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Thor.Rush
Sweden702 Posts
On April 21 2013 13:24 goswser wrote: People quickly forget that the majority of NA players capable of beating koreans were invited to the premier league, NA players aren't as bad as this may indicate. Same with EU though. | ||
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DiMano
Korea (South)2066 Posts
On April 21 2013 17:31 Orcasgt24 wrote: WCS is the stupidest thing ever. Regional based tourneys should be done by people in the region. It is cool for people in the region but I would never watch WCS NA without Koreans  | ||
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Kuni
Austria765 Posts
On April 21 2013 17:38 DiMano wrote: It is cool for people in the region but I would never watch WCS NA without Koreans There are enough people who would, so it's a win win. Some will only watch the Koreans, others would also watch WCS NA. | ||
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JJH777
United States4408 Posts
On April 21 2013 17:40 Kuni wrote: There are enough people who would, so it's a win win. Some will only watch the Koreans, others would also watch WCS NA. I doubt there are enough tbh. For purely NA players I can't picture anymore than 20-30k tuning in | ||
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Thor.Rush
Sweden702 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On April 21 2013 17:37 Noobity wrote: Don't put words in my mouth. I don't think all koreans look the same, I don't think they are soulless, I don't think they have no stories. I think they have few stories that I care about (some exceptions such as Flash/Life), I think I can't relate to them in many ways, I think they are not representing me. I think I have a right to believe what I believe, that a North American resident deserves a spot in a North American Qualifier. I mean at this point you might as well just have a single offline qualifier (GSL) and then an online qualifier that encompasses everyone else for all the good it would do. I also have a right to not be insulted here. I cannot conceivably believe you think it's OK to spout that shit. The sheer audacity you must have to imply that kind of thing about another person who in no way even hinted that he believed a race of people were "Soulless machines" is so mindblowing to me. Thread is yours, dude. Keep being that reason people are afraid to speak their minds and go against the vocal minority. I am not hostile nor do I attack you for no reason. There's a reason I am still around with over 14000 posts right? If I were an immature dick, I would have been banned long ago. You posted 'I tried jumping on the "only want to see the best games!" bandwagon but fuck, dudes, this shit is old. Give me a goddamned storyline I can get behind.' And I don't put any words in your mouth with saying that this basically states that Koreans don't have a storyline you could follow. I actually don't really know how you could say any Korean would have less story than a foreigner, because most rivalries arise from good players that meet often. I never said I want 100% Koreans in a tournament, I am saying I want fair competition and if it leads to majority being Korean and a few foreigners, those foreigners you can be proud of because they deserve and earned their spot. Are you really proud if someone like NonY would blast through the field with no competition to 'represent' you or NA for that matter in a big final? Did he earn his spot? Do you really want unfair competition? Because that is exactly what your statement is going towards. To even out qualifiers and Koreans, you got invites. Check out how many Koreans got one of the 24 seeds and check out how many non-Koreans (NA players) got them. Do you really think its fair that HelloKitty or Capoch are in over (lust as example) DemusliM or Apocalypse? The invite system alone is not fair, but I can understand that you invite locals over Koreans to not alienate the complete tournament, but really if you have qualifiers, please non-Koreans step up the game or don't complain. | ||
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Arnstein
Norway3381 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
I was enjoying these last days how Demuslim was really excited to play Byun several times in a row. Even though he lost a majority of the games, he did win some, and definitely improved his TvT imo. Plus, I watched those qualifiers and have had the chance to see some third-rate foreigners' games, which I wouldn't have done if not for the presence of good players (even if they're not american). It definitely brings more spotlight on NA locals. Another WCS NA finals wouldn't have done that, I don't care at all about a ZvZ finals between Vibe and I-don't-know-who-anymore (Scarlett?). For me, WCS is a success so far. NA qualifiers could have gone a bit smoother: filtering out maphackers earlier in the bracket, not letting Hyun waste his time trying to qualify where he isn't able to, and not so much downtime between games in the earlier rounds :D | ||
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Spidinko
Slovakia1174 Posts
I'm quite sad for WCS NA, though. It just doesn't have the story line. I'm happy for WCS EU. I'll finaly get to know EU scene better. | ||
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Germany4057 Posts
Looking forward to see who advances from the loser brackets | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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CarlosOmse
Germany507 Posts
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SayTT
Sweden2158 Posts
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Dingodile
4133 Posts
Koreans are the best to play in best quality. It is not koreans mistake, it is sc2 or blizzard mistake. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On April 21 2013 17:56 Dingodile wrote: sc2 has a main problem (what 95% of other rts game dont have): the higher the quality, the more boring games (except TvT). Koreans are the best to play in best quality. It is not koreans mistake, it is sc2 or blizzard mistake. Better games are less boring. Regardless of match up | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On April 21 2013 17:51 ZenithM wrote: One day I'll understand what "storylines" people are referring to. The only way I can buy " storylines " is if you're a high ranked player on NA and you know all the NA players, personally I know way more about Korean players on average. | ||
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Ponera
Canada596 Posts
On April 21 2013 17:55 CarlosOmse wrote: poor americans!! hopefully the start the offline shit erlier so the koreans have to fully commit to the na if they wanna steal their money nah just blame canada, but be warned: We are canadian, not retarded, it's different! What's kind of strange to me is comparing WCS to something like the NHL. If you could only present local players, Alberta, British Columbia, Quebec and Ontario would utterly dominate the NHL, leaving nothing much for places like Nashville or Los Angeles. With that in mind, perhaps there is a flaw with the invite system and indeed how they do their brackets? If you want to allow people from other regions to qualify, why not do a draft with captains and etc? Either way it'll be korean domination but it gives us a "team" to get behind that "represents" the region. | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
But the truth is that they are a far cry from the Korean level. Code A/B Koreans are already slaying all the NA pros. I don't see much hope though. Though I don't really mind since I want to see the best high level games anyway. It would be better if all the NA spots go to Koreans anyway. The better player gets the deserving spot. | ||
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mikkmagro
Malta1513 Posts
On April 21 2013 17:37 coverpunch wrote: I will argue to the contrary of what seems to be the consensus complaint, that Koreans playing in WCS NA is bad for NA players. In fact, I think being exposed to Korean competition is better for the NA scene in the long run. If NA pros want to stay top notch, the bar today was set by Alicia, TheSTC, Crank, and Oz. And honestly, if foreigners want to stand any chance at winning the whole thing, the real bar was set this last week in Code S by Roro, Taeja, Flash, Symbol, etc. I don't think it would be outrageous to say those Code S players are another level above the NA qualifiers today. Complaining that foreigners might stand a better chance or would have a better pro scene if they didn't know how high that bar is, IMO is ignorant. Sports is a meritocracy and fans ultimately want to see the highest quality of competition. Foreign players who want to get there should constantly be exposed to that level and pressure of play. It's just not that simple. With the way things are, it is simply not possible for North Americans to defeat Koreans, ever. Firstly, there is simply no way for a North American to sustain himself until he becomes good enough to compete at the levels of the players you mentioned. Most go to college, or have a job, and have to play after they get home from their daily commute. The Koreans you mentioned, are already well established. They don't need to sustain themselves, because they play for a team who gives them a house to live in, and food to eat. Furthermore, they're exposed to the best practice environment possible. They have lag free access to the best ladder in the world, they live in a house with top notch players from all the different races with whom they can practice, exchange strategies etc, and someone like Oz also gets a legendary coach (not to mention secondary coaches) to help them perfect their skills and make sure not to slack. Without a similar infrastructure, it is simply not possible for foreigners to catch up. Period. | ||
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HereBeDragons
1429 Posts
On April 21 2013 17:51 ZenithM wrote: One day I'll understand what "storylines" people are referring to. Is it a phone line you can call in to listen to stories? | ||
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