On February 27 2024 09:24 DarthPunk wrote: Just FYI, I am feeling really burned out after a marathon scum game on MS, so posting will likely be reduced etc, etc.
On February 27 2024 09:24 DarthPunk wrote: Just FYI, I am feeling really burned out after a marathon scum game on MS, so posting will likely be reduced etc, etc.
On March 04 2024 12:09 JacobStrangelove wrote: I can chat also around. This said I'm going to act as if you're never mafia (unless you paint yourself red and dance in the blood of your enemies in the street) as this does two things. it stops me from tunneling you to death and being scared of losing to you and saves my ego if you are mafia and win because I decided to not focus on you at the start.
0/10 you didn‘t write fanfic where DP sodomized himself
This will come at some point no doubt.... on a side note will probably vote for mayor someone I've played with before just because I don't trust my day one reads on anyone I don't know. (I don't trust my day one reads on anyone I know either tbh but ya know...)
Why are you so confident in your day 1 reads on people you do know?
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
On March 04 2024 12:09 JacobStrangelove wrote: I can chat also around. This said I'm going to act as if you're never mafia (unless you paint yourself red and dance in the blood of your enemies in the street) as this does two things. it stops me from tunneling you to death and being scared of losing to you and saves my ego if you are mafia and win because I decided to not focus on you at the start.
0/10 you didn‘t write fanfic where DP sodomized himself
This will come at some point no doubt.... on a side note will probably vote for mayor someone I've played with before just because I don't trust my day one reads on anyone I don't know. (I don't trust my day one reads on anyone I know either tbh but ya know...)
Why are you so confident in your day 1 reads on people you do know?
what kind of question is that. and that's not what he said.
On March 04 2024 12:21 JacobStrangelove wrote: @oats I'm not my reads only come good at like day 4 (in small games cause I suck) I might be better off with a randomiser until then.
Because he's a fisherman. Fishermen make the best Mayors.
This really just sounds like you want no part of actually playing the game
On March 04 2024 12:09 JacobStrangelove wrote: I can chat also around. This said I'm going to act as if you're never mafia (unless you paint yourself red and dance in the blood of your enemies in the street) as this does two things. it stops me from tunneling you to death and being scared of losing to you and saves my ego if you are mafia and win because I decided to not focus on you at the start.
0/10 you didn‘t write fanfic where DP sodomized himself
This will come at some point no doubt.... on a side note will probably vote for mayor someone I've played with before just because I don't trust my day one reads on anyone I don't know. (I don't trust my day one reads on anyone I know either tbh but ya know...)
Why are you so confident in your day 1 reads on people you do know?
what kind of question is that. and that's not what he said.
that’s literally what he said though?
No he just said he's more confident in reading people that he is played with before which is probally true of every player ever.
The way that he phrased his plan to vote was not at all like how you are describing it
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
This literally makes no sense
What about this is confusing you?
The voting is for the mayor firstly, so the 2nd top voter is the 2nd choice for mayor, secondly giving up your agency is super anti town
On March 04 2024 12:21 JacobStrangelove wrote: @oats I'm not my reads only come good at like day 4 (in small games cause I suck) I might be better off with a randomiser until then.
Because he's a fisherman. Fishermen make the best Mayors.
This really just sounds like you want no part of actually playing the game
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor
On March 04 2024 12:21 JacobStrangelove wrote: @oats I'm not my reads only come good at like day 4 (in small games cause I suck) I might be better off with a randomiser until then.
Because he's a fisherman. Fishermen make the best Mayors.
This really just sounds like you want no part of actually playing the game
On March 04 2024 12:27 Vivax wrote: MZ might have crumbed being traitor with his troll post tbh.
Oats drive behind him wanting to be mayor also a bit underwhelming and I thought that JS came across as scummy and Oats could have been more inquisitive.
I’m literally the only person asking him wtf is going on what are you talking about
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.
Where is your data that the second wagon is more likely scum
On March 04 2024 12:21 JacobStrangelove wrote: @oats I'm not my reads only come good at like day 4 (in small games cause I suck) I might be better off with a randomiser until then.
Because he's a fisherman. Fishermen make the best Mayors.
This really just sounds like you want no part of actually playing the game
Hey at least I'm reading your posts.
What are your thoughts so far?
I think I'm running into the same thing I run into every game where my highly flowing style is being taken (and I mean this with no offence) slightly autistically but I'm not worried about it yet because I don't think mafia is stupid enough to fight me early.
On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote: So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game
On March 04 2024 12:33 Oatsmaster wrote: Trefel do you want to be mayor?
Sorry I completely missed this somehow.
I wouldn't mind being mayor, I think one advantage of me theoretically being mayor is that I am generally obvious town. I think it's very dangerous to nominate someone like Holyflare as mayor, since he has an extremely terrifying scum game capability, and giving them the extra protection is dangerous. Unfortunately I'm pretty garbage as mafia, and I think someone with a bad scum game is a good choice for mayor.
However, I also am garbage at day 1's. Like DarthPunk, I don't think campaigning for mayor makes much sense, if people want to vote for me they can, I'm not going to worry too much about it.@DarthPunk, why don't you like Oatsmaster? I just read through his filter and it actually seems reasonable to me.
His lack of 'sharpness' compared to the last game we played together. He was really sharp in that game. Where as here he is not even aware of how the game works.
Bit disingenuous to say that I don’t know how the game works when it was a slight misreading of the op
On March 04 2024 13:05 DarthPunk wrote: DMB what is vivax's alignment?
EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS A SUSPECT RIGHT now. How the hell should i tell after one hour who could be tip top town (for this shit mayor thing) and mafia. He is nothing as player right now. But he was so mad at you for getting fooled by you on mafiascum that it´s just strange how give you this fucking early a townread. the hell i am thinking already of you and Vivax togther. But still to fucking early to make any decision on any aligment. I will take the first day do find a tip top town to vote as mayor because we always get the first lynch wrong anyways but thats how find the mafia later. I just don´t know what will happen if we lose the game because if mafia will fool us that this one person is maximum Town and best option for mayor. What happens if we vote mafia for mayor? we can not just lynch our mayor or can we still? Do you have any game with mayor I can read so I would better understand how importend that role is? Because I think mafia will act and play differnt as usuall on D1 just because of this.
This is actually a good point regarding vivax giving dp such an early town read
On March 04 2024 12:33 Oatsmaster wrote: Trefel do you want to be mayor?
Sorry I completely missed this somehow.
I wouldn't mind being mayor, I think one advantage of me theoretically being mayor is that I am generally obvious town. I think it's very dangerous to nominate someone like Holyflare as mayor, since he has an extremely terrifying scum game capability, and giving them the extra protection is dangerous. Unfortunately I'm pretty garbage as mafia, and I think someone with a bad scum game is a good choice for mayor.
However, I also am garbage at day 1's. Like DarthPunk, I don't think campaigning for mayor makes much sense, if people want to vote for me they can, I'm not going to worry too much about it.@DarthPunk, why don't you like Oatsmaster? I just read through his filter and it actually seems reasonable to me.
HF built up such a reputation that people are afraid of him becoming mayor in games he‘s not in now.
But seriously that‘s a really odd thing to say for Trfel. Just like most of this post honestly.
On March 04 2024 12:33 Oatsmaster wrote: Trefel do you want to be mayor?
Sorry I completely missed this somehow.
I wouldn't mind being mayor, I think one advantage of me theoretically being mayor is that I am generally obvious town. I think it's very dangerous to nominate someone like Holyflare as mayor, since he has an extremely terrifying scum game capability, and giving them the extra protection is dangerous. Unfortunately I'm pretty garbage as mafia, and I think someone with a bad scum game is a good choice for mayor.
However, I also am garbage at day 1's. Like DarthPunk, I don't think campaigning for mayor makes much sense, if people want to vote for me they can, I'm not going to worry too much about it.@DarthPunk, why don't you like Oatsmaster? I just read through his filter and it actually seems reasonable to me.
HF built up such a reputation that people are afraid of him becoming mayor in games he‘s not in now.
But seriously that‘s a really odd thing to say for Trfel. Just like most of this post honestly.
Elaborate please
Very floofy post with little substance and the anecdotal presence of HF as mayor that strikes me as struggling to find something worth talking about.
On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote: [quote]May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.
You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.
If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.
There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works.
On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord.
On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote: [quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.
You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.
If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.
There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works.
Good to have a variety of opinions eh
Explain this please
Clearly, people have had very different reactions to what they read M_Z as saying than I do!
Any further clarification required will be difficult as that will indicate I don't even understand your question.
Why is it good to have a variety of opinions in this game
On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote: [quote]I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.
You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.
If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.
There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works.
Good to have a variety of opinions eh
Explain this please
Clearly, people have had very different reactions to what they read M_Z as saying than I do!
Any further clarification required will be difficult as that will indicate I don't even understand your question.
Why is it good to have a variety of opinions in this game
On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote: [quote]You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.
If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.
There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works.
Good to have a variety of opinions eh
Explain this please
Clearly, people have had very different reactions to what they read M_Z as saying than I do!
Any further clarification required will be difficult as that will indicate I don't even understand your question.
Why is it good to have a variety of opinions in this game
You prefer everyone agreeing with the mafia?
How is that what I said? Just answer the question
If not that, then think deeply about the purpose of your question.
It is good to have a variety of opinions in the thread as this aids scum hunting.
Dude.
Come now.
Wisdom please.
That’s literally describing the game, why is it something you felt was important to point out when responding to trefels post
On March 04 2024 14:36 JacobStrangelove wrote: That's just for the mayor choosing who they're killing. All other votes are public.
But i want to see that too. Mafia will vote on the same scum person. Risk for having scum major is even higher
what are you talking about
At the some point we will discuss who we elect as mayor and of course there will also be a scum about what Town might choose. Mafia will discuss in the discord who has the best townreads up to that point and most likely has the best chances to be elected mayor. That's 5 votes on a scum person + probably one or two townies who might vote for that person. So the probability that the mayor is not tip top town but mafia is very high. And if the whole thing was public, not all 5 could vote for the same person because it would be too conspicuous
On March 04 2024 15:14 CopCake wrote: 🤭 This is so funny
Cake who would you lynch right now and who would you make mayor right now?
I would lynch you in a heartbeat
- when I arrived you didn't try to engage me until way later (i ignored your question to see how you would react to that and there was like literally not opinion of it when the last game we played we did the opposite) - you are generally a thread control person and you are confident of your reads, here you wait for the opinion of rayn just to tell him later he is wrong and cant read you? With a little bit of bragginess - Now you think Oats is right at reading me suspicious because ??????? He has like no idea how I play.
I also do not think you are trying to solve the game.
Cake why did I have to ask you for a read before you stated all this?
You asked me for reads before and I ignored them, in porpouse.
And I go to office soon and I have a meeting. And a lot of work since I was on vacation. So next time I will post will be in 10 hours or so.
And since I consider you might be mafia trying to hold on the thin - read - of oats to do something against me, I decided to act.
What exactly is “how you play” What is your read on me then?
On March 04 2024 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont think Cake is town? I think ytour points 1 and 2 dont make her mafia, which i was kind of arguing. I think your point 3 is alid and it actually can make her mafia.
Well you said my scum read on her was unreasonable so that kind of implied you thought she was town right?
No that doesn't mean that. It was more about my read on you rather than Cake's alignment.
What did it mean about that?
Im gonna answer this and then continue in the same post with other things.
If your read looks unreasonable to me, it might indicate you're mafia. Cake's alignment doesnt matter here at all since its not out of question you would make a shitty scumread even on your partner, just to back off from it later on. Its just that if you make a shitty read, that implicates you being mafia, regardless of the other person's alignment.
I take back my town read on Trfel, i thought i saw something there when i was reading the thread at work but re-reading now that something didn't actually exist. Trfel could very well be mafia.
I am still considering Slam mafia, and it's not a meta read. Sure at first it started as a meta read when he looked more serious and laid back than usual. That can be explained with his rl-situation. However, there should be simply no way he is considering me as his best vote for mayor at the moment. 1) I have openly stated he is my only scumread in the game at that point 2) DP makes points about Cake, Slam calls all of them good points. I disagree with 2/3 of those points, Slam STILL goes like "oh rayn makes very good point" -- both of those things can't be in his head, either DP's points are good or they are not in his opinion, yet he's saying they both are and they aren't. Furhtermore i don't in any case understand why he is making a list of who he is preferring as mayor in which order. He said before game he would want Hapa for mayor, why doesn't he even wait for Hapa to post while starting to campign "rayn for mayor" when it doesn't even make any sense for him to do so if he is town?
For the uninitiated, why can’t Slam do this as town?
I don't think he can't per se. I just think he wouldn't. Like let's be honest Slam is voting either Hapa, marv or rayn for mayor (unless he has to pick someone else), mostly Hapa.
I can't possibly understand why he makes posts like: "Liked trfel and now considering voting trfel for mayor" or "Second pick is VE, he has some decent logic on why he would lurker lynch."
Is he ever going to actually vote for either of those people for mayor? Especially VE for THAT reasoning? I just don't see the point of putting it like that. It's kind of a townread but still not really.
And i can't possibly understand why he wants me for mayor, why would you EVER want anyone for mayor who wants to lynch you??? Just because i agreed with 2 of his reads like 3 hours into the game?
On March 05 2024 00:12 iamperfection wrote: I have been thinking about the whisperer. There is no reason not to claim it immediately if your town no? I think so right? As in I am the whisperer and I whispered so and so.
Claim nearer to EoD I think is better, Definitely should claim it at some point before night though
On March 05 2024 00:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well.
I masoned marv.
There is not much in our chat, we've been brainstorming a little bit. Basically we both think sandroba is town and Vivax' push on him is not scummy, just wrong. That's pretty much all.
On March 05 2024 01:06 Koshi wrote: I am gonna battle rayn.
You don't think he is likely town?
I havent read anything yet from before I first posted. Masoning marv is leaning town. Marv gets good rep, marv isnt saying rayn is mafia. So probably I will have to battle town rayn.
On March 05 2024 04:05 Koshi wrote: [quote] I disagree for what it is worth. The guy who gets lynched as blue regulary now claims it to be mayor.
Press x for doubt
He didn't have any real pressure on him though
Does this not strengthen Koshi's point?
No how so.
Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax?
This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor.
If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor.
Where is my comprehension/logic problem?
He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta
Thank you, at least someone gets it.
How is this useful on the first day, tho?
I can understand third day but first?
Town loses everything, and an important role, I dont want to sound mean but you fucked up in such a way that there are no words and I didnt find it funny.
Like I am TOTALLY opposed of a mayor wanting to kill, like that is stupid, no matter how "capable" the player is, how "blue" is. It is a shot in the dark pretty much, and that helps mafia.
If there is a mayor, and the mayor kills on first and second day, I will pretty much never consider that person town.
Unless a rolecop have a check or something mechanical supports a person is mafia.
Why wouldn't a mayor not just treat it as a vig shot I don't understand?
I think day vig shots are stupid, there is more chance of hiting town than mafia.
Day vig is a really strong town role lmao what kinda take is this??
On March 04 2024 13:05 DarthPunk wrote: DMB what is vivax's alignment?
EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS A SUSPECT RIGHT now. How the hell should i tell after one hour who could be tip top town (for this shit mayor thing) and mafia. He is nothing as player right now. But he was so mad at you for getting fooled by you on mafiascum that it´s just strange how give you this fucking early a townread. the hell i am thinking already of you and Vivax togther. But still to fucking early to make any decision on any aligment. I will take the first day do find a tip top town to vote as mayor because we always get the first lynch wrong anyways but thats how find the mafia later. I just don´t know what will happen if we lose the game because if mafia will fool us that this one person is maximum Town and best option for mayor. What happens if we vote mafia for mayor? we can not just lynch our mayor or can we still? Do you have any game with mayor I can read so I would better understand how importend that role is? Because I think mafia will act and play differnt as usuall on D1 just because of this.
This is actually a good point regarding vivax giving dp such an early town read
It really isn't because if Vivax is mafia, he would abuse the fact he can't read DP town because he was fooled. So why would mafia!Vivax call town!DP town so early? Way better to shade him.
The post nly makes sense if mebaby tried to make a joke while jabbing Vivax a bit. Which is ok for me. But I am not sure that it was that.
On March 05 2024 05:53 Koshi wrote: So I am on page 36 and I am going to call marv mafia. and I am calling sandroba & rayn dummies for pushing the marv is town shit into this thread with literally nothing to back it up.
Fuck your shit.
town!marv is very capable to play this game and get mayor. He would be a good mayor and this game could be easy and fun.
The shit you 3 are doing is horrible and against town wincon. I also play against town wincon on purpose in previous games and marv was the one complaining and saying I shouldn't do it.
Well he is doing just that.
Now what mafia!marv would do this is an entire other story. And a very believable one.
I also dislike sandroba. I probably like rayn but not enough to say he is for sure not mafia. But ok. I can work with him most likely.
On March 05 2024 01:27 Trfel wrote: Raynpelikoneet, why do you think iamperfection is town?
I kinda think the opposite. He's been throwing side comments without getting involved or invested.
I think he is completely and utterly useless as mafia, and too lazy to form almost any reasonable trains of thoughts. I don't see it being like that here. Just look at the game that got cancelled last year for reference.
Hm, maybe.... I don't really know his meta but his play feels decently scummy here. I guess I can think more about this.
I lost track, what do you think about CopCake?
I read over what DarthPunk was saying, I don't think it holds much water but I also don't really know CopCake's meta so who knows.
Why are you implying my cake read was a meta case when it wasn't.
This said the Cop case def wasn't meta.
On March 05 2024 09:51 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:
On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:
On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: [quote] Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor
I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it
Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP
If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right
If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard
Does the rest of his play change anything?
No, what do you think of him?
I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better
This is a great post.
##vote: Oats
Not to make associations early but this would imply oats and CC are mafia together right? If so what's stronger the initial case that Cake is the mafia and oats is defending her or Oats being mafia and just flip flopping for no reason?
Still think it would make more sense from your perpsective to be voting cake.
I am not looking at it as an association.
I think this is scummy from oats independently of cakes alignment.
It’s scummy to scumread someone for fluff posting and retract it when they start playing the game. I see
On March 05 2024 01:27 Trfel wrote: Raynpelikoneet, why do you think iamperfection is town?
I kinda think the opposite. He's been throwing side comments without getting involved or invested.
I think he is completely and utterly useless as mafia, and too lazy to form almost any reasonable trains of thoughts. I don't see it being like that here. Just look at the game that got cancelled last year for reference.
Hm, maybe.... I don't really know his meta but his play feels decently scummy here. I guess I can think more about this.
I lost track, what do you think about CopCake?
I read over what DarthPunk was saying, I don't think it holds much water but I also don't really know CopCake's meta so who knows.
Why are you implying my cake read was a meta case when it wasn't.
This said the Cop case def wasn't meta.
On March 05 2024 09:51 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:
On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:
On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: [quote] I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor
I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it
Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP
If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right
If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard
Does the rest of his play change anything?
No, what do you think of him?
I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better
This is a great post.
##vote: Oats
Not to make associations early but this would imply oats and CC are mafia together right? If so what's stronger the initial case that Cake is the mafia and oats is defending her or Oats being mafia and just flip flopping for no reason?
Still think it would make more sense from your perpsective to be voting cake.
I am not looking at it as an association.
I think this is scummy from oats independently of cakes alignment.
It’s scummy to scumread someone for fluff posting and retract it when they start playing the game. I see
No, that is not what is scummy, but if you were already sus on Cake, it stands to reason that you might push her when she is looking as bad as its possible to look, but then you kind of unvote and drop her.
Doesn't make sense
If you want to prove you are town, just post smart things and find mafia, at the moment you are thoroughly meh.
I don’t think you understand the genesis of the read
On March 05 2024 02:32 iamperfection wrote: I'm inclined to think vivax has to be town. No scum claims like that. I strongly oppose any effort to make him mayor. He already has shown he willing to throw as town we aren't giving him power.
OK so you accept he's town but don't want a town mayor? He has one kill and then is a potentially confirmed townie who can't get NK'd? If you believe he's town it would be dumb not to make him mayor.
I don't think this is town aligned thinking, this is the kind of post scum would make who don't want a potentially confirmed town running around.
This is a softing scum read post, do you actually scum read iamp and why?
On March 05 2024 04:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Fuck no I’m not electing vivax He’s probably town though and he’ll self resolve
Like 4 people have said this now and I'm having a really hard time understanding people's reservations to have someone they believe is town as mayor, especially when that person has already offered the mayor kill to the town so the whole "vivax won't know who to kill" point is moot.
Killing the second top vote getter isn’t “offering the vote to town”. I’m also not sure why it’s a problem that I have other town reads? And there is also opportunity cost voting vivax
On March 05 2024 11:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Holy shit that took me like an hour and a half. The person who stood out the worst to me during the readthrough was copcake. I am also going to look at everyone who said "vivax town but I'm not voting him for reasons blah blah blah"
Sandroba probably my strongest townread at the moment aside from Vivax.
Sandroba literally said what you looking at people for what??
On March 05 2024 05:56 Rels wrote: I will be gone for the next few hours. die_meatbaby when I'm back this evening I would be ecstatic if I find a list post from you, or even who is your biggest scumread and why
Rels this is such a hard post to make this early of a game and my opinions will for sure change but for right now this what I think of the players and I know everytime I make a list post people call me scum but as I want to make a favor for a french guy for once in a lifetime here you go…
Good Town Me 🙂 Vivax I know the claim was unnecessary if he has no PR. But I would say for sure never what he make such scummy slightly stupid thing as mafia. Too obvious, too high for his mafia meta. Maybe he is just a Townie but I totally understand why he did such a thing. He has trust issues and paranoia with this things you wouldn´t trust on anybody else to vote as a major. But he knows his alignment and it is for sure safer option to have as a major then anybody else right now! I hope he is blue, if not he is at least Town. And you guys know I would lynch him directly if he looks scummy to me. Did it as Town and as Mafia but right now I don´t see any reason to lynch him because he wouldn´t play like this as mafia
Town Rels he only has a 2 page filter but he asks very good questions and really tries to help Town. At least that's how it looks to me for now. Could change quickly of course
Sandroba has the same energie as in the last game. Safe for now.
Less Town but would have a chance to get Townish Koshi Didn´t like his inactivity at the start of the game. I know him way more active and aggressiv as Town.
DP
Trfl
IAP
Slightly scummy JSL
My Dear CC I am sorry but you disappointed me at the teaparty
JustanotherTownie justanotherscum
Marv No Town Marv behavier found
Mafia Oatsmaster Seems like he just asks a stupid questions and not trying to help us.
On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote: [quote] Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax?
This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor.
If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor.
Where is my comprehension/logic problem?
He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta
Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town?
Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town.
Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process.
No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor.
They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection.
It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain.
I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you....
I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2).
So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough
Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)?
The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv.
you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not.
that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that.
I actually called him a really good mafia player here and his reaction is definitely not townish. No category Slam illegible god of the game MZ useless (for me rn) VE I'm sorry but I can't judge you, that would be the same as a doctor measuring the heartbeat of a coked-up guy. The result will probably be wrong
Just WTF TotheStars I mean his filter looks worse then the history of my country
On March 05 2024 05:56 Rels wrote: I will be gone for the next few hours. die_meatbaby when I'm back this evening I would be ecstatic if I find a list post from you, or even who is your biggest scumread and why
Rels this is such a hard post to make this early of a game and my opinions will for sure change but for right now this what I think of the players and I know everytime I make a list post people call me scum but as I want to make a favor for a french guy for once in a lifetime here you go…
Good Town Me 🙂 Vivax I know the claim was unnecessary if he has no PR. But I would say for sure never what he make such scummy slightly stupid thing as mafia. Too obvious, too high for his mafia meta. Maybe he is just a Townie but I totally understand why he did such a thing. He has trust issues and paranoia with this things you wouldn´t trust on anybody else to vote as a major. But he knows his alignment and it is for sure safer option to have as a major then anybody else right now! I hope he is blue, if not he is at least Town. And you guys know I would lynch him directly if he looks scummy to me. Did it as Town and as Mafia but right now I don´t see any reason to lynch him because he wouldn´t play like this as mafia
Town Rels he only has a 2 page filter but he asks very good questions and really tries to help Town. At least that's how it looks to me for now. Could change quickly of course
Sandroba has the same energie as in the last game. Safe for now.
Less Town but would have a chance to get Townish Koshi Didn´t like his inactivity at the start of the game. I know him way more active and aggressiv as Town.
DP
Trfl
IAP
Slightly scummy JSL
My Dear CC I am sorry but you disappointed me at the teaparty
JustanotherTownie justanotherscum
Marv No Town Marv behavier found
Mafia Oatsmaster Seems like he just asks a stupid questions and not trying to help us.
Rayn
On March 05 2024 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:
On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:
On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town?
Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town.
Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process.
No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor.
They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection.
It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain.
I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you....
I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2).
So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough
Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)?
The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv.
you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not.
that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that.
I actually called him a really good mafia player here and his reaction is definitely not townish. No category Slam illegible god of the game MZ useless (for me rn) VE I'm sorry but I can't judge you, that would be the same as a doctor measuring the heartbeat of a coked-up guy. The result will probably be wrong
Just WTF TotheStars I mean his filter looks worse then the history of my country
Not playing jealous Hapahauli
This is just OMGUS
OMG you're right everyone vote Die baby she made a list post must be scum. xD *your fears are coming true*
I think apart from extreme paranoia about list posting die baby seems to be making town like actions consistant with her meta.
On March 05 2024 11:56 JacobStrangelove wrote: Not to hard buddy DP more than I already have but wtf iamperf?
That makes perfect sense from town dp? Do you think Scum dp will be like yes we should have a random pile of people some of who are my scum buddies likely then leave it up to chance? He's far to control freak for that.
But acknowledging that mafia will likely be able to focus on a not town with statistical chance and a little influence picking a group we dislike and randomly removing one based on "as confirmed town as practical" vivax makes for a higher shot we actually hit a mafia as they can't control the hit as well while still being town choosing.
On a side note think I'm finally convinced to mayor Vivax assuming we go by this plan.
On March 05 2024 13:46 iamperfection wrote: I have no idea what to make of DP voting me.
I have explained several times i dont want someone who already acted like an idiot to get the hands on a lynch. Say he does something stupid again what we have to just say oh well guess we just have to live with that hes "confirmed".
I have already said before that i think rayn is extremely likely to be town. I don’t think my logic is wrong. It would be insane to go as mafia to marv. Yes there is a tiny chance they are mafia together but I don’t think that is worth entertaining. I feel like only a few people have looked at this point and some have ignored it and im not sure why. He is one of the few ppl I think in the game with the balls to do it as mafia but I don’t think its likely. I have had some doubts about this but the more i think about i reach the same conclusion over and over again i don't think im wrong.
Why wouldn’t they do this as mafia? It’s not a commitment
On March 05 2024 13:46 iamperfection wrote: I have no idea what to make of DP voting me.
I have explained several times i dont want someone who already acted like an idiot to get the hands on a lynch. Say he does something stupid again what we have to just say oh well guess we just have to live with that hes "confirmed".
I have already said before that i think rayn is extremely likely to be town. I don’t think my logic is wrong. It would be insane to go as mafia to marv. Yes there is a tiny chance they are mafia together but I don’t think that is worth entertaining. I feel like only a few people have looked at this point and some have ignored it and im not sure why. He is one of the few ppl I think in the game with the balls to do it as mafia but I don’t think its likely. I have had some doubts about this but the more i think about i reach the same conclusion over and over again i don't think im wrong.
Why wouldn’t they do this as mafia? It’s not a commitment
what do you mean
The whisper ends at the end of the day and they aren’t obligated to whisper again, it’s not like a role.
I do agree that either both are mafia or rayn is town, I don’t think he does that as mafia rayn to town marv
On March 05 2024 13:46 iamperfection wrote: I have no idea what to make of DP voting me.
I have explained several times i dont want someone who already acted like an idiot to get the hands on a lynch. Say he does something stupid again what we have to just say oh well guess we just have to live with that hes "confirmed".
I have already said before that i think rayn is extremely likely to be town. I don’t think my logic is wrong. It would be insane to go as mafia to marv. Yes there is a tiny chance they are mafia together but I don’t think that is worth entertaining. I feel like only a few people have looked at this point and some have ignored it and im not sure why. He is one of the few ppl I think in the game with the balls to do it as mafia but I don’t think its likely. I have had some doubts about this but the more i think about i reach the same conclusion over and over again i don't think im wrong.
Why wouldn’t they do this as mafia? It’s not a commitment
what do you mean
The whisper ends at the end of the day and they aren’t obligated to whisper again, it’s not like a role.
I do agree that either both are mafia or rayn is town, I don’t think he does that as mafia rayn to town marv
so you agree with me i dont get what your getting at.
I think there’s a significant chance that they are mafia together what the fuck is happening???
On March 05 2024 13:46 iamperfection wrote: I have no idea what to make of DP voting me.
I have explained several times i dont want someone who already acted like an idiot to get the hands on a lynch. Say he does something stupid again what we have to just say oh well guess we just have to live with that hes "confirmed".
I have already said before that i think rayn is extremely likely to be town. I don’t think my logic is wrong. It would be insane to go as mafia to marv. Yes there is a tiny chance they are mafia together but I don’t think that is worth entertaining. I feel like only a few people have looked at this point and some have ignored it and im not sure why. He is one of the few ppl I think in the game with the balls to do it as mafia but I don’t think its likely. I have had some doubts about this but the more i think about i reach the same conclusion over and over again i don't think im wrong.
Why wouldn’t they do this as mafia? It’s not a commitment
what do you mean
The whisper ends at the end of the day and they aren’t obligated to whisper again, it’s not like a role.
I do agree that either both are mafia or rayn is town, I don’t think he does that as mafia rayn to town marv
so you agree with me i dont get what your getting at.
I think there’s a significant chance that they are mafia together what the fuck is happening???
Really? i don't think that's likely.
It’s like we are two hamsters running on the treadmill
On March 05 2024 14:42 JacobStrangelove wrote: I have to admit the game is much nicer assuming DP is town until like day 3. But also he does seem to be playing the same as I last remember him play town. I was starting to get worried that he wasn't being paranoid enough on his end but he fixed that as well so...
Are you mafia Jake?
I am not mafia and I'll go as far to be more specific and claim not traitor.
Why was traitor on your mind enough to say it? Seems very odd
On March 05 2024 14:42 JacobStrangelove wrote: I have to admit the game is much nicer assuming DP is town until like day 3. But also he does seem to be playing the same as I last remember him play town. I was starting to get worried that he wasn't being paranoid enough on his end but he fixed that as well so...
Are you mafia Jake?
I am not mafia and I'll go as far to be more specific and claim not traitor.
Why was traitor on your mind enough to say it? Seems very odd
You can't just say "no" to DP he'll be too paranoid about that and take it as a challenge
On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote: So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about.
Oatsmaster
Both initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this:
On March 04 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote: I’m running for mayor
Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing.
On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote: Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town.
Hi again, not a big fan of you not pushing to be mayor, what gives?
I don't think pushing for it actually does anything.
You don’t seem to even want to be mayor
There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor".
It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything.
VisceraEyes
Part of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read.
But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him.
Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good.
On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote: People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game.
I have zero interest in lynching VE today.
DMB
So I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point.
On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 05 2024 06:13 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2024 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 05 2024 06:10 Palmar wrote: Good morning, I see we're up to a casual 60+ pages.
Where did you wake up from???
It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about?
Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM
She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game.
She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though.
But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed.
Sorry for not having you in my list post. You had like one page on you Filter. You came in the game after like 60 Pages or something. You posted some good one liners that i actually liked. Especially that one that either people should vote Vivax for mayjor or for lynch. That one made think a litte bit about the other players here. I understand that people think the claim is a scum move but why do they not lynch him when they are not voting him as mayjor either? Still it was to less posting from you to make any kind of opinions on your aligment. I can just say I was not suspicious about your few posts just kinda liked them. Atm you are more likely Town for me, but beware, this can change quickly
Out of all the posts in the past like 12 hours DMB chooses this one to respond to, fence sits and doesn’t apply any of the bolded section to her list post earlier so where does that thinking even come out?
On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote: So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about.
Oatsmaster
Both initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this:
On March 04 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote: I’m running for mayor
Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing.
On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote: Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town.
Hi again, not a big fan of you not pushing to be mayor, what gives?
I don't think pushing for it actually does anything.
You don’t seem to even want to be mayor
There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor".
It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything.
VisceraEyes
Part of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read.
But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him.
Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good.
On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote: People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game.
I have zero interest in lynching VE today.
DMB
So I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point.
On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 05 2024 06:13 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2024 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 05 2024 06:10 Palmar wrote: Good morning, I see we're up to a casual 60+ pages.
Where did you wake up from???
It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about?
Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM
She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game.
She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though.
But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed.
Sorry for not having you in my list post. You had like one page on you Filter. You came in the game after like 60 Pages or something. You posted some good one liners that i actually liked. Especially that one that either people should vote Vivax for mayjor or for lynch. That one made think a litte bit about the other players here. I understand that people think the claim is a scum move but why do they not lynch him when they are not voting him as mayjor either? Still it was to less posting from you to make any kind of opinions on your aligment. I can just say I was not suspicious about your few posts just kinda liked them. Atm you are more likely Town for me, but beware, this can change quickly
Out of all the posts in the past like 12 hours DMB chooses this one to respond to, fence sits and doesn’t apply any of the bolded section to her list post earlier so where does that thinking even come out?
Normaly i have day off, but somebody is sick and I had to come in fast. Didn't have much time to read. Btw list Was requested by rels. No answer from him atm
I’m trying to wrap my head around this Palmar push by marv and what it means for marvs alignment. I think Palmar has been way more townie this last like 5 pages and that only seems to solidify marvs read
On March 05 2024 23:13 Vivax wrote: I think rayn has a decent chance to flip mafia by the way. Cop says he can't be because he'd be angrier but there's nothing that says he isn't simply more restrained in this game.
I'm moving cop out of the mafia pool just because of what Koshi said about her and good intentions. I still think she was struggling back then and took way too long to join the chorus calling my claim awful.
Iamperfection has dropped off a lot and looks a lot like Oats at this point. I just don't see any motivation to find the right lynch here. Erratic play. I believe Oats still didn't deliver an estimation of marv and Sandroba like I asked.
I don't want to lynch Palmar. I think marv is doing jack shit, and he didn't try to run for mayor for it. The Palmar vote was his first meaningful contribution, and everyone treated it like some high priest tossed a piece of metal from a pyramid and they went wild chasing it while screeching like a bunch of teenies at a rock concert.
I also think marv is kinda avoidant of DP and I know that marv has to fear DP if he's mafia. Him masoning Sandoba over DP is bad and might explain DPs lower effort.
MZ, Rels reasonable and pro-town all around but also a bit synthetic and lacking emotion for now. Not on the table for D1 I think and they have shown that they know what it takes to not lose to a casino.
DMB I think town. I liked most of the placements in her list and she had a golden opportunity to fall into her meta of antagonizing me just for fun and blending in with others doing so. I don't think she'd want a JK as mayor as mafia either.
That's about it for now. Otherwise:
Hapa joined discord and didn't post at all so I think it's due we make him the main secondary wagon that I can kill but I also need town's consent for it. Jealous works too, just make it visible please.
On March 06 2024 01:29 CopCake wrote: Like, I dont understand why is it so bad to question Vivax claim.
I have the right to do it if I wanted to.
Okay so outside of the claim, how is vivax mafia
The claim itself is just stupid, how he wants tfrel dead considering the last game, I dont think he is scumhunting
His reads
On March 05 2024 23:13 Vivax wrote: I think rayn has a decent chance to flip mafia by the way. Cop says he can't be because he'd be angrier but there's nothing that says he isn't simply more restrained in this game.
I'm moving cop out of the mafia pool just because of what Koshi said about her and good intentions. I still think she was struggling back then and took way too long to join the chorus calling my claim awful.
Iamperfection has dropped off a lot and looks a lot like Oats at this point. I just don't see any motivation to find the right lynch here. Erratic play. I believe Oats still didn't deliver an estimation of marv and Sandroba like I asked.
I don't want to lynch Palmar. I think marv is doing jack shit, and he didn't try to run for mayor for it. The Palmar vote was his first meaningful contribution, and everyone treated it like some high priest tossed a piece of metal from a pyramid and they went wild chasing it while screeching like a bunch of teenies at a rock concert.
I also think marv is kinda avoidant of DP and I know that marv has to fear DP if he's mafia. Him masoning Sandoba over DP is bad and might explain DPs lower effort.
MZ, Rels reasonable and pro-town all around but also a bit synthetic and lacking emotion for now. Not on the table for D1 I think and they have shown that they know what it takes to not lose to a casino.
DMB I think town. I liked most of the placements in her list and she had a golden opportunity to fall into her meta of antagonizing me just for fun and blending in with others doing so. I don't think she'd want a JK as mayor as mafia either.
That's about it for now. Otherwise:
Hapa joined discord and didn't post at all so I think it's due we make him the main secondary wagon that I can kill but I also need town's consent for it. Jealous works too, just make it visible please.
and an hour later
On March 06 2024 00:10 Vivax wrote: Slam, iamp, TTS, Hapa
Man this game is easy
read progressions are not ok
Out of curiosity, have you played with vivax before? And secondly, have you read the game you linked earlier?
Yeah, I have played with Vivax and yeah, that is why I said Tfrel MVP there.
So with what you linked, how is that not typical vivax? He literally does that that’s vivax
On March 06 2024 01:29 CopCake wrote: Like, I dont understand why is it so bad to question Vivax claim.
I have the right to do it if I wanted to.
Okay so outside of the claim, how is vivax mafia
The claim itself is just stupid, how he wants tfrel dead considering the last game, I dont think he is scumhunting
His reads
On March 05 2024 23:13 Vivax wrote: I think rayn has a decent chance to flip mafia by the way. Cop says he can't be because he'd be angrier but there's nothing that says he isn't simply more restrained in this game.
I'm moving cop out of the mafia pool just because of what Koshi said about her and good intentions. I still think she was struggling back then and took way too long to join the chorus calling my claim awful.
Iamperfection has dropped off a lot and looks a lot like Oats at this point. I just don't see any motivation to find the right lynch here. Erratic play. I believe Oats still didn't deliver an estimation of marv and Sandroba like I asked.
I don't want to lynch Palmar. I think marv is doing jack shit, and he didn't try to run for mayor for it. The Palmar vote was his first meaningful contribution, and everyone treated it like some high priest tossed a piece of metal from a pyramid and they went wild chasing it while screeching like a bunch of teenies at a rock concert.
I also think marv is kinda avoidant of DP and I know that marv has to fear DP if he's mafia. Him masoning Sandoba over DP is bad and might explain DPs lower effort.
MZ, Rels reasonable and pro-town all around but also a bit synthetic and lacking emotion for now. Not on the table for D1 I think and they have shown that they know what it takes to not lose to a casino.
DMB I think town. I liked most of the placements in her list and she had a golden opportunity to fall into her meta of antagonizing me just for fun and blending in with others doing so. I don't think she'd want a JK as mayor as mafia either.
That's about it for now. Otherwise:
Hapa joined discord and didn't post at all so I think it's due we make him the main secondary wagon that I can kill but I also need town's consent for it. Jealous works too, just make it visible please.
and an hour later
On March 06 2024 00:10 Vivax wrote: Slam, iamp, TTS, Hapa
Man this game is easy
read progressions are not ok
Out of curiosity, have you played with vivax before? And secondly, have you read the game you linked earlier?
Yeah, I have played with Vivax and yeah, that is why I said Tfrel MVP there.
So with what you linked, how is that not typical vivax? He literally does that that’s vivax
I do not understand his claim, when he knows he might suffer the danger of getting misslynched anyways because the claim is just so bad to be true. Which makes me believe that he could be mafia with at least two big names.
I want to rule out that probability, as easy as that.
Yes you said this already. The question I’m asking is if you think he’s mafia then there has to be things other than the claim that he’s doing that’s scummy
On March 05 2024 23:13 Palmar wrote: JAT looks pretty bad. He has said pretty much nothing about me except that comment about not agreeing with my logic on how Vivax needs to be treated, which isn't alignment indicative.
And he's trying to kill me.
And his filter is shorter than mine so he can't even claim lurker lynch
Well, I think it should be obvious that I am 100 % sheeping right now to see where this goes. I don't have a reason of my own except for the lack of reasons to townread you.
On March 05 2024 17:05 marvellosity wrote: Iamp, i take back my criticism of your VE vote. I’m not convinced but I don’t think it’s bad.
As I’m not gonna be here, doing this to make life easier.
##mayor: Vivax
Do you really think that's the play here? Or are you just being lazy? I think mafia is super happy with Vivax being the guy they cannot shoot instead of someone who can actually lead lynches on them. People here put too much stock in roles and not enough in playing the game imo. But I would expect you not to.
I would much prefer you being obv town and going for mayor.
Yes and yes Jat, to be brutally honest.
To an extent it’s a thread cleanup exercise. It’s clear that the mayor shouting is a horrible distraction. If we just vote for Vivax mafia can’t hide behind that anymore.
Clearly it wasn’t my first choice originally but i feel it’s just the right thing to do here.
Well, I disagree and I will stand by that. The mayor thing is at least as important as the lynch today and you guys are currently wasting the opportunity to make a town leader unkillable. But I have said my part. Guess it is Vivax time to shine if he is town.
How is the situation being wasted in your perspective? Vivax is currently the runaway leader to be mayor
On March 06 2024 01:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I’m trying to wrap my head around this Palmar push by marv and what it means for marvs alignment. I think Palmar has been way more townie this last like 5 pages and that only seems to solidify marvs read
So you do get my case!
In all seriousness. Nothing Palmar has posted couldn’t have been posted by any other 10 random players.
And he is unique If nothing else. Tbh I have been very clear why I think he is mafia.
He’s not funny His reads aren’t interesting He’s not calling me bad
Seems like the last bit is the bit that’s the most important to you
On March 05 2024 23:13 Palmar wrote: JAT looks pretty bad. He has said pretty much nothing about me except that comment about not agreeing with my logic on how Vivax needs to be treated, which isn't alignment indicative.
And he's trying to kill me.
And his filter is shorter than mine so he can't even claim lurker lynch
Well, I think it should be obvious that I am 100 % sheeping right now to see where this goes. I don't have a reason of my own except for the lack of reasons to townread you.
So call me town baby
For what?
On March 05 2024 23:41 marvellosity wrote:
On March 05 2024 19:00 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 05 2024 17:05 marvellosity wrote: Iamp, i take back my criticism of your VE vote. I’m not convinced but I don’t think it’s bad.
As I’m not gonna be here, doing this to make life easier.
##mayor: Vivax
Do you really think that's the play here? Or are you just being lazy? I think mafia is super happy with Vivax being the guy they cannot shoot instead of someone who can actually lead lynches on them. People here put too much stock in roles and not enough in playing the game imo. But I would expect you not to.
I would much prefer you being obv town and going for mayor.
Yes and yes Jat, to be brutally honest.
To an extent it’s a thread cleanup exercise. It’s clear that the mayor shouting is a horrible distraction. If we just vote for Vivax mafia can’t hide behind that anymore.
Clearly it wasn’t my first choice originally but i feel it’s just the right thing to do here.
Well, I disagree and I will stand by that. The mayor thing is at least as important as the lynch today and you guys are currently wasting the opportunity to make a town leader unkillable. But I have said my part. Guess it is Vivax time to shine if he is town.
How is the situation being wasted in your perspective? Vivax is currently the runaway leader to be mayor
Did you not read any of my other posts about this subject?
Not really sure how they are relevant to the question I’m asking, answer the question
On March 06 2024 01:29 CopCake wrote: Like, I dont understand why is it so bad to question Vivax claim.
I have the right to do it if I wanted to.
Okay so outside of the claim, how is vivax mafia
The claim itself is just stupid, how he wants tfrel dead considering the last game, I dont think he is scumhunting
His reads
On March 05 2024 23:13 Vivax wrote: I think rayn has a decent chance to flip mafia by the way. Cop says he can't be because he'd be angrier but there's nothing that says he isn't simply more restrained in this game.
I'm moving cop out of the mafia pool just because of what Koshi said about her and good intentions. I still think she was struggling back then and took way too long to join the chorus calling my claim awful.
Iamperfection has dropped off a lot and looks a lot like Oats at this point. I just don't see any motivation to find the right lynch here. Erratic play. I believe Oats still didn't deliver an estimation of marv and Sandroba like I asked.
I don't want to lynch Palmar. I think marv is doing jack shit, and he didn't try to run for mayor for it. The Palmar vote was his first meaningful contribution, and everyone treated it like some high priest tossed a piece of metal from a pyramid and they went wild chasing it while screeching like a bunch of teenies at a rock concert.
I also think marv is kinda avoidant of DP and I know that marv has to fear DP if he's mafia. Him masoning Sandoba over DP is bad and might explain DPs lower effort.
MZ, Rels reasonable and pro-town all around but also a bit synthetic and lacking emotion for now. Not on the table for D1 I think and they have shown that they know what it takes to not lose to a casino.
DMB I think town. I liked most of the placements in her list and she had a golden opportunity to fall into her meta of antagonizing me just for fun and blending in with others doing so. I don't think she'd want a JK as mayor as mafia either.
That's about it for now. Otherwise:
Hapa joined discord and didn't post at all so I think it's due we make him the main secondary wagon that I can kill but I also need town's consent for it. Jealous works too, just make it visible please.
and an hour later
On March 06 2024 00:10 Vivax wrote: Slam, iamp, TTS, Hapa
Man this game is easy
read progressions are not ok
Out of curiosity, have you played with vivax before? And secondly, have you read the game you linked earlier?
Yeah, I have played with Vivax and yeah, that is why I said Tfrel MVP there.
So with what you linked, how is that not typical vivax? He literally does that that’s vivax
I do not understand his claim, when he knows he might suffer the danger of getting misslynched anyways because the claim is just so bad to be true. Which makes me believe that he could be mafia with at least two big names.
I want to rule out that probability, as easy as that.
Yes you said this already. The question I’m asking is if you think he’s mafia then there has to be things other than the claim that he’s doing that’s scummy
How many times has vivax said he wants tfrel dead?
On March 05 2024 23:13 Palmar wrote: JAT looks pretty bad. He has said pretty much nothing about me except that comment about not agreeing with my logic on how Vivax needs to be treated, which isn't alignment indicative.
And he's trying to kill me.
And his filter is shorter than mine so he can't even claim lurker lynch
Well, I think it should be obvious that I am 100 % sheeping right now to see where this goes. I don't have a reason of my own except for the lack of reasons to townread you.
So call me town baby
For what?
On March 05 2024 23:41 marvellosity wrote:
On March 05 2024 19:00 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 05 2024 17:05 marvellosity wrote: Iamp, i take back my criticism of your VE vote. I’m not convinced but I don’t think it’s bad.
As I’m not gonna be here, doing this to make life easier.
##mayor: Vivax
Do you really think that's the play here? Or are you just being lazy? I think mafia is super happy with Vivax being the guy they cannot shoot instead of someone who can actually lead lynches on them. People here put too much stock in roles and not enough in playing the game imo. But I would expect you not to.
I would much prefer you being obv town and going for mayor.
Yes and yes Jat, to be brutally honest.
To an extent it’s a thread cleanup exercise. It’s clear that the mayor shouting is a horrible distraction. If we just vote for Vivax mafia can’t hide behind that anymore.
Clearly it wasn’t my first choice originally but i feel it’s just the right thing to do here.
Well, I disagree and I will stand by that. The mayor thing is at least as important as the lynch today and you guys are currently wasting the opportunity to make a town leader unkillable. But I have said my part. Guess it is Vivax time to shine if he is town.
How is the situation being wasted in your perspective? Vivax is currently the runaway leader to be mayor
Did you not read any of my other posts about this subject?
Not really sure how they are relevant to the question I’m asking, answer the question
They are very important since it is more or less impossible that you read them without taking away that I think Vivax as mayor is a bad choice. How can you be interested in this topic without knowing this?
Not really sure why you phrased the earlier post the way you did but okay. I’m also not a fan of how you vaguely referred to “town leader” instead of a specific person, that feels very unnatural
On March 06 2024 01:30 Oatsmaster wrote: Nobody wants to talk to me or what
I made a towncase on you
Thanks bestie But that’s talking about me not to me smh. Talk to me about marv pls
Not much to say. He decided to hide part 1. He then came out and voted palmar which was at that time a good vote. He forced palmar to do things and put himself open to be attacked by a town Palmar. The reasons why marv finds Palmar mafia are his own. I can't relate as much. But like I said, Palmar very lazily piled onto you and he should have done better there. Can't be a lurker, get called out by marv, and then be lazy in the 5 serious posts you try to make.
So he was ok because the vote he made, then became more than ok after Palmar failed to deliver.
@cake so if I’m understanding what you are saying, you think trefel is mafia with vivax then? Why else would he, in your perspective, not want to start a wagon on trefel
On March 06 2024 02:36 Oatsmaster wrote: @cake so if I’m understanding what you are saying, you think trefel is mafia with vivax then? Why else would he, in your perspective, not want to start a wagon on trefel
No, I dont understand why is not voting his scum read.
He claims because he doesnt want to start a wagon of someone who wont get lynched.
But he starts one on you so I guess he thinks you are more lynchable.
On March 06 2024 02:36 Oatsmaster wrote: @cake so if I’m understanding what you are saying, you think trefel is mafia with vivax then? Why else would he, in your perspective, not want to start a wagon on trefel
No, I dont understand why is not voting his scum read.
He claims because he doesnt want to start a wagon of someone who wont get lynched.
But he starts one on you so I guess he thinks you are more lynchable.
What’s the mafia motivation? I don’t see the link
He is talking a lot of “why are you white knighting Tfrel”, “I think Tfrel is mafia” “I wont vote Tfrel coz to lazy to start a wagon of someone who wont be lynched” but started a wagon on you Oats.
Yes you’ve literally described the situation 5 times but failed to mention how that makes him mafia
On March 06 2024 03:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Thoughts on DMB Iamp?
I don't think scum. Dmbs posts in that game I obser gave me scum goosebumps like the entire game and everyone called me dumb there and I was right. More gut then anything I can rationalize I do think posting that list at that time just because 1 person asked is more likely to come from town in the timing it did.
No thoughts about the content of the list at all?
Mafia tend to be hyper focused on what people ask so it’s not surprising to me that she did that
On March 06 2024 00:34 Jealous wrote: Hi, vanilla town reporting. After losing yesterday to being ill, I'm going to be catching up over the next few hours. Will share any thoughts/reads I have as I do so. Thanks for being patient!
On March 06 2024 00:34 Jealous wrote: Hi, vanilla town reporting. After losing yesterday to being ill, I'm going to be catching up over the next few hours. Will share any thoughts/reads I have as I do so. Thanks for being patient!
The old 24 hour flu I hear that's going around
the one that happens to start on the first day after seeing some red?
More like alcohol poisoning after hanging out with an old friend all Sunday, combined with ramen that was way too spicy. Practically had an out-of-body experience.
But, don't want to distract current ongoing discussion too much; I'm up to page 30 and am finding it interesting that some of the people who were being discussed the most back then are now seemingly not being brought up as much, so it's going to be interesting to review how discourse evolved here. Trying to keep an open mind as I catch up so I'll post my reads once I do so.
On March 06 2024 05:22 Vivax wrote: I'm untownreading sandroba upon review.
I think he's too okay with Palmar dying while voting elsewhere and JAT his main scumread is maybe superficially scummy and the ideal target a scum would latch onto.
Plus he called my posts shallow and generally looks like he's just dragging himself along.
Are you factoring in a mason chat into the math? Like, I can see town Sand just kinda dragging in the thread if he's focusing activity in a mason chat. Not defending him per se, but I also disagree that jat an easy target, like me he can turn it on if he has to.
He got masoned though in my understanding. If Palmar is scum here I see a lazy ass attempt from him to start a CW.
Like I don't get otherwise why 1. He's not voting with marv here. 2. He's just letting Palmar die without having a real read on him while Palmar is voting with him.
JAT just talked about the claim mostly that's true but then he could accuse cop of doing the same thing at times. He's also not factoring it that JAT has it out personally for me so he doesn't want me to be mayor which gives him a town motivation to do so.
I really don't "have it out personally for you". I just don't think your play warrants an election as mayor.
Me and DP laid it out already why it's beneficial to have a JK as mayor. For scum it's like having a clock ticking against them to fight.
If you make a VT mayor they don't even give a damn about killing the mayor. With me as mayor you force them to look for BGs.
If I agree with sandro wanting to kill you it's because you can't see this.
On March 06 2024 05:22 Vivax wrote: I'm untownreading sandroba upon review.
I think he's too okay with Palmar dying while voting elsewhere and JAT his main scumread is maybe superficially scummy and the ideal target a scum would latch onto.
Plus he called my posts shallow and generally looks like he's just dragging himself along.
Are you factoring in a mason chat into the math? Like, I can see town Sand just kinda dragging in the thread if he's focusing activity in a mason chat. Not defending him per se, but I also disagree that jat an easy target, like me he can turn it on if he has to.
He got masoned though in my understanding. If Palmar is scum here I see a lazy ass attempt from him to start a CW.
Like I don't get otherwise why 1. He's not voting with marv here. 2. He's just letting Palmar die without having a real read on him while Palmar is voting with him.
JAT just talked about the claim mostly that's true but then he could accuse cop of doing the same thing at times. He's also not factoring it that JAT has it out personally for me so he doesn't want me to be mayor which gives him a town motivation to do so.
I really don't "have it out personally for you". I just don't think your play warrants an election as mayor.
Me and DP laid it out already why it's beneficial to have a JK as mayor. For scum it's like having a clock ticking against them to fight.
If you make a VT mayor they don't even give a damn about killing the mayor. With me as mayor you force them to look for BGs.
If I agree with sandro wanting to kill you it's because you can't see this.
Lol how does mafia look for BGs
That's the neat part, they can't.
Hapa foresaw this and just conceded when he saw me claiming JK.
At this point, why would scum continue to fight against your election?
On March 06 2024 08:28 Palmar wrote: I think Jealous is complaining (he didn't quote it correctly) about my post encouraging Hapa to just play at a lower effort level.
I disagree with Jealous, I think that was a very townie post by me.
Yea, my apologies, I only realized on the re-read that I somehow lost that post into somewhere else. But, I'm glad you brought it up. For posterity (so everyone else knows what I was referring to):
On March 05 2024 23:50 Hapahauli wrote: Not a damn thing. I don't want to be a buzz kill or anything, but I literally cannot bring myself to even try every time I sit down and try to start
You don't actually have to read the thread, god knows I haven't.
Just start talking with people. Mafia is incredibly hard and these people spam like their life depends on it. You just kinda have to accept that you're not playing at 100% capacity and be okay with it.
Admitting you haven't read the thread just doesn't feel like a smart thing to be doing regardless of whether you're mafia or town IMO, but especially town. If you're not trying to catch inconsistencies, see apparent partnerships or dissect whether a conflict is genuine or manufactured, what are we doing here? Like, yea, asking questions and using that info to inform your decisions is a thing you're supposed to do, but without a frame of reference it just feels like it's not helping town and can just lead to more confusion than anything.
But, you're a more experienced player than me and might have just been trying to be kind to Hapa, I can concede that. In general I liked how you've been posting recently for the most part, but you were also under the microscope for a bit so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
On March 06 2024 07:51 DarthPunk wrote: ATTENTION TOWNIES
We are now lynching JAT, adjust your votes accordingly.
I don't know but I know I want to work with you. Adjusted.
same and he's actually here so can freak out before the lynch and give more info.
If you don't want to Die JAT give a list post of some sort.
I literally just said I will be going to bed in 10 minutes. You will have to be able to think on your own. If this town decides to mislynch me and elect Vivax at the same time that would be impressively bad.
Saying this while wholesale sheeping marv is impressive
On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote: So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at. Going to hedge on sandro. VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples.
i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first.
On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote: [quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.
You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.
If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.
There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works.
The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia.
I don't like it at all.
I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly.
Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing?
Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team.
If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players.
Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody.
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions.
On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary.
On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote: I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk.
but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play)
Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play.
For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out.
He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that.
On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oatsmaster - probs town DarthPunk - townish Vivax - town sandroba - town Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game marvellosity - town Jealous - not posted Meapak_Ziphh - townish Palmar - not posted justanothertownie - not posted die_meatbaby - town CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps? JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him Hapahauli - not posted Iamperfection - town Koshi - meh, useless ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish VisceraEyes - scummy, useless Rels - useless Alakaslam - town
This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course.
On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote: I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible. There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia.
Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie.
The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed
It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake.
I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example
Are you still lock town on trfel btw?
Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me.
I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him.
This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible.
So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because:
1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ. 2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange. 3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."
Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further.
Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb.
On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote: So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at. Going to hedge on sandro. VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples.
i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first.
On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote: [quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.
You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.
If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.
There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works.
The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia.
I don't like it at all.
I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly.
Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing?
Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team.
If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players.
Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody.
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions.
On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary.
On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote: I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk.
but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play)
Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play.
For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out.
He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that.
On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oatsmaster - probs town DarthPunk - townish Vivax - town sandroba - town Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game marvellosity - town Jealous - not posted Meapak_Ziphh - townish Palmar - not posted justanothertownie - not posted die_meatbaby - town CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps? JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him Hapahauli - not posted Iamperfection - town Koshi - meh, useless ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish VisceraEyes - scummy, useless Rels - useless Alakaslam - town
This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course.
On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote: I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible. There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia.
Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie.
The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed
It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake.
I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example
Are you still lock town on trfel btw?
Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me.
I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him.
This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible.
So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because:
1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ. 2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange. 3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."
Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further.
Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb.
What happened to your cake read?
I still have it but I am less convinced about CopCake than rayn because I don't recall her seeming outright scummy, just not great/unproductive townie with a potentially questionable out-of-game statement, and though I struggle to understand CopCake sometimes, she's still miles ahead of Alakaslam in that department for me. So, she is the least lynchable of those three in my book ATM.
You literally pointed out scummy things in your list post and now you are backtracking to “not Great unproductive townie”??
On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote: So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at. Going to hedge on sandro. VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples.
i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first.
On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote: [quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.
You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.
If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.
There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works.
The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia.
I don't like it at all.
I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly.
Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing?
Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team.
If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players.
Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody.
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions.
On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary.
On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote: I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk.
but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play)
Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play.
For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out.
He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that.
On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oatsmaster - probs town DarthPunk - townish Vivax - town sandroba - town Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game marvellosity - town Jealous - not posted Meapak_Ziphh - townish Palmar - not posted justanothertownie - not posted die_meatbaby - town CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps? JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him Hapahauli - not posted Iamperfection - town Koshi - meh, useless ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish VisceraEyes - scummy, useless Rels - useless Alakaslam - town
This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course.
On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote: I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible. There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia.
Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie.
The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed
It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake.
I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example
Are you still lock town on trfel btw?
Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me.
I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him.
This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible.
So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because:
1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ. 2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange. 3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."
Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further.
Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb.
What happened to your cake read?
I still have it but I am less convinced about CopCake than rayn because I don't recall her seeming outright scummy, just not great/unproductive townie with a potentially questionable out-of-game statement, and though I struggle to understand CopCake sometimes, she's still miles ahead of Alakaslam in that department for me. So, she is the least lynchable of those three in my book ATM.
You literally pointed out scummy things in your list post and now you are backtracking to “not Great unproductive townie”??
Double-checked to make sure I wasn't having a stroke, here is what I said again just for convenience:
13) CopCake - I don’t know if it’s because I have a hard time following their mindset/writing, or because of their self-professed “style”, but I just did not find any of their Day 1 play to be all that productive. + Show Spoiler [Stuff] +
On March 05 2024 03:28 Vivax wrote: I'm bothered by rayn's reaction here tbh
I dont know if it is relevant but he was laughing hard in the other room.
that makes him look scum. I loved beeing mafia in the last game because doing random shit like offering my life for HF who claimed blue and provoke other Townies is fun as hell. As Town I take it way more seriously. But maybe thats just me
rayn loves to be more town than mafia.
He has rolled mafia so many times that he is tired of that.
I also prefer more mafia than town unless I get to be mafia three times in a row or so.
This feels like the awkward moment where you need to make up for possibly exposing him as scum.
Vivax, take a break please and come back. Because I think you know this can’t make sense.
You’re just annoyed at the game and people in it and it leads to posts like this.
^ Don’t want to beat it to death but I did not like these CopCake posts, I did like the Vivax and marv posts here.
On March 05 2024 04:42 sandroba wrote: Why are you trying to keep this useless trash nai discussion going CopCake?
^ My thoughts exactly.
I think my messaging has been pretty consistent here.
??? Your spoilered part specifically calls out posts you think are scummy
On March 06 2024 03:39 sandroba wrote: I had an early town read on dmb, but she has then turned into more of a single threaded bot that only pops in to talk about the vivax claim. Not seeing as many unprompted inputs from her as I would expect from her as town.
disagree. I just put my priorities in the right order. We only elect a mayor once and that has to be a safe thing for us. The lynch comes second for me, as I know from little but existing experience that the first lynch is almost always wrong, but that (maybe wrong) lynch 1 + Nk 1 helps us to find mafia
On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote: So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at. Going to hedge on sandro. VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples.
i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first.
On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote: [quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.
You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.
If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.
There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works.
The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia.
I don't like it at all.
I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly.
Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing?
Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team.
If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players.
Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody.
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions.
On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary.
On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote: I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk.
but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play)
Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play.
For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out.
He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that.
On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oatsmaster - probs town DarthPunk - townish Vivax - town sandroba - town Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game marvellosity - town Jealous - not posted Meapak_Ziphh - townish Palmar - not posted justanothertownie - not posted die_meatbaby - town CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps? JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him Hapahauli - not posted Iamperfection - town Koshi - meh, useless ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish VisceraEyes - scummy, useless Rels - useless Alakaslam - town
This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course.
On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote: I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible. There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia.
Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie.
The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed
It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake.
I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example
Are you still lock town on trfel btw?
Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me.
I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him.
This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible.
So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because:
1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ. 2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange. 3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."
Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further.
Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb.
What happened to your cake read?
I still have it but I am less convinced about CopCake than rayn because I don't recall her seeming outright scummy, just not great/unproductive townie with a potentially questionable out-of-game statement, and though I struggle to understand CopCake sometimes, she's still miles ahead of Alakaslam in that department for me. So, she is the least lynchable of those three in my book ATM.
You literally pointed out scummy things in your list post and now you are backtracking to “not Great unproductive townie”??
Double-checked to make sure I wasn't having a stroke, here is what I said again just for convenience:
13) CopCake - I don’t know if it’s because I have a hard time following their mindset/writing, or because of their self-professed “style”, but I just did not find any of their Day 1 play to be all that productive. + Show Spoiler [Stuff] +
On March 05 2024 03:28 Vivax wrote: I'm bothered by rayn's reaction here tbh
I dont know if it is relevant but he was laughing hard in the other room.
that makes him look scum. I loved beeing mafia in the last game because doing random shit like offering my life for HF who claimed blue and provoke other Townies is fun as hell. As Town I take it way more seriously. But maybe thats just me
rayn loves to be more town than mafia.
He has rolled mafia so many times that he is tired of that.
I also prefer more mafia than town unless I get to be mafia three times in a row or so.
This feels like the awkward moment where you need to make up for possibly exposing him as scum.
Vivax, take a break please and come back. Because I think you know this can’t make sense.
You’re just annoyed at the game and people in it and it leads to posts like this.
^ Don’t want to beat it to death but I did not like these CopCake posts, I did like the Vivax and marv posts here.
On March 05 2024 04:42 sandroba wrote: Why are you trying to keep this useless trash nai discussion going CopCake?
^ My thoughts exactly.
I think my messaging has been pretty consistent here.
??? Your spoilered part specifically calls out posts you think are scummy
Yea, I didn't like them, hence not great/unproductive, which is almost exactly what I wrote in the post you're dissecting? I feel like you're manufacturing a semantics issue when there really isn't one. The fact remains that - before I was reminded that Alakaslam role-claimed cop - I thought both him and rayn would have been better lynches than CopCake. I don't see any contradictions in anything I've said.
How about you, who do you think are scum? What are your reads atm?
You fully colored copcakes name but only half colored slams name. What you described in your list post isn’t “unproductive” it’s scummy. Like idk why you are trying to portray differently now but that’s not how your initial post was like.
On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote: So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about.
Oatsmaster
Both initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this:
On March 04 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote: I’m running for mayor
Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing.
On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote: [quote]
I don't think pushing for it actually does anything.
You don’t seem to even want to be mayor
There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor".
It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything.
VisceraEyes
Part of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read.
But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him.
Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good.
On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote: People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game.
I have zero interest in lynching VE today.
DMB
So I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point.
On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 05 2024 06:13 Palmar wrote: [quote] It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about?
Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM
She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game.
She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though.
But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed.
Sorry for not having you in my list post. You had like one page on you Filter. You came in the game after like 60 Pages or something. You posted some good one liners that i actually liked. Especially that one that either people should vote Vivax for mayjor or for lynch. That one made think a litte bit about the other players here. I understand that people think the claim is a scum move but why do they not lynch him when they are not voting him as mayjor either? Still it was to less posting from you to make any kind of opinions on your aligment. I can just say I was not suspicious about your few posts just kinda liked them. Atm you are more likely Town for me, but beware, this can change quickly
Out of all the posts in the past like 12 hours DMB chooses this one to respond to, fence sits and doesn’t apply any of the bolded section to her list post earlier so where does that thinking even come out?
Normaly i have day off, but somebody is sick and I had to come in fast. Didn't have much time to read. Btw list Was requested by rels. No answer from him atm
So what have you learned from the bolded section?
I have already used a translator 3 times, which means I have learnt 3 new words in English But for real I think the lynch is goeing in a wrong direction
so what are you going to do?
I don´t know, but I will not vote for Trfl right now. I don´t see any majorly scum shit at his filter. He plays like in the last game and he was actually doeing amzing as Town last game. So I would not like to loss him if he is Town. Actually I would like to vote on DP because he seems more scummy for me in this game, but that would be a usless vote... Vote: Justanothertownie
So is this just a poe not trfel so jat? Or what is this?
On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote: So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about.
Oatsmaster
Both initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this:
[quote]
Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing.
[quote]
There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor".
It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything.
VisceraEyes
Part of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read.
But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him.
Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good.
[quote]
I have zero interest in lynching VE today.
DMB
So I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point.
[quote]
She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game.
She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though.
But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed.
Sorry for not having you in my list post. You had like one page on you Filter. You came in the game after like 60 Pages or something. You posted some good one liners that i actually liked. Especially that one that either people should vote Vivax for mayjor or for lynch. That one made think a litte bit about the other players here. I understand that people think the claim is a scum move but why do they not lynch him when they are not voting him as mayjor either? Still it was to less posting from you to make any kind of opinions on your aligment. I can just say I was not suspicious about your few posts just kinda liked them. Atm you are more likely Town for me, but beware, this can change quickly
Out of all the posts in the past like 12 hours DMB chooses this one to respond to, fence sits and doesn’t apply any of the bolded section to her list post earlier so where does that thinking even come out?
Normaly i have day off, but somebody is sick and I had to come in fast. Didn't have much time to read. Btw list Was requested by rels. No answer from him atm
So what have you learned from the bolded section?
I have already used a translator 3 times, which means I have learnt 3 new words in English But for real I think the lynch is goeing in a wrong direction
so what are you going to do?
I don´t know, but I will not vote for Trfl right now. I don´t see any majorly scum shit at his filter. He plays like in the last game and he was actually doeing amzing as Town last game. So I would not like to loss him if he is Town. Actually I would like to vote on DP because he seems more scummy for me in this game, but that would be a usless vote... Vote: Justanothertownie
So is this just a poe not trfel so jat? Or what is this?
On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote: So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at. Going to hedge on sandro. VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples.
i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first.
On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote: [quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.
You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.
If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.
There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works.
The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia.
I don't like it at all.
I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly.
Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing?
Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team.
If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players.
Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody.
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions.
On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary.
On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote: I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk.
but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play)
Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play.
For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out.
He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that.
On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oatsmaster - probs town DarthPunk - townish Vivax - town sandroba - town Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game marvellosity - town Jealous - not posted Meapak_Ziphh - townish Palmar - not posted justanothertownie - not posted die_meatbaby - town CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps? JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him Hapahauli - not posted Iamperfection - town Koshi - meh, useless ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish VisceraEyes - scummy, useless Rels - useless Alakaslam - town
This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course.
On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote: I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible. There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia.
Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie.
The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed
It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake.
I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example
Are you still lock town on trfel btw?
Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me.
I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him.
This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible.
So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because:
1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ. 2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange. 3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."
Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further.
Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb.
What happened to your cake read?
I still have it but I am less convinced about CopCake than rayn because I don't recall her seeming outright scummy, just not great/unproductive townie with a potentially questionable out-of-game statement, and though I struggle to understand CopCake sometimes, she's still miles ahead of Alakaslam in that department for me. So, she is the least lynchable of those three in my book ATM.
You literally pointed out scummy things in your list post and now you are backtracking to “not Great unproductive townie”??
Double-checked to make sure I wasn't having a stroke, here is what I said again just for convenience:
13) CopCake - I don’t know if it’s because I have a hard time following their mindset/writing, or because of their self-professed “style”, but I just did not find any of their Day 1 play to be all that productive. + Show Spoiler [Stuff] +
On March 05 2024 03:28 Vivax wrote: I'm bothered by rayn's reaction here tbh
I dont know if it is relevant but he was laughing hard in the other room.
that makes him look scum. I loved beeing mafia in the last game because doing random shit like offering my life for HF who claimed blue and provoke other Townies is fun as hell. As Town I take it way more seriously. But maybe thats just me
rayn loves to be more town than mafia.
He has rolled mafia so many times that he is tired of that.
I also prefer more mafia than town unless I get to be mafia three times in a row or so.
This feels like the awkward moment where you need to make up for possibly exposing him as scum.
Vivax, take a break please and come back. Because I think you know this can’t make sense.
You’re just annoyed at the game and people in it and it leads to posts like this.
^ Don’t want to beat it to death but I did not like these CopCake posts, I did like the Vivax and marv posts here.
On March 05 2024 04:42 sandroba wrote: Why are you trying to keep this useless trash nai discussion going CopCake?
^ My thoughts exactly.
I think my messaging has been pretty consistent here.
??? Your spoilered part specifically calls out posts you think are scummy
Yea, I didn't like them, hence not great/unproductive, which is almost exactly what I wrote in the post you're dissecting? I feel like you're manufacturing a semantics issue when there really isn't one. The fact remains that - before I was reminded that Alakaslam role-claimed cop - I thought both him and rayn would have been better lynches than CopCake. I don't see any contradictions in anything I've said.
How about you, who do you think are scum? What are your reads atm?
You fully colored copcakes name but only half colored slams name. What you described in your list post isn’t “unproductive” it’s scummy. Like idk why you are trying to portray differently now but that’s not how your initial post was like.
Idk maybe read my filter?
Yea, because I find Alakaslam harder to read, which inherently means I can't be certain of his alignment but I can be certain that I don't think it helps town to be the way he is and that's why if I had to pick, I'd lynch him over CopCake. At least I can understand CopCake more often.
To put it another way, if someone posts like Race Bannon - basically unintelligible gibberish - it's not really possible to have a strong scum read on them, but you can definitely feel like the game would be better off without them and make it easier to figure out, I guess? That's my thinking.
But, this is all frankly irrelevant now that I have been reminded that Alakaslam role-claimed cop. Would be foolish to lynch him D1 IMO, and again, trains aren't there anyway.
Re: filter, okay, will do.
Equity with cake imo this is some ridiculous waffle
On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote: Especially when she is joining my wagon
I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town...
On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote: Especially when she is joining my wagon
I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town...
On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote: Especially when she is joining my wagon
I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town...
This is a scumslip
I don't see it.
Reasonable town lynch ie jat is town
Is that a stretch though, could be ESL
What’s the difficulty? She’s callling the lynch town AND shes on it
On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote: Especially when she is joining my wagon
I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town...
This is a scumslip
I don't see it.
Reasonable town lynch ie jat is town
Is that a stretch though, could be ESL
What’s the difficulty? She’s callling the lynch town AND shes on it
Can you read? I didn´t say JAT is Town i just said I am not happy with both wagons. Should I waste my vote. Did it in my first game. OPEN YOU EYES AND READ CORRECTLY PLS
You literally said that DP is searching for a reasonable town lynch when referring to him talking about his wagon. Lol this is hilarious
On March 06 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote: I don't want to misrep Oats so I will be limiting to what I consider reads to being their "votes" in this thread and if they ever directly say that someone is scummy/town. Simply "I don't like this (post)" is not enough IMO. In chronological order"
On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote: Especially when she is joining my wagon
I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town...
This is a scumslip
I don't see it.
Reasonable town lynch ie jat is town
Is that a stretch though, could be ESL
What’s the difficulty? She’s callling the lynch town AND shes on it
Oh not a word slip a motive slip.
Hmm it's I guess kinda a slip in that sense, I think DP scum doing random stuff trying to vote for a town but I'll also vote for one of the two people DP pushed.
I forget her motivation for voting was it better of the two (bad) options in her opinion or was there something else?
Even if you don’t see the slip, it’s really scummy to be voting on the wagon started by your only scumread and not even mention that for a second
On March 06 2024 11:14 sandroba wrote: more like hero oats keeps it simple and gets scum lynched
Ehhhhh it could happen but I think it would be more like someone adding 11 and 11 and getting 22, but by a method where 66 and 66 would add up to 1212...
Why do you think dmb is town? You are saying so much shit rn but none of it is relevant
On March 06 2024 11:27 JacobStrangelove wrote: Okay I re-read dmb and am still coming up with town I just don't see personally how one would fake the kind of behaviour I'm seeing. Extremely helpful with vivax claim not a second of doubt which sure could be sucking up to the person in the same place as them but at the same time just everything they've wrote seems town like, lots of joy etc, paranoia about being lynched but in a town way imo. There's no bad cases on people that I would be expecting from Mafia DMB and it's weirdly mostly vibes but I've had good vibes most of the game about them.
On March 06 2024 11:26 Rels wrote: Well looks like I won't be able to join after all. My daughter is still not well and is still not sleeping so I'm staying with her until she's better. Will try to phone read and post if she starts to sleep but no guarantee . Will also switch to JAT since nobody is on the Palmar wagon anymore
On March 06 2024 11:32 Trfel wrote: Why is die_meatbaby mafia? I really didn't think she was suspicious at all, she seemed far more reasonable than last game. Would be very hesitant to suspect her.
May actually be worth taking another look at Vivax because he should know this.
I called dp mafia... I was to lazy to quote and stuff and two sentences wasn´t enough for oats and Dp. I am not happy with both wagons (both pushed by dp) and I still voted one of the two wagons But I shouldn´t because not wasting my vote makes me scummy.
and i my called people stupid that makes me more scummy
Would like to hear from other people's perspectives but this really really REALLY does not sound like mafia.
Look at Vivax/iamperfection, that's the best I have.
On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote: Especially when she is joining my wagon
I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town...
This is a scumslip
word nr.4 today. Thank you love to improve my english
Maybe just tired and annoyed about stupid people here. Either wagons are not a good D1 lynch
Like is this for real? Annoyed at stupid people when she does not have a better lynch and isn't even saying she is confident the wagons are town?
given the context that dmb doesn't think both wagons are townie and she finds d1 lynches to be always bad, do you think it is reasonable she is saying this?
On March 06 2024 12:28 die_meatbaby wrote: So it´s scummy that she wasted her vote (in my opinion it is a bit scummy) But it is also scummy for you that I didn´t waste my vote and tried to vote one of wagons I would rather have lynched even I didn´t want to lynch both... What the hell is wrong with you. Either of your aligment the play is bad
I was voting for you so that I could determine your alignment that's it.
You know how I play as Town and usuallly you play smart so you should be aware of my aligment aready as slam is. But maybe you are not as smart as I thougt. You just was helping oatsmaster, who is a big scumread in my list btw
Oh now I’m a scumread? Lol you can’t keep your story straight
On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote: Especially when she is joining my wagon
I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town...
This is a scumslip
I don't see it.
Reasonable town lynch ie jat is town
Is that a stretch though, could be ESL
What’s the difficulty? She’s callling the lynch town AND shes on it
Can you read? I didn´t say JAT is Town i just said I am not happy with both wagons. Should I waste my vote. Did it in my first game. OPEN YOU EYES AND READ CORRECTLY PLS
On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote: Especially when she is joining my wagon
I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town...
This is a scumslip
word nr.4 today. Thank you love to improve my english
Maybe just tired and annoyed about stupid people here. Either wagons are not a good D1 lynch
Oats, this is the dumb scum slip according to you, right?
On March 07 2024 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Jacob comes off as really really townie on all fronts
Explain??
All of that shit where he says he has never been lynched as town and makes a case on himself. That Koshi case is also townie for him i think, if anyone DP looks like shit there when agreeing with him and not telling him the real deal.
I don’t understand how he thinks koshis thing is a scumslip while dmbs thing wasn’t to him
On March 07 2024 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Jacob comes off as really really townie on all fronts
Explain??
All of that shit where he says he has never been lynched as town and makes a case on himself. That Koshi case is also townie for him i think, if anyone DP looks like shit there when agreeing with him and not telling him the real deal.
I don’t understand how he thinks koshis thing is a scumslip while dmbs thing wasn’t to him
because he went to read koshi's filter, i dont think he has read dmb's filter.
On March 07 2024 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: hmm okay he actually went to read dmb's filter. i retract my analysis and await for Jacob to answer.
Tbh You'll have to bring up which post exactly is the DMB Scum slip post again.
It's probably because I'm a highly empathetic person tbh I try to get in people's heads and understand where they're coming from from what I've seen of DMB it seems in line with their ESL style so it didn't phase me.
(I say not remembering exactly which post they slipped in)
Koshi on the other hand strikes me as someone who wouldn't phrase things "Incorrectly" as town without first clarifying he was doing a "In this senario" style post.
Where as people with higher empathy (generally) women and particualy ESL speakers who have to try and get in people's thoughts constantly, would. Along with the slight barrier with communicating being in someones's head. If that makes sense.
On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote: Especially when she is joining my wagon
I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town...
Here was the post Jacob. Literally has nothing to do with empathy or whatever
On March 07 2024 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: hmm okay he actually went to read dmb's filter. i retract my analysis and await for Jacob to answer.
Tbh You'll have to bring up which post exactly is the DMB Scum slip post again.
It's probably because I'm a highly empathetic person tbh I try to get in people's heads and understand where they're coming from from what I've seen of DMB it seems in line with their ESL style so it didn't phase me.
(I say not remembering exactly which post they slipped in)
Koshi on the other hand strikes me as someone who wouldn't phrase things "Incorrectly" as town without first clarifying he was doing a "In this senario" style post.
Where as people with higher empathy (generally) women and particualy ESL speakers who have to try and get in people's thoughts constantly, would. Along with the slight barrier with communicating being in someones's head. If that makes sense.
On March 07 2024 04:41 marvellosity wrote:
On March 07 2024 04:39 CopCake wrote:
On March 07 2024 04:36 marvellosity wrote: POIDH
Rels is also cute
I feel like we need a girls chat
OMG totally should all make a list of the hottest guys it'll be fun.
On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote: Especially when she is joining my wagon
I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town...
Here was the post Jacob. Literally has nothing to do with empathy or whatever
Ahh no I still don't think it's a scum slip.
See here
"I don´t really saw you making a wagon."
From my perspective you aren't making a case
"It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever."
You're just saying they look scummy and pushing people to vote for them. *This is where the empathy kicks in, the implication here being that DP is mafia for doing this.
"Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia"
You're not looking for mafia you are mafia.
"here just for a reasonable town lynch"
As mafia you're just looking for a town lynch
"where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town..."
Where as Mafia you have safety from a flip.
This is directly different from Koshi's post where it's litterally. "Oh yo when you flip town this will be helpful but it's not right now"
Koshi is obviously talking about the scenario which marv flips town. Like when that happens. Not that it will happen….
Okay we can agree to disagree about the wording whatever however she’s literally voting for the person that DP is on at this time which she literally does not care about
On March 07 2024 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: hmm okay he actually went to read dmb's filter. i retract my analysis and await for Jacob to answer.
Tbh You'll have to bring up which post exactly is the DMB Scum slip post again.
It's probably because I'm a highly empathetic person tbh I try to get in people's heads and understand where they're coming from from what I've seen of DMB it seems in line with their ESL style so it didn't phase me.
(I say not remembering exactly which post they slipped in)
Koshi on the other hand strikes me as someone who wouldn't phrase things "Incorrectly" as town without first clarifying he was doing a "In this senario" style post.
Where as people with higher empathy (generally) women and particualy ESL speakers who have to try and get in people's thoughts constantly, would. Along with the slight barrier with communicating being in someones's head. If that makes sense.
On March 07 2024 04:41 marvellosity wrote:
On March 07 2024 04:39 CopCake wrote:
On March 07 2024 04:36 marvellosity wrote: POIDH
Rels is also cute
I feel like we need a girls chat
OMG totally should all make a list of the hottest guys it'll be fun.
On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote: Especially when she is joining my wagon
I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town...
Here was the post Jacob. Literally has nothing to do with empathy or whatever
Ahh no I still don't think it's a scum slip.
See here
"I don´t really saw you making a wagon."
From my perspective you aren't making a case
"It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever."
You're just saying they look scummy and pushing people to vote for them. *This is where the empathy kicks in, the implication here being that DP is mafia for doing this.
"Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia"
You're not looking for mafia you are mafia.
"here just for a reasonable town lynch"
As mafia you're just looking for a town lynch
"where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town..."
Where as Mafia you have safety from a flip.
This is directly different from Koshi's post where it's litterally. "Oh yo when you flip town this will be helpful but it's not right now"
Koshi is obviously talking about the scenario which marv flips town. Like when that happens. Not that it will happen….
Okay we can agree to disagree about the wording whatever however she’s literally voting for the person that DP is on at this time which she literally does not care about
Look the second part I also disagree with, if she doesn't vote one of the top two lynches it's a wasted vote, like the three people who basically avoided the lynch entirely if she does she's gotta pick one of the two options. You've put them in a catch-22 scenario here where there's no winning. She either votes the lesser of the two evils and is scummy or votes for neither and is scummy.
The point is that it doesn’t enter her mind at all that that’s the situation. She barely talks about either of them, just randomly starts ranting at me and DP.
On March 07 2024 08:39 Vivax wrote: As for Sandro your enthusiasm about his post casing JAT is simply conflicting with the vote on Trfel. Additionally he was very much not wanting to kill Trfel. If you say you wanted to sheep your townreads and you go all 'woah, this guy is killing it' it'd look better if you voted with him and not the counterwagon.
I can think that someone is trying to push the game forward, is trying to scumhunt, and without necessarily agreeing with their reads or their vote. I agreed with the vote made by a different townread of mine (Koshi, you, marv) instead. Simple as.
Sure but you didn’t mention this at all when making your vote, going back and saying that’s the case doesn’t mean that you were thinking about it when you made the vote
On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote: Regardless of what I think about cake, but it seems to me that he picks weaker players to annoy until they make a mistake because of beeing annoyd and then he can push the wagon that comes up. Why he didn´t do that do players like Koshi, marv or rayn. They wouldn´t fear Dp.
This is so Tmi it’s crazy, she knows that these players are town or what??
On March 07 2024 12:13 Alakaslam wrote: Hi Anyone voting outside of me or Oatsmaster better have a damned good reason
Not really sure if you realize that miller is a role
Only one way to find out.
##Vote: Oatsmaster
If you're confirmed scum, WP. If you flip VT (Miller), I'm sorry.
Explain how this makes sense? You thought I was town before the check, why would I not be town now?
Because I believe it is more likely that I was wrong in my read on you than the probability of all of the following combined:
Alakaslam claiming cop as mafia, getting away with it, and then claiming you are mafia + Alakaslam and a Mafia Framer both targeting you at the same time + Alakaslam targeting you N1 and you happen to be an Unaware Miller
No point in overthinking it beyond that IMO. You flip red, I vote red. You get lynched and flip green, we lynch Slam. If you're truly Unaware Miller and Slam is truly cop and is for whatever reason still alive, well, we get fucked. I don't see any other way around it.
What alternatives do you propose to the above reasoning?
You do realize that framer and miller are independent events right Very ridiculous you are setting up this premise that I’m flipping green and then you yeet slam after
On March 07 2024 12:19 iamperfection wrote: oats explain your vote on dmb
Literally entirely through eod and the night it’s there? What are you talking about
i mean did you not read what just happened ???
Like what are you talking about? It makes 0 sense for slam to do what he did as mafia, I don’t see any ccs or any softed CCs
Be honest if it wasn‘t you, what would you do ? There‘s not much choice here.
But we can pretend at least.
If like koshi got red checked? I’m not lynching him
oats dmb dumb town telled and you ignored it.
It’s way too dumb to be real she asked the same question like 5 times cmon now
what do you mean ???
“Oh how are 2 people dead is this a vig whaa?” Especially because there was convo pregame about kp too. Like you really buy that a player sees 2 kills then doesn’t check the OP? I don’t
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
This literally makes no sense
What about this is confusing you?
The voting is for the mayor firstly, so the 2nd top voter is the 2nd choice for mayor, secondly giving up your agency is super anti town
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor
On March 07 2024 12:13 Alakaslam wrote: Hi Anyone voting outside of me or Oatsmaster better have a damned good reason
Not really sure if you realize that miller is a role
Only one way to find out.
##Vote: Oatsmaster
If you're confirmed scum, WP. If you flip VT (Miller), I'm sorry.
Explain how this makes sense? You thought I was town before the check, why would I not be town now?
Because I believe it is more likely that I was wrong in my read on you than the probability of all of the following combined:
Alakaslam claiming cop as mafia, getting away with it, and then claiming you are mafia + Alakaslam and a Mafia Framer both targeting you at the same time + Alakaslam targeting you N1 and you happen to be an Unaware Miller
No point in overthinking it beyond that IMO. You flip red, I vote red. You get lynched and flip green, we lynch Slam. If you're truly Unaware Miller and Slam is truly cop and is for whatever reason still alive, well, we get fucked. I don't see any other way around it.
What alternatives do you propose to the above reasoning?
You do realize that framer and miller are independent events right Very ridiculous you are setting up this premise that I’m flipping green and then you yeet slam after
Yea, I'm saying that the probability of all three of those events combined is still less likely than me just being wrong in my read on you.
In other words, if there is a 10% chance of A, 10% chance of B, and 10% chance of C, but a >40% chance of me just being straight up wrong in my D1/N1 reads, I'm going with the >40% chance. Again, props or sorry, whichever happens happens.
Nice taking no personal responsibility for your actions
On March 07 2024 12:22 Oatsmaster wrote: [quote] Like what are you talking about? It makes 0 sense for slam to do what he did as mafia, I don’t see any ccs or any softed CCs
Be honest if it wasn‘t you, what would you do ? There‘s not much choice here.
But we can pretend at least.
If like koshi got red checked? I’m not lynching him
oats dmb dumb town telled and you ignored it.
It’s way too dumb to be real she asked the same question like 5 times cmon now
what do you mean ???
it was once and just an extra response to my prod.
And another response to jsl, and one more to me after I made my post
Look the info is in the thread, I can lead you to water but you have to drink
On March 07 2024 12:40 iamperfection wrote: Oats your mission should you choose to accept it is to spew as much towness as possible this cycle. Then we can lynch VE if not i salute you my friend.
Slam gave up D1. Rels is too busy. Oats did his best but can‘t contain all that info leaking out of dmb in the thread and wants to kill her. Slam told him not to and is avenging dmb by fakeclaiming cop to fake a redcheck on his teammate.
Marv is in shambles and just wants to spend a bit of time with Palmar.
Alright alright let’s take the tin foil off, What do you think about Palmar?
On March 07 2024 12:49 JacobStrangelove wrote: Also MZ Fair I looked scummy I see that but now I've claimed Gunsmith any other thoughts on your top read aside from oats?
Probably just going to the next on the list to VE at the moment, nothing he's posted in the last hour or so has done anything to change my mind on him and if not it's gotten worse imo.
I do still owe a reread of DMB and JAT
I'm at work Bish trust the process. Don't take my shitter posting as content, it isn't
On March 07 2024 13:00 Rels wrote: In other news, finally read the fucking game. I've ignored some posts from Slam, Jealous, Vivax, JSL and DMB when they were too hard to parse while reading like that - will have to revisit Jealous and DMB at least. Glad that Slam, Vivax and JSL are probably taken care of alignment wise already LOL
Anyone that thought Palmar looked better or good N1 (DP?), why? I didn't see a single post that would be hard to fake as scum. From what I can remember, talking about his reads on me and VE, being cocky, talking a lot about policy lynches and the way to play the game. Not advancing the game or pointing new things. The only place where he showed some change was being attacked by rayn and scumreading him. And now, rayn is dead.
If I have to make a contrast, I thought JAT looked way better. After his shitty cases (on me obv, and I also thought the one on MZ was not convincing), I liked what I could see of his mindset, interacting with different people, vote analysis, etc.
What are you seeing in town!jat, he’s literally done nothing but sheep people he doesn’t think is town?
On March 07 2024 12:41 DarthPunk wrote: why did mafia not shoot slam, or even roleblock him?
My current hypothesis is they have a framer and felt good about him checking me
This doesn't really make sense, how do you predict slams check, just really unlikely.
? Obviously they lucked out? What do you think happened assuming both me and slam are town
Probably miller if I had to put money on it.
Fair
you are banned from talking about millers and framers. Talk about anything else.
Yeah yeah, I’ll start with you Talk to me about dmb, is the dumb tell your only reason she’s town?
probably the only good one. I had thoughts earlier but it was more guessing then anything.
Let’s revisit this later, For claim reactions, I think that the way jealous reacted felt very preplanned and lining up the mislynches, what do you think?
On March 07 2024 13:25 CopCake wrote: SLAM WHY DID YOU PICK OATS
Now she cares lol.
What did the trfel flip change for you?
For me?
Yeah you
The wagons, Made me think marv was town when he read it later, made me think that Jat can;t be mafia if palmar is town, made perfection look good, DMB look bad.
His actual flip didn't do much though.
Can you explain the jat can’t be mafia if Palmar is town?
On March 07 2024 13:25 CopCake wrote: SLAM WHY DID YOU PICK OATS
Now she cares lol.
What did the trfel flip change for you?
For me?
Yeah you
The wagons, Made me think marv was town when he read it later, made me think that Jat can;t be mafia if palmar is town, made perfection look good, DMB look bad.
His actual flip didn't do much though.
Can you explain the jat can’t be mafia if Palmar is town?
Why would Mafia!Jat be reluctant on joining the town!palmar wagon, even under duress and when I recruited people to lynch him for it.
On March 07 2024 13:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: It bothers me that slam makes this post
On March 07 2024 13:20 Alakaslam wrote:
On March 07 2024 12:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 07 2024 12:41 DarthPunk wrote: why did mafia not shoot slam, or even roleblock him?
My current hypothesis is they have a framer and felt good about him checking me
God damn it, he is good, he has me wifoming myself to death. I am almost considering unvote
And then copcake starts pouring on the pressure. Like the only way Oats survives the day if he's scum is if his team can somehow get people to doubt the check. It doesn't matter the reasons for the doubt but enough people overthink a red check, oats could wiggle out.
I ask those questions to clear every possible scenario. But Slam/Oats mafia together is not happening.
Slam’s choice of Oats seemed weird but I liked Slam’s answer.
It makes sense and fits his persona. (Even tho I dont think Oats was being pedantic)
Besides Slam doing whole “i am a lying cop” doesnt fit his personality either.
Then why are you having this conversation. This is really a pretty binary situation, we lynch oats. He flips miller/scum. We move on. He flips town, we have a discussion on D3 that you're trying to have right now. This theorycrafting you're doing is unproductive and gives a red check (WHO IS STATISTICALLY MOST LIKELY SCUM) a chance to escape. Before the NK, there are 19 people left, I'm bad at math so I used an internet calculator and maybe I set the equation up wrong but the probability of slam checking someone AND the probability of them being framed/the miller is 0.025% + Show Spoiler +
(I think that's a %, I'm ready to get flamed by people who actually do math to tell me I'm wrong).
Me personally, I'm taking that every time.
That’s wrong lol what?
Assuming 1 miller and a framer, chances are 1/16 + 1/13 ASSUMING framer is completely random 13% What is this ridiculous math argument tbh
On March 04 2024 12:28 DarthPunk wrote: If we vote for the tip top town to be mayor, why can't we trust them with a vig shot?
Sure make suggestions and stuff, but I know if I was the mayor I am just going to back myself, because I know I am town and can make a smart shot.
But I don't know if you're town and I'm still not trusting my tip top town with a shot on D1.
Sorry MZ, you’d trust a collective town with all sorts of levels of play, and containing multiple mafia, to make a better choice than your best town read?
On D1? Yes. Outside of people like Ver or Ace or incognito, I don't think there's anyone on TL who I'd trust over my own reads on D1. I know trfel and I kinda beat the whole mayor kill thing to death in the first few pages but I just think using it as a town double lynch has a way higher chance of hitting scum than one guy taking a gut shot.
So mz here says that he trusts his own reads above everyone else in the game but then somehow twists that to having town choose the mayor kill being ideal which would give mz the benefit of mayor without the drawbacks of the responsibility to actually carry out the kill. Scummy
On March 05 2024 06:45 sandroba wrote: I mean I can see you not confident rayn is town, being maybe null on trfel and leaning scum on marv. But pushing to lynch into these 3 now is just ridiculous as town, you are sowing doubt and with no actual town goal. I'm pretty convinced koshi is scum
Is he scum or frustrated by the mason circle and trying to force a case to justify his emotions?
Mz then goes through koshi and flip flops a couple of posts about koshi and right after that does this weird defending post to Sandro where it seems like he has a really firm townread on koshi which wasn’t a natural progression. He does this earlier with dmb too, in a very unnatural way. MZ also spends most of the day tunneling copcake and writing posts that he never follows up on about the people that “thought vivax was town but didn’t want him to be mayor” However come to right after the lynch, mz posts this
On March 06 2024 12:12 CopCake wrote: In before, cake why were you so sure Tfrel was town? Only mafia can be like that 🧟♀️
I wasnt sure, but I stated why Tfrel is a good player AND it was probably his real birthday today, we saw a birthday cake in his username and he said he was unaware, so if he id mia maybe it is because of the celebration.
You wasted your vote, so you can't be mad if you are town.
I didnt wasted my vote, I was sleeping.
And spent yesterday part of the day praising Tfrel.
You saying this is unfair. And a bad player.
You put your alarm at 1 minute after deadline ?
lmfao I missed this, I had the exact same thought. I always hate when people come strolling into the thread after a lynch and talk about how bad everyone was for lynching a townie when their vote is on some rando with no real chance of dying and they weren't around at the deadline.
As if the person he’s talking about isn’t his top scumread throughout day 1 and just some rando. Again makes no sense for a townie to think like this.
On March 07 2024 11:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: OK I'm caught up. No way scum shoots me with everyone who decided it was time for the D2 MZ scum read a little early but in case someone was inspired to vigi me I've got the following for scum in order of confidence:
JSL for stuff I've previously posted about VE for completely fucking off from the game when the pressure let up from him TTS for also completely fucking off Marv based on vibes and his refusal to interact with the thread outside of the mason group. JAT (but this is a weak read since my vote on him was more because I thought he was scummier, worth a revisit for me)
I'm no longer scumreading cop but I just wish she would answer my questions about JSL
Town reads who I'm never gonna lynch are: Sandroba Vivax DP Koshi
Randomly now townreads her even though he previously said how he hates her play, there’s no explanation here as to why he flips.
Overall, it just doesn’t seem like mz has natural progressions and is not trying to find mafia
On March 07 2024 14:32 Alakaslam wrote: Oats is right on those probabilities, so yeah 1.3% or about 1 in 80.
Not 13%, that is 1 in 8 which is clearly better odds than either of them occurring.
You add them together because they are independent events.. The sole probability of me being Miller is higher than 1/80 so how does a second possible event make it lower
The reason I’m more concerned than in a normal game is that in a normal game this is a 1 for 1 so whatever but there’s a really good chance in this game that mafia manage to swindle the slam lynch next which would absolutely kill the game
On March 07 2024 16:58 Oatsmaster wrote: The reason I’m more concerned than in a normal game is that in a normal game this is a 1 for 1 so whatever but there’s a really good chance in this game that mafia manage to swindle the slam lynch next which would absolutely kill the game
No one is lynching slam while I’m alive.
You won’t be though, how would you survive tonight?
On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him.
Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check?
I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check.
They might or might not depending on the team. But I think grilling slam and sowing doubt on the check is the wrong thing to do this cycle. We could instead be discussing VE or TTS or even yourself and be planning ahead for tomorrow rather than losing this day to what is essentially WIFOM discussion about the check. I think it's easier for scum to just chum up the thread with pointless discussion on whether Slam's check is good or not. Scum don't even have to get Oats out of the check to have a succesful day, just spend it wasting time on pointless discussion rather than other potential scum.
You say this but you has literally spent the whole day discussing me so far, which indicates you don’t actually want to progress the game, you just want to park your vote on me
On March 07 2024 20:52 justanothertownie wrote: I still think Oats is quite towny btw. - also in his reaction to the check. Still 100 % the lynch today but it would not surprise me if he flipped Miller.
On March 06 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote: I don't want to misrep Oats so I will be limiting to what I consider reads to being their "votes" in this thread and if they ever directly say that someone is scummy/town. Simply "I don't like this (post)" is not enough IMO. In chronological order"
Also: "I do agree that either both [rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town."
Seem right, @Oats?
Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now Jacob more null slam town
Updates from Oats' filter since the above reads list: 2847: Voted JAT anyway despite townreading him, to give Trfel "time to play." Because of where the votes were, I am not gonna change alignments here, but it should be noted that Oats had JAT as town and Trfel as NA. 3414: "Jsl saying that koshi’s thing was a scumslip but DMB’s thing wasn’t a scumslip is super sus" 3861: "I’m just laughing at the jealous post completely accepting that he’s acting in an anti town manner because of “probability”" <- I don't think this is enough for me to assume they SR me but who knows. 3990: "For claim reactions, I think that the way jealous reacted felt very preplanned and lining up the mislynches, what do you think?" <- This is closer to an accusation IMO.* 4067: "Overall, it just doesn’t seem like mz has natural progressions and is not trying to find mafia" 4013: "If this means that you think slam is cop then yes I agree "
On March 07 2024 20:52 justanothertownie wrote: I still think Oats is quite towny btw. - also in his reaction to the check. Still 100 % the lynch today but it would not surprise me if he flipped Miller.
?? What is this post?
I think it is rather self-explanatory?
Yes I can read? It sounds like you are prepping for my flip
On March 06 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote: I don't want to misrep Oats so I will be limiting to what I consider reads to being their "votes" in this thread and if they ever directly say that someone is scummy/town. Simply "I don't like this (post)" is not enough IMO. In chronological order"
Also: "I do agree that either both [rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town."
Seem right, @Oats?
Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now Jacob more null slam town
Updates from Oats' filter since the above reads list: 2847: Voted JAT anyway despite townreading him, to give Trfel "time to play." Because of where the votes were, I am not gonna change alignments here, but it should be noted that Oats had JAT as town and Trfel as NA. 3414: "Jsl saying that koshi’s thing was a scumslip but DMB’s thing wasn’t a scumslip is super sus" 3861: "I’m just laughing at the jealous post completely accepting that he’s acting in an anti town manner because of “probability”" <- I don't think this is enough for me to assume they SR me but who knows. 3990: "For claim reactions, I think that the way jealous reacted felt very preplanned and lining up the mislynches, what do you think?" <- This is closer to an accusation IMO.* 4067: "Overall, it just doesn’t seem like mz has natural progressions and is not trying to find mafia" 4013: "If this means that you think slam is cop then yes I agree "
On March 06 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote: I don't want to misrep Oats so I will be limiting to what I consider reads to being their "votes" in this thread and if they ever directly say that someone is scummy/town. Simply "I don't like this (post)" is not enough IMO. In chronological order"
Also: "I do agree that either both [rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town."
Seem right, @Oats?
Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now Jacob more null slam town
Updates from Oats' filter since the above reads list: 2847: Voted JAT anyway despite townreading him, to give Trfel "time to play." Because of where the votes were, I am not gonna change alignments here, but it should be noted that Oats had JAT as town and Trfel as NA. 3414: "Jsl saying that koshi’s thing was a scumslip but DMB’s thing wasn’t a scumslip is super sus" 3861: "I’m just laughing at the jealous post completely accepting that he’s acting in an anti town manner because of “probability”" <- I don't think this is enough for me to assume they SR me but who knows. 3990: "For claim reactions, I think that the way jealous reacted felt very preplanned and lining up the mislynches, what do you think?" <- This is closer to an accusation IMO.* 4067: "Overall, it just doesn’t seem like mz has natural progressions and is not trying to find mafia" 4013: "If this means that you think slam is cop then yes I agree "
Scum: JAT Meapak_Ziphh Jacob ToTheStars VE DMB CopCake
Can you elaborate on the above changes? Old positions crossed out, new positions should be accurate.
On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote: How did you get jat is town from my filter
From this, quoted above in response to the original list:
Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now
Oh that was night wifom, he’s definitely scum
Alright. Also found your TTS reasoning above, so we can skip that one.
1. I'm guessing Jacob town because of the role claim, correct? 2. Why is JAT scum? 3. And why is CopCake town?
I really don’t like the way he was absolving himself of responsibility on day 1 and sheeping marv wholesale while claiming marv wasn’t a townread for him. Today hes said twice now about the check possibly being altered but he’s seems to have said it just to say it without fully considering what the options are
On March 06 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote: I don't want to misrep Oats so I will be limiting to what I consider reads to being their "votes" in this thread and if they ever directly say that someone is scummy/town. Simply "I don't like this (post)" is not enough IMO. In chronological order"
Also: "I do agree that either both [rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town."
Seem right, @Oats?
Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now Jacob more null slam town
Updates from Oats' filter since the above reads list: 2847: Voted JAT anyway despite townreading him, to give Trfel "time to play." Because of where the votes were, I am not gonna change alignments here, but it should be noted that Oats had JAT as town and Trfel as NA. 3414: "Jsl saying that koshi’s thing was a scumslip but DMB’s thing wasn’t a scumslip is super sus" 3861: "I’m just laughing at the jealous post completely accepting that he’s acting in an anti town manner because of “probability”" <- I don't think this is enough for me to assume they SR me but who knows. 3990: "For claim reactions, I think that the way jealous reacted felt very preplanned and lining up the mislynches, what do you think?" <- This is closer to an accusation IMO.* 4067: "Overall, it just doesn’t seem like mz has natural progressions and is not trying to find mafia" 4013: "If this means that you think slam is cop then yes I agree "
On March 06 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote: I don't want to misrep Oats so I will be limiting to what I consider reads to being their "votes" in this thread and if they ever directly say that someone is scummy/town. Simply "I don't like this (post)" is not enough IMO. In chronological order"
Also: "I do agree that either both [rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town."
Seem right, @Oats?
Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now Jacob more null slam town
Updates from Oats' filter since the above reads list: 2847: Voted JAT anyway despite townreading him, to give Trfel "time to play." Because of where the votes were, I am not gonna change alignments here, but it should be noted that Oats had JAT as town and Trfel as NA. 3414: "Jsl saying that koshi’s thing was a scumslip but DMB’s thing wasn’t a scumslip is super sus" 3861: "I’m just laughing at the jealous post completely accepting that he’s acting in an anti town manner because of “probability”" <- I don't think this is enough for me to assume they SR me but who knows. 3990: "For claim reactions, I think that the way jealous reacted felt very preplanned and lining up the mislynches, what do you think?" <- This is closer to an accusation IMO.* 4067: "Overall, it just doesn’t seem like mz has natural progressions and is not trying to find mafia" 4013: "If this means that you think slam is cop then yes I agree "
Scum: JAT Meapak_Ziphh Jacob ToTheStars VE DMB CopCake
Can you elaborate on the above changes? Old positions crossed out, new positions should be accurate.
On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote: How did you get jat is town from my filter
From this, quoted above in response to the original list:
Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now
Oh that was night wifom, he’s definitely scum
Alright. Also found your TTS reasoning above, so we can skip that one.
1. I'm guessing Jacob town because of the role claim, correct? 2. Why is JAT scum? 3. And why is CopCake town?
I really don’t like the way he was absolving himself of responsibility on day 1 and sheeping marv wholesale while claiming marv wasn’t a townread for him. Today hes said twice now about the check possibly being altered but he’s seems to have said it just to say it without fully considering what the options are
There are no options, Oats. If you are town you have been very unfortunate. Or slam is mafia, which I think is very unlikely. In each case, the correct play is always to lynch you today.
On March 06 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote: I don't want to misrep Oats so I will be limiting to what I consider reads to being their "votes" in this thread and if they ever directly say that someone is scummy/town. Simply "I don't like this (post)" is not enough IMO. In chronological order"
Also: "I do agree that either both [rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town."
Seem right, @Oats?
Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now Jacob more null slam town
Updates from Oats' filter since the above reads list: 2847: Voted JAT anyway despite townreading him, to give Trfel "time to play." Because of where the votes were, I am not gonna change alignments here, but it should be noted that Oats had JAT as town and Trfel as NA. 3414: "Jsl saying that koshi’s thing was a scumslip but DMB’s thing wasn’t a scumslip is super sus" 3861: "I’m just laughing at the jealous post completely accepting that he’s acting in an anti town manner because of “probability”" <- I don't think this is enough for me to assume they SR me but who knows. 3990: "For claim reactions, I think that the way jealous reacted felt very preplanned and lining up the mislynches, what do you think?" <- This is closer to an accusation IMO.* 4067: "Overall, it just doesn’t seem like mz has natural progressions and is not trying to find mafia" 4013: "If this means that you think slam is cop then yes I agree "
Scum: JAT Meapak_Ziphh Jacob ToTheStars VE DMB CopCake
Can you elaborate on the above changes? Old positions crossed out, new positions should be accurate.
On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote: How did you get jat is town from my filter
From this, quoted above in response to the original list:
Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now
Oh that was night wifom, he’s definitely scum
Alright. Also found your TTS reasoning above, so we can skip that one.
1. I'm guessing Jacob town because of the role claim, correct? 2. Why is JAT scum? 3. And why is CopCake town?
What do you think about my MZ post and dmb?
It felt like a reactionary post because of their math/slamming the CopCake x Alakaslam line of discussion, like you got mad because they did that and messed up the % chances so you latched onto them for it.
Like you, I wasn't thrilled about their Day 1 play, but it's also Day 1 stuff so I'm more willing to write it off when there were people I was more interested in looking into. I also agreed with you that I wanted them to elaborate on their new reads more, particularly the TRs. Without getting more elaboration I find it hard to evaluate how natural the progression is, but I do see your point and will keep an eye out. I also think that they weren't really active/trying to find mafia but they also at least gave a reason for it, as opposed to some other people.
I agree that there is something worth digging into, I just don't think I feel as strongly about it as you seem to at this specific moment.
RE: DMB, I didn't like their posting almost at any point to be honest, they were one of my frontrunners for a lynch, but I think I will have to back off of this until we see how you flip because of how quickly you voted DMB after Alakaslam's reveal. Things might be clearer then.
I’m not really sure what you were trying to say with the first part unless you are saying that I saw that post and went wait wtf then filtered MZ, in which case that’s absolutely correct.
That’s fine regarding dmb.
You’ve spent a whole bunch of time looking at other peoples reads, can we get some of your reads?
On March 07 2024 01:02 Palmar wrote: I think it's possible that marv, rayn and sandroba are mafia (varying degrees of possibility) and I don't care who masoned who.
Palmar not sure if anyone asked you this but why did you ignore all the logic and reasoning behind who whispered who and why.
He really said this and still thinks it’s extremely unlikely I’m town that’s crazy
When we get the Oats flip, we will know what Slam is for sure either way.
Id really like to nip this thought in the bud right here, I firmly believe slam is really the cop and I would be extremely sad to see him get lynched after I flip
On March 08 2024 02:28 CopCake wrote: The question I have is, why keep Marv alive when he can knight white me and protect me of evil souls and went for Sandro?
I mean, I would be easier to be lynched without Marv.
When we get the Oats flip, we will know what Slam is for sure either way.
Id really like to nip this thought in the bud right here, I firmly believe slam is really the cop and I would be extremely sad to see him get lynched after I flip
If you are Unaware Miller, will it be revealed after you are lynched?
I’m assuming so but even if I flip VT, that doesn’t make slam not cop
On March 08 2024 05:20 Oatsmaster wrote: @jealous, dp posted a bunch of what happened in the whisper so far, what do you think of dp at this minute?
My opinion hasn't significantly changed. I thought he was a strong player and one of my strongest town reads. Both of those estimations went up as a result of our discussion. However, as I pointed out to him in the chat, that also makes him one of my biggest blind spots at the moment. Smart player != Most town player.
No communication for the past ~14 hours though likely due to time differences. Sent them a few questions/posts to look at foir when they get back, looking forward to hearing their thoughts on them + when they catch up, too.
On March 08 2024 05:46 Oatsmaster wrote: You are bending over backwards, behind and every which way to avoid calling me town jat even though you clearly think so, ridiculous
I literally called you towny. That was the last thing I said about your alignment.
On March 07 2024 11:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: A few things:
Slam, Vivax will work out by themselves. Caliin them mafia is completely useless.
Lynch Palmar, lynch VE. After D3 there is noone left to do that anymore and people AGAIN let them slide bewcause noone listen to dead people.
Rayn protected Slam. A (first letter of post) = doctor and his target was the first person he mentioned.
So, mafia could have tried to shoot slam if they have a vigilante. That could be the missing piece then.
Really just thinking of every possibility except me being town, even things MORE unlikely than me being town
What does that have to do with you being anything? And how did I not think of the possibility of you being town? Are you drunk?
You think it’s more likely that mafia had 3 kp n1 instead of framing me?
I feel like losing brain cells entertaining you. Why wouldn't they have 3 kp? Mafia vigilante is a role in the OP.
Why wouldn’t they have a framer? Mafia framer is a role in the OP
Framer is not likely on you though. IMO
Anyone reading slam this game would know that he was flipping his read on me over and over.
I think I was the obvious check.
My tinfoil for why slam was left unmolested is that mafia thought he was going to check me and were hoping to get a frame off on me.
I can only say what actually happened, I just don’t get why like there’s this guess of what happened that somehow is more valid than what actually happened?
On March 07 2024 11:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: A few things:
Slam, Vivax will work out by themselves. Caliin them mafia is completely useless.
Lynch Palmar, lynch VE. After D3 there is noone left to do that anymore and people AGAIN let them slide bewcause noone listen to dead people.
Rayn protected Slam. A (first letter of post) = doctor and his target was the first person he mentioned.
So, mafia could have tried to shoot slam if they have a vigilante. That could be the missing piece then.
Really just thinking of every possibility except me being town, even things MORE unlikely than me being town
What does that have to do with you being anything? And how did I not think of the possibility of you being town? Are you drunk?
You think it’s more likely that mafia had 3 kp n1 instead of framing me?
I feel like losing brain cells entertaining you. Why wouldn't they have 3 kp? Mafia vigilante is a role in the OP.
Why wouldn’t they have a framer? Mafia framer is a role in the OP
Sure, but if they have a vigilante the chance of them using it n1 is extremely high. The chance of the potential framer targeting you is extremely low.
What why? It’s at least 50% based on what slam has been saying the whole time. It’s not fucking close your eyes and pick a target
On March 08 2024 07:22 Vivax wrote: I honestly have a really good argument for why Oats isn‘t mafia actually. But it requires you to believe he‘d be good enough to think about it.
On March 08 2024 07:43 Vivax wrote: Marv is mafia, anyway.
He should be here dumping everything they discussed before his masons got killed, and taking control and he isn‘t doing either.
I‘d lynch him before Oats.
##Vote marvellosity
I’ve alluded to most of it. Rayn discord was quite quiet, the main highlight was seeing a pic from artanis’ wedding and being made to guess who is who. And talking him down off Copcake which I may or may not regret.
Sandro discord was very active. We talked about palmar, MZ, Rels, JSL (I got excited about sandro’s read but the claim seems to have scotched that). Sandro thought Koshi was very town as he aligned with him on a bunch of stuff. We talked about MZ, specifically the posts at the end of his first page of filter and the first page of 2nd filter. Sandro had said he wrote MZ off as town for a while after that. We sort of concluded it would be a ballsy scumplay but that MZ could make it. We also talked about MZ stance on town deciding the mayor lynch, sandro talked about how it was quite an old school view what MZ said about it and we left it there.
We both thought VE was scummy.
I asked sandro to talk palmar off of rayn if sandro was alive. Obviously that sort of resolved itself. And I am aware that makes it sound like I think palmar is town, but it’s more complicated than that. The act of sandro talking to palmar would have been revealing.
On March 08 2024 09:06 DarthPunk wrote: I am like 90% sure oats is town and I still think it is the right play to lynch oats.
How do you move forward from this redcheck next phase, and the next phase?
What do we do at lylo with a redcheck oats?
You all realise he is never getting night killed if he is town with a redcheck on him.
I will be having words with grack after the game about millers in this setup but nothing more to be done.
A loss is a loss, doesn’t matter when it happens. Can you actually start playing the game though, it’s getting really frustrating that all you do is talk to people about how it’s the best play to lynch me when literally there’s 1 other person that’s voting for someone that’s not me
On March 07 2024 06:11 Koshi wrote: Oats is town for the scumslip thing on Cake. In addition I like how he didn't vote Tfrel when iamp and DP went for him. Vivax is so town for keeping up with the thread. And he saw the same rage after flip from CC as I did. big oooooffff on iamp replying to tfrel on the mental health issues. That can't come from mafia iamp. Copcake seems genuine upset after the lynch. Solidifies my townread on her. Also her scumreads are people who will be killed in the next 2 nights. It will be glorious to see her posts on D3. JAT made a scumcase on my 2 scums. Good stuff.
Town!MZ would have been angered by the 2 townflips. His first post after the lynch is 2 pages further and starts with lmfo. He is a prime candidate for mafia. Rels posts read uninterested. Good case from JAT on Rels.
I'm taking it your scum read is here, bc you didn't like the way I reacted to the lynch? I was extremely frustrated with people lynching someone I had a townread on and also frustrated that I've spent most of the game playing catchup on the thread.
I feel like every time I've pointed out stuff that I view is scummy, nobody responds and when I ask people direct questions they just blow me off, Palmar not responding to the whisper is kinda the cherry on top. If you're gonna try to lynch me instead of a literal red check because I said lmfao in a post then I don't think I have anything productive to say to you to change your mind. It feels like the folks who have filtered me only do so bc they want confirmation to their assumption that I'm scum.
This sounds townie btw
What mz is describing isn’t what koshi is describing what happens. Mz doesn’t display any frustration at how the lynch occurs, he goes after jsl for swapping on to trfel which people have talked to mz about and obviously aren’t talking about now because jsl claimed.
Like that’s not at all what his posting was like after the lynch
On March 08 2024 09:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Okay here’s a short read list while I have some time Town Koshi Vivax Slam Jsl Cake Dp Marv Iamp
Mafia Dmb Mz Jat Tts VE
I can do JAT not doing TTS Of the trio marv didn‘t die so it‘s him or a Palmar kill. I agree with cop that not killing slam was vanity mafia, unless a mafia vig got foiled.
On March 08 2024 09:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Okay here’s a short read list while I have some time Town Koshi Vivax Slam Jsl Cake Dp Marv Iamp
Mafia Dmb Mz Jat Tts VE
I can do JAT not doing TTS Of the trio marv didn‘t die so it‘s him or a Palmar kill. I agree with cop that not killing slam was vanity mafia, unless a mafia vig got foiled.
I’m feeling really good about jat mafia yeah
Half the town slipped into depression for no reason, but I‘ll vote him.
Yeah sure ##unvote ##vote jat Completely don’t understand why people aren’t playing
On March 08 2024 09:06 DarthPunk wrote: I am like 90% sure oats is town and I still think it is the right play to lynch oats.
How do you move forward from this redcheck next phase, and the next phase?
What do we do at lylo with a redcheck oats?
You all realise he is never getting night killed if he is town with a redcheck on him.
I will be having words with grack after the game about millers in this setup but nothing more to be done.
A loss is a loss, doesn’t matter when it happens. Can you actually start playing the game though, it’s getting really frustrating that all you do is talk to people about how it’s the best play to lynch me when literally there’s 1 other person that’s voting for someone that’s not me
I am playing the game, I am keeping the town from being dumb.
With 8 votes, Trfel is currently set to be lynched!
Let me know if you see any votes misplaced
The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 06 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
I‘m staring at the VC under the assumption he‘s mafia and realizing that Trfel must have been high priority wagon for mafia. High concentration of potential baddies.
Is it weird that Darth ended in meatbaby?
Think he ended on trfel, not sure why vivax isn’t using the eod vote count lol
On March 08 2024 10:28 Vivax wrote: We know you didn't want to lynch JAT though. Now my correct step would be to go back and look at the why. But I think I'll just go off for now and maybe stick around to just chat.
Yeah vivax lol wtf he was pushing for jat until trfel came back
On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him.
Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check?
I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check.
BING BING BING I FOUND IT.
Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient.
On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him.
Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check?
I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check.
BING BING BING I FOUND IT.
Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient.
Who is the everyone? And why are they mafia?
You probaly for starters even though you're somehow the onlyperson to make general sense this last 12 hours. Everyone is koshi/vivax/marv/copcak/anyone not willing to lynch you. this shit is literally what I was talking about this morning and I come back and its exactly what happened.
Not Voting (6): Vivax, marvellosity, Palmar, Koshi, ToTheStars, VisceraEyes
With 10 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Given the non-voter list rn, I'm not convinced scum is just gonna roll with the red check and move on. I still think there's a chance we see someone try and make #bigplays today which is why I'm so against having this continued discussion on the slam check. Especially since there are people who have called it a good lynch and then not voted for it.
Wow, called this shit out 11 hours ago.
You ever gonna tell us who the someone is? It ain’t koshi he ain’t posting shit right now
On March 08 2024 11:33 CopCake wrote: I have a question
What is more likely to happen?
Assume I am town (I am)
- DP has a gun - Vivax JK - Slam cop - Jacob smith
In the imaginary world DP is town and I am mafia, I think it is obvious they would block DP. (Maybe)
Because then, they have a JK, cop and gunsmith free.
But i know I am town, so mafia WONT block DP,
So, if mafia considers Vivax/Slam or Jacobs actions less important, they are in dip shit because slam can get results, vivax can protect/roleblock and jacob can give guns.
So mafia definetly cant waste their roleblock on DP.
Sorry this might be written weirdly, but just assume is next night.
What happens if I am alive during the day?
:D
We should be getting a report at least from two of the three blue roles (vivax/jacob/slam)
Because mafia stopped the vig shot.
I need to stop this train of thought. 1. Jsl has no night actions, he’s a 1 shot gunsmith and he’s given it out 2. If vivax JKs slam, slam doesn’t get a check making his role useless
So mafia absolutely can use their rb on dp in this scenario
On March 08 2024 11:33 CopCake wrote: I have a question
What is more likely to happen?
Assume I am town (I am)
- DP has a gun - Vivax JK - Slam cop - Jacob smith
In the imaginary world DP is town and I am mafia, I think it is obvious they would block DP. (Maybe)
Because then, they have a JK, cop and gunsmith free.
But i know I am town, so mafia WONT block DP,
So, if mafia considers Vivax/Slam or Jacobs actions less important, they are in dip shit because slam can get results, vivax can protect/roleblock and jacob can give guns.
So mafia definetly cant waste their roleblock on DP.
Sorry this might be written weirdly, but just assume is next night.
What happens if I am alive during the day?
:D
We should be getting a report at least from two of the three blue roles (vivax/jacob/slam)
Because mafia stopped the vig shot.
I need to stop this train of thought. 1. Jsl has no night actions, he’s a 1 shot gunsmith and he’s given it out 2. If vivax JKs slam, slam doesn’t get a check making his role useless
So mafia absolutely can use their rb on dp in this scenario
Oh <~< I believed it was a every night action, nevermind
Let’s get focused here, What would you like to see from me before I get lynched. How can I help you
On March 08 2024 11:33 CopCake wrote: I have a question
What is more likely to happen?
Assume I am town (I am)
- DP has a gun - Vivax JK - Slam cop - Jacob smith
In the imaginary world DP is town and I am mafia, I think it is obvious they would block DP. (Maybe)
Because then, they have a JK, cop and gunsmith free.
But i know I am town, so mafia WONT block DP,
So, if mafia considers Vivax/Slam or Jacobs actions less important, they are in dip shit because slam can get results, vivax can protect/roleblock and jacob can give guns.
So mafia definetly cant waste their roleblock on DP.
Sorry this might be written weirdly, but just assume is next night.
What happens if I am alive during the day?
:D
We should be getting a report at least from two of the three blue roles (vivax/jacob/slam)
Because mafia stopped the vig shot.
I need to stop this train of thought. 1. Jsl has no night actions, he’s a 1 shot gunsmith and he’s given it out 2. If vivax JKs slam, slam doesn’t get a check making his role useless
So mafia absolutely can use their rb on dp in this scenario
Oh <~< I believed it was a every night action, nevermind
Let’s get focused here, What would you like to see from me before I get lynched. How can I help you
you could try to do a meta analysis of yourself.
This is my second game in the past like 7 years lol
On March 08 2024 11:33 CopCake wrote: I have a question
What is more likely to happen?
Assume I am town (I am)
- DP has a gun - Vivax JK - Slam cop - Jacob smith
In the imaginary world DP is town and I am mafia, I think it is obvious they would block DP. (Maybe)
Because then, they have a JK, cop and gunsmith free.
But i know I am town, so mafia WONT block DP,
So, if mafia considers Vivax/Slam or Jacobs actions less important, they are in dip shit because slam can get results, vivax can protect/roleblock and jacob can give guns.
So mafia definetly cant waste their roleblock on DP.
Sorry this might be written weirdly, but just assume is next night.
What happens if I am alive during the day?
:D
We should be getting a report at least from two of the three blue roles (vivax/jacob/slam)
Because mafia stopped the vig shot.
I need to stop this train of thought. 1. Jsl has no night actions, he’s a 1 shot gunsmith and he’s given it out 2. If vivax JKs slam, slam doesn’t get a check making his role useless
So mafia absolutely can use their rb on dp in this scenario
Oh <~< I believed it was a every night action, nevermind
Let’s get focused here, What would you like to see from me before I get lynched. How can I help you
I think it is better if you ask from “more experienced” players.
On March 08 2024 11:33 CopCake wrote: I have a question
What is more likely to happen?
Assume I am town (I am)
- DP has a gun - Vivax JK - Slam cop - Jacob smith
In the imaginary world DP is town and I am mafia, I think it is obvious they would block DP. (Maybe)
Because then, they have a JK, cop and gunsmith free.
But i know I am town, so mafia WONT block DP,
So, if mafia considers Vivax/Slam or Jacobs actions less important, they are in dip shit because slam can get results, vivax can protect/roleblock and jacob can give guns.
So mafia definetly cant waste their roleblock on DP.
Sorry this might be written weirdly, but just assume is next night.
What happens if I am alive during the day?
:D
We should be getting a report at least from two of the three blue roles (vivax/jacob/slam)
Because mafia stopped the vig shot.
I need to stop this train of thought. 1. Jsl has no night actions, he’s a 1 shot gunsmith and he’s given it out 2. If vivax JKs slam, slam doesn’t get a check making his role useless
So mafia absolutely can use their rb on dp in this scenario
Oh <~< I believed it was a every night action, nevermind
Let’s get focused here, What would you like to see from me before I get lynched. How can I help you
you could try to do a meta analysis of yourself.
This is my second game in the past like 7 years lol
how much does a person really change lets be honest.
I’ll see if I have the time after I finish looking at the remaining ppl that I wanna look at including dmb
On March 08 2024 11:33 CopCake wrote: I have a question
What is more likely to happen?
Assume I am town (I am)
- DP has a gun - Vivax JK - Slam cop - Jacob smith
In the imaginary world DP is town and I am mafia, I think it is obvious they would block DP. (Maybe)
Because then, they have a JK, cop and gunsmith free.
But i know I am town, so mafia WONT block DP,
So, if mafia considers Vivax/Slam or Jacobs actions less important, they are in dip shit because slam can get results, vivax can protect/roleblock and jacob can give guns.
So mafia definetly cant waste their roleblock on DP.
Sorry this might be written weirdly, but just assume is next night.
What happens if I am alive during the day?
:D
We should be getting a report at least from two of the three blue roles (vivax/jacob/slam)
Because mafia stopped the vig shot.
I need to stop this train of thought. 1. Jsl has no night actions, he’s a 1 shot gunsmith and he’s given it out 2. If vivax JKs slam, slam doesn’t get a check making his role useless
So mafia absolutely can use their rb on dp in this scenario
Oh <~< I believed it was a every night action, nevermind
Let’s get focused here, What would you like to see from me before I get lynched. How can I help you
I think it is better if you ask from “more experienced” players.
My playstyle is not exactly the best cup of tea.
I wanna know what I can provide for you lol
I think this will help town
Is Palmar mafia?
If so, did his scum buddies tried to save him?
Why not start a lynch on cake? I was a scum read at the time, only “strong” players that protected me where koshi and marv.
He has 11 pages, that’s really surprising to me tbh, again like I said earlier with rels, if I can’t remember what you posted, that’s bad.
On March 05 2024 22:48 Palmar wrote: I need Sandroba to come convince me his mason buddies aren't just mafia.
I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it.
I really don’t like this post, it has the inbuilt assumption that Sandro is town and the only other post that Palmar made preceding this about Sandro he expressed suspicion at the 3 in the Mason group. It not a natural anything. Palmar is just posting for the sake of posting.
He then comes back to this Sandro read and justifies it after the fact as if he arrived at it later on which is obviously not the case.
On March 06 2024 06:46 Palmar wrote: Marv is very, very, very likely to be mafia.
I already didn't love his stance on the Vivax thing and his tone in the thread. Then this line of thinking is really what's sealing the deal.
On March 06 2024 00:00 marvellosity wrote: Do you know why I normally tr read you Palmar?
No idea.
Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game.
Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game.
Unless....
You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread.
In your mind this is town marv coming after you?
I don't know.
I want marv to be happier, more excited, and maybe a little friendlier.
But I don't really think I can call him mafia for being lazy and boring. He does after all have his little mason society to retreat to.
Mostly, I kinda just don't care at the moment. Marv has integrity and respect for the game. He is, usually, to be counted on to continue playing past day 1, and he is good enough that he can be forced to participate usefully or die. Even if I'm kinda suspicious, or at least uncomfortable, about his alignment at the moment, it's not a productive venue for today.
Also, his reaction to me actually playing the game is going to be very interesting.
Mafia. Should be calling me bad. Isn’t. Mafia.
This isn't a valid complaint.
I'm not gonna call marv bad when he votes for me. In fact, I kinda understand why he voted for me early on. I had done very little as I was busy yesterday. Today I produced a long filter with all kinds of reads and explanations of them and that did absolutely nothing to budge his opinion on me.
I don't really know what sandroba thinks of me but he did come back and kinda changed his mind, at least moved off the scumread a little bit. But marv is dug in. He is not this certain about my alignment if he's town. There should be some doubt in him.
I actually think Oats looks a lot better for this observation
On March 06 2024 01:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I’m trying to wrap my head around this Palmar push by marv and what it means for marvs alignment. I think Palmar has been way more townie this last like 5 pages and that only seems to solidify marvs read
Like this is what I expect people to do who don't just want a kill.
I don't think marv is bad, I just think he's scum.
And if ANYONE buys this logic with me dead, that person is an infinite moron.
On March 06 2024 00:00 marvellosity wrote: Do you know why I normally tr read you Palmar?
No idea.
Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game.
Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game.
Unless....
You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread.
You’re fairly close. And those things remain consistent despite your time allowances.
And they’re absent here.
So you’re mafia.
And - i know you know I don’t push for you like this as mafia. As if you are town I am putting myself in an incredibly difficult spot when the person I know best flips town. It’s a terrible play. The only logical explanation is I am town and I think you are mafia.
You know this.
If you were town you’d be much more actively calling me stupid and all those normal things. But you’re not.
This is not true.
This read is a lotta words for calling marv scum cause bad. I mean just read it, there’s no logical consistency for why Palmar has such a strong read on Marv based on the evidence he provides
On March 06 2024 19:42 CopCake wrote: Can someone link me the infamous "DP was mafia" game?
Tbh I think dps filter is massive. So big I don't think he's ever had a filter this size before as mafia. If he's mafia he has taken it to heights since unknown.
His recent game in which he fooled grack, rayn and idk who else, oats?
Ok if you're town and you admit you suck as town, maybe listen to some experience.
DP is very good as mafia and can be mafia here.
But it's a huge game and we need to prioritize. We're not lynching people who are making sense, making good calls and leading town when we have plenty of lower hanging fruit to go after. You HAVE to be willing to be wrong to be good at town. You can always change your mind later. I was wrong so much last game and ended up back to back supporting lynch on mafia I had called town to win the game last game. And doing so I sheeped/supported people I had (wrongly) called mafia all game.
Re-evaluating based on game state is NOT A BAD THING. Killing a town leader with a huge filter and good takes is just tinfoil hat bad play. No need to be a hero when there's administrative tasks to be finished first. If DP is mafia we'll cross that bridge when we get there. You're not using your time efficiently by chasing him at the moment. We'll cross that bridge when we get there.
People are really afraid of "getting fooled" by good mafia, but the reality it's so much worse to get fooled by bad mafia. If let's say... TTS and DP are both mafia, I'd much rather be fooled by DP than TTS.
This is just a classic mafia advice post that pushes nothing but appears to be helpful by telling cake to move along
On March 07 2024 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: I entirely dislike that you even have a thought in your head at any point of the game that me and marv are mafia together (which you had as per your posts). And i think it makes you mafia.
Again, I understand you disliking it, but now that I've reminded you that these kind of associative reads don't really matter to me as town, doesn't that change your stance?
This is after Palmar expresses a scumread on rayn, during their conversation. Does this sound like someone who thinks that the person he’s talking to is town? I don’t think so and I think it’s clear he tried to attempt to distance from the flip.
There’s just nothing from day 2 besides using bad math to justify lynching me, no engagement just checking boxes.
This was longer than I thought it was but yeah this is where my current read on Palmar is.
@copcake from what I can tell from the voting around Palmar going from lead lynch to no votes was marv dropping his read along with trfel getting wagoned on but it’s a mixed bag with slam and vivax on that wagon too so I’m not really sure if there was mafia involvement
On March 08 2024 11:33 CopCake wrote: I have a question
What is more likely to happen?
Assume I am town (I am)
- DP has a gun - Vivax JK - Slam cop - Jacob smith
In the imaginary world DP is town and I am mafia, I think it is obvious they would block DP. (Maybe)
Because then, they have a JK, cop and gunsmith free.
But i know I am town, so mafia WONT block DP,
So, if mafia considers Vivax/Slam or Jacobs actions less important, they are in dip shit because slam can get results, vivax can protect/roleblock and jacob can give guns.
So mafia definetly cant waste their roleblock on DP.
Sorry this might be written weirdly, but just assume is next night.
What happens if I am alive during the day?
:D
We should be getting a report at least from two of the three blue roles (vivax/jacob/slam)
Because mafia stopped the vig shot.
I need to stop this train of thought. 1. Jsl has no night actions, he’s a 1 shot gunsmith and he’s given it out 2. If vivax JKs slam, slam doesn’t get a check making his role useless
So mafia absolutely can use their rb on dp in this scenario
Oh <~< I believed it was a every night action, nevermind
Let’s get focused here, What would you like to see from me before I get lynched. How can I help you
you could try to do a meta analysis of yourself.
This is my second game in the past like 7 years lol
how much does a person really change lets be honest.
Well you keep moaning at me :p
Hey marv thoughts on palmar case when you see it pls
On March 08 2024 07:43 Vivax wrote: Marv is mafia, anyway.
He should be here dumping everything they discussed before his masons got killed, and taking control and he isn‘t doing either.
I‘d lynch him before Oats.
##Vote marvellosity
I’ve alluded to most of it. Rayn discord was quite quiet, the main highlight was seeing a pic from artanis’ wedding and being made to guess who is who. And talking him down off Copcake which I may or may not regret.
Sandro discord was very active. We talked about palmar, MZ, Rels, JSL (I got excited about sandro’s read but the claim seems to have scotched that). Sandro thought Koshi was very town as he aligned with him on a bunch of stuff. We talked about MZ, specifically the posts at the end of his first page of filter and the first page of 2nd filter. Sandro had said he wrote MZ off as town for a while after that. We sort of concluded it would be a ballsy scumplay but that MZ could make it. We also talked about MZ stance on town deciding the mayor lynch, sandro talked about how it was quite an old school view what MZ said about it and we left it there.
We both thought VE was scummy.
I asked sandro to talk palmar off of rayn if sandro was alive. Obviously that sort of resolved itself. And I am aware that makes it sound like I think palmar is town, but it’s more complicated than that. The act of sandro talking to palmar would have been revealing.
Yes it’s pretty good. The top point was something me and sandro discussed quite a bit. I hadn’t picked up on the CC read progression thing you talked about. The Koshi stuff I’m not so sure
What do you mean about not so sure on the koshi stuff?
Sorry this might be written weirdly, but just assume is next night.
What happens if I am alive during the day?
:D
We should be getting a report at least from two of the three blue roles (vivax/jacob/slam)
Because mafia stopped the vig shot.
I need to stop this train of thought. 1. Jsl has no night actions, he’s a 1 shot gunsmith and he’s given it out 2. If vivax JKs slam, slam doesn’t get a check making his role useless
So mafia absolutely can use their rb on dp in this scenario
Oh <~< I believed it was a every night action, nevermind
Let’s get focused here, What would you like to see from me before I get lynched. How can I help you
you could try to do a meta analysis of yourself.
This is my second game in the past like 7 years lol
how much does a person really change lets be honest.
Well you keep moaning at me :p
Hey marv thoughts on palmar case when you see it pls
Meh. If he’s mafia I don’t really think it’s because of stuff in your post. For example he absolutely does the ‘explain the game’ thing when he’s town, it’s NAI. I also think he’d talk to rayn like that and doesn’t mean he’s assuming he’s town.
The fact he’s not here is shitty though.
Is there anything that you think that makes him overtly town though?
On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote: Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.
So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.
If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.
You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread.
CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1.
Koshi talk to me, where are you at right now
You have to die because I am too time constrained to reread and get invested. I am quite clueless this game. Those names I posted earlier are my choices but I dont have good reasons. It's more PoE. MZ I think is mafia. Really think he is faking activity when he is here. And he has some towntells he didnt show. (Rage after lynch) Rels is playing a safe scumgame and will be very hard to lynch. Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc.
My townreads are pretty solid I think. (Yes I realise my only towncase this game was on a redcheck)
So VE, Dmb, Palmar left (cuz rayn)
And then TTS who could be anything.
Jacob is uncced yes. Unfortunate you can’t play but it is what it is
On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote: Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.
So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.
If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.
You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread.
CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1.
Koshi talk to me, where are you at right now
You have to die because I am too time constrained to reread and get invested. I am quite clueless this game. Those names I posted earlier are my choices but I dont have good reasons. It's more PoE. MZ I think is mafia. Really think he is faking activity when he is here. And he has some towntells he didnt show. (Rage after lynch) Rels is playing a safe scumgame and will be very hard to lynch. Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc.
My townreads are pretty solid I think. (Yes I realise my only towncase this game was on a redcheck)
So VE, Dmb, Palmar left (cuz rayn)
And then TTS who could be anything.
Just saying your reads are almost exactly the same as mine lol
Hmm so I took a gander through dmbs filter and I actually don’t see much mafia motivation there at this point. I can see what she was trying to say d1 now near the lynch and it makes sense with her not having 2 great candidates to pick
On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote: Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.
So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.
If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.
You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread.
CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1.
Koshi talk to me, where are you at right now
You have to die because I am too time constrained to reread and get invested. I am quite clueless this game. Those names I posted earlier are my choices but I dont have good reasons. It's more PoE. MZ I think is mafia. Really think he is faking activity when he is here. And he has some towntells he didnt show. (Rage after lynch) Rels is playing a safe scumgame and will be very hard to lynch. Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc.
My townreads are pretty solid I think. (Yes I realise my only towncase this game was on a redcheck)
So VE, Dmb, Palmar left (cuz rayn)
And then TTS who could be anything.
Just saying your reads are almost exactly the same as mine lol
Ok, I am a bit behind so cant factcheck but I am voting VE. I hope people stop being stupid and dont lynch you.
Me too
Here’s my read list
On March 08 2024 09:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Okay here’s a short read list while I have some time Town Koshi Vivax Slam Jsl Cake Dp Marv Iamp
Mafia Dmb Mz Jat Tts VE
Although I’d move dmv out of mafia and put Palmar in
On March 08 2024 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Hmm so I took a gander through dmbs filter and I actually don’t see much mafia motivation there at this point. I can see what she was trying to say d1 now near the lynch and it makes sense with her not having 2 great candidates to pick
Oh no. nope. No. Don't do that to me. At this point you know you can’t change the lynch. If you flip mafia it would looked better for me, because you didn't stop voting me even like after nk and slam calling out his announcement about you, you just post #votedmb. And now you know you getting lynched and we will see that you are scum. You changing your mind about me so it looked like it was M vs M here. Why me? Could you not do that shit do somebody else?
? Once I saw the red check I knew it would be very difficult
On March 07 2024 14:43 Oatsmaster wrote: Okay so I was quoting a bunch of mz posts but I fucked up somewhere and the post is gone. Anyway let me try again
On March 05 2024 00:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 18:28 marvellosity wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:28 DarthPunk wrote: If we vote for the tip top town to be mayor, why can't we trust them with a vig shot?
Sure make suggestions and stuff, but I know if I was the mayor I am just going to back myself, because I know I am town and can make a smart shot.
But I don't know if you're town and I'm still not trusting my tip top town with a shot on D1.
Sorry MZ, you’d trust a collective town with all sorts of levels of play, and containing multiple mafia, to make a better choice than your best town read?
On D1? Yes. Outside of people like Ver or Ace or incognito, I don't think there's anyone on TL who I'd trust over my own reads on D1. I know trfel and I kinda beat the whole mayor kill thing to death in the first few pages but I just think using it as a town double lynch has a way higher chance of hitting scum than one guy taking a gut shot.
So mz here says that he trusts his own reads above everyone else in the game but then somehow twists that to having town choose the mayor kill being ideal which would give mz the benefit of mayor without the drawbacks of the responsibility to actually carry out the kill. Scummy
I don't think this is alignment indicative, I agree with what sandro? says about this being an old-school approach, and I can recall other townies suggesting this in older games.
On March 05 2024 06:45 sandroba wrote: I mean I can see you not confident rayn is town, being maybe null on trfel and leaning scum on marv. But pushing to lynch into these 3 now is just ridiculous as town, you are sowing doubt and with no actual town goal. I'm pretty convinced koshi is scum
Is he scum or frustrated by the mason circle and trying to force a case to justify his emotions?
Mz then goes through koshi and flip flops a couple of posts about koshi and right after that does this weird defending post to Sandro where it seems like he has a really firm townread on koshi which wasn’t a natural progression. He does this earlier with dmb too, in a very unnatural way.
I think town are more likely to be fluid in their reads, I can see what Oats is saying here but I don't agree it is scummy, and it didn't really strike me as unnatural over being open minded.
On March 07 2024 14:43 Oatsmaster wrote: MZ also spends most of the day tunneling copcake and writing posts that he never follows up on about the people that “thought vivax was town but didn’t want him to be mayor” However come to right after the lynch, mz posts this
On March 06 2024 12:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 06 2024 12:15 Vivax wrote:
On March 06 2024 12:14 CopCake wrote:
On March 06 2024 12:12 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 06 2024 12:12 CopCake wrote: In before, cake why were you so sure Tfrel was town? Only mafia can be like that 🧟♀️
I wasnt sure, but I stated why Tfrel is a good player AND it was probably his real birthday today, we saw a birthday cake in his username and he said he was unaware, so if he id mia maybe it is because of the celebration.
You wasted your vote, so you can't be mad if you are town.
I didnt wasted my vote, I was sleeping.
And spent yesterday part of the day praising Tfrel.
You saying this is unfair. And a bad player.
You put your alarm at 1 minute after deadline ?
lmfao I missed this, I had the exact same thought. I always hate when people come strolling into the thread after a lynch and talk about how bad everyone was for lynching a townie when their vote is on some rando with no real chance of dying and they weren't around at the deadline.
As if the person he’s talking about isn’t his top scumread throughout day 1 and just some rando. Again makes no sense for a townie to think like this.
Pretty sure he is mistaking Vivax for Cake in this point.
On March 07 2024 11:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: OK I'm caught up. No way scum shoots me with everyone who decided it was time for the D2 MZ scum read a little early but in case someone was inspired to vigi me I've got the following for scum in order of confidence:
JSL for stuff I've previously posted about VE for completely fucking off from the game when the pressure let up from him TTS for also completely fucking off Marv based on vibes and his refusal to interact with the thread outside of the mason group. JAT (but this is a weak read since my vote on him was more because I thought he was scummier, worth a revisit for me)
I'm no longer scumreading cop but I just wish she would answer my questions about JSL
Town reads who I'm never gonna lynch are: Sandroba Vivax DP Koshi
Randomly now townreads her even though he previously said how he hates her play, there’s no explanation here as to why he flips.
Overall, it just doesn’t seem like mz has natural progressions and is not trying to find mafia
I don't think this means he is town reading cake. He just has her as null rather than scum cause it seemed like JSL pinged him hard at the time, again, reevaluating reads isn't scummy to me.
Regarding your last point, why would jsl doing something completely unrelated affect MZs read on cake? It’s not an associative read by any means??
Regarding the previous quote, MZ says “I always hate when people come strolling in after a lynch and talk about how bad everyone was for lynching a townie” obviously he’s talking about cake here?!? Why would he be talking about vivax wtf
a post that really pinged me day 1 was where he asked for a list of reads from dmb but never followed up on that list at any point of time which is bad
On March 06 2024 13:42 CopCake wrote: I came with some conclusions
Town: Koshi Slam Rels Marv MZ Oats
Feels town VE
Mafia DP Iamp Vivax
The rest are wild cards
I disagree with this enough for it to be town
What is wrong with it sweet pie?
I’d be shocked if iamp or Vivax are mafia. Wouldn’t be shocked by DP but I don’t think so either
What about my town pile?
I’m not sure about Rels or MZ.
I think Rels felt genuine and interested, i think he could have easily blended with people if he was mafia.
You think he’s had an impact?
WTF is this standard? When is the last time I've had an impact D1? I hate those Fuck this is annoying me. I feel like I'm being set up as the next lynch. Sick daughter, maybe getting laid off so I have a bunch of interviews coming up for which I have to prepare, but I have the feeling I'll have to devote my evenings to analyze the game and the days to scream at people like in the old days just to not be the default lynch
This feels overly defensive and unnecessary at this point. I think there were only 2-3 people even talking about him too. Just too much here.
D2 slam claims and rels posts this
On March 07 2024 12:21 Rels wrote: nice
I believe Slam's claim, it just makes sense. Worst case, we trade 1:1
Miller chance is pretty low too
##Vote Oatsmaster
I brought it up earlier but I want to bring it up again, he’s setting up for lynching slam after I flip green which just seems really throwaway
Okay I posted that too early but I mean the rest of his day 2 is just meh Oh I did find where he references the dmb list again
On March 08 2024 13:52 Rels wrote: Not a fan of DMB after slogging through her filter.
I don't like that she spends soooo much time talking almost only about Vivax or the way she plays in the abstract early D1. I already didn't like it at the time D1, which prompted my push for a list from her. That list is pretty bad IMO - the only substanciated read is, again, on Vivax. The case on DP contains nothing that makes him scum. The dumbtell on D2 looks very forced.
I know she was scumread a lot as town though so I will need to verify if those points were present in her town game. Not tonight though
It’s weird that he only found it when he looked through her filte
On March 09 2024 03:46 Koshi wrote: Oats got to say. You did everything right. If people complain about effort in future games I will post your performance. Solid through entire game and this town has no balls. Yesterday I was proud to be in this town. Today I am ashamed.
Skimmed through jealous’ filter and I think I’m just more annoyed at the playstyle than anything that actually makes him scummy so he’s in the town pile
Id say that my mafia meta is that I like to attack everyone and constantly be poking the same person/tunneling especially if it’s not necessarily the games consensus. I also just drop off in activity as the game goes on.
My town meta I like to try and get some good townreads going to play off of and generally am able to view the game more holistically than as mafia.
On March 09 2024 05:28 JacobStrangelove wrote: Also fuck didn't realise you were actually projecting an oats check. This makes framer more likely yet not confirmed.
That’s what I’m trying to say this whole day regarding framer likelihood
On March 09 2024 04:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Skimmed through jealous’ filter and I think I’m just more annoyed at the playstyle than anything that actually makes him scummy so he’s in the town pile
How would you characterize my play style? What annoys you?
The part where you go through and summerize people’s votes/reads as a whole and then kinda go off that instead of having specific posts.
Feels too structured to me but I understand that people have different play styles
On March 08 2024 15:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Alright Palmar:
He has 11 pages, that’s really surprising to me tbh, again like I said earlier with rels, if I can’t remember what you posted, that’s bad.
On March 05 2024 22:48 Palmar wrote: I need Sandroba to come convince me his mason buddies aren't just mafia.
I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it.
I really don’t like this post, it has the inbuilt assumption that Sandro is town and the only other post that Palmar made preceding this about Sandro he expressed suspicion at the 3 in the Mason group. It not a natural anything. Palmar is just posting for the sake of posting.
He then comes back to this Sandro read and justifies it after the fact as if he arrived at it later on which is obviously not the case.
On March 06 2024 06:46 Palmar wrote: Marv is very, very, very likely to be mafia.
I already didn't love his stance on the Vivax thing and his tone in the thread. Then this line of thinking is really what's sealing the deal.
On March 06 2024 00:13 marvellosity wrote:
On March 06 2024 00:12 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 00:09 iamperfection wrote:
On March 06 2024 00:07 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 00:00 marvellosity wrote: Do you know why I normally tr read you Palmar?
No idea.
Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game.
Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game.
Unless....
You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread.
In your mind this is town marv coming after you?
I don't know.
I want marv to be happier, more excited, and maybe a little friendlier.
But I don't really think I can call him mafia for being lazy and boring. He does after all have his little mason society to retreat to.
Mostly, I kinda just don't care at the moment. Marv has integrity and respect for the game. He is, usually, to be counted on to continue playing past day 1, and he is good enough that he can be forced to participate usefully or die. Even if I'm kinda suspicious, or at least uncomfortable, about his alignment at the moment, it's not a productive venue for today.
Also, his reaction to me actually playing the game is going to be very interesting.
Mafia. Should be calling me bad. Isn’t. Mafia.
This isn't a valid complaint.
I'm not gonna call marv bad when he votes for me. In fact, I kinda understand why he voted for me early on. I had done very little as I was busy yesterday. Today I produced a long filter with all kinds of reads and explanations of them and that did absolutely nothing to budge his opinion on me.
I don't really know what sandroba thinks of me but he did come back and kinda changed his mind, at least moved off the scumread a little bit. But marv is dug in. He is not this certain about my alignment if he's town. There should be some doubt in him.
I actually think Oats looks a lot better for this observation
On March 06 2024 01:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I’m trying to wrap my head around this Palmar push by marv and what it means for marvs alignment. I think Palmar has been way more townie this last like 5 pages and that only seems to solidify marvs read
Like this is what I expect people to do who don't just want a kill.
I don't think marv is bad, I just think he's scum.
And if ANYONE buys this logic with me dead, that person is an infinite moron.
On March 06 2024 00:10 marvellosity wrote:
On March 06 2024 00:07 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 00:00 marvellosity wrote: Do you know why I normally tr read you Palmar?
No idea.
Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game.
Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game.
Unless....
You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread.
You’re fairly close. And those things remain consistent despite your time allowances.
And they’re absent here.
So you’re mafia.
And - i know you know I don’t push for you like this as mafia. As if you are town I am putting myself in an incredibly difficult spot when the person I know best flips town. It’s a terrible play. The only logical explanation is I am town and I think you are mafia.
You know this.
If you were town you’d be much more actively calling me stupid and all those normal things. But you’re not.
This is not true.
This read is a lotta words for calling marv scum cause bad. I mean just read it, there’s no logical consistency for why Palmar has such a strong read on Marv based on the evidence he provides
On March 06 2024 19:53 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 19:47 CopCake wrote:
On March 06 2024 19:44 JacobStrangelove wrote:
On March 06 2024 19:42 CopCake wrote: Can someone link me the infamous "DP was mafia" game?
Tbh I think dps filter is massive. So big I don't think he's ever had a filter this size before as mafia. If he's mafia he has taken it to heights since unknown.
His recent game in which he fooled grack, rayn and idk who else, oats?
Ok if you're town and you admit you suck as town, maybe listen to some experience.
DP is very good as mafia and can be mafia here.
But it's a huge game and we need to prioritize. We're not lynching people who are making sense, making good calls and leading town when we have plenty of lower hanging fruit to go after. You HAVE to be willing to be wrong to be good at town. You can always change your mind later. I was wrong so much last game and ended up back to back supporting lynch on mafia I had called town to win the game last game. And doing so I sheeped/supported people I had (wrongly) called mafia all game.
Re-evaluating based on game state is NOT A BAD THING. Killing a town leader with a huge filter and good takes is just tinfoil hat bad play. No need to be a hero when there's administrative tasks to be finished first. If DP is mafia we'll cross that bridge when we get there. You're not using your time efficiently by chasing him at the moment. We'll cross that bridge when we get there.
People are really afraid of "getting fooled" by good mafia, but the reality it's so much worse to get fooled by bad mafia. If let's say... TTS and DP are both mafia, I'd much rather be fooled by DP than TTS.
This is just a classic mafia advice post that pushes nothing but appears to be helpful by telling cake to move along
On March 07 2024 00:56 Palmar wrote:
On March 07 2024 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: I entirely dislike that you even have a thought in your head at any point of the game that me and marv are mafia together (which you had as per your posts). And i think it makes you mafia.
Again, I understand you disliking it, but now that I've reminded you that these kind of associative reads don't really matter to me as town, doesn't that change your stance?
This is after Palmar expresses a scumread on rayn, during their conversation. Does this sound like someone who thinks that the person he’s talking to is town? I don’t think so and I think it’s clear he tried to attempt to distance from the flip.
There’s just nothing from day 2 besides using bad math to justify lynching me, no engagement just checking boxes.
This was longer than I thought it was but yeah this is where my current read on Palmar is.
@copcake from what I can tell from the voting around Palmar going from lead lynch to no votes was marv dropping his read along with trfel getting wagoned on but it’s a mixed bag with slam and vivax on that wagon too so I’m not really sure if there was mafia involvement
OMGUS
I mean the rayn case made me laugh thanks for that
On March 09 2024 06:41 Palmar wrote: But to answer, the reason I said sandroba is that at the time he was the one of them not wanting to kill me.
Also marv is bad if he thinks I'm mafia and I'm town. It's a pretty universal tell. All that marv-posting was just made in case I died. It can be safely ignored.
Also, bad Oats for calling me scum for being nice. I'm really working hard on being nice to people in mafia games, and I actually have some pretty strong opinions on how to approach the game. I love spreading the word on these.
And the last point is quite simple, I am actually very surprised that rayn doesn't change his read after being reminded. This is just me trying to beat into his thick skull that he should know how I approach scumhunting. But my strength falters... the skull is too thick.
This means there's like... 0.3% chance a framer hits the same target the cop checks (but obviously intiution skews this a lot) it's still the best play to do it like that.
I don’t mind getting lynched but not because of math this bad…
Slam checking me probability is 1 because it happened.
So the only probability in play is whether there is a framer and whether the framer landed on me. Consertively let’s say the probability of a framer existing in this game is 0.9 and the probability of the framer landing on me randomly is 0.07 so the total probability is 0.064 which is 6.5% MINIMUM. Now if you bump the probability of a framer up to 1 and consertively say slam had 4 possible cop checks it becomes 25% that I got framed.
Miller is not really consequential I agree at this point it’s like a 8% chance it’s on me if it even exists
On March 09 2024 07:17 Oatsmaster wrote: I don’t think it’s really unluckiest town in the world that I got framed when the cop was 100% outing what targets he was gonna check lol
Well yeah, because then we're unlucky our cop is a moron.
This means there's like... 0.3% chance a framer hits the same target the cop checks (but obviously intiution skews this a lot) it's still the best play to do it like that.
I don’t mind getting lynched but not because of math this bad…
Slam checking me probability is 1 because it happened.
So the only probability in play is whether there is a framer and whether the framer landed on me. Consertively let’s say the probability of a framer existing in this game is 0.9 and the probability of the framer landing on me randomly is 0.07 so the total probability is 0.064 which is 6.5% MINIMUM. Now if you bump the probability of a framer up to 1 and consertively say slam had 4 possible cop checks it becomes 25% that I got framed.
Miller is not really consequential I agree at this point it’s like a 8% chance it’s on me if it even exists
I mean slam could also just be lying and he's mafia happily going 1 for 1, we already have a ton of blue roles running around.
[b]But the math isn't bad. You have to consider the possibility of "Oats gets framed, Slam checks marv" or something. From my vantage point that is an entirely plausible scenario, because I cannot control Slam.[b]
This is btw why framer is a terrible role. It's so useless like 99% of the time and randomly swings 1% of games way out of whack. It really shouldn't exist.
I mean sure for a future hypothetical scenario, but the current real scenario is he did check me so the probabilities will account for that.
I don’t think the framer role is that swingy, the whole point is to not make the game follow the cop which isn’t fun for anyone. The cop checks just becomes another data point in the analysis but it allows more skill based play.
On March 08 2024 11:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: The egos people have in this game to sit here and try to talk around probability is absurd. Someone doing it is scum.
If we wanna talk more math that I'm bad at, it's not 1/19 chance of Slam's check vs 1/19 check of a framer (which tbh is what I'm assuming happened), it's 1/slam's reads vs 1/slams read's since he claimed so scum had an idea of where he'd be looking.
Koshi's post about this earlier today was really good on this, I think I've quoted it twice now.
Haven’t you called people not voting for oats mafia for the whole phase?
Also this is exactly what I was looking for by voting palmer I'm not dumb wanted to see who else would jump ship when oats flips scum to find others. If not scum then jumping ship might be town behaviour
Slam: I think the abstract sort of confusion that slam has operated in for the majority of the 2 days is very townie and he has expressed very clear opinions and reads of people so I absolutely think he’s lock town. Not to mention cop etc
DP: he’s been actively pushing to lynch me this entire cycle which I don’t think mafia would do here, much safer to just go with the flow and not actively keep pushing. He’s also started actually giving reads this latter half of the day and scumhunting which again, doesn’t make sense for mafia to do.
Iamp: very townie pushes that he felt invested in and actually wanted to see the dead people. Kinda the reverse of dp, he’s been hard on not lynching me here which again makes no sense for mafia to do because it’s super easy to tmi and mess up especially with the day starting the way it did with everyone believing it
Marv: I was hesitant early on day 1 when he was playing mostly in the dm with rayn but I think at this point the Palmar push was good and I see absolutely no reason mafia!marv discloses that rayn told him who he was targeting with his night action. I do also like that he called out mz’s nonsense today.
Cake: this is a read I’ve been flip flopping throughout the game but at this point I’m settled on her being firmly town, I think the jealous thing especially that happened today is townie because it only draws attention to her and it didn’t feel manufactured or plannned.
Koshi: ngl this read has been fading throughout today. The mid part of day 1 I had a really solid townread on him but I don’t like that his activity has dived so much. However I do like that he’s not voting for me so he’s still firmly town.
Jealous: Said earlier today but I think that his scumhunting efforts have been good and he feels like he wants to solve the game and find the mafia.
DMB: same as the last post about her, none of what she’s doing makes sense as mafia, I’m treating the dumb telling as nai and I mean the dp push is misguided but it feels like she cares
Palmar: slow start but he’s posted a fair bunch today. I don’t think mafia Palmar has to capacity do that rayn post and I also don’t think mafia Palmar gets off of me onto VE.
Mafia Rels: the way that rels has approached today is atrocious. He’s just come in here, stuck his vote on me and left. This is in addition to his day 1 malaise and overreaction in the night.
Mz: Not actually progressing through reads well. The way he approached his cake read was fully odd and not natural with that night post seemingly not to realize that he was literally complaining about his top scum read. I fully expect him to end up on me before the day ends.
Jat: the day 1 super marv sheep without actually reading marv as town was not good and he hasn’t used today at all to advance any of his reads, just content to sit on me and do some waffle
Tts: the insane “I’m a noob idk what is going on” thing is not it and he’s played exactly how I think mafia would play today, just act confused then place a vote
VE: comes into the game terribly saying he’s gonna be active but just doesn’t play. His outrage doesn’t feel real in his posts and he seems like he’s just struggling to actually take an interest in scumhunting
———————- Do not fucking lynch slam ever no matter if I flip miller or VT or I will end you after this game.
Do not fucking lynch slam ever no matter if I flip miller or VT or I will end you after this game.
Don’t you mean when?
When Oats aligment flips red or miller then slam will die in n2 anyways or if oats is just town slam get lynched. Thats so easy that even I understand that.
But there is no question from oats that he is town right?
So why say if he is town, he should just say don’t lynch slam when I flip.
If oats is just Town we have to lynch slam. Then he pretended the claim fooled us for one lynch and we get the lynch nr. 2 right. There is no other way. Even me with my Tl skill level 1 I know no matter which scenarion comes we know what to do. Thats the only correct thing to do for our Town
Will you not listen to me after I flip when I tell you not to lynch slam?
On March 09 2024 11:28 Jealous wrote: It seems like a really important moment to make that kind of subpar word choice though. It's not like time's almost up.
It’s not subpar word choice. It’s “No matter the situation if I flip miller or I flip VT, do not lynch slam” The if is encompassing those two options only. DP completely just saw the word if and ignored every word surrounding it
IMPORTANT: Play this before you read the following text
Sons of TL, I AM Oatsmaster. And I see a whole army of my townsfolk here in defiance of mafia villainy. You have come to fight as free men, and free men you are. What would you do without freedom? Will you fight?
Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, Justanothertownie, ToTheStars, marvellosity: Fight? Against the red check? No, we will lynch it; and we will live.
Aye, fight against it and you may die. Lynch it and you'll live -- at least a while. And lose the game slowly as our numbers dwindle.
Would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance, just one chance to come back here and tell mafia that they may frame our town, but they'll never take our freedom!!
On March 21 2024 11:21 Rels wrote: I have no idea how any of you caught DP though. I read DMB case for instance, I wasn't convinced at all The only way it would have happened was if we got the 2 other scums first and he still didn't die What a performance
On March 21 2024 11:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Palmar has the right idea about policy lynching tbh, it’s a shame we don’t do it more
i agree it's the right idea, but it is just so boring... like why join a game, get all pumped up for it, then win or lose just because we lynched some random scrubs who didnt play?
I think the point is to prevent any behavior that would be policy lynchable
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