Newbie Student Mafia X

On May 22 2015 07:31 Bill Murray wrote:
##vote:27ninjabunnies the problem is it's barely too much ninja if it were 26 bunnies you'd be cool

On May 22 2015 07:33 sicklucker wrote:
(but lets not confuse the first timers)

On May 22 2015 07:42 batsnacks wrote:


On a scale of 1 to 10 how relevant is this reading and which parts do you think best apply to the game or good town play in general?

On May 22 2015 07:46 Breshke wrote:


Battraps TM

On May 22 2015 07:40 Bill Murray wrote:
My vote is completely serious.

On May 22 2015 07:53 batsnacks wrote:


The lake isn't floating that wouldn't make any sense. It's just a lake at the top of a mountain like at the summit or something.



Newbie Student Mafia X was on my mind. duh.

By keeping still within while experiencing joy without, one can prevent the joy from going to excess and hold it within proper bounds. This is the meaning of, "Perseverance furthers."

Heaven and earth attract each other and thus all creatures come into being. From the attractions they exert we can learn the nature of all beings in heaven and on earth.

People soon give up counseling a man who thinks that he knows everything better than anyone else.

In movement, the calf of the leg follows the foot; by itself it can neither go forward nor stand still. Since the movement is not self-governed, it bodes ill. One should wait quietly until one is impelled to action by a real influence. Then one remains uninjured.

On May 22 2015 08:07 Breshke wrote:


Trademark

On May 22 2015 07:42 batsnacks wrote:


On a scale of 1 to 10 how relevant is this reading and which parts do you think best apply to the game or good town play in general?

The image counsels that the mind should be kept humble and free, so that it may remain receptive to good advice.

On May 22 2015 08:08 Breshke wrote:
Oh yeah and SL is mafia

##Vote Sicklucker

On May 22 2015 08:18 batsnacks wrote:
@tictok (is your screen name based on the novel by John Sladek btw?)

I had a different opinion on the calf following the foot. I took it to mean that it is better to be quiet until there is a reason to speak than to just do meaningless things for no reason. Which isn't necessarily true in mafia but that's the meaning my mind seemed to wander after.

I think there is a lot of value in vague words and how people interpret them so I post iching inspired stuff a lot in mafia games.

On May 22 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote:
@tictok what if you're mafia trying to pocket me with your overtly friendly wiles? I'm onto you mister you best be scared.

Let's all vote SL though. I feel like town SL has close to zero chance of being lynched because he'd never let that happen. Putting pressure on SL and breshke's reads can only lead to good things.

##vote: sicklucker

On May 22 2015 07:31 Bill Murray wrote:
##vote:27ninjabunnies the problem is it's barely too much ninja if it were 26 bunnies you'd be cool

On May 22 2015 10:09 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm not lurking I'm playing via phone at the hospital I just got out if surgery a couple days ago but I get released tomorrow and will help more

On May 22 2015 10:24 Sulfurus wrote:
@sicklucker is it not normal for the mafia QT to be open during pregame b/c if it is you shouldn't have made that dumbtell
also ##Vote: Breshke

On May 22 2015 10:37 Breshke wrote:
This is from the Prologue post

On May 22 2015 11:10 sicklucker wrote:


the best vote in the thread imo. Was it a pocket attempt maybe? but hes new so I doubt it breske looks pretty bad so im not surprised

On May 22 2015 11:43 sicklucker wrote:
I said it was the best because he called breskes posts bullshit and they are. I still think hes town tho

On May 22 2015 11:49 plotspot wrote:
oh lawl game has started, but I have to go to sleep now, see you tomorrow
*celebrate good times come on*

On May 22 2015 11:43 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Sulfurus top town newbie read.
Not lynching for entire game.

Or maybe atleast 2 days

On May 22 2015 11:34 Sulfurus wrote:
@NinjaBunnies the most important point in this game so far is when Breshke 1st stared pushing on Sicklucker since the conflict between the two has defined the entire game.

Speaking of that, Breshke is my top scum since he continuously pushes against Sicklucker with very bad reasoning (#159 he complains that he has disappeared and hasn't thought critically only 3 hours into the game)

I also scum read Murray due to his weak and untrue accusation against Dis in post #191 which made me think Sick is town since he tried Bandwagoning on him but he has since rescinded his vote.

On May 22 2015 11:54 sicklucker wrote:


He voted breske it was obv to me why

On May 22 2015 12:20 Bill Murray wrote:
##vote: plotspot.

I don't like when people try to slip into the night phase for free off excuses . There are like no posts in this slow game he could easily have caught up. Policy lynch here is better than anything we have to go on.

On May 22 2015 12:30 sicklucker wrote:
Plots one post was so null it hurts

On May 22 2015 11:55 sicklucker wrote:


nope...

On May 22 2015 12:19 Breshke wrote:
Bunnies how can you think it is a bus without even knowing what I was pushing SL about? It was because of his early tow read on disinfo saying he was town because he wasn't stunned by a scum qt and was posting early which didn't make sense because Qts were given out 24 hours prior. He then went on to do nothing useful.

Did I think this was scummy yes. As scummy as I made it seem I believed it to be no. I know SL can be lazy D1 so I thought some pressure would be good for him to get him involved hence why I liked bats post because it was the same thought process I was following so it likely makes bats town.

I still am fairly unsure on SLs alignment but that's nothing new but it did give me a read on bats and SL isn't being lazy.

@sulf you have a problem with me tunnelling SL for bad reasoning so does that mean you think his read on disinformation was a good one or? Could you explain why anything I've said that could make SL scum be wrong

On May 22 2015 19:32 boxerfred wrote:
Barakos going the coach way :D I was just starting to ask my coach about that. However, thus far I think I'll go for the guy who voted 27ninjabunnies (which would be BM) since he did not really have a clue and just started with an accusation. That kinda points to the SK role or even a scum role. Can't really tell. However, since Breshke and batsnacks, as well as BM and tictock cast their votes for the same person, they might be somehow linked to each other in their roles, implying they are either scum or masons.

Since a mason wouldn't have to cast his vote in a seemingly random/trolly kind of way, I'm going for Bill Murray. Especially since he is no newbie, so I can safely assume he didn't troll but instead made a random vote on purpose.

So here we go: ##Vote Bill Murray

On May 22 2015 21:55 disformation wrote:
Last game I couldn't read the guy at all D1. And D2 he did stuff which made it a lot easier to do so.
So I currently wouldn't lynch him, but look really hard at his D2 and see if it lines up with last game and D1 (looking for inconsistencies).

On May 22 2015 22:52 disformation wrote:
Haven't looked much at boxer yet, could you highlight some things that sprung out for you? I skimmed it and I didn't see anything that would strongly lead me in either direction. Though he could be mafia trying to play the newb card?

On May 22 2015 22:57 disformation wrote:


Nope, this wasn't my response to your BM question. Will reread him shortly.
Actually got something to do at work, so that might take a moment.

On May 22 2015 23:00 Rels wrote:

I have the opposite view actually. Before you started pressuring him, I was sure he was a newbie. Now that you made him post more I'm not so sure ... I will quote everytime he said he was newb or something like that in his filter. Everything in the spoiler:

+ Show Spoiler +

That's 5 times for 13 posts.

On May 23 2015 00:43 plotspot wrote:


"@plotspot: You stated that you think that mafia is/was already active in the thread trying to test the waters. Who would you pick out as Mafia?"

To be honest I'm not quite sure.
About Breshke: Initially I thought Breshke was scummy for his quick jumping on SL. But then I figured it was just his way of applying pressure on him to see his (SL's) true color. Breshke appears very townish. Breshke is like the NB VII game I played with him, very collected and professional. Though I have to point out, it didn't help us in the end since town still lost, when he couldn't figured out the real cuprits.

About BM: he is always borderline provocative and scummy. But I think he is intelligent and a keen observer.

These are the two that have given me some scum vibe so far. Last game (NV VIII) I was replaced due to illness. This was a game where I observed that scums are usually REACTIONARY and CAREFUL of some sorts. After having a first impression of the thread by having read it all, I will filter-read everyone now in order to find patterns of reactionary and careful behaviour.
Yeah expect something in less than to 6 hours, I'm actually still at work and totally underestmiated to time it took for all this again. I'm lucky that my work load is rather flexible, but still, it's already out of plan here.

On May 23 2015 01:30 Tictock wrote:

We need more like this from you.

On May 22 2015 17:09 Breshke wrote:
Hey! I knew i remembered your name my first game was your first game barakos but lets not remember that game.

You raise a good point. Looking through his filter he doesn't seem to draw conclusions from stuff like in your last quote he says a bunch of stuff about SL but doesn't really draw a conclusion from any of it. I do kind of like the reason he gave for the ticktock townread while the reason doesn't hold weight with me I think it is a good reason to town-read someone.

It is good enough for me to change my vote though

##Unvote
##Vote disformation

(totally thought his name was disinformation)

I also kind of don't like this



When scott leaves right after it after having only one other post. Feels scummy

On May 22 2015 09:05 Breshke wrote:


I really like this post and not even because it's telling people to vote SL the thought process is spot on.

On May 23 2015 09:36 sicklucker wrote:
bill murray can you lead us to victory

On May 23 2015 10:46 sicklucker wrote:
no one is allowed to vote plots today maybe ever

On May 23 2015 00:59 scott31337 wrote:
BM would be at the top of my lynch list at the moment though - but we have plenty of time

Anyone have any questions for me?

On May 23 2015 12:20 batsnacks wrote:
Let's lynch SL seriously. Town SL takes being scum read way more personally than he has this game. Scott is a fine vote too and so is BM at this point but I'm really feeling SL if he thinks he can ignore pressure and do nothing.

On May 23 2015 05:50 sicklucker wrote:
why is this entire thread talking about me I didnt do anything interesting.

I would prefer it if we just shot.cop checked bill murray instead of lynching him so we have to acualy play the game and not policy lynch him like every other game hes in

On May 23 2015 11:50 sicklucker wrote:
ya of course i ignore batsnacks lol

On May 23 2015 12:03 batsnacks wrote:
##vote sicklucker

ignore this it's nothing

+ Show Spoiler +

On May 23 2015 12:08 Tictock wrote:
Scott opens giving SL super easy towncred, questions plots opening, then makes an ok post.
He gives a few more easy townreads then starts to suspect BM but is unwilling to actually pressure.
In fact he ends this post with this


That's a bit too casual for my tastes, especially since he hasn't posted since this.

## Vote: scott31337

On May 23 2015 09:11 Bill Murray wrote:
im home and i have my computer set up at my new house
score

On May 23 2015 06:01 sicklucker wrote:
vote count? anyone voting disinfo? I might

disinfo can you list your read. I have no idea what your reads are and you posted alot not a good sign

On May 22 2015 17:27 sicklucker wrote:
Like rels townread on barokos is given so easy and he posted like 6 minutes before he posted that huge list post.

So were to believe he wrote that in 6 minutes or was nonstop pressing f5 to see if anyone posts as he made his list post?

Potentially planned their stock as potential teammates went up

On May 22 2015 17:28 sicklucker wrote:
Rels voting a 0 poster is -ev. Better to vote someone you slightly suspect then a 0 poster that might be replaced or modkilled.

Dont be afraid now

On May 23 2015 18:48 Barakos wrote:
TicTock: Since you are hopefully still here and one of my townreads: Do you really think lynching into the inactives is a good thing?
Of all the cases, that are floating around, don't you think there is one on one of the active players, that has a higher chance than voting a coinflip?

On May 24 2015 05:46 sicklucker wrote:
Ok i just read rels filter. I think he flips scum a bit more then scott I wouldnt mind lynching him. Hard to explian call it a feelin

On May 23 2015 20:11 batsnacks wrote:


idk I was just drunk and messing around on my phone and was like "SL thinks he can ignore me eh, well let's see him ignore this."

Then I thought about it some more and was like maybe that was a mistake.

Then I thought about it even more and was like nah can't be that bad SL usually freaks out way more then he has when people scum read him for what he thinks are unreasonable reasons.

On May 22 2015 11:54 sicklucker wrote:


He voted breske it was obv to me why

On May 24 2015 06:26 Sulfurus wrote:
@Tictock I think the Bats post you quoted is just straight up wrong. He literally cherry picked quotes to paint himself as a productive member of town when in reality it was people like Breshke and yourself who got the conversation started.

And the reason I like Berakos's post so much is that it showed that Bat really didn't care about making reads off of his I-ching post like he said he would.

On May 24 2015 06:36 Barakos wrote:
@ tictock: I think my read a lot more solid than reads based on people not being in the thread / hardly posting, that's why I am sticking to it. It may not seem big to you, but what else do you want to base your reads on, if not on peoples mindset?
I found disformations mindset to be suspicous and will keep my vote on him... not saying this won't change during the game, but I think he has atm the highest chance of flipping red at the end of the day.

On the other question, why people who aren't voting inactives don't vote nb: I felt the small exchange I had with her ok... at least not suspicious

@disformation: You're right, i fucked up with this sulfurus thing... dunno, what happened there, I must have mixed up some posts in sulfurus' filter. -.- sloppy by me. Sorry, disregard the part, where I say, sulfurus' post is too old.
Still: my arguement, that a case based on tmi seems constructed to me and not very reasonable.

On May 24 2015 07:14 sicklucker wrote:
If your a town veg and dont know who to shoot you can just hardclaim now and discuss it without a roleblocker.

Confirmed not veg dont shoot me mafia. Out for the night in a few

On May 24 2015 11:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Good cop checks/vig shots

Dis
BF
Sulf(rather cop check)
And Breshke (Cop check)

What do we think of BM as a vig shot?

On May 24 2015 07:14 sicklucker wrote:
If your a town veg and dont know who to shoot you can just hardclaim now and discuss it without a roleblocker.

Confirmed not veg dont shoot me mafia. Out for the night in a few

On May 24 2015 14:06 Bill Murray wrote:
wow scott just kinda made me look good/townie
just iso'ed him


would mafia be "unsure of an early vote" from other mafia?
he is also dismissive of it like he actually wants to push me and is at the same time admitting im town with the "he unvoted tho" so honestly this looks good on me

he then goes on to talk about other facets of the game which is typical scum behavior IIoA


Tries to push me more
Says im on top of his lynch list

obviously (to me/what i know) im not mafia and this should make any of you lean town on me

On May 24 2015 14:46 Sulfurus wrote:
I predict that if cop receives a town check on SL people will accuse him of being GF/SK and lynch him anyway, so cop should not check him.

A vigi shot on him is fine since the only way town doesn't kill him is if he claims a role.

On May 24 2015 16:26 sicklucker wrote:
how mad is banks tho

On May 24 2015 18:00 sicklucker wrote:


u mad?

On May 24 2015 07:14 sicklucker wrote:
If your a town veg and dont know who to shoot you can just hardclaim now and discuss it without a roleblocker.

Confirmed not veg dont shoot me mafia. Out for the night in a few

On May 24 2015 15:34 sicklucker wrote:


yes its going to always be 3 mafia in 13 player format but if theirs a sk then 2? im not getting many mafia reads so thats possible.

On May 24 2015 00:36 27ninjabunnies wrote:



I actually like this post on BS that SL has made.

On May 25 2015 03:38 disformation wrote:
2) Since nobody else was in the thread at a time (look at the timestamps), there was no way to get a decent wagon starting. And throwing away votes (looking at ticktoc here) is not going to help.

On May 25 2015 10:31 Bill Murray wrote:
i am kind of indifferent on who gets voted today including myself

who started the scott wagon?

On May 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
Hello, this is a message for the potentiel vig in this game. I want you to consider a sicklucker shot tonight. Please read this post and think about it.

First please read Breshke post here or in spoiler:

+ Show Spoiler +

If that doesn't convince you I will take what I said about him here and add to it.

First reason
In a few of his posts he either says he's town or gives argument to why someone should read him town. Apparently SL is a good player, so that could be straight up subtile manipulation. It is the tactics from commercials; one can only see something so many times before one starts thinking it's true, not knowing where the thought came by. I'm talking about these posts:
+ Show Spoiler +

Second reason

Straigth up this. I read student IX game, and SL was town and didn't give a shit about newbies.

Third reason
He says that BM is a lynch bait, but says this:


That could be read as "lynch him if you want, when he flips green i'm going to be right". Seems to me like he almost want BM to be lynched without him on the train.

Forth reason
Until late in the last day he didn't vote scott and tried to push other people with no arguments. Really no arguments, just "I'm suspicious of XXX". Even after he voted scott, he still tried to push subtily other people without voting for them. I will list the posts where he does that. I will not post what he said on batsnacks because he actually made a case on him for once.
+ Show Spoiler +

Fifth reason
Lying.

No I wasn't. Batsnacks then scott was your lynch.

Aaaaaand that's it. sicklucker don't add anything useful, except one post: the one on batsnacks which amazingly I liked. Plus, apparently he plays like that every game, so no one can read him for sure. He really put chaos in the thread with how he posted: for example his defense post just above mine is only a gif.

What do you do with people hard to read, scummy, and that does things that cause chaos ? That's right. You vigi'd them. Even if he turns out to be town, that will be less confusion on the thread. So vig, if you even exist in this setup and have not made your mind about shooting, shoot SL.

On May 24 2015 17:58 Rels wrote:
Two others point on SL:

Sixth reason

Then TT post some questions, and SL doesn't answer.


Seventh reason

On May 25 2015 03:22 Tictock wrote:
Last point about SL, in fact I'd like to make this point 8 on Rel's list. He posts this, telling a potential Vig to claim so we can discuss his shot.


Then never makes any suggestions about who to shoot. Between that and this post:


SL is pretty much for sure scum based on all this. I don't own a hat, but I will go out and buy one to eat if he flips green.

So, to me the real discussion now is... who Dies after SL?

On May 25 2015 08:04 sicklucker wrote:
I said I was considering voting you did I ever tho? no because before I voted you I read your filter and decided you were not a great vote and then I lynched scum.

On May 23 2015 13:14 sicklucker wrote:
one of bunnies or disinfo are scum

probably disinfo

On May 24 2015 06:09 sicklucker wrote:


yes I did. I mentioned I played like 100 1 hour mafia games on another site. Alot of your questions are so pointless so maybe thats why I ignore you sometimes and rub you the wrong way

On May 25 2015 08:41 sicklucker wrote:
Anyone still think im mafia. You have to find a possible partner for me

I was one of the first to give townreads on sulp/ plot (everyone copied my townread on those two) and one of the first on tictock since people forget the reads I have made

On May 25 2015 09:32 sicklucker wrote:
1) scott31337 - I Hammered him he was mafia!

ticktock - annoying town dont think he would try to piss me off like this as mafia

5) boxerfred - no Idea I tend to ignore newer players

6) disformation- He was the counter wagon to a mafia so hes safe for today. I really dont read him well I would have to reread his last game. Not voting today

7) Barakos - green checked

8) Sulfurus - I had the same townread on him from his first post as 24/7 bunnies did . I know I was a little weird with that post timing but it was just me thinking out loud in thread. since i tr him i mostly ignored him which is probably not great but its what ive done

9) 27ninjabunnies - Was at first suspicious but leaned slightly town because I noticed we had same reads on people like sluf

10) Bill Murray - him getting soft pushed by a 3 post confirmed mafia is probably a great reason to keep him around

11) Breshke - been tring him but Think he has some mafia equity. Not gonna reread him now because I cant get him lynched anyway

13) batsnacks - Hes town when her pushes people. Here hes not pushing anyone he even backtracks on me Think hes scum

On May 23 2015 11:20 plotspot wrote:
1. sicklucker (SL): from the graphics I see he has a very scheduley style. Drops in, reads everything, make posts and replies. He has conversed mostly with Breshke. At around 4 hours into the game he seemed to have an hour where he dominates the thread with conversation. I lean towards SL as town-null.

On May 25 2015 08:29 plotspot wrote:
TOWN READ:
Sicklucker: I admit I might be biased here, from his early posts on D1 4 hours into the game. I had the feeling he really thought about the game and was wondering how to progress it. From then on it was just his natural style, dropping in, posting in streaks, discussing stuff with people online and then vanishing again. I felt he was genuine, it was his style. Ok starting from post 357 (on my sheet) he starts to randomly scum leaning people without providing long-winded reasons. I guess he has me sold when he scumleaned Rels, who I admitted I thought was scum for reasons I posted. So yeah to D1 I think he is town.

he really thought about the game and was wondering how to progress it.

On May 24 2015 05:35 sicklucker wrote:


ya scum would be

On May 24 2015 05:46 sicklucker wrote:
Ok i just read rels filter. I think he flips scum a bit more then scott I wouldnt mind lynching him. Hard to explian call it a feelin

On May 25 2015 07:10 plotspot wrote:
How do you know Rels wasn't Vig shot? I was about to make a case on scumreading him hard for the following points I prepared:
Rels: referring too much to others opinion, reading thread very carefully, the way RELS sets up lynch is also very comfortable (like lynch inactives), giving orders to others, thanks my post but posts no further thoughts, in comparison to Disinformation who displays overall anxiety in his reads and thoughts, Rels looks like he can handle any sudden change, there is nothing clouding his mind, others apparently have to do more than Rels,
you bet if I was Vig I would have shot her.

On May 25 2015 14:42 sicklucker wrote:
no veg came forward (theres not one) so of course im not gonna waste my time discussing who to kill.

On May 25 2015 15:22 sicklucker wrote:
Like why are you listing my posts whats the point? I already have a filter your just spamming the thread and being anti town

On May 25 2015 07:10 plotspot wrote:
How do you know Rels wasn't Vig shot? I was about to make a case on scumreading him hard for the following points I prepared:
Rels: referring too much to others opinion, reading thread very carefully, the way RELS sets up lynch is also very comfortable (like lynch inactives), giving orders to others, thanks my post but posts no further thoughts, in comparison to Disinformation who displays overall anxiety in his reads and thoughts, Rels looks like he can handle any sudden change, there is nothing clouding his mind, others apparently have to do more than Rels,
you bet if I was Vig I would have shot her.

On May 22 2015 11:55 sicklucker wrote:


nope...

On May 22 2015 12:30 sicklucker wrote:
Plots one post was so null it hurts

On May 22 2015 12:57 sicklucker wrote:
plots post seemed legit. he forgot the game started as he was about ot go to bed. If your mafia you probably dont do that because you look bad. If your town you dont give a shit and your tired

On May 23 2015 10:46 sicklucker wrote:
no one is allowed to vote plots today maybe ever

On May 23 2015 10:52 sicklucker wrote:
plots never mafia here. like ill kill you if you try to kill him. It takes a very special kind of person to do this as mafia and hes not proven as one of them.

I acualy see what hes trying to do with the chart. looking for who ignores who. But now that its out in the open mafia will spam their team mates

On May 25 2015 08:32 sicklucker wrote:
Lets say im mafia who here can even be my partner?

2) Tictock like never my partner he has too many petty arguments againt me and votes me
4) plotspot Pushing me today
5) boxerfred acual this one makes some sense good thing im not scum
6) disformation hes pushing/voting me
7) Barakos would I check my team mate? Also probably pushing me im not sure
8) Sulfurus Who cares hes town
9) 27ninjabunnies Dont think we would be that obv
10) Bill Murray Im his only push apparently. I think hes the vote today
11) Breshke woulda rage quit if he was my partner
13) batsnacks pretty sure hes trying to lynch me. I voted him he voted me

On May 25 2015 09:13 plotspot wrote:


Previously I said I thought he was town for D1, but I also said that I will look into his actions N1. I think it's fair that he thinks I will push him D2 about his actions on N1. He thinks I cannot be his partner and when RIGHT NOW I'm in a state of considering looking into him N1. Just a minor thing Breshke, but I do think he read everything.

On May 25 2015 08:29 plotspot wrote:
TOWN READ:
Sicklucker: I admit I might be biased here, from his early posts on D1 4 hours into the game. I had the feeling he really thought about the game and was wondering how to progress it. From then on it was just his natural style, dropping in, posting in streaks, discussing stuff with people online and then vanishing again. I felt he was genuine, it was his style. Ok starting from post 357 (on my sheet) he starts to randomly scum leaning people without providing long-winded reasons. I guess he has me sold when he scumleaned Rels, who I admitted I thought was scum for reasons I posted. So yeah to D1 I think he is town.
Disformation: I originally scummed him for his first 3 hours, but as I went on reading more of him, I felt he had this sort of “I’m not sure about this or that”. He is one of the most active, but combine it anxiety for search and a slight bit of uncertainty lingering in his posts, I can only see him as town. Right now I am aware that he sort of has gotten into a battle with Boxerfred, so I will look into this more deeper.

Bill Murray: I believe this guy. He just doesn’t give a crap, yeah he might not be a helpful town (though you never know, he might have a reason to stay more low-key), but mafia? I’ll consider if other options have run out.

Tictock: oh yeah Tictock. I totally believe he is town. He is too active, too anxious. I feel he is almost to impatient to get results and reads in. In my opinion he would help town even more if he paced down a little bit. I believe mafia can use his wind to sailstab other townies if he isn’t careful. Just my opinion. But there, town. I’ve overcome his strangeness somewhat and believe it to be wrong chemistry if we misread eachother.

Breshke: Do I need to elaborate on this case? He has a sharp mind and is noticing and questioning things I can only say in retrospect: yeah good point. If Breshke is mafia, we are all dead.

Boxerfred: Is town because his stream-of-consiousness way of posting. I cannot imagine mafia being able to simulate this. He thinks:”hmm how can I solve this, oh right there was this thing I didn’t consider *posts*,… ah wait this thing too *post*. Beside that he had the slip about the coaching thread. I cannot imagine you would plan this as mafia. No way. The way I guess he is in some sort of heat with Disinformation is due to they both being uncertain and in a way naturally biased on how to perceive certain things. But I will look into N1 soon.

Regarding 27ninjabunnies, Sulfurus, Batsnacks and Barakos, while I was able to “deeply” the others these were the ones I couldn’t confidently read. This is where I need to filter-read them. If you were to pin me down now, I’d say BS and BA slight town read. SU and 27 slight scum. But let’s see.

On May 25 2015 15:22 sicklucker wrote:
Like why are you listing my posts whats the point? I already have a filter your just spamming the thread and being anti town

The game is typically very active, so the thread may grow large quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play.

On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote:
You start tryharding on me. I couldn't say too much on your argumentation before (when Rels started to call out my "I'm a newb" posts) because I saw myself in a bad light and thus tried to do better, which worked - you started to warm up on me. If you still lean me towards scum, I have to assume that you're actively trying to get me lynched, making you SK or scum. So far, I've been really defending myself in a passive way but by now I feel like you're way too aggressive towards other persons, while you keep defending yourself with lots of smileys, trying to make people think positive about you. You accept arguments from others with smiley faces too, acting like you're a gentleman who, even in disagreement, acknowledges the effort/quality/whatever in his opponent's post. You're not a newbie and thus far, you managed to not get yourself into the line of fire very well.

On May 25 2015 16:34 sicklucker wrote:
she ninjaed that read on sulp is what got me. I mean I dont think my read on her matters im going to have to vote her for survival it looks like and i think shes a good vote and not in my poe list

On May 25 2015 16:44 sicklucker wrote:


ya well its hard to find scum when no one but the obv towns spam up the thread.

I probably have the biggest filter too

On May 25 2015 17:04 sicklucker wrote:
Me
You
plot
bm maybe?
town roles

Thats all i got need 1 more i think but roles have not claimed yet so making a poe list is meaningless unlike last game

On May 22 2015 12:50 Tictock wrote:
So far I'm forcing myself to null read sicklucker.

On May 25 2015 18:58 plotspot wrote:
Are you trying to deliberately read me wrong? I clearly ranged the time from 4h00h to 5h00 (this is p11) where SL dominated the thread with conversation. This was a sign of town slip for me, like Boxerfred town-slipping when he mentions his coaching QT. At never a moment did I say “I stress SL’s play from 0h00 to 4:00” as my ground to read him, but you accuse me of doing that in your bolded part. Why?

On May 25 2015 18:58 plotspot wrote:
It was not to posture up for the SL read later. It was just naturally that I mentioned Rels in combination with SL because at that time (before EoD1) only he and me thought Rels could flip scum.

On May 25 2015 18:58 plotspot wrote:
Also please specify here: “Do these points sound like anybody else we know?” Who do you mean? You pick out 2 points from this list and use it to compare a whole person, ignoring the rest of the points? What is that method? From what I can see you try too hard to read me, without really understanding how I roll, so you’re like ignoring 50% just only picking out the 50% that suits you.

Ok it’s nice of you trying to read me, but do you have a feeling for time? Get your facts straight out first, maybe?
I scumread Dis entirely based on the 6 hours, and I even emphasized it when I made that read. Why did I vote for him? I freakin ran out of time. I posted my first sheet with 6 hours game info 28 hours into D1 and had a hard time catching up. Somewhere between 28hours and EoD (48hours), as I continued with my sheet I was more and more townreading Dis. Why didn’t I bother switching? Because it didn’t matter, as Scott was clearly the lynch that day. This is a kind of philosophy that I know some people do not agree to, they consider voting as some sort of taking stance, even if doesn’t matter to the end result. They probably don’t want to face the shit of others asking them “meh if you think he is town why don’t you switch”. My response: it didn’t matter that time. My read progressed on Dis from scum to town. He is not in danger of getting lynched. It is fine as it is. Do you understand Tictock? Do you understand my reasoning, even if you think it’s strange or don’t agree to this sort of mentality? Can you accept this as some sort of logical sequence and not a ploy of ploy to be deceptive?

I have more to come, but that feels like enough for one post.

1. the first time SL defended me: I feel like he isn’t really defending me that much. He is just pointing out the obvious, while he has his active phase in the thread. For you it was not obvious because you were suspicious of me. Besides, Breshke also figured out the obvious. You spun too much from a simple good night post from me.

2. the second time SL “defended” me: I think he is overreacting in his natural way to the effort I made. Do you really think he wouldn’t vote me if he thinks I’m scum? Like he keeps forever to his caption: “never lynch PL never ever”? Do you think SL is that stupid? No possible way it was SL posting strategically for something?

3. “That BOLDED PART never happened”: Yeah because I don’t have the time yet. I haven’t closely looked at him N1 yet. N1 something seemed to have happened why everyone thinks he is scum. As I posted earlier I’m willing to look at it.

4. “Humm, even if plots thinks SL is town, why is he defending SL here? Shouldn't town!plots go "Hey wait, why is he saying that I'm pushing him when I just townread him" rather than "oh of course my buddy SL was thinking I was going to do this kus of stuff I said earlier" ?”
You again didn’t get your facts straight. Why would I be saying "Hey wait, why is he saying that I'm pushing him when I just townread him". That would make no sense. I said I was going to look on him closer N1 even though I townread him for D1. He reads it and says he expects me to push him. Why is this illogical?

5. Why did I “defend” him there when he could have resolved it himself: 2 reasons. I was in a posting streak. Plus it was Breshke who raises this point and not some noob. I was sure to correct Breshke as a valuable town member, preventing him from going off. I also corrected Breshke on a point earlier.

6. My joking with SL: I explained about it very clearly here.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24311053
But I see. It’s a mentality problem. You’d never be able to do something like this so most likely you can’t wrap that concept around your head. It wasn’t forced at all. SL was the only one there and I had my fun.

This is why I think you're town TT. I can explain it, but will you believe me? I was relaxing from the stress and SL is the only one with the kind of posting style I can do it with. Posting crap like that with you would be impossible. I say please, please consider that you could be wrong. Please.

Yeah you probably noticed the reason by now. I was preparing for a scum read on Rels when the results blew up on my face. I wanted still to post some reading results based on the effort I did so far. Naturally containing no scumread. I asked for time to read 27ninjabunnies, Sulfurus, Batsnacks and Barakos. Why does it look like I’m not scum hunting, when I'm still willing to look into others but couldn't just do yet due to time reasons?

On May 25 2015 20:57 sicklucker wrote:


no and thats kind of role hunting bro

On May 25 2015 21:09 plotspot wrote:
What I think funny about this game in general is like some people thinking: “man I’m the king, I’m cryptic, I’m careful, I’m good. But if I catch some scum it’s because he is stupid, makes stupid mistakes I would never do, slips regularly on the easiest logics”. If you applied your logic to me would you make such a stupid mistake and be inconsistent saying one time in the first post and a completely different time in another post? Isn’t it a bit too easy to catch scum like this?

On May 25 2015 22:05 Breshke wrote:
oh shit tictok brought up my case basically before me.

This guys town

On May 26 2015 09:37 sicklucker wrote:
This is interesting. Barakos does not mention scott once day 1. Pretty strange for the lading mafia wagon. Then when day 2 starts he makes this post trying to discredit people who voted scott (classic mafia tactic)




you dont say? ty for that qt info

On May 26 2015 09:42 sicklucker wrote:
##vote barakos

time to play the game G

On May 26 2015 10:04 sicklucker wrote:
I see multiple scummy people now its great. Sorry for wanting a vote to be between them and not between a confirmed town with 12 pages of filter

On May 26 2015 01:14 Bill Murray wrote:
omg tictock may have broken the game on page 46

hes so smart

i didnt want to say anything though, ive been kind of wanting to watch how this plays out

On May 26 2015 14:44 sicklucker wrote:
Maybe I was right about barokos and sulp pre planning their entrances how awesome would that be. Like there giving 0 critical thinking here we probably wont here from them for another 48 hours

On May 22 2015 10:24 Sulfurus wrote:
@sicklucker is it not normal for the mafia QT to be open during pregame b/c if it is you shouldn't have made that dumbtell
also ##Vote: Breshke

On May 22 2015 11:34 Sulfurus wrote:
@NinjaBunnies the most important point in this game so far is when Breshke 1st stared pushing on Sicklucker since the conflict between the two has defined the entire game.

Speaking of that, Breshke is my top scum since he continuously pushes against Sicklucker with very bad reasoning (#159 he complains that he has disappeared and hasn't thought critically only 3 hours into the game)

I also scum read Murray due to his weak and untrue accusation against Dis in post #191 which made me think Sick is town since he tried Bandwagoning on him but he has since rescinded his vote.

On May 24 2015 06:57 27ninjabunnies wrote:




Do you think mafia are on scott?

On May 25 2015 08:07 sicklucker wrote:
If im mafia whos my partner here? everyones voted me at some point of the game now.

Me and bunnies would not be that obv.

I sapose I could be with bm? why dont you just vote him first

On May 25 2015 08:32 sicklucker wrote:
Lets say im mafia who here can even be my partner?

2) Tictock like never my partner he has too many petty arguments againt me and votes me
4) plotspot Pushing me today
5) boxerfred acual this one makes some sense good thing im not scum
6) disformation hes pushing/voting me
7) Barakos would I check my team mate? Also probably pushing me im not sure
8) Sulfurus Who cares hes town
9) 27ninjabunnies Dont think we would be that obv
10) Bill Murray Im his only push apparently. I think hes the vote today
11) Breshke woulda rage quit if he was my partner
13) batsnacks pretty sure hes trying to lynch me. I voted him he voted me

On May 26 2015 21:07 plotspot wrote:
Tictock is your reasoning that if he establishes himself too hard as town, mafia will just kill him? Wouldn't it better then just to scumhunt hard elimating this sort of threat, instead of playing "what am I?".

You can kill one person every night, but you don't have to.
You win when you are the last player alive or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

On May 26 2015 21:41 sicklucker wrote:


let me explain how to play sk.

If towns already killed 1 mafia you dont fucking hold your shot. Mafias losing so you help them out by killing a obv town.

As a sk your goal is to kill everyone so holding your shot is always bad. This acualy eliminates experienced players from being the sk if there is one.

If there is an sk its going to be one of the new players. Those are also the people spamming that theirs an sk that could be tmi.

On May 26 2015 18:25 Tictock wrote:


Point 3:
27nb has CLEARLY been around today. Pops in makes a promise of a big push. I think she does that when she asks why BM lurker voted her. Then she pops in later to ask if we've solved the game, implying there is work yet to do.

On May 24 2015 19:02 Breshke wrote:


Honeslty noone cares about this. hy is rels mafia. Start scumhunting or just die honestly play the game.

On May 24 2015 19:13 Barakos wrote:
Pretty sure, he would have been warned, since he posted and this is a newbie-game but whatever...

Your logic fails, since nobody would do this, if they actually thought, scott would be modkilled, since him flipping red would make the person pushing for lynching someone different really bad.

SL isn’t paying attention or being deliberately confusing

Ok to summarize why I used all this. Things about SL are very shifty. He is walking on the edge. Is there any reason for him to do it when he is not scum? Is there a reason anyone who is town deliberately tries to walk on the edge, when he could pose himself to look more towny? Think about it…

On May 27 2015 01:04 plotspot wrote:
SL and I might be town partners, but scum partners?
+ Show Spoiler +

On May 27 2015 01:16 plotspot wrote:
I think I can use this "partners" thing to explain quantum mechanics.
"Hey, you see if someone accuses you of being partners with another person, the none of you can make excuses or both of you know it's ridiculous. There nothing in between like one thinks it's true and other thing thinks it's bs. That's quantum mechanics."