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This is interesting. Barakos does not mention scott once day 1. Pretty strange for the lading mafia wagon. Then when day 2 starts he makes this post trying to discredit people who voted scott (classic mafia tactic)
On May 24 2015 18:41 Barakos wrote:
The votes on scott mean just about nothing.
27nb asked if people thought there was mafia voting for scott shortly before eod... there sure was.
People said scott rolled mafia in several of his newbie-games and wasn't very happy about this, so I am pretty sure his scum-partners in the qt knew this, too.
So there might very well have been plans about voting him, if it becomes apparent, he will not return to the thread. Him not returning and posting as less as possible might even have been the plan right from the start.
Which is also why what bm said about scotts post making him look good is complete bs since this might as well have been a planned breadcrumbing, which a scum-bm could later on use by saying "look, he tried to make me look bad and he was mafia, so i must be town". Just look at the scum-qt of assassination-mafia. bm is perfectly capable of hatching such a plan and scott - already not excited about having rolled scum - would have happily followed, since he wouldn't let his team completely hanging.
I guess all i am saying is, that we can't really interpret anything into scotts posts, because him leaving the thread and giving up is most likely a thing, he discussed with his teammates, so there surely was a plan about how he should behave in the few posts he made, which is why everything he said could be interpreted one way or the other.
you dont say? ty for that qt info
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On May 26 2015 09:31 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 09:24 sicklucker wrote:
and thats the third person who used "their might be a sk excuse" to have a vote fall against me.
Theres no sk in this game because there was 1kp last night Can you pls read stuff. It says SK can hold their shot if they want to. You cant 100% rule it out
I read that but its not a very smart thing to do because it can make the game last 1 day longer. Watching 3 newbies call me the sk when theres like a 5% chance theres one in the game is pretty annoying.
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##vote barakos
time to play the game G
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anyway were not voting between me (11 page filter lol) and bunnies.Presurin bunnies is fine she will get out of it if shes town. The main scum against her is her vote which barakos apparently tell us ment nothing! he seems to know alot about whats going on in the mafia qt
but we have to presure these 2 1 page filter new players too or this game will never go anywhere.
Were not voting me today you baddies
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On May 26 2015 09:47 sicklucker wrote:
anyway were not voting between me (11 page filter lol) and bunnies.Presurin bunnies is fine she will get out of it if shes town. The main scum against her is her vote which barakos apparently tell us ment nothing! he seems to know alot about whats going on in the mafia qt
but we have to presure these 2 1 page filter new players too or this game will never go anywhere.
Were not voting me today you baddies
your phrasing is so shit dude. Personally i find it really fucking scummy that you say "between me and bunnies" when you were voting her yourself.
Why don't you just say "we arn't lynvhing me today" why even include bunnies? You seemed certain she was scum before what changed?
Also can you relax you have like two vote on yourself
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On May 26 2015 02:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'm not avoiding them, just ignoring them for the time being. I'm going to make a big post in the next two hours or so. Tbh, I'm not in such a big rush
I will address the scott thing.
I didn't vote scott not because we are partners (Cause im town) but because with scott af, and looking to still be afk, we could have had a replacement or modkill. Im glad we did vote him, because hey, We got rid of mafia role, but I felt better information could have been gained outside of a scott lynch. Scott was a last minute bandwagon it seemed, and it didnt really gain us info, because that gave perfect timing for mafia to bus. I'm looking within the votes to see if a possible mafia could have jumped at the chance for town cred there.
I am also waiting for tis
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I see multiple scummy people now its great. Sorry for wanting a vote to be between them and not between a confirmed town with 12 pages of filter
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On May 26 2015 10:04 sicklucker wrote:
I see multiple scummy people now its great. Sorry for wanting a vote to be between them and not between a confirmed town with 12 pages of filter
Care to expand upon this. Who are the "scummy people"
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SL’s shifty case (from N1 to pretty much here)
I see SL is getting scumrpoints for some strange suggestions about how to handle Scott’s case to which Barakos and Breshke replied and I would have to agree to their opinion. It’s simply the more plausible way to do things, rather than risking it. Starting here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24308265
Plus Rels posted his 7 reasons on him earlier :http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24308182
Personally, I think the reasoning is a mixed bag. Some understandable points, some arbitrary ones and one misunderstanding (5th reason).
I never understood what SL meant when he said “anyway if I flip cop remember I have a green check on barkos”, which can be found here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24310667
Finally I get his “cop cover” thing. That’s interesting and very systematic.
At the start of D2, SL starts defending himself, as the votes are casted on him. I started to interact with him and Breshke and BM were also present. It kinda got messy about whether he read my posts, when he announces that “I push him”, which later got me into an argument with Tictock, as I interpreted it wrong. From all this I do get one point: SL isn’t paying attention or being deliberately confusing. For me this is additionally apparent here, when he thought I voted him (not sure whether he means D1 or just recently in D2), when in fact I didn’t:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24310965
BM’s case on SL based involving Scott’s filter:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24310974
After voting each other they unvoted each other because Scott’s filter mentions both of them. I see, it does make sense that Scott should have avoided talking about his scum mates, which gives them both some town points.
Tictock’s case on SL contains the 7 points of Rels plus the vig claim controversy and a few other inconsistencies of SL:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24311613
To which SL defends himself lastly with the Scott “spew”.
Wow haven’t seen that yesterday, SL kinda gives up with this post, claiming VT: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24311750
Not sure what I should think from that. But he continues saying he has a hard time finding scum:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24311832
After that a few more resignative and whiny posts. That’s a first time I see this behavior from SL
LOL Mason QT
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24312415
I guess this is his joke on me joking “SL and I are masons” earlier?
Disformation’s interactions for a while with SL starting from here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24312642
he quickly admit’s that he has a hard time reading SL. I didn’t get anything useful from that interaction.
Ok to summarize why I used all this. Things about SL are very shifty. He is walking on the edge. Is there any reason for him to do it when he is not scum? Is there a reason anyone who is town deliberately tries to walk on the edge, when he could pose himself to look more towny? Think about it…
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Okay, it's already late, I'm going to sleep. I have collected material about 27ninja from TT's, Breshke's and Disformation's case on him and will analyze it tomorrow.
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I have stated many times in games that I like to look scummy to get reads
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BM, can you explain the random vote on me?
As for SL, Like to look scummy to get reads? How does that help you get reads?
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On May 26 2015 11:17 sicklucker wrote:
I have stated many times in games that I like to look scummy to get reads
Does half you filter being saying you are town what you do to play scummy?
On May 26 2015 12:01 27ninjabunnies wrote:
BM, can you explain the random vote on me?
As for SL, Like to look scummy to get reads? How does that help you get reads?
Can you please run me through why you were voting disformation D1?
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Home from work. Not planning to post so much tonight, and I think I'll avoid shitstorming SL. EoD isn't so far off now, so I don't want to risk cluttering the thread anymore than I already have tunneling SL.
Besides, I actually see some posts from SL I like today.
On May 26 2015 09:37 sicklucker wrote:This is interesting. Barakos does not mention scott once day 1. Pretty strange for the lading mafia wagon. Then when day 2 starts he makes this post trying to discredit people who voted scott (classic mafia tactic) Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 18:41 Barakos wrote:
The votes on scott mean just about nothing.
27nb asked if people thought there was mafia voting for scott shortly before eod... there sure was.
People said scott rolled mafia in several of his newbie-games and wasn't very happy about this, so I am pretty sure his scum-partners in the qt knew this, too.
So there might very well have been plans about voting him, if it becomes apparent, he will not return to the thread. Him not returning and posting as less as possible might even have been the plan right from the start.
Which is also why what bm said about scotts post making him look good is complete bs since this might as well have been a planned breadcrumbing, which a scum-bm could later on use by saying "look, he tried to make me look bad and he was mafia, so i must be town". Just look at the scum-qt of assassination-mafia. bm is perfectly capable of hatching such a plan and scott - already not excited about having rolled scum - would have happily followed, since he wouldn't let his team completely hanging.
I guess all i am saying is, that we can't really interpret anything into scotts posts, because him leaving the thread and giving up is most likely a thing, he discussed with his teammates, so there surely was a plan about how he should behave in the few posts he made, which is why everything he said could be interpreted one way or the other. you dont say? ty for that qt info
On May 26 2015 09:42 sicklucker wrote:
##vote barakos
time to play the game G
And then he reminds me why I always end up scumming him...
On May 26 2015 10:04 sicklucker wrote:
I see multiple scummy people now its great. Sorry for wanting a vote to be between them and not between a confirmed town with 12 pages of filter
Oh well.
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@BF
I'm really not liking your attempting to locate possible masons this game.
You do realize that if you were to out any blue roles for Mafia thats a HUGE blow against town right?
I suppose masons aren't a big power role though. My biggest issue here is that speculating on the game setup isn't very useful to talk about when we don't have any info to go on. Rather see you focusing that effort finding scum than looking at town and thinking about roles.
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As of this moment my lynches are
Sicklucker
Batsnacks
27NinjaBunnies
Bill Murray
BoxerFred
in that order
I admit it's kinda weird that 3 of those names voted for confirmed mafia but considering how Scott was playing the idea of a bus isn't too far-fetched.
##Vote: Sicklucker
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@ Sul
Hoping you didn't just drop that PoE list and leave.
Care to talk about BS a little? I've had him as a town but he's been slipping more and more into inactive neutral territory.
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EBWOP:
If we get an extra lynch through doc save and vigi shot I would add Disformation's name to the list (There might be a world where Scott's teammate had to vote on him so Dis wouldn't get lynched)
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On May 26 2015 13:42 Sulfurus wrote:
EBWOP:
If we get an extra lynch through doc save and vigi shot I would add Disformation's name to the list (There might be a world where Scott's teammate had to vote on him so Dis wouldn't get lynched)
Scot was mafia roleblocker. I don't think they vote the RB over one of the other partners especially D1 because that leaves them open to get rekt by town power roles.
I also kind of don't like that your two top lynches voted scott because couldn't they have just both swapped to disfo and not kill a partner if the team is actually scott, bats, SL.
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@TicTock
I actually already talked about Bats yesterday.
It's mostly based off of what Barakos said and I think his points still stand.
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On May 26 2015 01:14 Bill Murray wrote:
omg tictock may have broken the game on page 46
hes so smart
i didnt want to say anything though, ive been kind of wanting to watch how this plays out
Is it weird that this post, more than any other, has me questioning my reads now?
Really not happy with BM.
He's made a couple really good posts, but mostly just doesn't seem to care.
I want to call this a pocket attempt but it's too obvious. Come on BM you can do better, I'm sure of it.
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EPT
