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plotspot
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disformation
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On May 24 2015 20:38 plotspot wrote: hi guys, I've reached p23. p24 was where I first published my statistics. EoD was is p30, so I think I will take this too before I post a summary, as well as my reads on the remaining players for D1. Great, looking forward to that.  Looking at the votes on scott: rels: pressures all the people with low/zero posts. did put a pressure vote on scott for basically only having 1-2 meh posts. scott tries to get rels off him, by saying he likes rels a lot. rels didn't seem impressed. scott never returns, so rels just keeps his vote on him. breskhe: also voting for doing jack. but also backs it up with a meta read. On May 23 2015 12:21 Breshke wrote: ##Vote scott31337 I agree scott needs to lift his game. So does Bill murray to a degree both these people feel like coinflips at the moment. Like especially scott from just from looking at the three other games he has played seemed to have achieved the longest filter in his 1 town game even though he was only alive for one day compared to his scum games where he survived to D3 yet had a smaller filter. Oh and he also calls out scott earlier: On May 22 2015 17:09 Breshke wrote: I also kind of don't like this When scott leaves right after it after having only one other post. Feels scummy Liking breshke a lot looking at this. sicklucker: votes batsnacks, quickly drops that vote. Either a joke vote, or realizing that this wagon won't go anywhere? Looks at the two available wagons, realizes that scott looks worse than me, throws his vote on him. Says N1 that he would have tried to get me lynched instead of scott, if he had been around EoD1. Not sure what to make of him atm. =/ batsnacks: had an earlier vote on scott, after looking at bunnies, sulf and scott. decided to vote scott out of that bunch. Then switches to sicklucker with that one super irritating post. On May 23 2015 12:03 batsnacks wrote: ##vote sicklucker ignore this it's nothing + Show Spoiler + but I'm probably not switching  TBH I was thinking batsnacks and sicklucker were just trolling each other there. But sicklucker is still going on about that? Well, batsnacks drops this vote on sicklucker super fast and votes scott with: On May 23 2015 20:14 batsnacks wrote: In all seriousness I can't vote SL or anyone for that matter over scott if he's not going to post before deadline. Even what he has is scummy. Since this aligns with his previous vote/read and the sicklucker vote was just a troll, I think this looks legit. boxerfred: annouces that he will vote for an inactive person with: On May 23 2015 17:03 boxerfred wrote: I think I'll vote for whoever is really inactive. That's like the safest way to not lose someone who's really valuable. goes ahead and votes scott: On May 23 2015 21:41 boxerfred wrote: Okay. So ##vote scott31337 it is. I'll try to chime in before EOD to check if he posted something, however, I won't have the time to post for the next 6-8 hours. gonna be close. Expresses some doubts here: On May 24 2015 06:47 boxerfred wrote: wow back just in time. so we still coinflip on scott - i don't like this since it's really ruining the game. Is that where modkills apply? So... he goes from "I'll vote for whoever is really inactiv", which can imply "regardless of alignment" to "oh wow I really don't like to coinflip on the most inactive person ever." Not really liking this. boxerfred, I would love to explain your train of thought on this. If someone arrives at other conclusions from the votes, I would be down to talk about that. Will do some chores now so:  | ||
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boxerfred
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On May 24 2015 23:06 disformation wrote: Great, looking forward to that. Looking at the votes on scott: rels: pressures all the people with low/zero posts. did put a pressure vote on scott for basically only having 1-2 meh posts. scott tries to get rels off him, by saying he likes rels a lot. rels didn't seem impressed. scott never returns, so rels just keeps his vote on him. breskhe: also voting for doing jack. but also backs it up with a meta read. Oh and he also calls out scott earlier: Liking breshke a lot looking at this. sicklucker: votes batsnacks, quickly drops that vote. Either a joke vote, or realizing that this wagon won't go anywhere? Looks at the two available wagons, realizes that scott looks worse than me, throws his vote on him. Says N1 that he would have tried to get me lynched instead of scott, if he had been around EoD1. Not sure what to make of him atm. =/ batsnacks: had an earlier vote on scott, after looking at bunnies, sulf and scott. decided to vote scott out of that bunch. Then switches to sicklucker with that one super irritating post. TBH I was thinking batsnacks and sicklucker were just trolling each other there. But sicklucker is still going on about that? Well, batsnacks drops this vote on sicklucker super fast and votes scott with: Since this aligns with his previous vote/read and the sicklucker vote was just a troll, I think this looks legit. boxerfred: annouces that he will vote for an inactive person with: goes ahead and votes scott: Expresses some doubts here: So... he goes from "I'll vote for whoever is really inactiv", which can imply "regardless of alignment" to "oh wow I really don't like to coinflip on the most inactive person ever." Not really liking this. boxerfred, I would love to explain your train of thought on this. If someone arrives at other conclusions from the votes, I would be down to talk about that. Will do some chores now so: That's quickly done: between me voting on inactive and me saying expressing I'm not too sure about a coinflip lay some posts elaborating on why coinflipping is doubtable. Why did you jump the train in the end? | ||
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Tictock
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SL is easily the top target to shoot tonight. If he doesn't die tonight he is easily the most lynchable person going into D2. Theres tons of cases made against him already so I'll just reiterate what I see as the scummiest stuff about him. This game SL has been all over the place with his scum "reads" and has never really stuck with any of them. He's made a ton of posts suggesting people he thinks could be scum but never does anything on his own. I don't know SL that well, but IMO Town!SL makes pretty quick and easy reads and will stick with them. + Show Spoiler + Last point about SL, in fact I'd like to make this point 8 on Rel's list. He posts this, telling a potential Vig to claim so we can discuss his shot. On May 24 2015 07:14 sicklucker wrote: If your a town veg and dont know who to shoot you can just hardclaim now and discuss it without a roleblocker. Confirmed not veg dont shoot me mafia. Out for the night in a few Then never makes any suggestions about who to shoot. Between that and this post: On May 24 2015 15:34 sicklucker wrote: yes its going to always be 3 mafia in 13 player format but if theirs a sk then 2? im not getting many mafia reads so thats possible. SL is pretty much for sure scum based on all this. I don't own a hat, but I will go out and buy one to eat if he flips green. So, to me the real discussion now is... who Dies after SL? | ||
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I also want to point out that she is one of only a few players to be reading town on SL. On May 24 2015 00:36 27ninjabunnies wrote: I actually like this post on BS that SL has made. And that is her reasoning. Overall I just don't get the sense that she is trying to solve the game. 27nb is responding to stuff and making a few, extreamly weak, reads and in general is present in the thread. Yet has only applied a bit of pressure to SL early D1, who she now gives this weak townread on. If 27nb isn't scum she is my top suspect for being potential SK. | ||
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On May 25 2015 03:05 boxerfred wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 24 2015 23:06 disformation wrote: Great, looking forward to that. Looking at the votes on scott: rels: pressures all the people with low/zero posts. did put a pressure vote on scott for basically only having 1-2 meh posts. scott tries to get rels off him, by saying he likes rels a lot. rels didn't seem impressed. scott never returns, so rels just keeps his vote on him. breskhe: also voting for doing jack. but also backs it up with a meta read. Oh and he also calls out scott earlier: Liking breshke a lot looking at this. sicklucker: votes batsnacks, quickly drops that vote. Either a joke vote, or realizing that this wagon won't go anywhere? Looks at the two available wagons, realizes that scott looks worse than me, throws his vote on him. Says N1 that he would have tried to get me lynched instead of scott, if he had been around EoD1. Not sure what to make of him atm. =/ batsnacks: had an earlier vote on scott, after looking at bunnies, sulf and scott. decided to vote scott out of that bunch. Then switches to sicklucker with that one super irritating post. TBH I was thinking batsnacks and sicklucker were just trolling each other there. But sicklucker is still going on about that? Well, batsnacks drops this vote on sicklucker super fast and votes scott with: Since this aligns with his previous vote/read and the sicklucker vote was just a troll, I think this looks legit. boxerfred: annouces that he will vote for an inactive person with: goes ahead and votes scott: Expresses some doubts here: So... he goes from "I'll vote for whoever is really inactiv", which can imply "regardless of alignment" to "oh wow I really don't like to coinflip on the most inactive person ever." Not really liking this. boxerfred, I would love to explain your train of thought on this. If someone arrives at other conclusions from the votes, I would be down to talk about that. Will do some chores now so: That's quickly done: between me voting on inactive and me saying expressing I'm not too sure about a coinflip lay some posts elaborating on why coinflipping is doubtable. Hm. Yeah, there were a few people talking about how lynching inactives is a coinflip and not really good. Since you only mention that once in your whole filter and then still go ahead and vote scott I am not sure, if I am willing to let that slide this easy. On May 25 2015 03:05 boxerfred wrote: Why did you jump the train in the end? Good but very expected question. I explained it in this post: + Show Spoiler + On May 24 2015 01:03 disformation wrote: Okay. As per pre game excuse I will leave in about a hour and be back 1-2 hours after EoD. While I still think we need more pressure on Sulfurus, because he hasn't done anything after his intial posts. Only came back to admit to a mistake I found in one of his early posts and left right after. Hasn't responded at all to the further inquiries and the case I put on him. All in all this makes me highly suspicious. But I have to leave soon and I can't see this wagon getting anywhere, especially with me gone, since I seem to be the only one willing to put pressure on him. My other main suspects were a) boxerfred, to whom I have warmed up on...(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=28#543). Was going to say the same about b) bunnies, but I dislike that she didn't explain why she is still voting me and didn't touch my recent posts at all... at least her motivations seemed to be towny when I interacted with her. c) BM should also have more pressure on him for falling of incredibly hard... d) That basically leaves me with scott who hasn't done jack all game... But since I won't be around and I don't want to waste my vote I will have to vote on a wagon that looks like it will hit something. So I have to choose between disformation and scott. I know the alignment of one of those. I really! hope this won't be a repeat of last game though... NSM IX: we basically on had one super wagon on scott D1. He disappears. Comes into the thread like 1hour before deadline, posts a super towny post along with a OMGUS on me. Gets lynched anyway, flips town. Sad times. Super sry for not being around for EoD, had hoped this would start one day later.  To summarize: 1) As per pre game excuse I was going to be away the 5 hours leading to EoD. 2) Since nobody else was in the thread at a time (look at the timestamps), there was no way to get a decent wagon starting. And throwing away votes (looking at ticktoc here) is not going to help. 3) scott was on my suspect list anyway (and has been basically all game). 4) As the only other wagon at the time was me, another vote on scott made it harder to lynch me, since my absence could have been used to get more people on the disformation wagon, without me being able to defend against that. Note that this is pretty much NAI, as neither mafia nor town players like to get lynched. | ||
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Tictock
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Plots is actually still a scum lean for me. He did a lot of work on those spreadsheets and all, but was never even able to give us a full set of reads before EoD. Since then he hasn't done much but update us on his progress catching up with reading. His graphics gave him a pass D1, but needs to step it up D2 to convince me he isn't scum. I was going to mention BF anyways, but Dis makes a point about him here in his votes analysis post that I had missed. There isn't much to read on the guy yet besides a few association reads he's thrown out. Another person who needs to step up their game. | ||
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SL 27nb plots BF Everyone else is town. | ||
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On May 25 2015 03:38 disformation wrote: 2) Since nobody else was in the thread at a time (look at the timestamps), there was no way to get a decent wagon starting. And throwing away votes (looking at ticktoc here) is not going to help. Lol I am making a habit out of this aren't I? Assuming I'm not night killed I'll answer any questions people have about that tomorrow. | ||
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Disagreeing a bit on the scum lean in plotspot. Is more of a null with a town lean. I really hope he will blow us out of the water with an awesome analysis of the finished D1 tables. :D Having a bit of a hard time as to where I would place sicklucker, but put in relation to other people he starts to look scummier than most, but I will look at him again. Tbh I would love a cop check on him and would probably okay with a vig shot, trying to figure out that guy is getting tiresome. xD Also still want to see more from Sulfurus still. So my list right now would be: 27ninjabunnies sicklucker boxerfred plotspot/Sulfurus: plz do contribute D2 | ||
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First On May 22 2015 11:20 sicklucker wrote: Sulfurus I got a n0 red check no you what say you? Then On May 22 2015 11:39 Sulfurus wrote: @sicklucker I think you are executing this rxn test very poorly since you just congratulated me on having "the best post in the thread" which you probably wouldn't do to some1 you have a red on. And finally much later: On May 24 2015 05:22 cakepie wrote: ～ FAQ ～ Q: Do any of the roles get to use their powers before day 1? A: This game started in Silent Pregame, not Night 0. Therefore, night actions are not possible before Day 1. And we know from the op: On May 12 2015 22:46 cakepie wrote: Questions: Once the game is underway, all questions to the hosts must be sent as PMs, do not ask in the thread. You are not allowed to say in thread you’re going to ask the hosts something, and you are not allowed to share your answer with the thread. If the question is a clarification all town needs to know, the hosts will post an announcement in the thread. So someone pm d this question to the mod. I'm feeling it must have been sulfu reacting to SL s pressure. If sulfu was scum, he would probably post this question on scum qt. Voila not a great argument but a funny one! | ||
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Woud lynch: SL BM plotspot (at least until he posts some real reads) Suspicious of: 27nb Batsnacks BF Dont know: Sulfu Town: Breshke Dis TT Barakos | ||
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Dis is confirmed town. Only reason I had left to suspect him was a possible pocket play. He'd been towning me pretty hard. His last few posts show that he is willing to cast me in a bad light and push against me a little. Between that and his pushes on Sul he is not afraid to speak his mind and go against the grain. He is asking and pushing his questions time and again. | ||
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On May 25 2015 03:38 disformation wrote: Hm. Yeah, there were a few people talking about how lynching inactives is a coinflip and not really good. Since you only mention that once in your whole filter and then still go ahead and vote scott I am not sure, if I am willing to let that slide this easy. Good but very expected question. I explained it in this post: + Show Spoiler + On May 24 2015 01:03 disformation wrote: Okay. As per pre game excuse I will leave in about a hour and be back 1-2 hours after EoD. While I still think we need more pressure on Sulfurus, because he hasn't done anything after his intial posts. Only came back to admit to a mistake I found in one of his early posts and left right after. Hasn't responded at all to the further inquiries and the case I put on him. All in all this makes me highly suspicious. But I have to leave soon and I can't see this wagon getting anywhere, especially with me gone, since I seem to be the only one willing to put pressure on him. My other main suspects were a) boxerfred, to whom I have warmed up on...(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=28#543). Was going to say the same about b) bunnies, but I dislike that she didn't explain why she is still voting me and didn't touch my recent posts at all... at least her motivations seemed to be towny when I interacted with her. c) BM should also have more pressure on him for falling of incredibly hard... d) That basically leaves me with scott who hasn't done jack all game... But since I won't be around and I don't want to waste my vote I will have to vote on a wagon that looks like it will hit something. So I have to choose between disformation and scott. I know the alignment of one of those. I really! hope this won't be a repeat of last game though... NSM IX: we basically on had one super wagon on scott D1. He disappears. Comes into the thread like 1hour before deadline, posts a super towny post along with a OMGUS on me. Gets lynched anyway, flips town. Sad times. Super sry for not being around for EoD, had hoped this would start one day later. To summarize: 1) As per pre game excuse I was going to be away the 5 hours leading to EoD. 2) Since nobody else was in the thread at a time (look at the timestamps), there was no way to get a decent wagon starting. And throwing away votes (looking at ticktoc here) is not going to help. 3) scott was on my suspect list anyway (and has been basically all game). 4) As the only other wagon at the time was me, another vote on scott made it harder to lynch me, since my absence could have been used to get more people on the disformation wagon, without me being able to defend against that. Note that this is pretty much NAI, as neither mafia nor town players like to get lynched. You start tryharding on me. I couldn't say too much on your argumentation before (when Rels started to call out my "I'm a newb" posts) because I saw myself in a bad light and thus tried to do better, which worked - you started to warm up on me. If you still lean me towards scum, I have to assume that you're actively trying to get me lynched, making you SK or scum. So far, I've been really defending myself in a passive way but by now I feel like you're way too aggressive towards other persons, while you keep defending yourself with lots of smileys, trying to make people think positive about you. You accept arguments from others with smiley faces too, acting like you're a gentleman who, even in disagreement, acknowledges the effort/quality/whatever in his opponent's post. You're not a newbie and thus far, you managed to not get yourself into the line of fire very well. So, let me try to get a pick on your arguments towards voting scott: My posts directly go towards your 4 arguments why you voted scott. 1) Not being 5hrs basically means "well I have to vote someone so I better pick". The easiest, cheapest and lowest risk (same move I took..) was voting Scott. I even voted him roughly 4-5 hours before you. Your last minute vote (and since you stated you'd not be there at EOD plus five hours before makes it that) on Scott could very well imply that you're a scum member and, knowing that Scott was scum too, you tried to withhold your vote for as long as possible. Your vote had been on Sulfurus before - which at that point was like the safest pick to choose if you do not want to get pinned down on your opinion on someone. 2) Was there? How about users not being logged in? Since I have literally 0 experience with the TL form of mafia, I can't tell if that actually indicates something. At least for me, when I'm on mobile, I do not auto-login. I rather lurk the thread and read, trying to set up arguments for my later reply. I never type from mobile though. 3) Oh wow. Why was scott on your suspect list? Because of his inactivity if I recall correctly. Not because of any real clue, any words from him or even a read that someone else really had. Saying "I vote Scott for inactivity and jump the train because he's on my suspect list because he's inactive" is a recursional argument that does not really make sense. I agree that this is my weakest argument thus far, but I think that putting someone of whom you KNOW that he's scum (presuming you're scum ofc) on your suspect list from the very beginning is, speaking of long-term, an intelligent thing to do (especially if you can check your mafia qt and by that know that scott is not just inactive, but obviously not even lurking). Would make you look great if you put a fellow scum member on your "suspect" list in later rounds. 4) Wow. You couldn't know that Scott was scum (...), so you jumped his train because you thought your own train would go on? Why? Rels is pretty much behind you, and so was I tbh. You might notice that while you keep going at me, up to this point I never really said something against you - and why would I, your posts are really good. However, when it comes to me, your posts start to lack actual indications of guilt and lend towards setting up a train on me for d2. I don't like that at all, sorry. And then: after all, lynching inactive was a coinflip. So you (as a townie) take a coinflip because "well hopefully I'll survive"? While no real accusations towards scott were pending besides not being there? Also, I assume you were knowing of your absence in before, so you could have very well tried to a) derail your own train or b) try to start another train. But you kept going back and forth, stating "I dislike, I warm up on", and so on. I don't like this. You're testing the waters all over, putting a toe in the sea, but not commiting to anything. Seems like a survivor role to me which screams for SK (or maybe vigi to find a potential target). At this point, I'm rather convinced that you are either sk, scum or a townie who has a horrible read on me. | ||
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I was happy to see dis continue to pressure you to see how you would respond. And woah. I loved the post you just did. I disagree strongly on dis being scummy, why not a SK, we all see where there are no mafia left but no win. | ||
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On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote: You start tryharding on me. I couldn't say too much on your argumentation before (when Rels started to call out my "I'm a newb" posts) because I saw myself in a bad light and thus tried to do better, which worked - you started to warm up on me. If you still lean me towards scum, I have to assume that you're actively trying to get me lynched, making you SK or scum. Yep, started to like you. Then I noticed that (at least in my mind) there was a gap in your filter around your scott vote. Which made me suspicious of you. So not still, but again. You are my #3 lynch target as of now, so of course I am trying to get you lynched. If you think someone is mafia you are trying to lynch him. Don't see problem here. On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote: [...]You're not a newbie and thus far, you managed to not get yourself into the line of fire very well. This is my second mafia game on teamliquid.net , Haven't played forum mafia anywhere else. Played it a few times IRL though. I got a lot of flack for my smilies in the first game here, too. Can't see myself stopping that. My meta shall be known as "that-idiot-with-all-the-smilies", or something. On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote: [...]1) Not being 5hrs basically means "well I have to vote someone so I better pick". The easiest, cheapest and lowest risk (same move I took..) was voting Scott. I even voted him roughly 4-5 hours before you. Your last minute vote (and since you stated you'd not be there at EOD plus five hours before makes it that) on Scott could very well imply that you're a scum member and, knowing that Scott was scum too, you tried to withhold your vote for as long as possible. Your vote had been on Sulfurus before - which at that point was like the safest pick to choose if you do not want to get pinned down on your opinion on someone. A lot of people had Sulfurus as a very high town read. Not a very safe vote in my opinion. Asks for attention. Still a bit unhappy that my formatting was suboptimal and got a lot people confused. Also if we see that as a last minute vote, I had two choices. Me or scott. See below. On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote: 2) Was there? How about users not being logged in? Since I have literally 0 experience with the TL form of mafia, I can't tell if that actually indicates something. At least for me, when I'm on mobile, I do not auto-login. I rather lurk the thread and read, trying to set up arguments for my later reply. I never type from mobile though. I have no clue if/how many people were lurking. So I look at who posted during that time: I enter the thread at 14:35 my time: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=27#540 You vote scott at 14:41 my time. I make two posts at 15:13 and 15:17. plot gives a status update at 15:40 and is gone after that. another post by me at 15:43. bunnies comes in at 17:36 votes me and says she won't be there. at 18:03 I vote scott. next one to enter the thread is ticktoc at 20:06. There was 0 interaction in the thread. It put out some posts and nobody reacted to it. Sure there might have been people lurking, but all available information I had to work with, point out that I was the only one active in thread. On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote: 3) Oh wow. Why was scott on your suspect list? Because of his inactivity if I recall correctly. Not because of any real clue, any words from him or even a read that someone else really had. Saying "I vote Scott for inactivity and jump the train because he's on my suspect list because he's inactive" is a recursional argument that does not really make sense. I agree that this is my weakest argument thus far, but I think that putting someone of whom you KNOW that he's scum (presuming you're scum ofc) on your suspect list from the very beginning is, speaking of long-term, an intelligent thing to do (especially if you can check your mafia qt and by that know that scott is not just inactive, but obviously not even lurking). Would make you look great if you put a fellow scum member on your "suspect" list in later rounds. Scott didn't give me much to work with, yes. As you might have noticed I don't really like people not answering questions and not being active, because that doesn't give me information. Not giving me information makes me think you want to hide stuff. Thus I was suspicous of him nearly all game. Yes, I wish I had a better reason, but that's it. Not really interested in talking about what may or may not have happened with scott and the Mafia QT. He may have indicated that he won't play, but then he left without even voting, which could have ended in a modkill... maybe he vanished. All super WIFOM and leading nowhere. On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote: 4) Wow. You couldn't know that Scott was scum (...), so you jumped his train because you thought your own train would go on? Why? Rels is pretty much behind you, and so was I tbh. sicklucker has expressed multiple times that he would vote me. People could have switched wagons. A lot of stuff can happen in the last hour before EoD. EoD1 of NSM IX was super crazy for example. On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote: [...]And then: after all, lynching inactive was a coinflip. So you (as a townie) take a coinflip because "well hopefully I'll survive"? I am 100% town, scott is a lot less % town. I would make this play every day, every game. On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote: [...]Also, I assume you were knowing of your absence in before, so you could have very well tried to a) derail your own train or b) try to start another train. I tried getting a Sulfurus train started Friday. Had I known that the acivity levels Saturday would be so abyssal I might have tried something else. How do I derail a train, when the people on that train are not talking to me? bunnies literally came in the thread saying "oh let me ignore your last posts, I am going to vote you anyway. going camping now, cucu". plotspot was like "hey guys still updating my stuff, i'll ignore everything else." How do you derail this, if you have any idea let me know, I'll write it down for next time. On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote: [...]not commiting to anything. Seems like a survivor role to me which screams for SK (or maybe vigi to find a potential target). At this point, I'm rather convinced that you are either sk, scum or a townie who has a horrible read on me. Yeah, not commiting and waffling a lot about people is one of my weak points. Had that problem previous game, too. Incidentally your conclusion is that I could be every role in the game. Also: You are getting super defensive the first time someone does a real push on you. You shouldn't need to at this point. You have 0 votes on your head. I think nearly everyone would agree to lynch either me, bunnies or sicklucker first. This makes me want to lean even more scum on you. inb4 we start to OMGUS at each other a lot. | ||
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Also: If anyone feels like I missed, skipped or failed to address a point or issue, please point that out, so I can fix that. | ||
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