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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 28 2015 13:13 GMT
#1581
So your logic here is that by roleblocking Bara you've proven him town?

What was your reasoning RBing him in the first place?
I can take that responsibility.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 28 2015 13:13 GMT
#1582
On May 28 2015 22:10 plotspot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2015 22:02 Tictock wrote:
Humm, what was your thinking blocking Bara?

You've been clearly scumming me since much earlier than N2, why didn't you block me?


No I didn't, you remember the post where I ask bunny to go out and give her gut read and said I thought you were town? It was just when batsnacks claimed cop along with all his checks that I slowly crept on the thought that you are scum. And the town elimination thing just supports this:
Bats = cops
Bunny = town
Barakos = town
plotspot = RB
Breshke = Mason
disformation = town
boxerfred = Mason
---
there are two people left = you and Sulfurus. I rechecked the filters and you it would fit that you and Sulfu and scott are scum trio.



wronggg
Barakos
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany358 Posts
May 28 2015 13:14 GMT
#1583
On May 28 2015 22:13 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2015 22:10 plotspot wrote:
On May 28 2015 22:02 Tictock wrote:
Humm, what was your thinking blocking Bara?

You've been clearly scumming me since much earlier than N2, why didn't you block me?


No I didn't, you remember the post where I ask bunny to go out and give her gut read and said I thought you were town? It was just when batsnacks claimed cop along with all his checks that I slowly crept on the thought that you are scum. And the town elimination thing just supports this:
Bats = cops
Bunny = town
Barakos = town
plotspot = RB
Breshke = Mason
disformation = town
boxerfred = Mason
---
there are two people left = you and Sulfurus. I rechecked the filters and you it would fit that you and Sulfu and scott are scum trio.



wronggg


yeah... he missspelled tictock pretty bad.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 28 2015 13:15 GMT
#1584
On May 28 2015 22:13 Tictock wrote:
So your logic here is that by roleblocking Bara you've proven him town?

What was your reasoning RBing him in the first place?

@Plots
actually ignore the non bolded question
I can take that responsibility.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 28 2015 13:17 GMT
#1585
On May 28 2015 21:43 plotspot wrote:
And I already explained why an RB, Mason and Cop is fair to Mafia RB, Mafia Godfather and Mafia Goon. Scumteam Tictock Sulfurus just had bad luck that we just hit Barakos (both me and Bats), Rels (me) and 27ninja. Or is there any doubt to whether 27ninja might be Godfather? Her cluelessness simply makes it extremely unlikely.
You even see now that Tictock tries hard to deflect from voting for Sulfurus for whatever reason you want. And I posted a post about Sulfurus just somewhere above that gives her away as Mafia, especially if you know the setup now.


town
RB = 1 active role
cop = 1 active role
masons = 2 passive roles
= 2 active, 2 passive

mafia
GF = 1 passive role
RB = 1 active role
= 1 active, 1 passive

*scratches head* How about no?

Also ticktoc just posted a pretty credible blue claim. You will have to make a pretty damn good case to convince me he is lying. Your unflipped association stuff with Sulfurus and ticktoc is nowhere near being a good case.

##vote: plotspot
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
May 28 2015 13:17 GMT
#1586
On May 28 2015 09:48 Sulfurus wrote:
@Batsnacks How do you know Bunnies is not the GF?


I will explain how this post will reveal Sulfurus as Mafia, and basically supports my case without the Tictock interaction.
Sulfurus posted that question after clueless Batsnacks and disformation are hysterical about there being another Mafia RB.
The right question would have been "How do you know Bunnies and Barakos are not the GF"? In her mind it was 100% technically perfect that Barakos cannot be mafia. She assumes that Batsnacks believed this lie. The truth his however it is totally possible for Barakos to be Godfather with the Town RB setup. He just automatically reads him town because he is mafia.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 28 2015 13:18 GMT
#1587
While I wait for an answer...

##Unvote
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 28 2015 13:21 GMT
#1588
@Dis

Thanks, that does make that setup idea seem too town heavy. I'll remember to try and break things down like that in the future.
I can take that responsibility.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 28 2015 13:25 GMT
#1589
On May 28 2015 22:17 plotspot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2015 09:48 Sulfurus wrote:
@Batsnacks How do you know Bunnies is not the GF?


I will explain how this post will reveal Sulfurus as Mafia, and basically supports my case without the Tictock interaction.
Sulfurus posted that question after clueless Batsnacks and disformation are hysterical about there being another Mafia RB.
The right question would have been "How do you know Bunnies and Barakos are not the GF"? In her mind it was 100% technically perfect that Barakos cannot be mafia. She assumes that Batsnacks believed this lie. The truth his however it is totally possible for Barakos to be Godfather with the Town RB setup. He just automatically reads him town because he is mafia.


trying to discredit some people unlikely to buy your story? cute.
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
May 28 2015 13:28 GMT
#1590
You also have to consider that the ways things turned out, Tictock and Sulfurus are quite in the dark. They just see that someone has claimed being roleblocked and some cop turned up, technically they cannot confirm it. That's why you see Tictock fishing in the dark very akwardly here:

On May 28 2015 13:43 Tictock wrote:
Ok I skimmed from EoN till now, there's a lot to think about and some stuff I want to look into.

First things first, farewell to Breshke one of our town masons.

2nd off, I really don't think town RB should claim, maybe I'm wrong here but wouldn't Town RB be the strongest role in a cop, mason, RB town setup? Town RB claiming will make them a sure fire target tonight, seems to me town RB will want to hold off claiming as long as possible to avoid being NK'd and allowing potential blocks of NKs.

Masons seem like a weakish role. I don't see much reason why the remaining mason shouldn't claim as it will help confirm one more town.

I notice SL and Dis are expecting me to claim mason. Honestly though, I feel like if I were a role wouldn't I be in the best position to not claim? Like most people are reading me as town anyway, if I were to claim a role it wouldn't really narrow things down at the moment.

Also, why the hell is plots trying to No Lynch?


and here

On May 28 2015 13:57 Tictock wrote:
I'm clearly very bad at role speculating + Show Spoiler +
carried away by SK nonsense, that is clearly false now
but I can't help feeling like something is off here.

Ok we have Bre as the only confirmed role since he flipped mason.

There is a strong possibility of a town role blocker, but I don't see why it would be impossible for mafia to have 2 RBs it's not very likely but I don't want to rule it out just yet.

Bats claiming Cop is interesting, and it makes sense with how he's been playing. However, there is the (admittedly slim) possibility of Bats and 27nb being scum partners and them pushing inactives for their 3 needed mislynches.

Also, if we assume that town has Masons, a Cop, and a RB it seems VERY likely that mafia would have a GF and means we can't trust the cop checks 100%.

I know I'm getting a bit WIFOM here, but this is what is running through my head and are all things town needs to keep in mind. Town really needs to lynch Scum today because we are starting to loose our ground so I just want us to really think through the options now.

plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
May 28 2015 13:34 GMT
#1591
On May 28 2015 22:25 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2015 22:17 plotspot wrote:
On May 28 2015 09:48 Sulfurus wrote:
@Batsnacks How do you know Bunnies is not the GF?


I will explain how this post will reveal Sulfurus as Mafia, and basically supports my case without the Tictock interaction.
Sulfurus posted that question after clueless Batsnacks and disformation are hysterical about there being another Mafia RB.
The right question would have been "How do you know Bunnies and Barakos are not the GF"? In her mind it was 100% technically perfect that Barakos cannot be mafia. She assumes that Batsnacks believed this lie. The truth his however it is totally possible for Barakos to be Godfather with the Town RB setup. He just automatically reads him town because he is mafia.


trying to discredit some people unlikely to buy your story? cute.

I'm supporting you guys here, it's naturally that you are confused whether there is a Mafia RB or not. I'm a Town RB, it's impossible. I'm not discrediting you, the way you have been reinforces that you are town. You even made a big case trying to solve the game.
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
May 28 2015 13:36 GMT
#1592
I just have to wait for Boxerfred to turn up and CC' Tictock. He has been not wanting to claim Mason now suddenly changes his mind, does nobody find that suspicious?
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 28 2015 13:37 GMT
#1593

I notice SL and Dis are expecting me to claim mason. Honestly though, I feel like if I were a role wouldn't I be in the best position to not claim? Like most people are reading me as town anyway, if I were to claim a role it wouldn't really narrow things down at the moment.


I would have held to this thinking as well, but once the role speculation started to get too out of hand I realized it was in fact doing town more harm than good.

And thanks to a thing known as "a flip" Bre is in fact the only confirmed blue role at this moment in the game. It's up to town to decide if the people claiming roles have been acting in line with that role, and to sniff out any fake claims that have inconsistencies.

I think he still missed my question.

PLOTSPOT!!


What was your reasoning RBing him in the first place?


The "him" = Barakos
I can take that responsibility.
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
May 28 2015 13:45 GMT
#1594
You should also noticed how Tictock while earlier always trying to establish a connection to both me and SL as possible scum partners for the possible event of lynching both some day, suddenly backs off when I said I was RBed on N2. He is hella afraid of targeting me since and just dodges everything. While I was not established technically 100% town; it was practically 99% since now mafia would just make this up if they didn't get RB or if they were like no way they would give free information for town about their setup.

Even today in the morning when interacted a bit with him, all he calls me is "you're a bad townie" like he has basically read me town. I promise you if there was any slight chance I was not confirmed 99% town he would have used quite some different words. At that time Mafia was still clueless remember? They wanted to establish confusion that there was a possible 2nd Mafia RB, but if they wanted to hold up this theory they would have to 100% read me town, just like Tictock does.

Now he finds some support and manages to swing the votes on me. Sulfurus is safe, never to be mentioned again, or only in weak-ass push attempt I betcha.

plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
May 28 2015 13:48 GMT
#1595
On May 28 2015 22:37 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +

I notice SL and Dis are expecting me to claim mason. Honestly though, I feel like if I were a role wouldn't I be in the best position to not claim? Like most people are reading me as town anyway, if I were to claim a role it wouldn't really narrow things down at the moment.


I would have held to this thinking as well, but once the role speculation started to get too out of hand I realized it was in fact doing town more harm than good.

And thanks to a thing known as "a flip" Bre is in fact the only confirmed blue role at this moment in the game. It's up to town to decide if the people claiming roles have been acting in line with that role, and to sniff out any fake claims that have inconsistencies.

I think he still missed my question.

PLOTSPOT!!


Show nested quote +
What was your reasoning RBing him in the first place?


The "him" = Barakos


I couldn't read him that well. While I said he was town earlier, I had my doubts internally and not published. I wonder why batsnacks thought the same?
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
May 28 2015 13:52 GMT
#1596
Like you guys see: there are so many established towns. We vote for Sulfurus. If he flips Red. I RB Tictock, Bats copchecks him, tells us on Day 3 and we know whether Tictock is Goon or GF before we lynch.
If Sulfurus flips green feel free to lynch me next, because obviously then I haven't got the game solved and wasted all your time. Do we have a deal?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 28 2015 13:58 GMT
#1597
On May 28 2015 22:48 plotspot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2015 22:37 Tictock wrote:

I notice SL and Dis are expecting me to claim mason. Honestly though, I feel like if I were a role wouldn't I be in the best position to not claim? Like most people are reading me as town anyway, if I were to claim a role it wouldn't really narrow things down at the moment.


I would have held to this thinking as well, but once the role speculation started to get too out of hand I realized it was in fact doing town more harm than good.

And thanks to a thing known as "a flip" Bre is in fact the only confirmed blue role at this moment in the game. It's up to town to decide if the people claiming roles have been acting in line with that role, and to sniff out any fake claims that have inconsistencies.

I think he still missed my question.

PLOTSPOT!!


What was your reasoning RBing him in the first place?


The "him" = Barakos


I couldn't read him that well. While I said he was town earlier, I had my doubts internally and not published. I wonder why batsnacks thought the same?


That is basically the only mention of barakos in your filter...

On May 26 2015 07:47 plotspot wrote:
Barakos: feels genuine. I believe what he says. He has an alerting but inoffensive way of expressing himself and most (if not all) his posts I can say: “hmm yeah I see the meaning behind it”. A possibly strange point which reinforce my town read on him is that he fantasizes about how scum QT looks like here. For me it’s hard to imagine scum would do that, I mean just for the thought of it at all. But here we have a townie imagining how things went in the scum QT and scott’s case is really a strange one, that leaves me wondering whether he betrayed his mates or whether they knew he had some time issues and just deal with it somehow.


Why the fuck would you roleblock a null/town read over a scum read?
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
May 28 2015 14:00 GMT
#1598
Tictock you're not reading well. I don't say I RBed Barakos and thus confirmed him town. I even said that even with Bats' cop check on him he is not 100% town in this setup of me being Town RB. It's Sulfurus' slip that proves he is town. I posted about that slip earlier. And to be honest why do we not believe Barakos is town from additional sources. Barakos even in this post says he is vt. Disformation even says he is vt. And my whole theories support that even without you guys hard claiming.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 28 2015 14:00 GMT
#1599
Thank you plots. You've finally helped me out, kus I've been unsure if this is some Yolo swag Mafia play or just you being a bad town.

##Vote: Plotspot

On May 28 2015 22:52 plotspot wrote:
If Sulfurus flips green feel free to lynch me next, because obviously then I haven't got the game solved and wasted all your time. Do we have a deal?


100% scum logic when we are 3 mislynches from a Mafia win. Town should not be willing to stake their lives like this as if they are in fact wrong it sets mafia up so well.
I can take that responsibility.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 28 2015 14:00 GMT
#1600
Ah. Damn. Just noticed...
We either have a town rb or a 2nd mafia rb. Because we only have one claimed rb each night...
Maybe I am clueless.
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