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On May 27 2015 17:56 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 17:54 Barakos wrote:
bats.
but in a world where sl isn't scum he is cleared imho, as i explained in the earlier post. yeah sorry probably could have put two and two together. Does it not cross your mind that all three of your main suspects voted for the mafia D1? If two of them are mafia why didn't they just switch to disfo? This is mainly about bats/SL being possible partners. But moving on. Bunnies being a prime suspect. What conclusions could you get from that?
Well... if two of them are mafia, then there is the high possibility that disfo is mafia?
And if disfo isn't mafia bats + sl switching to hammer a town... you know, how bad this would look. So the decision here would have to be made between trying to get towncred by hammering the inacitve partner or saving the inactive partner and drawing suspicion towards them.
Moving on:
27nb being mafia would clear disfo, for her weird switch towards him based on some link she saw between him and bf.
I wouldn't be more suspicious of sulfurus than I am now, just because she declared him top town early on (which she then retracted by saying he would be a good cop-check), since this would be way too obvious and would in my eyes be mafia trying to pocket an inexperienced newbie.
rest of her filter is pretty much the case on bm...
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Dis has been considered scummy by a lot of people and while I'm fairly convinced he's town I did say I'd be willing to reread people.
I don't mind Bara's thought about 27nb flipping red clearing Dis, but I'm not a fan of lynching someone for info.
I'll reread Dis's filter and prob make some crazy long post processing my thinking.
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On May 27 2015 18:55 Tictock wrote:
I don't mind Bara's thought about 27nb flipping red clearing Dis, but I'm not a fan of lynching someone for info.
that's not at all, what I said... I said in case of her flipping red disfo is likely green. I didn't say kill her, so we can clear disfo if she is scum. That's a huge difference.
And this all is in a hypothetical world in which noone of disfo, sl and bs is scum, so there is a lot of if-then-else included here.
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Fair enough, you did use the word "clear" before and I know you've been unsure of Dis so it sounded like that was the only way you'd believe Dis is town.
Still working through Dis' filter myself. It's one of the longer ones.
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On May 27 2015 19:23 Barakos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 18:55 Tictock wrote:
I don't mind Bara's thought about 27nb flipping red clearing Dis, but I'm not a fan of lynching someone for info.
that's not at all, what I said... I said in case of her flipping red disfo is likely green. I didn't say kill her, so we can clear disfo if she is scum. That's a huge difference. And this all is in a hypothetical world in which noone of disfo, sl and bs is scum, so there is a lot of if-then-else included here.
I askeed you that hypothetical because thats how i am reading the game. I still don't understand your bats/SL thing.
For example if bats is scum with SL that means bunnies is town. So yes bunnies started the train on BM but it wouldnt of gone anywhere without bats first backing it. So why does bats move the lynch from one town to another town? What is his motive behind this?
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On May 27 2015 19:33 Breshke wrote:
I askeed you that hypothetical because thats how i am reading the game. I still don't understand your bats/SL thing.
For example if bats is scum with SL that means bunnies is town. So yes bunnies started the train on BM but it wouldnt of gone anywhere without bats first backing it. So why does bats move the lynch from one town to another town? What is his motive behind this?
He basically doesn't care and since he promised to unvote, if bunnies starts taking part in the game it's an easy thing for him to switch votes...
I'll try to explain the bats/sl thing...
the bats / sl thing is basically, that sl was rolehunting with all his claims and the mason-thing and bats didn't call him out for that.
then somebody had a theory about one of the wagons being started by a cop, having a redcheck (simplyfied, but that's the main thing) and bats immidiatly called him out for rolefishing.
I pointed out, that he treated rolehunting in both cases differently. He told me, he didn't call sl out on rolehunting, because sl made a case vs me, after which i reread the interaction between batsnacks and sl and sl never made a case vs me as a response to batsnacks asking him to.
The "case" which sl made was 4 hours later, after bats wasn't even in the thread anymore, so I called bats out on this, after which sl jumped in and said they had talked about me a lot, which just wasn't true.
Hope that clears this up and you can see my line of thought.
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On May 27 2015 13:30 Tictock wrote:Here I'll show you how it's done You posted I read this and it tells me that you agree with SL's point you linked Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 18:59 sicklucker wrote:
If i was mafia partners with scott heres what I would do. I would come into the thread near the vote, tell everyone that scott did not vote and will probably be mod killed ( which is acualy something that would have happened) and pushed the vote on a town 1) You say you like SL's reasoning because 2) You also say Correct? + Show Spoiler +If so, please reread what I said again. On May 27 2015 04:03 Tictock wrote:He starts by taking about a post SL make, says he likes Bre's and Barak's reaction to it, but still seems to support. Here are the reactions he likes even though he seems to be supporting SL's point. Says SL's point is the plausible way of doing things without risk. Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 19:02 Breshke wrote:On May 24 2015 18:59 sicklucker wrote:
If i was mafia partners with scott heres what I would do. I would come into the thread near the vote, tell everyone that scott did not vote and will probably be mod killed ( which is acualy something that would have happened) and pushed the vote on a town Honeslty noone cares about this. hy is rels mafia. Start scumhunting or just die honestly play the game. Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 19:13 Barakos wrote:
Pretty sure, he would have been warned, since he posted and this is a newbie-game but whatever...
Your logic fails, since nobody would do this, if they actually thought, scott would be modkilled, since him flipping red would make the person pushing for lynching someone different really bad. My point? You cannot agree with SL Bre and Barak here. Bre and Barak are clearly against SL'd logic. If not please explain where my reading comprehension falls apart.
It falls about because you don't connect the bolded parts together.
On May 26 2015 11:04 plotspot wrote:I see SL is getting scumrpoints for some strange suggestions about how to handle Scott’s case to which Barakos and Breshke replied and I would have to agree to their opinion. It’s simply the more plausible way to do things, rather than risking it. Starting here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24308265
If I wanted to say what you said I did. It would obviously use one of the version I pointed out to you to avoid ambiguity:
version A:
I see SL is getting scumrpoints for some strange suggestions about how to handle Scott’s case to which Barakos and Breshke replied and I would have to agree to his opinion. It’s simply the more plausible way to do things, rather than risking it. Starting here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24308265
version B:
I see SL is getting scumrpoints for some strange suggestions about how to handle Scott’s case to which Barakos and Breshke replied and I would have to agree to their opinion. But It’s simply the more plausible way to do things, rather than risking it. Starting here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24308265
And I also said "starting here". This is signaling a sequence. This post of SL started the interaction with Breshke and Barakos. Otherwise I would have used "here" or "I mean this post", something that indicates one post only which I for example did here:
In another example I also used "starting here":
for a sequence of interaction that SL had with Dis.
That's why I said you're biased or tunneled or something. Because any objectively normal thinking person would have used this logical sequence rather than yours. The thing is, if there was any doubt as to how I meant it (and I'm certain you had your doubts, you just don't want to openly admit it), because you said yourself that it was strange how I agree to both at the same time when they are contradictory opinions, you weren't interested in asking me directly about it. You just used it to support your case of "hey guys, look this guy makes such a confusing post, but I can't bother to clarify it with him first, because If I did I can't use it for my case anymore."
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Anyway Tictock, you still haven't answered my question here, please do so.
On May 27 2015 06:16 plotspot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 04:03 Tictock wrote:Then his conclusion is a non-conclusion Ok to summarize why I used all this. Things about SL are very shifty. He is walking on the edge. Is there any reason for him to do it when he is not scum? Is there a reason anyone who is town deliberately tries to walk on the edge, when he could pose himself to look more towny? Think about it… Idk doesn't really seem like he's trying to read ans is more still defending SL like he has been, just in a fancier post. Just how I'm seeing this. Ok tell me, have you thought about these two questions like I suggested at the end? Can you answer them?
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I also said "rather than risking it". Like, is there any doubt as to whether Breskhe and Barakos's handling the situation of Scott is the totally riskless way and SL's version is the way risking his (Scott's) lynch by speculating on a modkill?
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Now here is me setting something up to get you to be lynched later.
"blah blah. Though I did read TT town earlier .. blah blah, by now I have to relook bla blah, he keeps on tunneling me bla blah, a normal townie would have backed out by now ... bla blah he must have a very big ego blah blah ... or he might be scum... blah blah... hmm blah blah, I'm not so sure... because earlier ... hmm blah blah... but yeah I'm starting to lean on him as scum... blah blah *more made up reasonings*... blah blah."
I'm waiting when someone is going to quote this post. Pointing out strange behavior or some stuff. Like 100% that will happen in the future, with some clever wording and counter-logics. I'll just wait and see.
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Plots your just throwing the same shit back in here and not even trying to help restate your thoughts. Fine, I should have asked you to clarify before I posted, that's fair but it was EoD and i was rushed. This was only one point I made anyways and you've blown in out of proportion.
Ok to summarize why I used all this. Things about SL are very shifty. He is walking on the edge. Is there any reason for him to do it when he is not scum? Is there a reason anyone who is town deliberately tries to walk on the edge, when he could pose himself to look more towny? Think about it…
I literally don't care about your questions, SL plays like this every game.
I find it far more interesting that you refuse to clearly state what YOU think.
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No really I insist, it's just two questions. You'd be fair to answer them, after you asked so many things from me. They contain keys to what I really think SL is, why would you not try? Give me some answers, or are you afraid that the more answers you give the more holes people can poke into your logics?
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Fine, it's basically the same question so I'll answer the generalized one. 3 reasons I can think of
1) To poke and get reads, SL himself claimed this
2) Keeps them from being clear target to Mafia, possible way to hide as a role
3) Playstyle choice, makes your scum game more in line with town game.
#3 is my assessment of SL, though 1 is valid.
I know SL is not a role this game, least not a town role...
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On May 27 2015 16:09 sicklucker wrote:
disinfo acualy pushed bunnies unlike the other scrubs altho he got swayed at the end
Yeah. I get the feeling that I am swayed too easy. My waffling is really bad this game, too. Should try harder to eliminate these aspects from my play. -.-
At least my pushing is a bit better than last game, imo.
Semi-present... trying to reevaluate some stuff. If you have questions axe me some. 
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Anyways, I get the feeling I'm trying to hard this game.
Gunna take a lesson from BM and bugger off.
Dis is still town
and @ Dis about the waffling, me too....
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Don't worry I figured out the spirit of this game, though whether I agree to it is something different. People in this game just try the save their fucking skin most of the time, by applying certain sure-fire mechanics to avoid suspicion.
These sure fire mechanics include:
1. Always write our your reasoning. Ninjavoting like BM is bad. BM, now that is he town, it's obvious he doesn't care, he makes some internal reasoning as to why bunnies is scum and just votes her. Why does he always have to detail out what he thinks? LOL exactly, because otherwise he'd just get lynched like that
2. Prepare your reads by progressing them. Never jump from this guy is town to this guy is scum in the next post, although you obviously have your own reasoning and didn't want to publish them. Always start saying you find this or that suspicious, then it's easier to say later "see I am consistent, I already had that thought earlier". yeah right.
3. Be as vague as possible but not too vague, so that it can get you into trouble. By saying "I don't know" "I think it's like that" "just my opinion" "I like that" "I don't like that" "I am not sure of what to make from that" you are on the right track, but just don't pushi this technique too hard.
4. Be detached as possible: Don't let yourself get emotionally involved. Just ignore the guy pushing you. Make up reasons for it if you want. Be cool.
5. Shift the focus to something "more important". Yeah you're a tight spot after some misslip. Tell the other guys to focus on more importanat matters, like "finding scum". If he doesn't that it looks good for you because you're trying to find scum, and is not. Lol
6. Ask questions. Right. Buy yourself time, ask the other guys something, let him make the effort. It's most likely he makes mistakes when he writes more than you.
anything else I forgot or don't know about, please this is so interesting
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On May 27 2015 20:42 Tictock wrote:
Fine, it's basically the same question so I'll answer the generalized one. 3 reasons I can think of
1) To poke and get reads, SL himself claimed this
2) Keeps them from being clear target to Mafia, possible way to hide as a role
3) Playstyle choice, makes your scum game more in line with town game.
#3 is my assessment of SL, though 1 is valid.
I know SL is not a role this game, least not a town role...
You see, you're only acting dumb (obviously, sorry if I called you out on this). My opinion is #2. How can you exclude #2. Ok I admit I have NEVER ever plyed with SL, so I don't see why #2 is a no-go.
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bats probably didnt call me out for it because im right
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On May 27 2015 20:59 plotspot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 20:42 Tictock wrote:
Fine, it's basically the same question so I'll answer the generalized one. 3 reasons I can think of
1) To poke and get reads, SL himself claimed this
2) Keeps them from being clear target to Mafia, possible way to hide as a role
3) Playstyle choice, makes your scum game more in line with town game.
#3 is my assessment of SL, though 1 is valid.
I know SL is not a role this game, least not a town role... You see, you're only acting dumb (obviously, sorry if I called you out on this). My opinion is #2. How can you exclude #2. Ok I admit I have NEVER ever plyed with SL, so I don't see why #2 is a no-go.
DON'T FUCKING SPECULATE ABOUT SOMEONE BEING A ROLE FFS -.-
If you think somebody is a town role, try to verify it privately but not out in the open. Is the concept of hiding blueroles so hard to grasp?
You play the game to find mafia and not to find fucking blueroles so stop discussing it in thread unless claimed... you are doing mafias job atm. -.-
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