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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On May 29 2015 06:07 plotspot wrote: Right I have no experience with it. If you think it's unusual, let's ask cakepie after the game why that is, do you agree? That is basically my whole problem. The setup IS unusual no matter how I think about it. And if you or batsnacks are lying this stance might make town lose. | ||
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plotspot
800 Posts
On May 29 2015 06:11 disformation wrote: That is basically my whole problem. The setup IS unusual no matter how I think about it. And if you or batsnacks are lying this stance might make town lose. Are you sure you have checked all the possibilities (also from the side of mafia) and came to the conclusion that it is unusual? No one is lying we are simply unclaimed blue roles, that's all there is to it. We should avoid talking about, it can only benefit mafia considering CClaiming. | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On May 29 2015 06:19 batsnacks wrote: @disinfo My d2 play made enough sense for you to vote with me for the same reasons I did. Upon rereading it N2, I found it strange that your only interaction with bunnies was asking her for a read on barakos.  | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
On May 29 2015 06:17 plotspot wrote: Are you sure you have checked all the possibilities (also from the side of mafia) and came to the conclusion that it is unusual? No one is lying we are simply unclaimed blue roles, that's all there is to it. We should avoid talking about, it can only benefit mafia considering CClaiming. I would tell you this as either alignment: 4 blues in this setup is unusual. Meaning it wouldn't be terrible for you to be at least slightly suspicious of my claim. I think tiktok is objectively the most likely to be telling the truth. If you don't understand why you can ask. We should definitely -not- avoid talking about it. Mafia is never going to cc anything for the rest of the game it would be suicide at this point. If you don't understand why you can ask. Here is every possibility:
Assume anyone lying is mafia. Nothing else is possible. | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
On May 29 2015 06:21 disformation wrote: Upon rereading it N2, I found it strange that your only interaction with bunnies was asking her for a read on barakos. I am intentionally less useful at night, especially when I'm the cop. It makes sense if you think about it. | ||
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plotspot
800 Posts
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On May 29 2015 06:29 batsnacks wrote: I am intentionally less useful at night, especially when I'm the cop. It makes sense if you think about it. meant to say "upon rereading your D2 behaviour during N2". | ||
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plotspot
800 Posts
On May 29 2015 06:28 batsnacks wrote: I would tell you this as either alignment: 4 blues in this setup is unusual. Meaning it wouldn't be terrible for you to be at least slightly suspicious of my claim. I think tiktok is objectively the most likely to be telling the truth. If you don't understand why you can ask. We should definitely -not- avoid talking about it. Mafia is never going to cc anything for the rest of the game it would be suicide at this point. If you don't understand why you can ask. Here is every possibility:
Assume anyone lying is mafia. Nothing else is possible. Ok I think I get it. Thanks for detailiing it out. | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
On May 29 2015 06:32 disformation wrote: meant to say "upon rereading your D2 behaviour during N2". That was definitely not my only interaction with bunnies d2. I was the first person to vote bunnies. I started the wagon on her. I repeatedly asked her about bill. When she responded I followed up and asked for her comments on bill's big post that got everyone off his back. I asked her for reads on everyone. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On May 29 2015 06:37 batsnacks wrote: That was definitely not my only interaction with bunnies d2. I was the first person to vote bunnies. I started the wagon on her. I repeatedly asked her about bill. When she responded I followed up and asked for her comments on bill's big post that got everyone off his back. I asked her for reads on everyone. rereading. please stay tuned. | ||
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plotspot
800 Posts
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
D1 you say you lean scum on bunnies and want to reread her filter. then you go "well she's okay" and vote scott. D2 you ask sicklucker what he thinks of bunnies. + Show Spoiler + On May 25 2015 08:18 sicklucker wrote: a bunnies lynch wouldnt make me happy but I wouldnt cry about it You vote her out of the blue on next things on bunnies: + Show Spoiler + On May 26 2015 04:28 batsnacks wrote: 27nb and SL please give a read on barakos when you can. Then you state a few times that you probably will unvote bunnies: + Show Spoiler + On May 26 2015 20:23 batsnacks wrote: It should be easy for 27nb to not be the lynch today all she has to do is try and cooperate, which she's doing neither. On May 26 2015 20:27 batsnacks wrote: If 27nb shows up and makes some super compelling push on e.g. sulfur and makes a strong case on why she's town I'd probably unvote. She just needs to do what SL is doing and 1) try and 2) cooperate. State that she also could be the lynch that day: + Show Spoiler + On May 26 2015 20:47 batsnacks wrote: I could see any of 27nb, bm, sulfur, Barakos, or even me being the lynch today. SL earned another day imo. Tiktok, BF, plot, disfo are all safe for now I think, unless I missed something huge. It sort of depends on what, if anything, bunnies does. bunnies shows up, cases BM, ignores your previous question: you ask her two question, which she answers: <- missed that part, sry  + Show Spoiler + On May 26 2015 23:13 batsnacks wrote: Bunnies talk about his big post. That's the one that got people off his back. On May 27 2015 04:44 batsnacks wrote: 27nb what about breshke? Okay, yeah she answered two of your questions, that is more interaction than I could remember. sry. I think I start to get confused by constantly rereading stuff. Should probably go to bed before I start to post more crap. =/ | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
On May 29 2015 06:41 plotspot wrote: Or maybe if you have time you can explain to me why mason-mason is so strong. In my inexperienced eye they are just two confirmed towns to each other, and this gives them some sort of potential to sheep and defend each other, but I cannot see how it's related to these night-activity roles. I feel like I compare bananas and apples. Mason-mason is strong because they can confirm each other town to the rest of the town. Unfortunately breshke died without saying who his partner is, but I think tiktok is telling the truth because if he is mafia he is risking being cced by breshke's partner (if breshke has a partner). 2 masons are almost as strong as 1 cop for town. Using this game as an example: I am the cop and I got two green checks before I will inevitably die tonight, so godfathers not considered I was able to get two checks. If two masons confirm each other town, that's very similar to two checks. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On May 29 2015 06:28 batsnacks wrote: I would tell you this as either alignment: 4 blues in this setup is unusual. Meaning it wouldn't be terrible for you to be at least slightly suspicious of my claim. I think tiktok is objectively the most likely to be telling the truth. If you don't understand why you can ask. We should definitely -not- avoid talking about it. Mafia is never going to cc anything for the rest of the game it would be suicide at this point. If you don't understand why you can ask. Here is every possibility:
Assume anyone lying is mafia. Nothing else is possible. Bats is taking the right approach here. While it would be nice to just assume that all the claims are true and then focus on the people remaining it is also a suicide play for town. Once again town needs to avoid any more mislynchs and so we need to have solid reasoning as to why we believe and unfonfirmed role claim, otherwise this is too easy of a place for scum to hide. On May 29 2015 06:09 disformation wrote: Yeah, I agree that we should stop talking about roles and claims that much and just lynch the scummiest person around. I agree, to an extent (what i said above). I've also been asking town to critically think about this point all day. Even among the claims, is there somebody who is doing scummy things? Once again, I'm a bit biased so I'm not going to make a case here. But Town NEEDS to consider these points, we cannot afford to limit our pool of potential scum without good reason. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
If you even have the slightest doubt that I am not Bre's partner. I'm here, ask away. I still need to look through your filter and double check that I believe your Cop claim. Besides that one slim point I made, I really was willing to believe it earlier. It matches up with your play being somewhat lurky and you not always giving us great reasoning for stuff. I also think you doubting your own checks now given unknown setups means you are more willing to look at this game critically, which makes you obv town. | ||
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plotspot
800 Posts
On May 29 2015 06:52 batsnacks wrote: Mason-mason is strong because they can confirm each other town to the rest of the town. Unfortunately breshke died without saying who his partner is, but I think tiktok is telling the truth because if he is mafia he is risking being cced by breshke's partner (if breshke has a partner). 2 masons are almost as strong as 1 cop for town. Using this game as an example: I am the cop and I got two green checks before I will inevitably die tonight, so godfathers not considered I was able to get two checks. If two masons confirm each other town, that's very similar to two checks. Do you think the flavour of cakepie mentioning both of the Mason roles is a tell that there are actually 2 of them? Also, if you have a mason-mason cop rb setup is it still unusual if mafia has two GFs instead of one? | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
On May 29 2015 07:03 Tictock wrote: @ Bats If you even have the slightest doubt that I am not Bre's partner. I'm here, ask away. I still need to look through your filter and double check that I believe your Cop claim. Besides that one slim point I made, I really was willing to believe it earlier. It matches up with your play being somewhat lurky and you not always giving us great reasoning for stuff. I also think you doubting your own checks now given unknown setups means you are more willing to look at this game critically, which makes you obv town. Not that we have any way of verifying but it might be cool for you to paraphrase what you and breshke were talking about. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
@ BF You mention you brought up questions you wanted answered. I feel like i lost them in your like 20 post spam. Can you restate please? I also want to remind you that while i for a moment considered you and plots as potential scum team, I dismissed it the next post. It was only based on what plots has said, and if he is scum it could have been a move to push you into the limelight after he gets lynched. I'd also like you to critically look at the 3 claims made today, you've been wanting to do roles stuff for the past few phases, now is your chance. Look through each claim and tell me what makes you think the claim could be legit and what could not be legit. If you need to get more info to reach a conclusion, now is the time to ask. | ||
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