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The five-year-long WTL is about to come to its end

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SCBOY Forum post: https://www.scboy.cc/?thread-694301.htm
lechatnoir
Profile Joined November 2016
392 Posts
November 11 2024 20:45 GMT
#12
Well that sucks major ass.

Cheers to the memories, it was a good run!
Antithesis
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1236 Posts
November 11 2024 22:34 GMT
#13
Sad news. But I'm happy to hear that there will be one or two offline tournaments in place of the team league.

Thanks to the SCBoy team for the great run and continued events!
Mutation complete.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33589 Posts
November 12 2024 00:01 GMT
#14
It's such a shame that it came to an end, but you could see the signs ever since EWC disrupted the scene.

I do hope that some level of team competition keeps going; maybe in the style of clar wars from the old War3 days.
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26581 Posts
November 12 2024 00:18 GMT
#15
On November 11 2024 20:10 Nakajin wrote:
Noooooooooo

I was afraid it would be happening, I hate the Saudi so much right now. Killing the best Starcraft 2 competition on top of everything...

I'll write the league a proper eulogy later, but I can just say it was the best of time.

I could barely ever follow the league live, and really relied on your sterling efforts on previews/reviews to keep on top of it. If others did a few, also props

Many thanks for that sir!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
November 12 2024 02:54 GMT
#16
On November 12 2024 09:18 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2024 20:10 Nakajin wrote:
Noooooooooo

I was afraid it would be happening, I hate the Saudi so much right now. Killing the best Starcraft 2 competition on top of everything...

I'll write the league a proper eulogy later, but I can just say it was the best of time.

I could barely ever follow the league live, and really relied on your sterling efforts on previews/reviews to keep on top of it. If others did a few, also props

Many thanks for that sir!


Thanks, I'm glad you liked it
TheOneAboveU deserves a lot of praise, he's the one who started the week-in-week-out coverage of the league, I just picked it up when he had to stop.


Also, as a side note, I was planning to do a Balance Council/conspiracy machination spoof for the next WTL qualifier. I can't believe so much silly drama will go unused now.
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Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1920 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-12 10:24:19
November 12 2024 10:23 GMT
#17
On November 12 2024 11:54 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2024 09:18 WombaT wrote:
On November 11 2024 20:10 Nakajin wrote:
Noooooooooo

I was afraid it would be happening, I hate the Saudi so much right now. Killing the best Starcraft 2 competition on top of everything...

I'll write the league a proper eulogy later, but I can just say it was the best of time.

I could barely ever follow the league live, and really relied on your sterling efforts on previews/reviews to keep on top of it. If others did a few, also props

Many thanks for that sir!


Thanks, I'm glad you liked it
TheOneAboveU deserves a lot of praise, he's the one who started the week-in-week-out coverage of the league, I just picked it up when he had to stop.


Also, as a side note, I was planning to do a Balance Council/conspiracy machination spoof for the next WTL qualifier. I can't believe so much silly drama will go unused now.


Marco is GOATED. I'm glad you could pick it up after him and make it your own.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18262 Posts
November 13 2024 00:36 GMT
#18
So much for Microsoft being good for SC2. Problems with authorization just seems like such a bullshit excuse, when the Blizzard-China deal problems were solved years ago. The answer from Microsoft to "do you allow us to continue running this awesome team tournament with sponsors" should be an immediate and resounding yes.

The other problems are clear, of course.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26581 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-13 01:00:10
November 13 2024 00:58 GMT
#19
On November 13 2024 09:36 Acrofales wrote:
So much for Microsoft being good for SC2. Problems with authorization just seems like such a bullshit excuse, when the Blizzard-China deal problems were solved years ago. The answer from Microsoft to "do you allow us to continue running this awesome team tournament with sponsors" should be an immediate and resounding yes.

The other problems are clear, of course.

I doubt it’s a Microsoft problem

They might not be an improvement, but I doubt they would impede it either. It’s an ESL problem, unless I see evidence to the contrary I don’t see why Microsoft would block them unduly

WTL was ultimately killled by EWC, they said so, it’s obvious just looking at it that EWC disrupted a lot.

I already felt it sometimes hard to really get invested due to roster churn, it became harder still when the EWC basically forced a bunch of partnership teams with no history and that was half the field.

Maybe Microsoft don’t fix these problems, but I also don’t see them actively working on making them worse.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
690 Posts
November 13 2024 01:14 GMT
#20
On November 12 2024 11:54 Nakajin wrote:

Also, as a side note, I was planning to do a Balance Council/conspiracy machination spoof for the next WTL qualifier. I can't believe so much silly drama will go unused now.

Can you post a blog post? I'd love to see it for one, only if it's not too much work The memes were surely legendary
Jung Yoon Jong fighting, even after retirement! Feel better soon.
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1903 Posts
November 13 2024 11:46 GMT
#21
On November 13 2024 09:36 Acrofales wrote:
So much for Microsoft being good for SC2. Problems with authorization just seems like such a bullshit excuse, when the Blizzard-China deal problems were solved years ago. The answer from Microsoft to "do you allow us to continue running this awesome team tournament with sponsors" should be an immediate and resounding yes.

The other problems are clear, of course.

what do you mean? It was leaked WC3 is getting a 2.0 and WC2 a remake. Microsoft has a history with pushing Age of Empires content as well with remakes and sequals too. It is entirely possible they plan on making a SC3 or are already working on one. I dont know what u thought microsoft was going to do for SC2 in this scenario, invest in its esports? They are making a StarCraft shooter allegedly so i think it is entirely plausible they are using that to reignite fans interest in the ip and may plan on making a StarCraft 3 after that.
Remember that we all come from a place of passion!!
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-13 13:39:02
November 13 2024 13:37 GMT
#22
On November 13 2024 09:36 Acrofales wrote:
So much for Microsoft being good for SC2. Problems with authorization just seems like such a bullshit excuse, when the Blizzard-China deal problems were solved years ago. The answer from Microsoft to "do you allow us to continue running this awesome team tournament with sponsors" should be an immediate and resounding yes.

The other problems are clear, of course.


Microsoft has cut hundreds if not thousands of jobs at Blizzard in the last two years, so it might not even be a real issue. Sometimes things take a long time in those big companies for purely administrative/bureaucratic reasons, even more people get cut by the dozens every other day. Who knows if the ESL file is just at the bottom of a pile somewhere?

However, it sounds like SCBoy is waiting on ESL for the calendar and stuff, not the OK to run their event.
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ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3488 Posts
November 13 2024 14:05 GMT
#23
Gief moar starswar plz those were great. Fighting! I cannot see china scene going away with how many promising talents are coming up.
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26581 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-13 14:28:05
November 13 2024 14:27 GMT
#24
On November 13 2024 23:05 ejozl wrote:
Gief moar starswar plz those were great. Fighting! I cannot see china scene going away with how many promising talents are coming up.

If they change the name I’m down.

Given the cultural phenomenon of Star Wars has permeated basically my whole lifespan, at times enthused me, it is SO blooming awkward to say Stars War

I kid, it’s cool to see these events, not just in SC2 but WC3 as well
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
duckTemplar
Profile Joined February 2011
United States206 Posts
November 17 2024 17:49 GMT
#25
is there any upcoming big games in 2025 that's confirmed?
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Kashim
Profile Joined December 2013
Poland1224 Posts
November 17 2024 19:47 GMT
#26
On November 18 2024 02:49 duckTemplar wrote:
is there any upcoming big games in 2025 that's confirmed?


Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora is confirmed

https://x.com/BGEStaraZagora/status/1857063947632885854
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Howard_Kao
Profile Joined September 2018
China261 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-22 15:58:31
November 22 2024 15:51 GMT
#27
"You don't need a gsl champion, you don't need a esl champion. I feel like I'm just a normal man. I just practice very hard this time, like 15hrs everyday" Oliveira 2023
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
November 22 2024 18:08 GMT
#28
Thank you to SCBoy and everyone in the Chinese SC scene for the contributions throughout the years. I don't claim to have been a regular follower of WTL, but the longevity was admirable and with other proleagues disbanding, it had a special role in the scene.

Can't fault the pros who get a check from EWC, but the situation does suck for sure.
Mine gas, build tanks.
hoursetl7
Profile Joined December 2024
2 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-12-10 17:40:33
December 01 2024 21:16 GMT
#29
Bot edit.

User was banned for this post.
thunder33
Profile Joined December 2024
3 Posts
December 04 2024 07:47 GMT
#30
It's sad to see a team tournament go away, but as someone who never followed WTL too well and saw StarWars 11 looking pretty good, there's still some hope anyway!
dancatara
Profile Joined December 2024
1 Post
December 04 2024 10:51 GMT
#31
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