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Hi everyone!
Seeing the pictures of the EWC, I thought it would be a great opportunity to list the gear used by the top players.
So here is my attempt at it, if there is a source indicated, I used it in combination with the picture to try and make an educated guess.
If there is no source, then it's only based on the picture.
Feel free to indicate if something is wrong or if you have an idea for the few items that I did not manage to get.
For that, you can use some extra angles that I used.
Thanks to ShoWTimE, Spirit, Solar and Dark who answered my questions.
Also thanks to one of Reynor's mod on his discord for telling me what switches he uses.
Clem's setup should be pretty accurate as well since he and his mods answered these questions during his last stream.
Here are the setups, ranked by their finishing position according to Liquipedia.
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1 - Clem
Mouse: Logitech G Pro Hero (450 DPI)
Mousepad: Razer-Goliathus Speed Cosmic Edition
Cable management: Zowie BenQ Camade II Mouse Cable Management Device
Keyboard: NuPhy Halo75 V2 (Mint switches)
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2 - Serral
source: Serral's Twitch bio
Mouse: Logitech G Pro X Superlight
Mousepad: PARA CONTROL Mouse Pad V2
Keyboard: Glorious GMMK Pro 75 (Glorious Panda Tactile Switches + GPBT Rain Forest Keycaps)
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3 - Dark
source: Dark (he was not 100% sure about the switches)
Mouse: Logitech G Pro X Superlight 2
Mousepad: Artisan Zero
Keyboard: Glorious GMMK (Glorious Lynx switches?)
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4 - herO
Mouse: Razer Viper Mini Signature Edition
Mousepad: Artisan Hien Mousepad
Keyboard: Glorious GMMK Pro 75
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5 - Cure
Mouse: Logitech g305
Mousepad: Razer Gigantus V2
Keyboard: Leopold FC750R Grey/Blue PD TKL
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6 - Maru
Mouse: Razer Viper Mini Signature Edition
Mousepad: Artisan Hien Mousepad
Keyboard: Glorious GMMK Pro 75
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7 - Reynor
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder V3 Pro
Mousepad: Artisan Hien Mousepad
Keyboard: Glorious GMMK Pro 75 (Zealio switches)
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8 - Solar
source: Solar
Mouse: Logitech G Pro X Superlight
Mousepad: Artisan
Keyboard: Deck Keyboard (Red switches)
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9 - ByuN
source: A Naver blog
Mouse: Logitech G Pro X Superlight
Mousepad: Razer-Goliathus Speed Cosmic Edition
Keyboard: White Filco Ninja Majestouch-2, Tenkeyless (Blue switches)
10 - Classic
Mouse: Razer Viper V2 Pro
Mousepad: Razer Gigantus V2
Keyboard:
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11 - GuMiho
Mouse: Logitech G Pro X Superlight
Mousepad: Artisan Hien Mousepad
Keyboard: Filco Majestouch TKL
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12 - Astrea
Mouse: Logitech G Pro Hero
Mousepad: Artisan Hien Mousepad
Keyboard:
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13 - Coffee
Mouse: Logitech G Pro X Superlight
Mousepad: Artisan Hien Mousepad
Keyboard:
14 - SHIN
source: gamingcfg.com
Mouse: Logitech G Pro X Superlight
Mousepad: Artisan Hien Mousepad
Keyboard: Geonworks Frog TKL
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15 - Oliveira
Mouse: Razer Viper Mini Signature Edition
Mousepad: Razer Gigantus - Elite Edition
Keyboard: Glorious GMMK Pro 75
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16 - HeRoMaRinE
source: HeRoMaRinE's Twitch bio
Mouse: Razer Viper
Mousepad: Razer Goliathus
Keyboard: Razer Huntsman V3 Pro Tenkeyless
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17 - Spirit
source: Spirit + Spirit's Twitch bio
Mouse: Logitech G PRO superlight
Mousepad: Logitech G640
Keyboard: Keychron K2 Pro QMK/VIA Wireless Mechanical Keyboard
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18 - ShoWTimE
source: ShoWTimE
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder V3 Pro - Gamers8 Edition
Mousepad: Endgame Gear MPC450 Cordura
Keyboard: Corsair K63 (Red switches)
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Update 1: Added SHIN's keyboard thanks to digmouse
Update 2: Found Serral's keycaps
Update 3: Changed Solar's keyboard after he answered a DM
Update 4: Changed Dark's keyboard, mousepad and mouse.
Logitech G Pro X Superlight -> Logitech G Pro X Superlight 2
Artisan Hien Mousepad -> Artisan Zero
Glorious GMMK Pro 75 -> Glorious GMMK (Glorious Lynx Switches?)
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Northern Ireland25674 Posts
Man the difference in results me and Clem get using the same mouse and same DPI :p
Cheers for the research!
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all good and well
but what type of rag/towel does Gumigod use?
my terran could use a bit of a boost
surprised to see a lot of pros moved to tactile switches
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Good thing qxc retired, imagine having to figure out what the hell his Mouse is...
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Canada8989 Posts
On October 18 2024 03:50 bela.mervado wrote:
all good and well
but what type of rag/towel does Gumigod use?
my terran could use a bit of a boost
surprised to see a lot of pros moved to tactile switches
Ah man, it would be so cool if Gumi had designed rags, imagine playing with a towel of yourself lifting the GSL trophy.
As for mouses and keyboard, I'll be honest I don't even know what a DPI is, but love that you put this list for others.
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On October 18 2024 05:46 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2024 03:50 bela.mervado wrote:
all good and well
but what type of rag/towel does Gumigod use?
my terran could use a bit of a boost
surprised to see a lot of pros moved to tactile switches Ah man, it would be so cool if Gumi had designed rags, imagine playing with a towel of yourself lifting the GSL trophy. As for mouses and keyboard, I'll be honest I don't even know what a DPI is, but love that you put this list for others.
i hope you genuinely do not know and i'm not making a fool of myself for describing it, but here we go anyways.
DPI stands for dots per inch, it is the resolution of the mouse.
it tells you how many pixels the reported/raw/hardware mouse cursor position changes by moving the mouse one inch.
i wrote raw/hardware because windows (op. sys.) and games can add an extra (optional) multiplier on top of this raw movement.
windows even has this accelerated movement which every gamer seems to hate.
(move the mouse the same amount but faster -> more movement for the cursor, makes in unpredictable)
fun thing is, what you really want to know is, how much physical mouse movement it takes to move the cursor from one side of the screen to the other. and it depends on the screen resolution. more pixels -> more movement required even with the same DPI setting.
now, pros seem to use (~24") monitors with HD (1920x1080) res for sc2.
others will probably get a 1.5x or 2x HD (2560x1440 or 3840x2160) desktop monitor and will use the same to play games as well.
lower DPI will require bigger hand movements to get from one corner of the screen to the other (or from the ~center to the bottom left, eg. minimap click), but will grant better control over a smaller area (baneling target fire anyone?).
i had the impression that pros would tend to use DPI around 800, but it varies quite a lot.
Clem's 450 DPI is definitely on the lower side of the range.
an example for the screen resolution vs mouse DPI thing:
suppose person A uses HD res screen with 800 DPI mouse.
person B using 1.5x HD res screen needs 1.5*800=1200 DPI mouse setting to have the similar mouse movement to screen cursor movement rate. (screen corner to corner hand movement distance for example).
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China6329 Posts
SHIN's keyboard is a Geonworks Frog TKL, a custom that costs at least $300, mega chad.
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Surprised that so many people use GMMK Pro. In the keyboard community it's considered to be the most overrated/overpriced keyboard
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On October 18 2024 03:50 bela.mervado wrote:
all good and well
but what type of rag/towel does Gumigod use?
my terran could use a bit of a boost
I thought that maybe listing the mousepads was already overdoing it but it turns out most pros use a high-end japanese mousepad, the Artisan one. But I draw the line at what towel Gumiho uses!
On October 18 2024 05:46 Nakajin wrote:
As for mouses and keyboard, I'll be honest I don't even know what a DPI is, but love that you put this list for others.
I was inspired by this thread and this thread.
On October 18 2024 22:25 digmouse wrote:
SHIN's keyboard is a Geonworks Frog TKL, a custom that costs at least $300, mega chad.
Thanks, I updated the OP.
On October 18 2024 23:13 Radioteddy wrote:
Surprised that so many people use GMMK Pro. In the keyboard community it's considered to be the most overrated/overpriced keyboard
If I had to guess, I'd say that Serral was the first to use it maybe? And then everyone started using it.
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China6329 Posts
GMMK Pro used to be somewhat decent like 3 years ago, it's not offensive at least.
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Canada8989 Posts
On October 18 2024 21:23 bela.mervado wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2024 05:46 Nakajin wrote:On October 18 2024 03:50 bela.mervado wrote:
all good and well
but what type of rag/towel does Gumigod use?
my terran could use a bit of a boost
surprised to see a lot of pros moved to tactile switches Ah man, it would be so cool if Gumi had designed rags, imagine playing with a towel of yourself lifting the GSL trophy. As for mouses and keyboard, I'll be honest I don't even know what a DPI is, but love that you put this list for others. i hope you genuinely do not know and i'm not making a fool of myself for describing it, but here we go anyways. DPI stands for dots per inch, it is the resolution of the mouse. it tells you how many pixels the reported/raw/hardware mouse cursor position changes by moving the mouse one inch. i wrote raw/hardware because windows (op. sys.) and games can add an extra (optional) multiplier on top of this raw movement. windows even has this accelerated movement which every gamer seems to hate. (move the mouse the same amount but faster -> more movement for the cursor, makes in unpredictable) fun thing is, what you really want to know is, how much physical mouse movement it takes to move the cursor from one side of the screen to the other. and it depends on the screen resolution. more pixels -> more movement required even with the same DPI setting. now, pros seem to use (~24") monitors with HD (1920x1080) res for sc2. others will probably get a 1.5x or 2x HD (2560x1440 or 3840x2160) desktop monitor and will use the same to play games as well. lower DPI will require bigger hand movements to get from one corner of the screen to the other (or from the ~center to the bottom left, eg. minimap click), but will grant better control over a smaller area (baneling target fire anyone?). i had the impression that pros would tend to use DPI around 800, but it varies quite a lot. Clem's 450 DPI is definitely on the lower side of the range. an example for the screen resolution vs mouse DPI thing: suppose person A uses HD res screen with 800 DPI mouse. person B using 1.5x HD res screen needs 1.5*800=1200 DPI mouse setting to have the similar mouse movement to screen cursor movement rate. (screen corner to corner hand movement distance for example).
Wow thanks, it's very clear!
I was being serious btw, I've somehow managed to navigate 2 decade of pc gaming without picking even the slightest ounce of tech knowledge. Clearly all those esports adds didn't do a good enough job.
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United States33432 Posts
It's amusing how so few teams have full-package peripheral sponsorships compared to the early days of SC2. I remember it was like a big deal for TL or EG to use ALL RAZER or ALL STEELSERIES (or whatever it was at the time).
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On October 19 2024 06:56 Waxangel wrote:
It's amusing how so few teams have full-package peripheral sponsorships compared to the early days of SC2. I remember it was like a big deal for TL or EG to use ALL RAZER or ALL STEELSERIES (or whatever it was at the time).
meanwhile kespa-era starter kit:
logitech mini optical
qsenn dt-35
kespa generic mousepad
i think it was a miracle that they eventually transitioned to
logitech g9x
leopold fc750
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Just a small bump to thank Solar and Dark who were nice enough to answer my DMs. I updated the OP accordingly.
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Am I right in saying that SC2 is less exacting than, say, FPS games when it comes to the setup? (I mean, I know how precise Flash is with his keyboard setup, but you know what I mean.) I don't know the exact mechanics of rapid-fire, et al. and I've certainly never clicked down banelings with any sort of proficiency, but it seems like there isn't the possibility for SC2 players to discover a competitive edge, however slight, the way FPS pros were able to with Wooting keyboards (if that hype was to be believed) -- there's gotta be a difference when you're only using a keyboard for binary yes/no inputs instead of using continuously for movement and "but how much do I want to move in that direction when I hit that button?" comes into play.
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Northern Ireland25674 Posts
On November 20 2024 05:55 ScrappyRabbit wrote:
Am I right in saying that SC2 is less exacting than, say, FPS games when it comes to the setup? (I mean, I know how precise Flash is with his keyboard setup, but you know what I mean.) I don't know the exact mechanics of rapid-fire, et al. and I've certainly never clicked down banelings with any sort of proficiency, but it seems like there isn't the possibility for SC2 players to discover a competitive edge, however slight, the way FPS pros were able to with Wooting keyboards (if that hype was to be believed) -- there's gotta be a difference when you're only using a keyboard for binary yes/no inputs instead of using continuously for movement and "but how much do I want to move in that direction when I hit that button?" comes into play.
I wouldn’t say less particular, I’d say both sets pick out what is actually advantageous to their particular game. SC2 players will go into the Windows Registry to fuck with lowering the system keyboard repeat threshold, so they’re pretty thorough. There’s a lot of hotkey optimisation too.
I think they’re more realistic in terms of gear as well and often go with ‘good enough, but I like it’. FPS players seem more receptive to just continually upgrading their gear for perceived advantages that might not even really exist.
My Filco has lasted me longer than my kiddo has been alive and he’s in high school now, and served me well. I’d been pondering getting an analogue keyboard if it does die.
I’ve seen/thought of some interesting potential applications of analog input, and FPS is probably my second most-played genre. I must say I haven’t really figured too much advantageous there.
I could see it helping out in a bunch of other games mind, but I’d need to experiment and see how all the mapping works. The PS2 had analogue face buttons and they worked well in certain games, but I think there’s a reason modern consoles didn’t keep running with that idea.
Let’s take Unreal Tournament 2K4 and the dodge jump mechanic. Tap D to move in that direction, double tap it to do a jump in that direction. Or use a modifier. I could see a setup where regular taps would do regular movement, and fully bottoming out the key instantly does that move.
But then you have to manage how you’re triggering buttons so you don’t inadvertently dodge when you don’t mean to, so it might actually be trickier.
My Logitech mouse has this nifty toggle so you can scroll your mouse notch by notch, or just rapidly spin it. So I bound that to ‘pick stuff up’ in games like Fortnite, just spin the wheel and you can rapidly pick up everything, especially handy in a contested early game drop. It’s niche use case and shares a key with things like opening doors, so it’s not always useful
I could see mapping it to a particular key in an analogue keyboard being useful. Tap it for a regular pickup, bottom it out for a ‘pick everything up as I move the cursor around’
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Northern Ireland25674 Posts
On October 19 2024 08:08 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2024 06:56 Waxangel wrote:
It's amusing how so few teams have full-package peripheral sponsorships compared to the early days of SC2. I remember it was like a big deal for TL or EG to use ALL RAZER or ALL STEELSERIES (or whatever it was at the time). meanwhile kespa-era starter kit: logitech mini optical qsenn dt-35 kespa generic mousepad i think it was a miracle that they eventually transitioned to logitech g9x leopold fc750
I have frequent arguments with my partner on my ‘shampoo is good enough’ hypothesis. There’s a point where your product just does what it’s meant to do, and most subsequent ‘innovations’ are bollocks and you can’t really squeeze additional functionality out of it.
I’ve quite small hands so I’m fond of my G9X, which I had to have repaired as it was a gift from a friend who bought 5 when he heard they were being discontinued. An example of a decision to discontinue something I find a bit bizarre, but anyway
Cannae beat it really, personal preferences and ergonomic necessity aside. At moving a cursor around and clicking on things, does the job. Some like a ton of macro buttons, some like myself like it a bit more bare bones.
I really like my other Logitech mouse, one of the high end wireless offerings. I think they finally cracked the wireless latency issue, and actually you do subtly notice not having the cable tension. It’s a little bigger and I don’t quite like it as much in my hands, but it’s bloody good, and better for regular productivity/work with side buttons on both sides, plus is an ambidextrous mouse which is handy given kiddo is left-handed.
But I mean I think we’re way past the point of mouse innovation really impacting much of anything performance wise. Some of the worst guitar players I know are absolute gear nerds and spend big moolah, some of the best I know scrape great-sounding stuff out of mid or even low tier gear
Just gimme wireless G9X and I’ll die a happy man in a gaming sense
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‘shampoo is good enough’ hypothesis
Also known as the Law of Diminishing Returns. Early on, it is easy to improve a product but it reaches a limit where you have to make huge investments or leaps forwards in technology for it to be noticeable anymore.
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