EPTAnnual "is EPT/GSL over?" thread - (Answer: Yeah*)
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toinewx
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WombaT
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Drahkn
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Balnazza
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On August 23 2024 02:11 Drahkn wrote: Dead game Agreed, buffing Zerg would help though. If there is another GSL, I'm almost certain it would be connected to a new EPT announcement. GSL standalone doesn't seem that helpful for the korean players to live from. So for now, the ball is in ESLs park. And I hope we get something soon...maybe even together with an All-New "Asia-Pacific" region that includes Korea? | ||
Highwinds
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SoleSteeler
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sertas
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M3t4PhYzX
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CicadaSC
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CicadaSC
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On August 23 2024 04:30 sertas wrote: All the sc2 players moved on to stormgate Not true. I don't see too many top Koreans playing it. Sure u have top, supernova, parting, Percival and a few lesser known names, but the big dogs were playing SC2 up until EWC. Whether they switch over to stormgate remains to be seen. I know stormgate wants to host tournaments around the world so if they don't switch they will be missing out on what is essentially free money. Especially if GSL/ESL shutdown their SC2 operations. Personally what I think is most likely is a GSL SC2/Stormgate hybrid tournament like what ProLeague did with SC2 and broodwar. Frostgiant will probably come and say "Hey, you need money? We are looking to run a league in Korea. We can provide you with funding but u have to include stormgate." Afreeca will think about it and probably ask for exclusive streaming rights on their website. Frost Giant will agree. Boom. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1821 Posts
I posted this and it was removed. Praying yours stays up we should be allowed to talk about this. Maybe it's a wrong category though is why and it should go in tournaments? | ||
Waxangel
United States33479 Posts
On August 23 2024 06:41 CicadaSC wrote: https://tl.net/forum/general/629815-so-no-news-on-esl-gsl-renewal-is-it-gg I posted this and it was removed. Praying yours stays up we should be allowed to talk about this. Maybe it's a wrong category though is why and it should go in tournaments? it's not removed lol just no one paid attention  there's little to discuss: Just like the last 3 years, u just wait until there's a very late announcement | ||
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Brutaxilos
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Balnazza
Germany1237 Posts
On August 23 2024 06:20 CicadaSC wrote: Not true. I don't see too many top Koreans playing it. Sure u have top, supernova, parting, Percival and a few lesser known names, but the big dogs were playing SC2 up until EWC. Whether they switch over to stormgate remains to be seen. I know stormgate wants to host tournaments around the world so if they don't switch they will be missing out on what is essentially free money. Especially if GSL/ESL shutdown their SC2 operations. Personally what I think is most likely is a GSL SC2/Stormgate hybrid tournament like what ProLeague did with SC2 and broodwar. Frostgiant will probably come and say "Hey, you need money? We are looking to run a league in Korea. We can provide you with funding but u have to include stormgate." Afreeca will think about it and probably ask for exclusive streaming rights on their website. Frost Giant will agree. Boom. Not just the koreans, basically no one has switched over that was still fully active in SC2. Sure, some players dabbled in it (even Clem while he was in Korea), but nothing major. Which makes sense, considering that there is still barely any money in the game. Also...I'm not sure if Blizzard would be so happy to be involved in that kind of "Hybrid-Proleague". And they certainly would need to give their okay for that. Doesn't feel like they would, considering that FrostGiant indirectly constantly promotes themselves as the "Better Blizzard"...not that they have yet shown anything that would justify that claim. Except maybe that they are even greedier considering the pricing for Stormgate... | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26006 Posts
On August 23 2024 06:20 CicadaSC wrote: Not true. I don't see too many top Koreans playing it. Sure u have top, supernova, parting, Percival and a few lesser known names, but the big dogs were playing SC2 up until EWC. Whether they switch over to stormgate remains to be seen. I know stormgate wants to host tournaments around the world so if they don't switch they will be missing out on what is essentially free money. Especially if GSL/ESL shutdown their SC2 operations. Personally what I think is most likely is a GSL SC2/Stormgate hybrid tournament like what ProLeague did with SC2 and broodwar. Frostgiant will probably come and say "Hey, you need money? We are looking to run a league in Korea. We can provide you with funding but u have to include stormgate." Afreeca will think about it and probably ask for exclusive streaming rights on their website. Frost Giant will agree. Boom. Nobody absolutely top tier is making that switch. Just as nobody did so for AoE4. Neither thus far has the sustain. AoE4 had the potential money, but they seemed to fizzle out after doing a couple of big money tournaments and the will wasn’t there. Stormgate the will is probably there, but at this stage not the money. Someone like Clem is good enough to be competitive in a showpiece tournament, equally he can just win an EWC in his main game. If SC2 contracts much further I still don’t think you’ll see much migration. The top guys will just transition careers and maybe top up their earnings from whatever they choose to do with coasting on their native talent and doing OK as semi-pros Being a genuinely world class SC2 player opens you to monies most people the young side of 25 can’t realistically aspire to. As yet no other RTS game offers that hook and if we were to hypothesise SC2’s funding to decline, well my recommendation to a Serral or a Clem is, do something else. | ||
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argonautdice
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JimmyJRaynor
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On August 23 2024 07:56 Brutaxilos wrote: ZG on her stream yesterday mentioned she was feeling confident for the next few years. She mentioned she spoke with someone she considered reputable who claimed to have heard from some higher ups that they want to keep StarCraft for at least the next few years. Obviously just a hearsay statement, but she was confident enough to say it on stream. ZG throws around compliments like man hole covers; over the years she has a credible track record when she has speculated. She has never been afraid to be negative. So, I'd say this is a positive sign. Also, there is not necessarily a need to listen to the words of the SC2 major players. Watch their actions. If they continue to invest in SC2 then chances are ... they are not doing it as an act of charity. Chances are .. they see value in the competitive landscape. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19298 Posts
On August 23 2024 11:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote: ZG throws around compliments like man hole covers; over the years she has a credible track record when she has speculated. She has never been afraid to be negative. So, I'd say this is a positive sign. Also, there is not necessarily a need to listen to the words of the SC2 major players. Watch their actions. If they continue to invest in SC2 then chances are ... they are not doing it as an act of charity. Chances are .. they see value in the competitive landscape. I'm now searching for people or communities in which they engage in throwing real man hole covers... | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1237 Posts
On August 23 2024 22:25 BisuDagger wrote: I'm now searching for people or communities in which they engage in throwing real man hole covers... It's the community called USA | ||
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ZombieGrub
United States712 Posts
On August 23 2024 11:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote: ZG throws around compliments like man hole covers; over the years she has a credible track record when she has speculated. She has never been afraid to be negative. So, I'd say this is a positive sign. Also, there is not necessarily a need to listen to the words of the SC2 major players. Watch their actions. If they continue to invest in SC2 then chances are ... they are not doing it as an act of charity. Chances are .. they see value in the competitive landscape. Thanks? haha I talked to a separate esport's talent who had lunch with some uhh important people, and at least one person said "SC2 for a few more years at least" and pointed toward its credibility, prestige, history, etc. It could've been smoke blowing but I'm guessing this person doesn't need to do a whole lot of that on the day-to-day. It is just hearsay but it makes sense. If EWC wants to keep a RTS to fulfill an "olympics of esports" vision, SC2 still remains top dog despite Blizzard giving us the shaft. Plus, I'm doubtful anyone really wants to be the "one who killed SC2" - they're looking for good press, not bad. The bigger question is, imo, whether or not there's a full circuit. Having one huge tournament every summer will only keep the scene going for so long, and won't really get it to thrive. It's gotta be a circuit with a few big tournaments, and a commitment to years, not year, to encourage younger talent to try and overtake the likes of Clem, Serral, Maru, etc. | ||
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