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CicadaSC
United States1992 Posts
On March 28 2025 19:33 tigera6 wrote: Imagine canceling WTL for this, and with Oliveira retirement, I dont expect the Chinese community to support SC2 that strong anymore. why was WTL cancelled? | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1361 Posts
WTL got canceled (atleast according to the announcement) because of the uncertainty the EWC provided concerning teams. The situation of last year, with a lot of players being signed by orgs for the EWC and then having to be awkwardly partnered back into the system apparently was against their vision of a teamleague. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1992 Posts
On March 29 2025 04:28 Balnazza wrote: WTL got canceled (atleast according to the announcement) because of the uncertainty the EWC provided concerning teams. The situation of last year, with a lot of players being signed by orgs for the EWC and then having to be awkwardly partnered back into the system apparently was against their vision of a teamleague. Hmm... Maybe they figured no one would get signed to a team without EWC? | ||
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tigera6
3516 Posts
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CicadaSC
United States1992 Posts
sc2Solar: Not yet sc2Solar: When it happens sc2Solar: It takes more than 2 weeks? SHIN 신희범: I had a talk with EWC SHIN 신희범: They said it'll take about 2 weeks no additional context was provided. comments were from ryungs streams chatroom. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27402 Posts
On March 29 2025 09:29 CicadaSC wrote: Hmm... Maybe they figured no one would get signed to a team without EWC? I think you kinda need teams for a team league, and the organisers seemed to agree with this sentiment. If half the league ends up with their ace players signed to EWC deals, and those players recirculate through ad hoc partnership deals, it starts to really lose that team league vibe. I don’t think this was intentional, I can see the logic of incentivising orgs to compete across multiple titles. But I also imagine it’s harmed other scenes as well. I don’t follow other games so perhaps not! But I assume some smaller scenes have this same issue where their orgs operating in their spaces can’t compete with some of the bigger multi-game ones who might want a player in x game to boost their league finish. I like the idea, but I think it was implemented poorly and there’s an easy enough fix. You can only get points from pickups if you had presence in a game in a time preceding an edition of EWC, or a pickup is made sufficiently far out. So say, Cloud 9 wouldn’t get points for having Gumi last time round, but they can this time as they’ve retained him for a period, or whatever. I think you want to incentivise supporting multiple games, but the way the system works currently you’re not really developing game scenes and talent and incentivising short-term mercenary pickups. You could probably make an exception for something like chess this time around which wasn’t really in the wheelhouse of eSports orgs before, so it’s almost a day zero scenario. | ||
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Antithesis
Germany1269 Posts
On March 29 2025 19:59 CicadaSC wrote: not sure if anyone saw but there is a leak on reddit going around right now between solar and shin that they had a private discussion and EWC will be announced in 2 weeks, allegedly. sc2Solar: Not yet sc2Solar: When it happens sc2Solar: It takes more than 2 weeks? SHIN 신희범: I had a talk with EWC SHIN 신희범: They said it'll take about 2 weeks no additional context was provided. comments were from ryungs streams chatroom. Hell yeah, the most interesting news about the future of SC2 originating from a leaked private chat between two players without context, that's the spirit of the situation. In all seriousness, I still mildly expect SC2 to be at EWC, however, at this point I am mostly interested in exactly what sort of difficulties and negotiations have taken place between what parties. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7408 Posts
On March 30 2025 02:43 Antithesis wrote: Hell yeah, the most interesting news about the future of SC2 originating from a leaked private chat between two players without context, that's the spirit of the situation. In all seriousness, I still mildly expect SC2 to be at EWC, however, at this point I am mostly interested in exactly what sort of difficulties and negotiations have taken place between what parties. I do kinda expect a invite only legacy tournament at this point. Like say, 8 players (4 KR, 4 Other). It is almost to late to make some big qualifier and then have the qualified get visas, flights and accommodations and such. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1992 Posts
On March 31 2025 16:16 Harris1st wrote: I do kinda expect a invite only legacy tournament at this point. Like say, 8 players (4 KR, 4 Other). It is almost to late to make some big qualifier and then have the qualified get visas, flights and accommodations and such. nahh, that would defeat the whole point of EWC and club points etc. you have to only have the best players there via qualifier not invite or it wouldnt make sense. | ||
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toinewx
53 Posts
I don't know why you guys focus so much on the EWC. GSL was the main tournament of SC2 and it died silently. I think the end of the GSL is a much bigger deal. EWC does not matter, you may have EWC this year if you are lucky, but with no GSL or other circuit in sight, this would be the last anyway. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7408 Posts
On March 31 2025 16:47 CicadaSC wrote: nahh, that would defeat the whole point of EWC and club points etc. you have to only have the best players there via qualifier not invite or it wouldnt make sense. I think you missunderstood me there. I expect Starcraft not to be part of the whole EWC / Club Point system but as a showmatch/ legacy tournament kinda thing. As the father/ mother of Esports. Why go through all the trouble and money of qualifiers and stuff if there are barely 50 competitive players and no pro scene left. On March 31 2025 17:16 toinewx wrote: I made this thread initially about the GSL. I don't know why you guys focus so much on the EWC. GSL was the main tournament of SC2 and it died silently. I think the end of the GSL is a much bigger deal. EWC does not matter, you may have EWC this year if you are lucky, but with no GSL or other circuit in sight, this would be the last anyway. That is an interesting opinion. In my opinion and I daresay the opinion of many others, Blizzcon and IEM were way way way more important. At least since 2018, probably longer. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27402 Posts
On March 31 2025 20:27 Harris1st wrote: I think you missunderstood me there. I expect Starcraft not to be part of the whole EWC / Club Point system but as a showmatch/ legacy tournament kinda thing. As the father/ mother of Esports. Why go through all the trouble and money of qualifiers and stuff if there are barely 50 competitive players and no pro scene left. That is an interesting opinion. In my opinion and I daresay the opinion of many others, Blizzcon and IEM were way way way more important. At least since 2018, probably longer. For me they get extra importance from being a cherry atop the cake for sure, but if the cake ain’t there I’m far less invested. | ||
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
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Hildegard
Germany348 Posts
Pig's recent tournament was great because the players had time to prepare, but the lag in Europe vs. Korea games is problematic because there is a disadvantage for players, like ByuN, that rely on their micro. I am watching it and just started with the “Playoffs Day 1”. Please don't spoiler the results. Personally I enjoyed GSL the most. Closely followed by Serral vs. Reynor ZvZ. These matches were fantastic. Most weekend tournaments blurred in my memory, but I remember a lot of the GSL. I dream that someone makes one final GSL tournaments with the best players outside of Korea going to Korea for six weeks and Artosis comes to visit and commentate. Obviously the last pro tournament will have a masked MaxPax honoring JangBi by winning with carriers. | ||
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Blitzball04
191 Posts
Also the prize pool for last couple of prize pool for GSL was pitiful. | ||
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tigera6
3516 Posts
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Hildegard
Germany348 Posts
On April 01 2025 01:23 Blitzball04 wrote: We don’t need the GSL. It was dead for the last couple of years when it could barely find enough ppl to participate Also the prize pool for last couple of prize pool for GSL was pitiful. Yes, the last GSLs weren't as good. But with foreign players top tier players competing for six weeks it could be a fantastic tournament and a goodbye to SC2 pro tournaments. The silence is annoying, but the EWC is essentially a weekend tournament with fewer tactics tailored to the opponent. We can still have the Homestory cup and other events, but it's a new era. I expect the pro scene becoming smaller and many players retiring. State is a fantastic commentator. Artosis didn't seem to enjoy casting SC2 anymore. If I could choose the commentators Lambo and State would be casting, Artosis and Tasteless would have a desk and would be on camera during the breaks. | ||
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Scarlett`
Korea (South)2421 Posts
On March 31 2025 17:16 toinewx wrote: I made this thread initially about the GSL. I don't know why you guys focus so much on the EWC. GSL was the main tournament of SC2 and it died silently. I think the end of the GSL is a much bigger deal. EWC does not matter, you may have EWC this year if you are lucky, but with no GSL or other circuit in sight, this would be the last anyway. if EWC happens theres almost definitely some form of circuit as well which is why people are focusing on it | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1361 Posts
On March 31 2025 17:16 toinewx wrote: I made this thread initially about the GSL. I don't know why you guys focus so much on the EWC. GSL was the main tournament of SC2 and it died silently. I think the end of the GSL is a much bigger deal. EWC does not matter, you may have EWC this year if you are lucky, but with no GSL or other circuit in sight, this would be the last anyway. EPT/EWC was literally the only thing keeping the GSL running for years. Without the ESL Masters at the end, GSL was already kind of pointless and not worth it, financially it even was the weakest of the four regional qualifiers I believe. If we would get an EWC every year without a circuit the scene would still be pretty okay. No EWC but GSL instead however would be tremendously pointless. But to answer your question: Yes, GSL died quietly and even if there was some kind of announcement, it wouldn't be in English, because Afreeca/SOOP couldn't bother to thank the people who kept the lights on for GSL in the last two years | ||
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tigera6
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