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batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
May 24 2015 23:08 GMT
#781
On May 25 2015 08:06 sicklucker wrote:
Im not gonna argue over a check I did or did not make. but why would I not check one of the new players I cant read with a scum lean on?


I didn't want to argue I was just wondering.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 24 2015 23:08 GMT
#782
also this is ogi. But I would like to think scott would be exited to role mafia with me and would not post 3 times and die
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
May 24 2015 23:11 GMT
#783
SL who are you lynching today? Curious what you think about bunnies, bm, and sulfur?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
May 24 2015 23:11 GMT
#784
What made you reconsider on disfo?

Still not giving reads SL.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 24 2015 23:15 GMT
#785
I reread his filter. I have given more reads then you wtf are you talking about
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
May 24 2015 23:15 GMT
#786
I never understood what you mean by ogi? Can you explain that technicality?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 24 2015 23:18 GMT
#787
I think we lynch between bats/bm boxerfred?

a bunnies lynch wouldnt make me happy but I wouldnt cry about it
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
May 24 2015 23:18 GMT
#788
On May 25 2015 08:15 sicklucker wrote:
I reread his filter. I have given more reads then you wtf are you talking about

What in his filter made you think he was town.

Yet you arn't pushing anyone to be lynched right now. Yeah I am sure you have a lot of reads.

sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 24 2015 23:18 GMT
#789
On May 25 2015 08:15 plotspot wrote:
I never understood what you mean by ogi? Can you explain that technicality?


scott always says im really smart as mafia so I feel like he wouldnt play like that if he was my partner because he would have higher expectations
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 24 2015 23:20 GMT
#790
On May 25 2015 08:04 sicklucker wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 24 2015 23:06 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2015 20:38 plotspot wrote:
hi guys, I've reached p23. p24 was where I first published my statistics. EoD was is p30, so I think I will take this too before I post a summary, as well as my reads on the remaining players for D1.


Great, looking forward to that.

Looking at the votes on scott:

rels: pressures all the people with low/zero posts. did put a pressure vote on scott for basically only having 1-2 meh posts. scott tries to get rels off him, by saying he likes rels a lot. rels didn't seem impressed. scott never returns, so rels just keeps his vote on him.

breskhe: also voting for doing jack. but also backs it up with a meta read.
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On May 23 2015 12:21 Breshke wrote:
##Vote scott31337

I agree scott needs to lift his game. So does Bill murray to a degree both these people feel like coinflips at the moment. Like especially scott from just from looking at the three other games he has played seemed to have achieved the longest filter in his 1 town game even though he was only alive for one day compared to his scum games where he survived to D3 yet had a smaller filter.

Oh and he also calls out scott earlier:
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On May 22 2015 17:09 Breshke wrote:
I also kind of don't like this

On May 22 2015 12:00 scott31337 wrote:
On May 22 2015 11:49 plotspot wrote:
oh lawl game has started, but I have to go to sleep now, see you tomorrow
*celebrate good times come on*


What kind of post is this? You weren't even able to post any original thoughts before you left?


When scott leaves right after it after having only one other post. Feels scummy

Liking breshke a lot looking at this.

sicklucker: votes batsnacks, quickly drops that vote. Either a joke vote, or realizing that this wagon won't go anywhere? Looks at the two available wagons, realizes that scott looks worse than me, throws his vote on him. Says N1 that he would have tried to get me lynched instead of scott, if he had been around EoD1. Not sure what to make of him atm. =/

batsnacks: had an earlier vote on scott, after looking at bunnies, sulf and scott. decided to vote scott out of that bunch. Then switches to sicklucker with that one super irritating post.
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On May 23 2015 12:03 batsnacks wrote:
##vote sicklucker

ignore this it's nothing

+ Show Spoiler +
but I'm probably not switching

TBH I was thinking batsnacks and sicklucker were just trolling each other there. But sicklucker is still going on about that?
Well, batsnacks drops this vote on sicklucker super fast and votes scott with:
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On May 23 2015 20:14 batsnacks wrote:
In all seriousness I can't vote SL or anyone for that matter over scott if he's not going to post before deadline. Even what he has is scummy.

Since this aligns with his previous vote/read and the sicklucker vote was just a troll, I think this looks legit.

boxerfred: annouces that he will vote for an inactive person with:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2015 17:03 boxerfred wrote:
I think I'll vote for whoever is really inactive. That's like the safest way to not lose someone who's really valuable.

goes ahead and votes scott:
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On May 23 2015 21:41 boxerfred wrote:
Okay. So ##vote scott31337 it is. I'll try to chime in before EOD to check if he posted something, however, I won't have the time to post for the next 6-8 hours. gonna be close.

Expresses some doubts here:
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On May 24 2015 06:47 boxerfred wrote:
wow back just in time. so we still coinflip on scott - i don't like this since it's really ruining the game. Is that where modkills apply?

So... he goes from "I'll vote for whoever is really inactiv", which can imply "regardless of alignment" to "oh wow I really don't like to coinflip on the most inactive person ever."
Not really liking this. boxerfred, I would love to explain your train of thought on this.

If someone arrives at other conclusions from the votes, I would be down to talk about that. Will do some chores now so:


me unvoting bats is non alignment related. I relized he was not gonna get any votes and my vote was wasted. so i unvote their as town or mafia because its a wasted vote.

I said I was considering voting you did I ever tho? no because before I voted you I read your filter and decided you were not a great vote and then I lynched scum.


Yes that part is pretty clear to me. Was wondering about:
On May 24 2015 19:15 sicklucker wrote:
The standard play is not to lynch people who have not voted because their getting mod killed anyway. We got lucky I was bizzy at deadline and didnt get the lynch on disinfo because that would have been the smarter play not knowing scot was mafia

Nobody knew that scott would't try to get a last minute vote off.

On May 25 2015 08:07 sicklucker wrote:
If im mafia whos my partner here? everyones voted me at some point of the game now.

Me and bunnies would not be that obv.

I sapose I could be with bm? why dont you just vote him first

Possible that I was trying to hard to find a connection between my two top scum reads.

Rels and Breshke have made pretty compelling cases on you. Your answers so far weren't really satisfying. Do you want to try again?
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On May 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
Hello, this is a message for the potentiel vig in this game. I want you to consider a sicklucker shot tonight. Please read this post and think about it.

First please read Breshke post here or in spoiler:

+ Show Spoiler +

On May 24 2015 14:07 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2015 11:50 sicklucker wrote:
i think disinfo could be scum


Show nested quote +
On May 23 2015 13:14 sicklucker wrote:
one of bunnies or disinfo are scum

probably disinfo


Has a shitty push on disinfo doesn't explain anything or put any effort into getting him lynched just faking suspicion to seem town.

Show nested quote +
On May 23 2015 20:16 sicklucker wrote:
##unvote ##vote scott

Ya whatever. On a quick reread disinfo filter is not really bad. No way we cant kill scott here. I think a policy lynch is fine I have no high percentage flips in my mind


Backs of his shitty read again with no reasoning when wagon seems to be going against his partner. Starts bussing to get towncred.

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On May 24 2015 05:46 sicklucker wrote:
Ok i just read rels filter. I think he flips scum a bit more then scott I wouldnt mind lynching him. Hard to explian call it a feelin


Tries to push rels AGAIN with no reasoning. Does not put any effort into getting rels lynched instead of scott even though scott is just a policy lynch for him and rels he genuinely thinks is scum.

SL is not trying to work out the game he mainly just posts to post. Probably started bussing his partner then tried to see if he could start a different wagon. When noone started biting he just drops it.

We are lynching SL tomorrow.



If that doesn't convince you I will take what I said about him here and add to it.

First reason
In a few of his posts he either says he's town or gives argument to why someone should read him town. Apparently SL is a good player, so that could be straight up subtile manipulation. It is the tactics from commercials; one can only see something so many times before one starts thinking it's true, not knowing where the thought came by. I'm talking about these posts:
+ Show Spoiler +

On May 22 2015 07:22 sicklucker wrote:
disinfo you gonna correctly read me town again?

On May 22 2015 09:21 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2015 08:48 Breshke wrote:
It also says the all Qts were active in the like initial start of game post.

I'm not going to read you for a dumbbell SL I'm going to read you on giving nonsensical town reads and not thinking critically about the game


well you should because thats how you read me town

On May 22 2015 09:49 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2015 09:30 Breshke wrote:
On May 22 2015 09:22 sicklucker wrote:
On May 22 2015 09:05 Breshke wrote:
On May 22 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote:
@tictok what if you're mafia trying to pocket me with your overtly friendly wiles? I'm onto you mister you best be scared.

Let's all vote SL though. I feel like town SL has close to zero chance of being lynched because he'd never let that happen. Putting pressure on SL and breshke's reads can only lead to good things.

##vote: sicklucker


I really like this post and not even because it's telling people to vote SL the thought process is spot on.


its really nothing special. And im already playing and trying so its pretty pointless


Trying?

Saying your town for dumbtelling when its completly within your ability to do it as scum and your only read being that im scum for not calling you town for said dumbtell. I don't call that trying.

I get it is early but do you have opinions on anyone? What do you think of disinfo now that the QT thing has been corrected?


town points for not realizing their was a scum qt up for 24 hours like any town should

On May 22 2015 11:22 sicklucker wrote:
oh I totally took that post out of context hes asking me a qeustion pretty poor writinng . Oh well easy to read me town off that

On May 22 2015 11:37 sicklucker wrote:
im so town it hurts

On May 24 2015 07:14 sicklucker wrote:
Confirmed not veg dont shoot me mafia. Out for the night in a few

On May 24 2015 15:42 sicklucker wrote:
infact I was the hammer of the mafia and batsnackss followed me. I the town hero come at me




Second reason
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2015 08:33 Tictock wrote:
@Breshke

Humm you have a point. He did post an handful of stuff pretty fast and then bounce. Seems to be have just made a weak townread and then the weak towny post about not confusing us newbies.

Last game when he was town he never gave a shit about confusing us newbies. Now he's making this post defending newbies and town reading Dis, one of the newbies who was also in the last game with us. This does seem like he's scum motivated.

Straigth up this. I read student IX game, and SL was town and didn't give a shit about newbies.

Third reason
He says that BM is a lynch bait, but says this:

Show nested quote +
On May 22 2015 13:27 sicklucker wrote:
bill murray is lynch bait.

definition - a guy who always looks scummy and gets lynched

not saying dont lynch him but keep that in mind

That could be read as "lynch him if you want, when he flips green i'm going to be right". Seems to me like he almost want BM to be lynched without him on the train.

Forth reason
Until late in the last day he didn't vote scott and tried to push other people with no arguments. Really no arguments, just "I'm suspicious of XXX". Even after he voted scott, he still tried to push subtily other people without voting for them. I will list the posts where he does that. I will not post what he said on batsnacks because he actually made a case on him for once.
+ Show Spoiler +

On May 23 2015 11:50 sicklucker wrote:
i think disinfo could be scum

On May 23 2015 13:14 sicklucker wrote:
one of bunnies or disinfo are scum

probably disinfo

On May 23 2015 13:16 sicklucker wrote:
bats disinfo or bunnies + one of bm or the new guys I havent bother to read at all outside of sulp

Can we just vote bats your townread on him makes no sense breske

On May 24 2015 05:46 sicklucker wrote:
Ok i just read rels filter. I think he flips scum a bit more then scott I wouldnt mind lynching him. Hard to explian call it a feelin


Fifth reason
Lying.
On May 24 2015 15:36 sicklucker wrote:
rels was my lynch bro

No I wasn't. Batsnacks then scott was your lynch.

Aaaaaand that's it. sicklucker don't add anything useful, except one post: the one on batsnacks which amazingly I liked. Plus, apparently he plays like that every game, so no one can read him for sure. He really put chaos in the thread with how he posted: for example his defense post just above mine is only a gif.

What do you do with people hard to read, scummy, and that does things that cause chaos ? That's right. You vigi'd them. Even if he turns out to be town, that will be less confusion on the thread. So vig, if you even exist in this setup and have not made your mind about shooting, shoot SL.

On May 24 2015 17:58 Rels wrote:
Two others point on SL:

Sixth reason
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2015 15:43 sicklucker wrote:
im vulnerable tictock have any questions for me?

Then TT post some questions, and SL doesn't answer.
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2015 15:45 Tictock wrote:
Already asked dude, though I'd also like to know your thoughts on 27nb and BM.

Off to play games, bbl.


Seventh reason
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2015 15:34 sicklucker wrote:
On May 24 2015 08:11 Rels wrote:
On May 24 2015 08:03 disformation wrote:
Well. 1/3 mafia down.


Do we have confirmation it is 3 mafia ?
I mean, that's what I assume too, but is it written anywhere ?


yes its going to always be 3 mafia in 13 player format but if theirs a sk then 2? im not getting many mafia reads so thats possible.

Show nested quote +
On May 24 2015 15:47 Breshke wrote:
On May 24 2015 15:34 sicklucker wrote:
On May 24 2015 08:11 Rels wrote:
On May 24 2015 08:03 disformation wrote:
Well. 1/3 mafia down.


Do we have confirmation it is 3 mafia ?
I mean, that's what I assume too, but is it written anywhere ?


yes its going to always be 3 mafia in 13 player format but if theirs a sk then 2? im not getting many mafia reads so thats possible.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/473002-metal-mini-mafia

You were in this game SL and i kno you remember it because its one of the ones you love to mention so much because its the first one i got vig shot in. It had 3 mafia and an SK in a 13 player setup.



Getting super tired. Not sure how long I'll be available.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
May 24 2015 23:22 GMT
#791
On May 25 2015 08:18 sicklucker wrote:
I think we lynch between bats/bm boxerfred?

a bunnies lynch wouldnt make me happy but I wouldnt cry about it


What did you think of bm's big post where he went all james joyce?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 24 2015 23:23 GMT
#792
breskes never ever correctly read me as scum. When I have been scum I have beaten him and when I was town he tried to get me mislynched at one point in everrygame. So if your sheeping that might be a bad idea
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 24 2015 23:24 GMT
#793
On May 25 2015 08:22 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2015 08:18 sicklucker wrote:
I think we lynch between bats/bm boxerfred?

a bunnies lynch wouldnt make me happy but I wouldnt cry about it


What did you think of bm's big post where he went all james joyce?


didnt read yet
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 24 2015 23:25 GMT
#794
ok wow thats a big post. So i cant be scum with bm now. Whos my partner?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
May 24 2015 23:29 GMT
#795
On May 25 2015 08:24 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2015 08:22 batsnacks wrote:
On May 25 2015 08:18 sicklucker wrote:
I think we lynch between bats/bm boxerfred?

a bunnies lynch wouldnt make me happy but I wouldnt cry about it


What did you think of bm's big post where he went all james joyce?


didnt read yet


I think that's a good starting point because up until this post:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=34#670

He was pretty universally not-town read but then everyone I noticed changed their mind.

When I've seen BM as mafia he usually does big plays and makes these huge stream of consciousness style posts. This game is lacking the big plays but he has been busy and that is a huge stream of consciousness style post so...
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
May 24 2015 23:29 GMT
#796
TOWN READ:
Sicklucker: I admit I might be biased here, from his early posts on D1 4 hours into the game. I had the feeling he really thought about the game and was wondering how to progress it. From then on it was just his natural style, dropping in, posting in streaks, discussing stuff with people online and then vanishing again. I felt he was genuine, it was his style. Ok starting from post 357 (on my sheet) he starts to randomly scum leaning people without providing long-winded reasons. I guess he has me sold when he scumleaned Rels, who I admitted I thought was scum for reasons I posted. So yeah to D1 I think he is town.
Disformation: I originally scummed him for his first 3 hours, but as I went on reading more of him, I felt he had this sort of “I’m not sure about this or that”. He is one of the most active, but combine it anxiety for search and a slight bit of uncertainty lingering in his posts, I can only see him as town. Right now I am aware that he sort of has gotten into a battle with Boxerfred, so I will look into this more deeper.

Bill Murray: I believe this guy. He just doesn’t give a crap, yeah he might not be a helpful town (though you never know, he might have a reason to stay more low-key), but mafia? I’ll consider if other options have run out.

Tictock: oh yeah Tictock. I totally believe he is town. He is too active, too anxious. I feel he is almost to impatient to get results and reads in. In my opinion he would help town even more if he paced down a little bit. I believe mafia can use his wind to sailstab other townies if he isn’t careful. Just my opinion. But there, town. I’ve overcome his strangeness somewhat and believe it to be wrong chemistry if we misread eachother.

Breshke: Do I need to elaborate on this case? He has a sharp mind and is noticing and questioning things I can only say in retrospect: yeah good point. If Breshke is mafia, we are all dead.

Boxerfred: Is town because his stream-of-consiousness way of posting. I cannot imagine mafia being able to simulate this. He thinks:”hmm how can I solve this, oh right there was this thing I didn’t consider *posts*,… ah wait this thing too *post*. Beside that he had the slip about the coaching thread. I cannot imagine you would plan this as mafia. No way. The way I guess he is in some sort of heat with Disinformation is due to they both being uncertain and in a way naturally biased on how to perceive certain things. But I will look into N1 soon.

Regarding 27ninjabunnies, Sulfurus, Batsnacks and Barakos, while I was able to “deeply” the others these were the ones I couldn’t confidently read. This is where I need to filter-read them. If you were to pin me down now, I’d say BS and BA slight town read. SU and 27 slight scum. But let’s see.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
May 24 2015 23:31 GMT
#797
On May 25 2015 08:25 sicklucker wrote:
ok wow thats a big post. So i cant be scum with bm now. Whos my partner?


He had many similar posts in his last game as mafia in assassination.
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
May 24 2015 23:31 GMT
#798
Ok to emphasize, this is was read for D1, it does virtually not contain any info on N1.
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
May 24 2015 23:31 GMT
#799
thanks for the explanation SL, but I still don't understand what the word "ogi" means.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 24 2015 23:32 GMT
#800
Lets say im mafia who here can even be my partner?

2) Tictock like never my partner he has too many petty arguments againt me and votes me
4) plotspot Pushing me today
5) boxerfred acual this one makes some sense good thing im not scum
6) disformation hes pushing/voting me
7) Barakos would I check my team mate? Also probably pushing me im not sure
8) Sulfurus Who cares hes town
9) 27ninjabunnies Dont think we would be that obv
10) Bill Murray Im his only push apparently. I think hes the vote today
11) Breshke woulda rage quit if he was my partner
13) batsnacks pretty sure hes trying to lynch me. I voted him he voted me
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