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On May 27 2014 11:24 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Hi haru! (did you get your name from the korean word 하루?) you need to think up of a condition for yourself, or if you prefer, we shall think one up for you! p.s. zis is hard, putting z in every post. Close but no cigar, I took it from animes. How about everytime I'm questioned, I'll answer it with a rap? | ||
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On May 27 2014 11:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Sure! Haru, how much experience have you had in playing mafiaz? I realised I can't rap, so here I go: I only lurk And only look In tl where I lurk and murk I play mafia In warcraft 3 Where I wait for 2 hours for 1 game Yo yo yo | ||
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On May 27 2014 11:31 27ninjabunnies wrote: Guys, i really think jabber slipped here. Think about it, if he could put suspicion on chrom for playing differently, saying he was hiring an assasain last game, and could also be one this game, then we could fall for it. The fact that he didn't know we knew who were tugging the buttons last game, he thought he could get away with it. Well wham, bam, and thank you mam, we found one boys. 3/13 chance gamble anyone? ## Vote: jabberwockzerg | ||
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On May 27 2014 11:35 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I don't like this. If you're town, shouldn't it be a 3/12 chance? Haru, what do you have to say about zat? I realised I calculated wrongly If I'm townie it would be 3/12 Its an honest, honest, honest A very honest mistake yo | ||
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On May 27 2014 11:54 jabberwockzerg wrote: Delicately, must I awkwardly introduce all of my posts and then just get on with them I think that doing anything else other than leaving the subject as it is will make you an even likelier target for scrumm. Change the topic quickly | ||
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On May 27 2014 11:52 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Mine is hard. I just have to sneak them in somehow. I like how jabber's name includes a z. That makes it a lot ez-er. Rapping every answer to a directed question is harder. Is it too late to plead for mercy | ||
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On May 27 2014 11:57 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Haru, why are you helping jabberwockzerg defend himself? I suggested a way for For him to get out now Before he gets flaked so hard He dont want to post right now It is better for us all Not to hate on one Before the game even really started We should first have fun | ||
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On May 27 2014 11:59 27ninjabunnies wrote: I dont understand how this post had anything to do with what my case was on him? Nothing to do with it at all, just a crap post with no meaning other than for jabber to not feel so awkward with every post he makes | ||
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On May 27 2014 12:01 27ninjabunnies wrote: Can i? Cause it seemed by his post that saying speaking of the vikings down under in anyway is against the rules. Your euphemisms are fun, don't use the word scum! | ||
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On May 27 2014 12:02 27ninjabunnies wrote: To me, it seemed as if you were coaching him to change the topic in order to get pressure off of him. Why would you want to do that? I play with no targets in mind For the first day where it is still fun I only suspect But I do not attack I will not paint a target on the first day Because tails only show at night And thus we can hang those who Are deduced to be one next day No need to pressure in the first day, in my view Lynching him is still our aim, thus I will | ||
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On May 27 2014 12:12 27ninjabunnies wrote: It's not finger pointing. It's how I get my reads. If i find a post that seems like its sniffing the bishop, I'll point it out, question it, and get the reactions from whoever the post was pointed towards or the rest of people's reactions. But how is his post not hugging the sandwich maker?! He basically said you need to change the subject if you dont want to seem beating the chess game, You dont want to seem beating the chess game ON THE FIRST MOVE though. Just throwing that out | ||
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On May 27 2014 15:33 Amiko wrote: @slOosh re: Alakaslam style of posting Slam’s posting is usually fun, but occasionally frustrating since it’s not always clear what he means, so it can be hard to draw a read from that. I don’t think it is inherently bad On Jabberwockzerg I felt jabber’s first post was a bit odd because he copied his post from the prior game (where he was scum) and I feel like he might have a different opening if he was town. I also think bunnies may be onto something, but I’m not sure if her post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=6#106) realizes the more damning point or not (it’s sorta weirdly written) so I’ll write it just in case. To me, what is suspicious about jabber’s post is that he suggested a player was mafia last game, but he knew that the player was not mafia last game. In other words, he offered a scenario as a counterpoint that he knew to be false. It’d be fine if he said he was just raising the point as a possibility, but his answer (that he didn’t know it was public information) doesn’t look so hot. I’m not convinced on him yet, but I want to pursue this. @Jabberwockzerg: 27ninjabunnies has raised a point regarding your play that she argues shows you are mafia. You also posted that she was doing a lot of finger pointing on day one. Do you think her point on you is good? Do you feel that her raising that point makes her more likely to be town or mafia? @fuba and @HaruRH: You joined the vote on jabberwockzerg. I understand that you agree with bunnies’ point on him – what do you think of jabberwockzerg’s responses after bunnies’ vote? Do they feel more town or scum to you? aside @HaruRH: This is not game-oriented, but I really like the “God Knows” song from Haruhi and love to sing it in karaoke :D what I understood from all jabber's responses are either a high level of newbie play, or scum. I will provide examples later after I get on a computer. Will not unvote until jabber defends himself convincingly | ||
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On May 27 2014 12:15 jabberwockzerg wrote: If we're both mafia, wouldn't he have told me that in the QT? wait what? scum or newbie mistakes? | ||
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On May 27 2014 11:24 jabberwockzerg wrote: Didn't realize that was public information My bad This may have been used as evidence for the past 5 pages, but it still raises eyebrows. Why would you accuse someone of being mafia last game when you clearly know who is mafia last game? On May 27 2014 11:50 jabberwockzerg wrote: Clearing this up, I didn't mean mafia specifically, just non vanilla. Was this bad wording? Yes. Stupid of me? Yes. Learning experience, definitely Didn't mean mafia, but meant non-vanilla... wait, he said he could have been super into last game because he was mafia. On May 27 2014 11:56 jabberwockzerg wrote: Essentially, at that point in the game I was just spitballing. Then, he defends his claim by saying he was crapping. | ||
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On May 27 2014 21:07 Chromatically wrote: I don't like this choice of words so soon after you voted him, though. This makes it seem like you know he is town. He was pretty much playing like a newbie to me and he is leaning heavily towards mafia for me. Anything else he says won't change anything about that decision, so the best decision in my opinion was to leave before he screws up his day 1. | ||
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On May 28 2014 05:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: EBWOP: I think jwz is most likely just a noob scum who slipped, his comment make most sense from a mafia point of view. I find fuba and haru to be suspicious because of the manner they defend jwz, they don't come out strongly against the case but are instead content to make vague statements of disagreement while not doing anything to rock the boat. I disagree with slam, I think mderg has been jwz's best defender thus far and I like him for it because he's had the balls to stand by his opinion unlike fuba and haru. I think mderg is wrong but the way he presents his arguments comes off town to me. He smelt like a case of townie having a bad play in the beginning, thus I attributed it to newbie mistakes and tried to help him - a bit. However, his replies were beyond bad, they were scummy or just a very bad town play. No need to hesitate on the decision now. Although I agree that most day 1 lynches will be a flop, but this is the strongest scum case now and most likely to be correct. | ||
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Chromatically is a town read for me. Only mderg with his weird explanations seem to be a possible scumread. | ||
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On May 28 2014 22:06 Palmar wrote: The "too scummy to be scum" concept is a very fragile and shitty, but surprisingly often correct thing that happens. The idea is basically that if he is mafia, his team knows he made a blunder, so they would help him devise a strategy to come back, or bus him. if bus: I'd expect him to just shut up and not try to come back. Now I know I'm town but other people don't so this is weak from everyone else's perspective, but why on earth is he piling shit on me if his team is busing him. That is basically just helping me gain influcence in town. It's just bad play if he's mafia to give credit to a townie. if they try to save him: I'd expect him/his team/mafia coach to have come up with a better plan than what he has posted. His arguments are just straight up awful, If the mafia team can't collectively think up some better defense than this well.. I just don't want to believe that. And thus, he's being soooo awful that it's possible he's too scummy to be scum. He's blatantly wrong. He's hardly trying to cover up how awful his stuff is. But, there's also the chance that he's just acting on his own, he messed up, he's not thinking long term and thought maybe a wagon could be built on me, and in that case he's just mafia who's playing badly. Like I don't really like or see the point in speculating on this thing. If we have a slam dunk case on someone I'll support it, but currently I see no other outcome for today than lynching him. Too scummy to be scum. Such a loophole filled argument, but I agree. There might be 2 scenarios here in my opinion: 1) He is scum and his play gave him off 2) He is town and scum pushed for this by joining the bandwagon. I would give it a 30% chance to be 1) and a 70% chance to be 2). The only problem is the non-vanilla townies now. Who will they protect/scan/roleblock? By the way, which setup was used? A/B/C? Could be important for us VT to know. | ||
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I was initially reading jabber as VT with a shitty play - but changed the moment he gave such crap replies. Thus I was almost certain he was scum, but one cannot be too certain and I started throwing mini baits here and there. | ||
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On May 29 2014 04:24 Amiko wrote: I am working through reads on other players but here's one I will put up while I work on the others on HaruRH. HaruRH has made some comments I think are scummy or weird, if you are in thread and don't have other stuff to talk about, let me know what you think. 1) Seems to have joined JWZ case on grounds that feel overly non-committal After a case is made on jabberwockzerg, HaruRH presents the case as a gamble and talks a bit about odds - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=6#109. To me, this seems like a strange view. If you feel you want to go with the odds, JWZ is no more or less likely to be scum than anyone else. I dislike this for two reasons. (1) it gives no response on ninjabunnies' points; (2) it does not tie him to his vote on JWZ at all - his justification (probability) applies equally to everyone. 2) Tells JWZ to talk about things other than the case on him, but will only unvote JWZ if he addresses the case on him HaruRH more or less suggests JWZ change the subject to avoid getting votes http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=130&topic_id=451317. Initially, I didn't think this was bad - I also wanted to see JWZ scumhunt and talk about other issues, and some other players asked for that as well (Palmar comes to mind). But, HaruRH then says This is weird because he's told jabber to talk about something else... but won't unvote unless jabber talks more about the topic. 3) Weird role comments This feels strange to me for a few reasons as well. (1) There's no point to claiming VT at this time (or in general). (2) I don't understand how he manages to see the different roles in the OP, but misses the red text underneath saying we don't know the setup. I don't see why he'd start thinking about the setup at this point. This post could be trying to role-fish because he is thinking about night kills. You need to read all the points in context - I suggested for jabber to change topics, but his reply and subsequent posts were questionable or scummy. But he is not definitely scum, but more likely to be scum than others. I would give it a 30% probability he is scum, 50% shit play and 20% VT. in fact, it is not surprising for people in this newbie game to get baited by this simple setup bait. Read the posts after this post, you should know what I mean. | ||
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On May 28 2014 22:37 Palmar wrote: I don't think we know which setup was used. In fact, palmar seemed to have been baited. It is obvious to VT that we dont know the setup - but palmar is second guessing his own decision of not knowing the setup. A townie will not state 'I don't think', but use stronger words that indicate full understanding of the rules. Therefore, palmar is either scum or ignorant and I would go with scum. I will keep an eye out for more of his posts. | ||
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On May 28 2014 22:58 Chromatically wrote: Why would the setup be important for you to know? How is this relevant at all to the situation? Chrom's first reaction of asking why I want to know the setup gives me the read that he is VT as he is more worried about what I will do with the setup than if we know the setup. This means that he is looking to defend Town than to start guessing roles, which is scum play. | ||
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On May 27 2014 21:29 Palmar wrote: Just read Chrome's post above. I'm feeling good about this lynch. All on board! What I don't like about palmar's post is that he initially is certain about a jabber lynch On May 28 2014 21:11 Palmar wrote: I don't know. I think we have to lynch him. He's flailing so much and saying all the wrong things even after coming back to the thread makes it hard to think he will 100% flip mafia. If he is mafia he is not receiving any help from coaches or teammates. And then second guess himself by stating that he thinks jabber is 'too scum to be scum'. Weak argument, but I get his point about his coaches and allies helping him. Which is what he is doing now, helping jabber by second guessing jabber? | ||
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On May 29 2014 09:25 fuba wrote: Eh, he also didn't know that there wasn't a vigi in this game (I think that was him). I think he just plays mafia and checks the setup if it's really important for him to do so. Actually, mafia would know that they were given the setup, so I think scum palmar would be more likely to actually know that town doesn't know. If that makes sense, haha. That doesn't to me. In fact, I actually read the whole rules and roles because it may actually be important in the future. He was pushing a strategy with vigi, but failed to realise vigi dont exist. Everyone knows mafia was given the setup. Dont use ignorance as an argument, it is weak. What it simply tells me is that the 2 things on his mind were 'vigi' and 'role setup'. | ||
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On May 30 2014 02:36 Amiko wrote: @HaruRH I have some additional concerns regarding your last few posts. Please respond since it'll help me read you. (1) Position on JWZ vs. Palmar Look at the parts of these two posts- It seems from these posts that you have a fairly weak read on JWZ as scum at the time of the posts (30% town, 20% mafia). You seemed to have a more certain scumread on Palmar. I'm confused why your vote stays on JWZ. Is Palmar currently your top scum? (2) Setup Comments No one in the game could know the setup at this point regardless of their alignment/role (unless they are somehow a genius and have determined the power roles). So why do you feel Palmar saying he's not sure about the setup is scummy since lack of knowledge would come from town or scum? I guess it does evidence that he didn't read the OP, but I have seen town and scum both do that (for example, one or two newbie games back a few players thought they had a cop when they had a parity cop). Palmar's read came in less than 12 hours before the jwz lynch - nothing could be done at that point. However, I won't say palmar have a higher chance of being scum than jwz, it is just that his plays are scummy and garner a higher probability of scum from me. Pretty sure mafia knows the setup of A/B/C. It is stated on the op. Lets rank some scumreads 1) palmar 30% scum 10% ignorance (can easily turn into scum if he is caught not being ignorant but scummy play) 60% VT 2) sqrt 20% scum ( his play is wishy washy) 80 % VT 3) mderg 20% scum ( reading off his filter makes me want to point things out, yet have nothing to point. Weird.) 80% VT The rest have either a low scumread due to their post types (slam/sloosh) or because they presented their alignment quickly (Chrom/27) | ||
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Rather, sqrt still have my suspicions. He was deviating from the beginning by switching targets instantly, from palmar, to bandwagon, then palmar again, bandwagon again then lastly fuba. I know that some people are pretty wishy washy when it comes to voting, but sqrt seems to be dodging and is not presenting any cases for now, but rather spectate the game for now. Palmar - you still did not address my point of why did you initially strongly agree with the bandwagon, but fall off later? Stronger cases were put out against him at that point. | ||
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On May 30 2014 08:01 sqrtofneg1 wrote: @haru You didn't put people such as amiko or MZ. What is your take on them? MZ's play is indeed weird. Irrational to a certain degree. Sorry but phones dont let me multiquote so I would need to slowly quote, one by one. Amiko is driving dicussion on different lynch targets. Could be scum ( the last person you would expect to be scum would be amiko, the discussion maker). Greater possibility of VT. | ||
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On May 30 2014 09:42 Chromatically wrote: out of the people I didn't mention, I would put them in order of decreasing scumminess gobble slam haru fuba What about 27B? What are your thoughts and reads? | ||
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On May 30 2014 10:38 Amiko wrote: On Haru I made some points on Haru. I still think his responses are still pretty weird. For instance, this is from his last post- “Low” Scumreads (High Scumreads = 30%?) First, look at the second paragraph of the quote above. He is stating he has a low scumread on slam, slosh, chrom, and 27ninjabunnies. The way it’s written, it seems like this means that these players have a low scumread, as opposed to the other players he’s discussed. But, if you look at the post above, his reads on Palmar/sqrt/mderg are 30% scum or 20% scum. This doesn’t feel right to me – if I thought someone was 80% town VT, I think I would consider that a townread on that player, not a scumread. I’ll also mention that to me, his reads are weird (Palmar and mderg both seem towny to me right now). @MHaru: If you understand my point here, can you clarify your reads here? You could talk about Palmar – I think his play yesterday is sort of three parts – 1) vote on bunnies, 2) pushing the jabber case, 3) interactions with M_Z. I’d appreciate your comments on his interactions with M_Z the most, if those contributed to your read, since I think M_Z should get some attention today. Could you also explain what you mean by the “post types” for Alakaslam and slOosh? Although the two interacted, I feel like they post in different ways so I’m not sure what you mean. So am I supposed to say I read everyone as town? In my case, scumreads are the top 3 highest % of scum. Since it is only day 2, it is even more weird for me to set anyone higher than 50% - almost saying that they are 50% scum is lime saying he IS scum. Too extreme for me. I think that the way someone scumread should not be a case for being scum, nor should methods feel weird because it is MY method after all. Much like how sqrt's scumreads make me squirm. Alakaslam pops in for a few exchanges before disappearing, and much of his posts are... weird. Sloosh starts off with accusations, then disappears. I would push for a MZ or palmar lynch today. However, more emphasis on palmar as it is not just me who have problems with palmar's posts. | ||
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On May 30 2014 11:57 27ninjabunnies wrote: Im super glad chrom was town there. . Sorry for not being more active through the night. I think the lynch should be fuba, or mZ, ill give reads why in a minute since I just got home. Just wanted to update. Anything specific yall want me to look at?? Please look at palmar. | ||
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On May 30 2014 13:06 Amiko wrote: Okay, reading through filters, slOosh is my top scum right now and I want to lynch him. There’s other things that I think support scumreading him, but I think this is the best point so I want to start here and build. I think the central point is: After voting jabber, slOosh does nothing to develop his feelings on jabber. He doesn't try to get explanations from jabber or even follow up after jabber's responses This is the post where slOosh joins the vote for jabber. Initially, this is worrisome because slOosh is joining the wagon in a noncommittal way. He isn’t stating what he agrees or disagrees with. This is a “+1” post. This is potentially scummy because it’s bandwagoning without commitment. But the remainder of the day is what turns from suspicious to scummy. After his vote, slOosh does almost nothing on the lynch on jabber. So, take a look at other players’ actions D1. Other players question jabber – they are not sure on the lynch, so they want to get more information or talk about the issue more with other players. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- slOosh's D1 is different from almost every other player D1 because of his lack of interaction or followup on slOosh I went through every players' filter and I think almost all of them (maybe not Slam) support my read on slOosh as uninterested in the jabber lynch. This is a little long so I'll put it in a spoiler, but I really invite you to read through it. + Show Spoiler + 27Ninjabunnies: Many tons of interaction with jabber after she votes on him. + Show Spoiler + GOSH THERE ARE SO MANY EXAMPLES. Here’s just a few – even after raising the case and voting jabber, bunnies asks him numerous questions to get more information. There’s significant back and forth between them. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=6#116 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=7#126 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=8#145 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=8#150 I’m not going to list them all, there are plenty, look at bunnies’ filter, they are all over. She is not set on the lynch. This is the kind of reaction I would expect from town. Meapak_Ziphh doesn’t interact with jabber much, but he does comment on the case numerous times through D1 and explaining how he feels on the lynch. His filter doesn’t look as good as bunnies to me – he doesn’t really ask jabber anything directly or necessarily stir up discussion. I think he's kind of suspicious anyway, but he’s still better than slOosh. + Show Spoiler + Discusses reasons for joining vote - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=14#262 Says which situation he thinks is most likely - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=15#286 Still thinks jabber is best lynch - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=16#306 Directs comments to jabber (admittedly not in a helpful or inquisitive way) - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=17#333 Gobbledydook: starts off with some hesitancy on the lynch and gives fair reasons, explains his thoughts as he goes, addresses comments to jabber as well. + Show Spoiler + Comments on lynch - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=9#161 Shows more certainty after jabber’s responses - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=16#308 Explains his comment - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=16#313 Addresses comments to jabber - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=20#383 HaruRH: A lot of Haru’s talk about JWZ is responsive, but he does address JWZ directly as well and comments on the lynch multiple times through d1. As an aside, rereading Haru’s talk D1 is the main reasons I now want to push slOosh over Haru. I still have doubts, for sure, but Haru’s level of interactionwith jabber feels so much higher than slOosh’s. + Show Spoiler + Talks to JWZ telling him to look elsewhere - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=7#130 Discusses his interactions with JWZ (this is in response to a direct question, though) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=7#137 Gives updates on play (again responses to question) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=9#165 Points out something he sees as scummy http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=9#179 Talks with JWZ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=9#180 Explains thoughts (response) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=16#316 Comments on jabber http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=29#566 (more in filter) Sqrt: Sqrt was around when the case was made on jabber and interacted some with jabber and the players involved. He does ask jabber some questions and comments on jabber’s subsequent posts + Show Spoiler + Joking to jabber http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=6#113 Commenting on jabber’s response http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=6#115 Goes through reasons after voting http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=13#259, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=15#289 Specifically says jabber is his top scum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=16#305 Comments on jabber’s subsequent posts http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=18#344 Asks for clarification from jabber http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=19#379 Alakaslam: Ehh slam doesn’t really do much better than slOosh in this respect. He does have a little more on JWZ but it’s not too substantial either. + Show Spoiler + Initial explanation of vote on jabber: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=12#240 More explanation/thought on jabber: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=14#261 Mderg, Fuba, Palmar: I’m not going back into their filters because I did a lot already, and I know these players talked a lot about the jabber wagon on D1 so I don’t really want to post links on them for no reason. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So I just went through all these players. Why? It’s certainly possible for mafia to ask questions to jabber. They probably did! But, it is really hard for me to believe that town joins a vote on jabber, yet doesn’t seem to revisit the issue, talk about its merits with other players, or get some sort of confirmation from jabber. Pretty much every player in the game discussed the jabber lynch to some extent. Maybe we questioned jabber, or we explained our thoughts on why it could be a natural mistake, a scumslip, what jabber’s followup comments meant to us, etc. slOosh doesn’t ask any questions to jabber, or really follow up on the lynch. We get his explanation here (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=12#229). After voting for jabber, slOosh's D1 is questioning other players on why they vote for jabber, talking about Slam & Palmar, etc. Seriously, take a look at his filter and see how little he has to say about the lynch that was there basically the entire day. Wheres other players expressed doubt through trying to get more information, press jabber for more information, etc., If you are town, you (like me) did not know whether jabber was mafia or not. You talked about the lynch, you read jabber's responses, and you probably considered them and wrote something about your reads. slOosh's d1 reflects indifference to the lynch. I feel that indifference comes from scum. ##Vote: slOosh good points there. However, given such little examples of sloosh's words, there is still a chance that he is town. Town sloosh may not talk much and elaborate since it is still day 1, a bandwagon is forming out of control and he is a VT with nothing much to do. scum sloosh will be trying to avoid attention d1 and bandwagon just for the sake of it. Also, the lack of empathy towards jwz points him towards an anomaly route - more likely to be scum. still, I would want to wait for his responses before I vote. | ||
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On May 30 2014 16:04 Alakaslam wrote: Yet, oddly, I give you another example of us agreeing . ##Vote: Sloosh So... why? Care to elaborate? | ||
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On May 28 2014 16:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: K sqrt I'm starting to have a serious problem here. You go from this: To this: You can't "think he's town" and think he's scum too" at the same time. This is actually pretty scummy imo. Oh hey 27NB: I also am really digging this post here although I disagree with mderg and I'd insert someone else, who I'm not sure of yet. So Palmar, just so the record is straight, now I'm calling sqrt scum for clearly contradicting himself in an attempt to be vague and not get caught supporting the wrong person. Now that I re-read MZ's filter, nothing makes sense. 1) He is lynching according to bandwagons. he said that me and fuba were the most scum, after jabber. Right after that, he agreed that palmar and sqrt are the scummiest. He did not provide any sort of reasons or arguments as to why sqrt is his main suspect (that short paragraph is not a good argument). 2) Had more reasons to lynch others such as palmar, but voted for jwz at the last minute. He had a long argument with palmar and have already locked on palmar as scum, yet voted for jwz with no explanation of his last minute choice. No substantial evidence to vote for jwz, yet went for it. 3) not really a main point but, palmar did not die. This is more of a slippery slope argument as the very fact that palmar did not die seems to indicate that the rivalry between palmar and MZ ha e protected palmar. In no way would palmar ever die of mafia should this be true. Overall, I would vote MZ until he decides to explain himself properly. ##vote : Meapak_Ziphh | ||
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Firstly, my reads on palmar was distrupted because he did not read the op, which I assumed everyone to do so. Secondly, much of my reads on MZ is attributed to him forgetting to vote - last minute vote wws what I was banking on, but since it's a mistake now, I have no case against him. I will go with the flow for now until someone else piques my interest again. ## unvote ## vote: slOosh | ||
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In fact, this day gave us tons of information. Somebody have just exceeded 50% scum level.. | ||
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On June 01 2014 09:58 Amiko wrote: @Haru: Explain this before the flip please. (1) Are you townreading slOosh (like fuba is?) (2) Did you move off M_Z because of slOosh's post? Because of the vote patterns? (3) Disregarding the other points, who do you feel is actually scummier? Yes. I'm positive he is town. No. I moved off because of both his post and your weird push for sloosh. Too hard, in fact. MZ is top of my list. | ||
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On June 01 2014 09:51 Amiko wrote: @Palmar: I want you to reveal this was all a clever ploy to get scum to move onto M_Z and that you are now going to move back to slOosh. pls You better explain all your posts on d3 or before I die at night. Now I have pieced almost all the puzzle together. | ||
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If sloosh flips mafia, amiko would be 40% scum 60% town. | ||
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On June 01 2014 06:40 slOosh wrote: Meapak is scum and skirting by another day because of the wagon on me. Please refer back to my case and don't get sidetracked. Make sure he gets lynched tomorrow. The fact that he comes in to slap his vote despite no one actually asking him why he did it is proof he isn't really attentive to thread. Pressure gobbles next. His huge post concerning MZ doesn't really seem to have a conclusion, and it's not clear how exactly he is reading MZ as town. With bunny, Find out what she means by this. As someone who was pretty involved day 1, she should question a palmer mz scum team the way they went against each other. Likewise for day 2. This is a very strange post. I don't think fuba is as scummy as people are making him to be. His reads of MZ and sqrt seem very reasonable in that they aren't leaning hard either way but seem to be developing over time, considering that they could be town / mafia, instead of just assuming that they are one and going with it, which is what mafia do. Amiko ... I'm not too sure. I could see scum making a strong push for MZ, since he brushes off anything I say about MZ and makes sure the focus is on me, or it could just be misguided townie thinking I'm the stronger lynch. I would be watchful of what his actions relating to non-MZ players are, especially during the next day. Good luck town. Watch out for busses tomorrow. If gobbles did not die out of a modkill, he would be our next suspect - and our next lynch. Did sloosh sell out his teammates? | ||
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On June 01 2014 10:17 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Really sorry for suspecting you, amiko. Like seriously. I was 10000000000000000% sure you were scum. I was about to give you a 50% scum rating too amiko. Your last push for sloosh was VERY scummy. Luckily sloosh was scum. | ||
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On June 01 2014 10:23 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I'm just gonna go into the corner now, and sheep amiko from now on. I've done nothing of value this game. High five. I am going to my dunce corner. | ||
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On June 01 2014 10:24 fuba wrote: How was it scummy? I felt like he was purely concerned that his work for the entire day was going to be ruined by some guy coming in at the last minute and giving scum the opportunity they needed. I mean, I didn't see it that way, but I saw him as seeing it that way. I guess both me and sqrt saw amiko doing 'work', then almost begging for votes on sloosh. If sloosh was town, it almost feels like amiko is set out to lynch townies. Textbook scum push. | ||
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On June 01 2014 10:29 fuba wrote: Which push are you referring to? Was it before or after I came into the thread and switched my vote? No point debating. Amiko is almost definitely town now. Lynch MZ next and our game should end. Was a fun ride. | ||
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On June 01 2014 10:34 fuba wrote: Wasn't trying to debate, was just trying to understand. I feel like I've just been completely off track this game, despite actually being right about gobble. All of amiko's post from page 38 onwards is evidence for scum - if sloosh turned out to be town. Sqrt's read would be the same as mine. | ||
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What sloosh didnt expect is that gobble got modkilled instead. His plan to hide his scum friends were destroyed. Lynch everyone on his list. | ||
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On June 01 2014 18:52 mderg wrote: I don´t even want to imagine what would have happened, if gobble voted and MZ was town... In general I think scum is either MZ or likely to be found on the MZ wagon. I´m rather confident that it´s one between MZ, Palmar, sqrt, HaruRH. I don´t think it´s fuba, he started that and put himself in the spotlight in a way you probably wouldn´t want to as scum. The voteswitch at the end was strange because I don´t think it was going too easily. I mean the case was solid and based on sloosh´s whole game, and there were still like 3 people voting MZ. That was actually me and his defense suggested otherwise, so I don´t think it was really a solid point at the end of the day. I don´t think he sold out his teammates. His "reads" should probably not even taken into consideration right now since he was almost certainly going to get lynched at that point. For now I´d still go with MZ. I read him as scum since the end of day 1. MZ is third on his list. | ||
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On June 01 2014 20:56 mderg wrote: I probably worded that poorly. What I meant is that we can´t be sure what his last "reads" mean. What exactly do you mean by selling out? If I'm mafia, I will redirect all the attention to palmar or others like slam. Why ask people to pressure gobble and MZ? | ||
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On June 01 2014 22:12 mderg wrote: He was most likely going to die either way. There was no way Palmar or Slam were gonna get lynched instead of him. Everyone knew that. It is just that he left gobble, MZ, bunnies and my name in it, and so far it is spot on with gobble being mafia. If gobble did not get modkilled, we would almost definitely ignore gobble since slosh's reads cannot be trusted anymore. | ||
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sloosh mentioned gooble as his primary target after he is lynched -> turned out to be mafia indeed. slosh mentioned MZ as his second target ->??? | ||
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On June 01 2014 20:35 HaruRH wrote: What I gathered from sloosh's last post is that he pretty much want gobble to be cleared out of suspicion along with everyone on the list. If gobble didnt get modkilled, almost everyone will clear gobble of his suspicions since a last post by sloosh the scum should be ignored. What sloosh didnt expect is that gobble got modkilled instead. His plan to hide his scum friends were destroyed. Lynch everyone on his list. It is self explanatory imo. Sloosh(town) mentioned gobble -> gobble lynched Sloosh(scum) mentioned gobble -> gobble ignored as per what you all said. Thus if we completely ignore his words, gobble may not die this early. Actually, I'm on his list too. | ||
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On June 02 2014 10:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Slam claimed rb which confirms him as town unless he's lying. Leaving a confirmed townie alive is a cardinal sin. I'm sure to the mafia, everyone else is confirmed townie because only he/she is left xD I'm just curious as to why amiko did not get shot. much more to gain from stopping amiko from analysing than bunnies. | ||
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On June 02 2014 11:51 Amiko wrote: Do you think scum would trade the benefit of this for the use of their roleblock? If they did this, do you think it is a good move or bad move? Would be a good move since the last mafia roleblocker is quite unknown, might not be MZ after all? No point blocking roles of anyone you don't know. I doubt they got far with any role guesses. I think we have a cop. I am sure either sqrt or mderg checked me, or else they would cast suspicions like you did on me. A first day claim of roleblock means he will definitely survive first day - it guarantees first day security. However, second day would be a problem. If slam tells us hes rb again, he needs to be lynched | ||
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Here's my deductions: If nobody got rb today -> we don't have a cop and the mafia isn't threatened, slam is the most suspicious If anyone else got rb -> we have a cop. Slam is less suspicious. If slam got rb a 2nd time -> mafia is dumb | ||
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On June 02 2014 12:08 Alakaslam wrote: What about if nobody was rb? Because u L8 I not roleblock Or he gave up hope since he's getting hanged next | ||
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On June 04 2014 01:06 Amiko wrote: @Haru: Last night, your preferred lynches seemed to be (1) Lynch everyone on slOosh's death list (which I still think is vague) (2) Lynch M_Z into Palmar I can at least agree that M_Z is on slOosh's death list. Palmar is only sort of on the list (he's mentioned tangentially when discussing bunnies). Fuba and me are both mentioned in more detail on the list. So, can you tell me why you want to lynch Palmar over Fuba? Fuba is definitely more towny than palmar is - 10% vs 30%. However, I'm quite sure MZ's lynch will end the game so we shall cross that bridge when we get there. | ||
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On June 04 2014 08:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: You can still catch the last scum, don't write yourself off yet. We shall see in an hour and a half, I guess? | ||
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On June 04 2014 08:55 Palmar wrote: I'm not mafia. If I'm not mafia, who is mafia MZ. I will move this lynch off you if I can if your answer is good enough. Yea MZ, I would love some reads from you at this point. If you happen to be town, at least it will help to locate mafia faster. | ||
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On June 01 2014 06:40 slOosh wrote: Meapak is scum and skirting by another day because of the wagon on me. Please refer back to my case and don't get sidetracked. Make sure he gets lynched tomorrow. The fact that he comes in to slap his vote despite no one actually asking him why he did it is proof he isn't really attentive to thread. Pressure gobbles next. His huge post concerning MZ doesn't really seem to have a conclusion, and it's not clear how exactly he is reading MZ as town. With bunny, Find out what she means by this. As someone who was pretty involved day 1, she should question a palmer mz scum team the way they went against each other. Likewise for day 2. This is a very strange post. I don't think fuba is as scummy as people are making him to be. His reads of MZ and sqrt seem very reasonable in that they aren't leaning hard either way but seem to be developing over time, considering that they could be town / mafia, instead of just assuming that they are one and going with it, which is what mafia do. Amiko ... I'm not too sure. I could see scum making a strong push for MZ, since he brushes off anything I say about MZ and makes sure the focus is on me, or it could just be misguided townie thinking I'm the stronger lynch. I would be watchful of what his actions relating to non-MZ players are, especially during the next day. Good luck town. Watch out for busses tomorrow. I'm even more convinced to follow sloosh's list now. Firstly, lets see who is on his list (in order): 1) MZ 2) Gobble 3) bunnies 4) fuba 5) amiko Now we know MZ and bunnies are town and gobble is mafia, this is the current list: 1) MZ (lynched d3) - town 2) gobble ( modkilled d2) - mafia 3) bunnies (killed n2) - town 4) fuba 5) amiko This is the current list. However, sloosh probably intended the list to be like this: 1) MZ (lynched d3) - town 2) gobble (alive) 3) bunnies (killed n2) - town 4) fuba 5) amiko We would ignore gobbles when we have a MZ mislynch - causing us to lose confidence in this list of his and ignore the rest. However, I am confident all of the scum are in this list simply by virtue of how he tried to cover fuba and gobble by making it seem that he too is uncertain if they are scum or not. also, by process of elimination (removing amiko since amiko is confirmed town), the list goes like this: 1) MZ (lynched d3) - town 2) gobble (killed d2) - mafia 3) bunnies (killed n2) - town 4) fuba 5) amiko -town Fuba is the only one standing out right now. Sloosh literally have no need to mention fuba. Therefore, I will push for a fuba lynch tomorrow - if I dont die today. | ||
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On June 04 2014 09:52 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I'm pretty sure that BH rnged the roles? I'm sure it isnt rng. MZ replaced epishade, so I doubt BH done some hax. In any case, host WIFOM is boring. | ||
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My initial plan was to lynch palmar first, but I need to check if fuba is mafia or not as it is quite weird for sloosh to even mention both fuba and gobble, and gobble ended up scum. | ||
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On June 04 2014 12:37 Amiko wrote: I think I understand your comment like this- You think Palmar is more likely scum, but you need to check fuba because he was on slOosh's list? Yes. Sloosh's list happen to contain a mafia - theres no guarantee theres a second one. By my own judgement (which may be impaired), he is about 20% scum, but according to sloosh's list, theres a nearly 40% chance he is scum. I need to prove sloosh's list wrong or else I can't think. | ||
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On June 04 2014 12:36 Amiko wrote: Your list? Is your list people you think are town or people you think are scum? Scum list. | ||
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On June 04 2014 12:34 Amiko wrote: Also, doesn't your post on slOosh's list basically fall apart if you consider that slOosh probably made that post expecting to be lynched himself? At the time he made the list, he was the leading wagon by a significant margin with about two hours until the lynch. I don't think he could have foreseen that so many people would move to another wagon - even if his scum partner was on slOosh and moved and gobble voted, they still had to pull in more town than I think he could reasonably expect. So, rather than- I'll also add that there's no guarantee he was planning to kill bunnies at that time - as M_Z was getting lynched, quite a few people thought slOosh was town as well. I'm not sure that would have changed just because M_Z had flipped. So, I think the people who voted slOosh wouldn't have been so townread, and bunnies may have stayed alive (especially given how she was barely playing). Your assumption is that he sent this sympathy post to avoid being lynched - but I assumed he posted like this to protect his scum friends. He was sure he was getting lynched before he posted this for sure.(lynch mz first-> town, thus we won't really bothet with gobble/fuba anymore) By killing off bunnies, who was busy winning in cell mafia and had no time to read our game, they eliminated 1 out of 2 analysts for town before she could react. Sloosh may not have done this, it may have just been the scum himself who did it. It is right to assume that whoever pushed/sheeped the sloosh lynch and sheeped the MZ lynch is scum. Both palmar and fuba were doing this. Yes, after this night, we should have role claims. Essentially, only 6 people will be left and 1 more mislynch will spell trouble for town. | ||
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Bunnies + Show Spoiler + On June 01 2014 13:48 27ninjabunnies wrote: Thoughts on day 2: i didnt read shizz from day 2, and just voted sloosh because you seemed townie, and it was a good case. I do admit i bw the shit outta that vote. Score points for me. Haru to me seems a bit odd, tbh. Idk. Like his end of day stuff, and he was pretty sure sloosh was town. Idk ill look more into it. Also, this post i made early. Id look at sqrt next. Maybe palmer, but i still wouldnt lynch him. You can look at the post i made below as to why ( the gooble calling palmer out for the vote on me) Id have to look more into MZ Here are some posts from gooble on mz Gooble never outright calls MZ scum, kinda wishy washy, then calls him town, but instead goes on fuba. I dont think fuba is mafia based on gobble's reads. He was pretty hard on fuba, and i dont think he would bus here. Especially since one partner is already up for a lynch. Now onto slOosh I dont like his posting. I couldnt really pinpoint anything out of it. He wanted to lynch mz, but gooble didnt, so maybe a bus from sloosh to earn townie points? Maybe slam as mafia? Neither of them really mentioned him... Hmm... Id look at MZ, sqrt, and Slam for the next day. Bunnies read is very superficial since she hardly read d2 at all and died n2. However, she brought out some interesting points: 1) MZ isn't mafia. 2) don't THINK fuba is mafia. 3) will look at palmar but will not lynch him. 4) sqrt/slam as top scum reads. MZ + Show Spoiler + On June 02 2014 10:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Honestly slam the only thing preventing me from auto voting you right now is that if you were scum I'd have expected you to exploit your rb claim. To be fair towards you, you've handled it in a rather townie way. Once again though, I'm fine dying so you saying I "confirmed myself" means nothing. Now that MZ is townie, his read should be taken importantly. I only used this read of his as an example because his other read is just host WIFOM. He brought out an interesting point too: 1) if slam is rb, he should have exploited it. 2) fixated on the fact that slam played rb by himself. Palmar/slam + Show Spoiler + On June 03 2014 17:25 Palmar wrote: Don't think I'm playing lazy. If I'm right on MZ and I think I just might be depending on the fact he isn't even trying to defend himself. I think his "I want to pick the next kill" was his last card. Then doing other stuff is completely pointless. I really don't want to waste time scumhunting a bunch of townies. As I already said, if MZ flips town we'll cross that bridge when we get there. Both palmar and slam are playing lazy on d3. Both seem fixated that MZ should be the scum - but they leave behind future plans should this lynch fail. Fuba + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2014 08:13 fuba wrote: ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh Bleh, I had this whole thing written up but I refreshed the page and it got erased. Was basically just apologizing for being MIA and saying that MZ seemed like a pretty set lynch, so time felt better spent on projects (and reading the new Dresden Files book, and trying out Heroes of the Storm, but mostly the final projects). Summary of his post: 1) MZ seemed like a pretty set lynch 2) apologise for being MIA as time is better spent on projects CONCLUSION Firstly, fuba/slam/palmar should be our main targets now. We need a roleclaim on d4 to decide who have a higher chance of being scum. Fuba's excuses for playing lazily on d3 is very scummy. His post was very lazy too. However, I find fuba to be trying to draw less attention over playing the 'lazy' card. Thus, he is my main scumread. Both slam and palmar played lazily. Palmar is ranked above slam is simply because if slam is the scum, he could have exploited it more. He didn't. (Wrote this on my phone) | ||
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On June 04 2014 14:29 Amiko wrote: Well, I think I said exactly the opposite of that assumption. + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2014 12:34 Amiko wrote: Also, doesn't your post on slOosh's list basically fall apart if you consider that slOosh probably made that post expecting to be lynched himself? At the time he made the list, he was the leading wagon by a significant margin with about two hours until the lynch. I don't think he could have foreseen that so many people would move to another wagon - even if his scum partner was on slOosh and moved and gobble voted, they still had to pull in more town than I think he could reasonably expect. But I don't really think it's worth talking about this anyway. slOosh's contained scum if he wanted it to contain scum, and it contained town if he wanted it to contain town. It might contain some scum, it might contain all scum. I have no reason to think one of these is any likelier than the other - it is all just speculative guessing. If the argument is wrong, it's speculative in ways that aren't helpful. If the argument is right, it's speculative in ways that happen to be helpful. Let's talk about this point because I think it's more important- First off, did you write the first sentence correctly? (scum = people who pushed/sheeped on slOosh & sheeped on M_Z) Second, why don't you include sqrt? Third, you realize that you also pushed/sheeped the M_Z lynch. If you are town, why is it scummy when Palmar/fuba did this but not scummy when you did it (as town)? Or is it scummy that you did it? I had my suspicions on MZ on d2 already. It was simply a matter of fact before I voted MZ. Palmar and fuba sheeped MZ push on the context of 'lazy' I guess I should word it as 'scum sheeped/pushed a sloosh lynch &sheeped a MZ lynch'. | ||
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It would be easier to answer this as It is right to assume that whoever pushed/sheeped the sloosh lynch and/or sheeped the MZ lynch is scum. Palmar indeed went for MZ on d2 instead, but he offered no new arguments on d3 on why MZ is still scum. He went from MZ is mafia to On June 02 2014 04:43 Palmar wrote: @Amiko I'm not sure on MZ (mostly because if he was mafia wouldn't he just have surrendered by now?). But I still want to lynch him. I still think he's the correct lynch, I'm just not entirely convinced I'm going to end up being right. It's just normal doubt. "It can't be this easy". So his decision on d3 to lynch MZ can only be explained as 'sheeping'. (2) Not ALL who sheeped/pushed for a slosh lynch is scum, but they are definitely inside. The townread are used to exclude those who might be scum VS those who might not be, which in this case is you (which I initially did not townread) and mderg (which is a strong townread). Bunnies and MZ wasn't townread at all, they died town. (3) mderg is playing like a town would. On the first day, he did not sheep along with the jwz wagon and instead went for MZ, which was his main aim. On the second day, he was still fixated on a MZ lynch until your legendary play came about. Third day, still MZ. If he was scum, this is too much of an over-commitment. -> town Slam, on the other hand, have quite a few suspect remarks. Both him and palmar seemed to play d3 as 'lazy', which is weird. Albeit not as weird as fuba playing it as 'this game ends therefore I afk'. (4) sqrt is a special case. I won't rule him out, but he is less scummy than any of them 3. Sqrt have the special property of being indecisive - On d1, he couldn't decide on jwz or palmar. He presented both palmar and jwz as his top scum read, but settled on fuba in the end: On May 29 2014 07:05 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I propose a new wagon: Fuba. He votes jwz, and then unvotes him the next post with this explanation: Soon after, he votes him again. His next significant post, and his last post is this: Has there been significant discussion about jwz? Also, I disagree that the fact that he hasn't defended himself or offered an alternative wagon indicates that he's scum. I feel that jwz's attitude right now is more like a town who's resigned to being mislynched. This guy hasn't made much contributions. This guy doesn't look like town to me. This guy is scum. ##Vote: fuba Second day, he was also indecisive : sloosh or MZ. However, like me, he settled on MZ and suspected you as the scum for trying to push this lynch too hard. Third day, settled on MZ, wanted palmar dead next. This is pretty much what I think too at that time (until I got a fuba read). | ||
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What is your rationale for moving off fuba after d1? Any strong reasons why? Who are your top 2 scum reads now? Amiko: Who is your top 2 scum reads now? Why? Who is your top 2 town reads? Why? Who will you push on d4? Alakaslam: Try to answer this in the most non-troll way possible: What is the reason for posting lazily like this on d3? Fuba: Any defenses to my claim? I hope to read these responses even if I die this night, such that I can have a better read. | ||
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On June 04 2014 19:48 Palmar wrote: Tbh I still think this game will solve itself. We _still_ have two blues. Btw, if a blue claims in lylo mafia can counterclaim. So it's probably better to claim one cycle before lylo. I don't know how obvious this is but please make sure we don't waste confirmed townies. D4 will be 2 more cycles before lylo so it should be even safer to claim on d4. At least there is a day's worth of buffer time for n4 so that they can actually prove they are blues. | ||
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On June 04 2014 22:33 mderg wrote: I agree that the MZ lynch needed to happen but in the end it didn´t bring us any further. IMO the lynch did show us that fuba is either playing 'lazy' or trying to avoid attention. Awfully quiet from him these few days (d2&3) | ||
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On June 04 2014 23:00 Palmar wrote: Discussing the setup is fine btw. If my count is right, tomorrow we'll be 6 people alive. mderg HaruRH sqrtofneg1 Amiko Alakaslam fuba Palmar that's 5v1. I would suggest in a 5v1 scenario that town no-lynches, bringing it down to 4v1 (and that's when claims should happen at latest) -> lynch -> nk -> 2v1 (lylo). The reason we should no-lynch is that it gives cop/watcher additional night to work with. Of course mafia might decide to not shoot in the 5v1 scenario forcing us to lynch, but in that case just lynch. Since Bh just stated no no-lynches, we can only go with: 5v1 -> role claims 3v1 -> lylo I doubt we have a medic (or we have one which fails every night). Cop seems improbable since a red would have been found out by now, given that everyone wanted to lynch sloosh/gobble/MZ. | ||
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On June 05 2014 05:46 Amiko wrote: Haru I feel like I just do not understand what you are saying 50% or more of the time, I'm sorry but please keep talking to me so I can try to understand. I feel like you keep writing slOosh when you should be writing M_Z. This is the vote count: I color coded the confirmed people. There is one scum left. I don't think there is any grounds to say that there has to be a scum inside the people who sheeped/pushed slOosh. So, how are you saying: Especially when, from your post, your primary suspects are fuba and palmar, who were both on M_Z? [b]In short, either (a) There is a scum who sheeped/pushed slOosh (b) Fuba or Palmar is scum You are saying you think both of these things. But, it cannot be both, unless you think Fuba & Palmar pushed/sheeped slOosh (i.e. that Fuba & Palmar fit into (a)) I don't think they did sheep/push slOosh at all. Just in case we are confused, I think of "pushing" a lynch as supporting a lynch. I.e. "Amiko pushed the slOosh lynch d2." Yea I think our animosity towards each other lies in misunderstandings. I included slam in my list too. Both of (a) and (b) can result in scum. | ||
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On June 05 2014 10:29 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I had mad townreads on haru though. And I thought I couldn't save you again. Yea sqrt and I were thinking about the same thing usually, I townread sqrt actually. | ||
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If mderg is confirmed town (he got rb but he could have lied), then this game is over. Either palmar or fuba is our mafia. Kill palmar. Then fuba. | ||
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I doubt we need a case now to choose who is mafia. Given that amiko and sqrt are not lying (no counterclaims by anyone, thus they both shouldn't be lying) and given that amiko proves I am VT, this creates a bubble of town around us 3 and anyone else have the remote chance of being mafia. There is no way that either of us 4 (other than sqrt and amiko) will die this night since unless they kill off both of them, tomorrow will be their funeral. mderg have the chance of being mafia, but we can discuss this tomorrow when we choose between fuba and mderg. So far, even though I recognise that fuba is a better lynch target, we still need to lynch you as more people suspect you as mafia over others. | ||
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On June 05 2014 19:11 Palmar wrote: This is incorrect logic. Everyone knows exactly why I wanted to lynch meapak. I repeatedly gave my reasons. Too bad my reasons also applied to a lazy apathetic townie (not reading the thread, making asinine statements etc). If you lynch me today, you will have to decide tomorrow between fuba and mderg, as the rest are confirmed by mechanics. Yes I agree, I could just roll over assuming I'm convinced one of the other two is mafia, but that is accepting a mislynch. I'm not MZ, I don't lay down and die like a good boy. I hate being lynched as town, especially for no reasons at all. Ideally I'd like you all to give reasons, because you're using terrible reasons to lynch me because you guys are refusing to read the thread for some reason. At least that would give me satisfaction post game. Amiko read me 100% correctly on day 1. He decided to just say "well fuck that, palmar thought MZ was mafia". I have no idea why. Even if you guys (the confirmed players) have no intention of doing anything other than lynch me today, you should absolutely force fuba and mderg into doing what I'm doing. It's dumb as hell not to do it. Just threaten them with a lynch. Move your votes to them (especially fuba) until he comes back and actually does anything. Stop giving me a townread, now I have to move my votes over to fuba you sicko. ##Unvote: Palmar ##Vote: Fuba | ||
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On June 05 2014 19:12 Palmar wrote: Almost no one was talking about gobble. So why didn't I bus sloosh then and try to protect gobble? Wouldn't that make more sense? Your logic is awful. Why would you want to protect gobble? Gobble would certainly be lynched d3 if he did not modkill himself. | ||
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On June 05 2014 19:16 mderg wrote: You think fuba would be the best lynch target? If so, you should probably try to push that lynch. It´s not like you have to be in favor of lynching Palmar just because the majority wants to lynch him. Yes, I still think fuba is the best lynch target today. My huge post about fuba being the biggest target still stands. | ||
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On June 05 2014 23:32 Amiko wrote: And no, you are the top lynch because there are three people unconfirmed and (1) you are the scummiest of the three (2) mderg is the least scummy of the three, so it doesn't matter to me a whole lot whether you or fuba dies first. I'd rather kill you first though, since I think if we finish the game tonight probably I don't end the game dead :3 There is also the small possibility that if we leave you alive until tomorrow you will bamboozle Haru into voting for mderg for no good reason. Don't make me feel useless man | ||
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"I understand that I'm lynching Palmar based on absolutely nothing because I am afraid of words and my brain hurts when I think. I also don't like winning mafia games. I take full responsibility for my idiocy." sig: HaruR Wait a minute, I dont want you to shut up. Continue on, your overreaction is fun to watch. | ||
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Using the kills on d2 and 3 as proof, we have: Bunnies - n2 Bunnies was active at n2 exactly after the lynch, where she said that she was catching up. Fuba was active at that time too. Mderg only came along 10 hours after all the fiasco. It could be right to assume that fuba sent in the name when bunnies was regarded as safe by amiko (amiko was asking bunnies about reads on others and never asked others on reads of her) and me and sqrt were suspected. This is a safe kill for fuba as it only causes trouble for everyone else to lose a 'confirmed' townie. Alakaslam - n3 On n3, both palmar and mderg were pretty active, figuring out the lylo situation. As scum, it would be wise to kill off slam since he could have been blue and was quite a confirmed townie by you all. Slam did not die on n2 since killing off bunnies would have been more beneficial, to deny her time to make claims. Thus, slam the confirmed town was killed off n3 instead. I'm still convinced its fuba. If Palmar is the scum, I'll. .. cry. | ||
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On June 06 2014 13:01 Amiko wrote: @Mderg: Can you talk some about fuba in particular? Ideally I'd like you to make as strong a case on fuba as you can. @fuba: Can you explain to me why you raised your case on sqrt when you did? I think I raised the point earlier- To me, the tone of your post seemed like you were just interjecting in a conversation you were involved in (you said something like "I'm glad you mentioned sqrt"). But, if you were following the conversation, I would have expected you to be caught up on the slOosh / M_Z lynches and weigh in on the bandwagons. It seemed to me like that post just didn't belong at that time. There's other stuff on D2 I'll try to bring up as I continue through thread. It should be obvious by now that both fuba and mderg are intentionally hiding or trying to get attention - I still think fuba is the lynch. I am not going to convince both of you to switch to fuba, but Palmar's flip will prove to be a headache for us. | ||
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On June 07 2014 01:18 Palmar wrote: Day 1. I don't know what happened. Maybe I dreamt the whole thing. I was having a conversation, quite a heated conversation. Someone wanted to kill me, neither of us was sure for exactly what reason. The last thing I remember is some fading echoes of how I hadn't changed his mind. And now I'm stuck here. It took me a while to fully realize that I'm alone. I'm not quite sure how to proceed from here. I thought I was talking to someone, but only the wind seems to have heard me. I heard a summon so I came | ||
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I had nearly forgotten that I signed up for this programme called 'Detention Mafia', which caught my eye when the ad was shoved into my letterbox. I submitted a letter of participation enclosed in the ad. Nearly 2 weeks later, someone rang the doorbell. At this point, I have forgotten all about this 'Mafia' thing I submitted, so I thought a relative came along. I opened the door and the last thing I saw was a big, grizzly guy in black. I woke up here, in this debilitated concrete building that seemed to be abandoned for quite some time. I was in a room with a huge wooden door with no windows - and under the door was a piece of paper. I couldn't feel my legs, so I crawled to the piece of paper and read it. 'WARNING: THIS IS YOUR ALIGNMENT. DO NOT REVEAL IT. YOUR ALIGNMENT IS......' was what was written on the piece of paper. I don't know why, I can't write my alignment on this diary. Some magic have to be involved in this. A few minutes later, I recovered the use of my legs and opened the door. It opened to a gigantic room with 12 other doors around it, with a medival style wooden grandstand complete with a noose in the middle. I shuddered. 'what could this giant wooden platform be for?' I wondered out loud. 'For a game we are forced to play, called Mafia.' said a voice behind me. I turned around, and leaning on the opposite wall was a tall and lean young man. He identified himself as 'sqrtneg1', which was a codename that we all had to use as per the rules written on the piece of paper. Suddenly, everyone - 11 others, in fact, came through their doors and gathered in this giant room, which felt small now. A voice rang 'Greetings. I am the host of this game, the 'Detention Mafia'. My codename is BlazingHand. In this game, 3 mafias, 8 vanilla town members and 2 others have been selected. I believe you all have read the slip of paper before you came. This is a simple game of mafia. Every morning, which last 48 hours, you can vote for someone through the box beside the platform who you think is the mafia. At the end of the 48 hours, the votes will be tallied and the highest voted individual will be lynched.' A chill ran down my spine when I heard that word. What is the meaning of this? Why do I have to kill someone else? I wondered. 'you have to lynch all the mafia members before they outnumber you. Every night, which lasts for 24 hours, you will stay in your room. The mafia will be armed with a gun, and they will choose someone to kill. You have 48 hours for the first day. Have fun'. And the voice ended. There was an uproar in the room. Everyone had no idea what to do. It took us 2 hours to calm down and we sat in a circle, introducing ourselves. 'Hhhheello my nnname... my cooode name is jaaaberrwoooockzzzerg' as the person seated directly opposite me stuttered. 'Amiko here.' said the guy in a full suit, with sunglasses on. 'Chromatically here!' as the guy who looked younger than me raised his hands. '27ninjabunnies here!' said the lady in shades. Meapak Ziphh at your service' as the yound man, who looked to be in his thirties stated. 'mderg.' said the guy who looked completely disinterested. 'Hello guys, I am sqrtneg1 and....(I failed to hear the rest of his speech)' said the guy whom I just met. 'slosh hereee.' the guy said in the most boring tone ever. 'ALLLLAKASLAM IZ MY NAME' as the hippie-looking guy proudly exclaimed. 'fuba'. said the second most boring person. 'Palmar here.' claimed the person who had his legs spread out. Lastly, I introduced myself 'Haru..RH here... hello?' I said. I was still very confused with the current situation. After the introductions, everyone explored the different rooms and the giant hall. I clenched onto the slip of paper, knowing that this might decide my fate. Before long, I felt sleepy again and went back to the room that I awoke from and went back to sleep. Who are these people, and what is my purpose here? I wondered before drifting to sleep. | ||
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24 hours till the first lynch. I barely slept - I was wondering what kind of horrific game was this. As I stumbled out of the room, there was a huge commotion going on. In the middle, the person who identified himself as 'jabberwockzerg', the timid one, was surrounded by ninjabunnies, sqrt and fuba. They were literally screaming at jabber, who was cowering at the center of the commotion. I joined in and heard about how jabber accidentally let loose some details that may prove him to be mafia. Without hesitation, ninjabunnies went to the voting box and voted for jabber. '27ninjabunnies have voted for jabberwockzerg', a booming voice rang. Jabber broke down to tears and cried for help. I went to him and told him to quickly pack up and go, but was suspected by them to be 'scummy' instead. 'Why did you do this? Are you helping your scum buddy?' ninjabunnies claimed. I shouted back that I just wanted to help him. Mderg suddenly stepped in and helped jabber too. He fought a 3-on-1 battle while I reconsidered my options. 'What if jabber was the mafia we are looking for?' I walked to the voting box and voted for jabber. 'HaruRH have voted for jabberwockzerg', the voice boomed again. I shook. What would entail for jabber? 5 hours later, votes for jabber flowed in. Mderg is still defending jabber and voted for Meapak instead, who he thinks is a stronger case for the real mafia. The general consensus was that jabber was playing like a mafia, and with jabber hiding himself in his room, not defending himself, he was set to be 'lynched' today. The time for the lynch came. A shadowy figure came in from almost nowhere and poured out all the votes from the box. 'NO!' screamed jabber, from his own room. He was genuinely afraid. The figure counted and said in a deep voice: ' 11 votes for jabber. He shall be lynched' and walked to jabber's room. Jabber was grabbed out of his room and onto the wooden platform, where everyone gathered around. 'Jabber the vanilla townie is thus lynched' as the figure tied the noose around jabber, who is still crying and shouting for help. The figure pulled a lever and jabber was hanged as the floor underneath him gave way. I could not believe my eyes. I actually voted for someone to die, in front of my eyes! I teared as I thought of how jabber was just scared and was helpless all long. We did not gather any information nor did we 'lynch' a mafia. The guilt of killing jabber and the fear of a mafia coming into my room to kill me is gnawing into my consciousness. I stumbled back into my room while glancing at jabber's helpless body one last time. I cannot sleep tonight. | ||
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On June 07 2014 02:02 Amiko wrote: Are they hiding? Or are they trying to get attention? I don't understand how this sentence makes sense on its own, or preceding the statement that fuba is the lynch. trying not to get attention* | ||
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On June 07 2014 02:10 Amiko wrote: Anyway Haru honestly, whether we lynch Palmar first or Fuba first only matters if you think mderg can be scum. It is possible, but I think the likelihood is really remote (and for what it's worth, it seems Palmar and Fuba both are stating the same). If Palmar is lynched and flips town, I think the obvious move is to lynch Fuba tomorrow unless there's any real case on mderg. Take a look at fuba's points on mderg and see what you think of them. I know you suspect fuba, but take a look and see what you think. Honestly, I think we have enough information from Palmar today. I say we lynch fuba today and pressure mderg. He still have the chance of being the mafia - a remote chance is still a chance. I really want to hear what mderg have to say. Fuba doesn't seem to want to contribute. Get rid of him today. | ||
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On June 06 2014 04:30 fuba wrote: I also realize that both Palmar and I, whether town or scum, will probably want to lynch mderg first because mderg is a much more difficult person to lynch than myself or palmar, respectively. I'm not sure there's a way for town to win out of this situation if Palmar isn't scum, tbh XD I feel like if I'm lynched first then Palmar is almost definitely the next lynch, judging from the thread recently. And if Palmar is lynched first then I'm not sure I see people lynching mderg over me, when even I've admitted that it makes more sense that he was actually roleblocked than scum is faking the roleblock. Because my game feels pretty much over either way, I'll just sheep Amiko. ##Vote: Palmar Because why not~ To me, this statement have convinced me fuba is the scum we are looking for. he did not include himself into the group of town. If it was any other town, he would have stated I'm not sure there's a way for us town to win out of this situation | ||
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On June 06 2014 06:17 mderg wrote: I feel like Palmar´s defense is completely based on 1 point, that he wouldn´t play like this as mafia. His actions would make sense as town but they would also make sense as scum. His vote on bunnies doesn´t make him town. Slightly pushing a townie for weak reasons doesn´t instantly make one suspicious. It seems like a low risk low reward move to make as scum. Semi-busing sloosh and gobble was without any follow up, so that didn´t actually put them under huge pressure, so it wasn´t very dangerous and could be used to distance himself from these two resulting in him being less suspicious when they flip or the other way around. It would be pretty ballsy but I think Palmar is capable of that. Staying on MZ on day 2 also makes sense from a scum perspective because one more vote would have changed things. Especially with the third mafia not voting this could have ended in a mislynch and put a scumteam of sloosh, gobble, palmar in a good position. So it all kinda comes down to this: The thing about this is that it´s simply a matter of believing him or not believing him. And I don´t believe him. I don't know if mderg is trying to convince us all that Palmar is the scum through his feelings or what, this is definitely not something I would like to see from a mafia candidate. we need to pressure mderg more to speak up and give us his final thoughts rather than sheep you and afk. | ||
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On June 07 2014 02:33 Amiko wrote: "I'm not sure there's a way for town to win out of this situation if Palmar isn't scum" Why is this suspicious? It seems like something fuba would say if he was town (I don't townread him for saying it, I'm just saying it doesn't seem scummy to me) If fuba is town, from his point of view the remaining mafia is either Palmar or mderg. I think fuba recognizes that the prevailing thought is that mderg is the most towny of these three, so it's irrelevant whether Palmar or Fuba is lynched first if mderg is scum. It seems scummy to me because nobody speaks/write like that when referencing to something that he/she is. For example, you don't say 'I'm not sure if there's a chance people will die if they live in the radiation zone' if YOU live in the radiation zone. Instead, you would say 'I'm not sure if there's a chance we will die if we live in the radiation zone'. You always associate things to yourself if you're it. If you know what I mean. This just tells me fuba isn't thinking like a town, and rather have some scummy thoughts. | ||
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On June 07 2014 02:33 Amiko wrote: If fuba is town, from his point of view the remaining mafia is either Palmar or mderg. I think fuba recognizes that the prevailing thought is that mderg is the most towny of these three, so it's irrelevant whether Palmar or Fuba is lynched first if mderg is scum. And if Palmar is lynched first then I'm not sure I see people lynching mderg over me So fuba doesn't include himself in town? He said that he knew palmar will die today, so he should be referencing to himself even more as he will definitely be alive for 1 more day should palmar be a mislynch (which at this point, I can bet it is one). I'm not sure there's a way for town to win out of this situation if Palmar isn't scum, tbh XD Making people doubt mderg. Hmm. | ||
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On June 04 2014 02:06 mderg wrote: This honestly feels like scum who´s given up. | ||
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On June 07 2014 02:44 Amiko wrote: That's fine. Let's talk after the game since I'll know your helpful comments are genuine. >.> you're really bent on killing off both fuba and palmar. But I still think that mderg still have the remote chance of being mafia. We should really let palmar live for one more day, lynch fuba who is still unwilling to contribute until now and make mderg and palmar try to convince the remaining of us who is more scummy should it still go on. The order doesn't matter, but having palmar who is willing to talk is better than fuba, who is just hiding. | ||
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On June 07 2014 02:51 Amiko wrote: Don't you think there will be more pressure on fuba to talk tomorrow? When everyone who is left seems to want to vote him? When Palmar isn't here to be a focus? No. Fuba doesn't feel like someone who will be pressured even with votes, given his previous record of nearly ignoring everyone who voted for him, not asking why they did so. | ||
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On June 07 2014 02:51 Amiko wrote: When everyone who is left seems to want to vote him? This is the problem I want us all to overcome. After killing off palmar, everyone will afk and sheep a fuba vote. I can and will guarantee this will happen. If mderg is the mafia, he gets a free win. | ||
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On June 06 2014 04:30 fuba wrote: Because my game feels pretty much over either way, I'll just sheep Amiko. ##Vote: Palmar Because why not~ He isn't even trying anymore, any questions will not be answered because he doesn't feel the need to answer anymore. Doesn't this screams scum to you? | ||
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D1: MZ D2: MZ -> Sloosh D3: MZ His reasons for voting MZ on the first day is this: + Show Spoiler + On May 29 2014 08:21 mderg wrote: Now on to Meapak. I think he might be the scum we´re looking for. I don´t agree with his reasoning to vote for jabber but that´s not scummy in itself. What I really don´t like is the part about HaruRH. He assumes jabber is scum but in that case I think it´s way more likely for scum to completely bus him and hide under all the other votes on him. He also never really makes a follow up to this. I think it would have been helpful to give reasons why he could be convinced of a Palmar lynch. To me it seems like searching for someone to sheep the lynch from. The part about sqrt is not actually something I see as scummy because it pushes for better information. I like how he defends me for my jabber defense. This part of his play seems good to me. This feels like he´s being critical about the ongoings and is trying to solve the game. So I liked how he defended me and was critically questioning a second bandwagon. But I didn´t like how he pushed HaruRH without following up at all. I also don´t like how he was basically just waiting for someone to make a case on Palmar. Overall I´m not convinced by his play. Everything I liked about his play posts about things surrounding the jabber lynch. He´s made some weird pushes without proper follow up which is what makes me think he might be scum. ##vote: Meapak_Ziphh Overall reason: not convinced of his play of making weird pushes without proper followup. From filterdiving mderg, excluding his defense on jwz, it all falls under 3 categories: 1) bussing + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2014 21:10 mderg wrote: I think sloosh´s first defense makes sense in theory but I think it looks kinda forced. I feel like if you want him to provide more content and proper reads, you can ask him questions about other people without pressuring too much. But almost ignoring feels like the wrong idea, if you want him to develop his own reads. I wasn´t completely sold on his scumminess but this defense just doesn´t sound townie to me. + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2014 01:00 slOosh wrote: Not interacting with him isn't the same thing as indifference. Jabber was in a situation where basically the entirety of town was calling him scum. The best thing to do in this situation is to ease off the pressure so we can see if he can develop some reads and absolve himself. Otherwise all his efforts are put into trying to defend himself for a mistake we now know was innocently made, and cannot be defended. Which is what he ended up doing. This led to posts like this In hindsight we see that because his time and focus is bent on something that he admits was a mistake and is indefensible, his post quality dropped. At the time, it's not clear if this is from scum or town, because there isn't too much actual content in here. I wanted to avoid this by not adding onto the grilling of him, and instead watch what he does if left alone. This is why I started prodding other people as it's more productive than just waiting to see what jabber would say, and also maybe provide avenues for jabber to contribute. In the end jabber wasn't really able to mount any meaningful content so I left my vote on him. I don´t think him making a case on MZ is alignment indicative for either of them. An MZ lynch is basically the only way for sloosh to survive. If sloosh flips scum (I´m assuming that he will be the lynch for today) it doesn´t clear MZ at all, since sloosh´s case on him came only when both were under heavy pressure. This basically seals the deal for me. What Amiko pointed out looks like textbook scumplay to me. With this I´m pretty sure sloosh is scum. My opinion on MZ also didn´t change one bit, it´s just that sloosh is even scummier than him. ##unvote ##vote: slOosh He basically jumped onto the slooshwagon with a reason that is based on his feelings. 2) redirecting attention After jumping onto the slooshwagon, he stated that scum should be on the MZ wagon, which he initially jumped out of. + Show Spoiler + On June 01 2014 18:52 mderg wrote: I don´t even want to imagine what would have happened, if gobble voted and MZ was town... In general I think scum is either MZ or likely to be found on the MZ wagon. I´m rather confident that it´s one between MZ, Palmar, sqrt, HaruRH. I don´t think it´s fuba, he started that and put himself in the spotlight in a way you probably wouldn´t want to as scum. The voteswitch at the end was strange because I don´t think it was going too easily. I mean the case was solid and based on sloosh´s whole game, and there were still like 3 people voting MZ. That was actually me and his defense suggested otherwise, so I don´t think it was really a solid point at the end of the day. I don´t think he sold out his teammates. His "reads" should probably not even taken into consideration right now since he was almost certainly going to get lynched at that point. For now I´d still go with MZ. I read him as scum since the end of day 1. 3) agreeing Much of his entire filter was filled with him agreeing with almost every little thing everyone wrote. To me, he seems to be trying to avoid discussion about him through trying to post as effectively as possible. He certainly achieved this. But the play where he gave minimal reasons for sheeping sloosh lynch but yet suspect everyone on the MZ lynch, which he initially jumped out of, is very suspicious. | ||
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With this vote, I hold the power of the lynch. Give me a few minutes to consolidate all the posts. | ||
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Mderg's n2 self roleblock made sense as mafia On d2, both the goons died. There was a need for scum to present himself as the towniest person ever, and one way around it was to claim rb. As such, he can guarantee that amiko will never check him since he is a 'confirmed townie' now. Valid points raised on why mderg could be scum These points were surpressed by the fact that mderg is town because he was roleblocked. For example, the MZ sheeping. Also, by acknowledging that amiko was the main wagon starter, mderg could easily agree with everything that amiko says. This helps in letting mderg sheep his way through this game - until this critical junction. | ||
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On June 08 2014 17:22 mderg wrote: What exactly do you mean with MZ sheeping? I made my case on him at thee end of day 1 and he did almost nothing to defend himself. I wouldn´t call that sheeping. You mean that 2 paragraph worth of stating why MZ is scum, which does not apply after d1? That doesn't count, I already explained. Give me some time to get on my pc, it is horrible to attempt to format anything on phone. | ||
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On June 10 2014 10:48 Chromatically wrote: I think we're all having the wrong reaction to this. The right answer is that based town hero Haru was so certain that mderg was scum, that he actually refused to enter the thread so that his mind could not be poisoned by scum lies. This is partially right, I knew sqrt was going to sheep amiko and go for fuba, so there wasn't any chance for me to convince him that mderg played a great game of mafia. There were some points in fuba's last day messages that convinced me that he could not be mafia. I wanted to have the lynch decision because mderg would have it if I didn't voted him fast enough. Mderg had the power of making himself seem towny. Together with sqrt, I'm not sure if I could have continued voting for mderg if I read the thread. GG! Thanks for the first win lol | ||
HaruRH
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You played really well, mderg. Your key mistake was that you killed amiko over sqrt. Amiko have the ability to make everyone sheep a vote, which was supposed to be fuba. Amiko is also amazingly stubborn and will never switch to you. Anway, gg. | ||
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On June 10 2014 14:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Sorry for the shit play, gj new guys for carrying my ass to victory. Sorry for lynching you! But your final words and palmar's made me decide to kill mderg in the end lol. Both of you were like 'IM TOWN DONT LYNCH ME', which was what fuba was trying to say the whole time. Whereas mderg was like 'YOULL REGRET KILLING ME' which didn't felt as towny of a last post as you 3. Thanks and gg | ||
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If faced with the same situation, I'll post more | ||
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On June 10 2014 15:11 Amiko wrote: Eh that's not really fair Haru. I certainly doubt I would have ended up voting mderg - I felt like my line of thought was correct regarding the n2 roleblock,was correct (and it was, except it was changed with the host mistake). But like I said pre-death, if I wanted you to just sheep me on fuba, I would have asked you to. And whereas on other days my goal was to lynch specific people, if I'm alive in LYLO I'm willing to consider anything - my first game LYLO is a good example of that, I think. I don't really see why it's important that Haru and Sqrt vote on the same person in a 4-player LYLO, though. Fuba and mderg were going to crossvote for sure, and there's no guarantee either of the confirmed town is more right than the other. You can argue that makes it a 50% chance, but if they are picking between two players it's still a 50% chance, right? As an aside, Haru seemed a little confused ("Either me or sqrt needs to hold the absolute lynch now, it mustn't fall onto mderg or fuba.") - there was no way mderg or fuba could have controlled the lynch because they had to vote each other. Haru didn't take the lynch power away from them - he took it from sqrt. Anyway glad you were able to figure out who the last scum was Haru, good job and well played! I was lucky mderg voted after me - if he voted before me, fuba would be lynched instead and mderg would have the lynch power (sqrt wasn't going to change). Since mderg, fuba and sqrt weren't going to change votes, I was the only liquid vote around and thus it was important for me to have the lynch power. Yea, I may be wrong, but I would have guessed that you would support mderg over fuba. Just a hunch. | ||
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On June 10 2014 19:33 Chromatically wrote: haha Haru now I feel bad, I thought you were actually afk and you hadn't decided on who you were voting. If you did decide on mderg, then nice job :p I feel bad for mderg as I didn't explain why I voted for him. Idk if both fuba and mderg thought I was going to vote for fuba, but mderg was locked in my mind. If I wanted to lynch fuba instead, I would have. I didn't afk. Please dont misunderstand. | ||
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