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On May 28 2014 01:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 01:53 mderg wrote:On May 28 2014 01:49 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 01:45 mderg wrote:
Well, I don´t think his lie makes him scum. I honestly think scum would think more carefully about lying like that. I mean everyone who was on his scum team would have known he lied no matter what. So even if he didn´t know the scum team was made public, it would have been easy to see that he was lying. There's only one person in this game who was on his team, and that was amiko. But i dont see amiko being even remotely active in this game right now, so your point there is invalid. This game hasn´t even been going for a day. So amiko not being active in this doesn´t mean it has to stay that way. Oh yes, i know this, so i would love to hear what Amiko has to say when he does start commenting. But my point is how would his previous eating cheese and rice team call him out on it when one of them isnt even in this game, and the other isnt being active. So i called him out on it. I think it was a slip
It might be a slip but I think it´s more likely that it´s not a slip and just bad play.
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Seems straightforward.
##Vote: jabberwockzerg
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Mderg - who would you lynch over jabber?
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On May 28 2014 02:15 fuba wrote:
Mderg - who would you lynch over jabber?
Right now I´d go with you because I didn´t like how you changed your opinion on jabber but didn´t bother to explain the reason for that until you were asked.
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On May 28 2014 02:09 slOosh wrote:
Seems straightforward.
##Vote: jabberwockzerg
Hi there slOosh.
You are okay with this lynch.
Why?
And do you have anything else to comment?
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On May 27 2014 15:31 fuba wrote:
But the last game was Classroom, the game that got remade. And since jabber was scum in that game, he knew that Chrom wasn't. Which means that he knew chrom wasn't scum, but suggested that possibility anyway. While I can't give an exact reason for scum|jabber to lie, I don't see any reason for town|jabber to.
...Though now that I think of it, unless the scumteam is the exact three people it was last time, then jabber would be incredibly unlikely to intentionally lie about who was on it, since at least one scum from last game would be town this game and would point out that he's lying. So either this was just a mistake on his part or I'm misunderstanding some part of the interaction. Either way, I'm pretty sure I've talked myself out of this...
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On May 27 2014 21:37 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 21:07 Chromatically wrote:On May 27 2014 11:56 HaruRH wrote:On May 27 2014 11:54 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Delicately, must I awkwardly introduce all of my posts and then just get on with them I think that doing anything else other than leaving the subject as it is will make you an even likelier target for scrumm. Change the topic quickly I don't like this choice of words so soon after you voted him, though. This makes it seem like you know he is town. On May 27 2014 15:31 fuba wrote:
But the last game was Classroom, the game that got remade. And since jabber was scum in that game, he knew that Chrom wasn't. Which means that he knew chrom wasn't scum, but suggested that possibility anyway. While I can't give an exact reason for scum|jabber to lie, I don't see any reason for town|jabber to.
...Though now that I think of it, unless the scumteam is the exact three people it was last time, then jabber would be incredibly unlikely to intentionally lie about who was on it, since at least one scum from last game would be town this game and would point out that he's lying. So either this was just a mistake on his part or I'm misunderstanding some part of the interaction. Either way, I'm pretty sure I've talked myself out of this...
##Unvote I disagree with this because it doesn't make sense as either alignment. It's clearly a bad move for town, and also for scum because it serves no purpose other than to make yourself look suspicious. However, it's more likely to come from scum because scum has factors like nervousness, wanting to look good/push something, artificial reads, etc that would cause them to slip up and lie for no reason. I don't really see scum as more likely to post something like that so carelessly, particularly because I can see no reason to do so. It seems like too much oversight with no payoff.
On May 27 2014 21:42 fuba wrote:
Bleh, I'll do another read through the thread when I have time after class. The lynch just seems wrong to me :S
On May 28 2014 00:50 fuba wrote:
##Vote: jabberwockzerg
What changed?
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On May 28 2014 02:20 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 15:31 fuba wrote:
But the last game was Classroom, the game that got remade. And since jabber was scum in that game, he knew that Chrom wasn't. Which means that he knew chrom wasn't scum, but suggested that possibility anyway. While I can't give an exact reason for scum|jabber to lie, I don't see any reason for town|jabber to.
...Though now that I think of it, unless the scumteam is the exact three people it was last time, then jabber would be incredibly unlikely to intentionally lie about who was on it, since at least one scum from last game would be town this game and would point out that he's lying. So either this was just a mistake on his part or I'm misunderstanding some part of the interaction. Either way, I'm pretty sure I've talked myself out of this...
##Unvote Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 21:37 fuba wrote:On May 27 2014 21:07 Chromatically wrote:On May 27 2014 11:56 HaruRH wrote:On May 27 2014 11:54 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Delicately, must I awkwardly introduce all of my posts and then just get on with them I think that doing anything else other than leaving the subject as it is will make you an even likelier target for scrumm. Change the topic quickly I don't like this choice of words so soon after you voted him, though. This makes it seem like you know he is town. On May 27 2014 15:31 fuba wrote:
But the last game was Classroom, the game that got remade. And since jabber was scum in that game, he knew that Chrom wasn't. Which means that he knew chrom wasn't scum, but suggested that possibility anyway. While I can't give an exact reason for scum|jabber to lie, I don't see any reason for town|jabber to.
...Though now that I think of it, unless the scumteam is the exact three people it was last time, then jabber would be incredibly unlikely to intentionally lie about who was on it, since at least one scum from last game would be town this game and would point out that he's lying. So either this was just a mistake on his part or I'm misunderstanding some part of the interaction. Either way, I'm pretty sure I've talked myself out of this...
##Unvote I disagree with this because it doesn't make sense as either alignment. It's clearly a bad move for town, and also for scum because it serves no purpose other than to make yourself look suspicious. However, it's more likely to come from scum because scum has factors like nervousness, wanting to look good/push something, artificial reads, etc that would cause them to slip up and lie for no reason. I don't really see scum as more likely to post something like that so carelessly, particularly because I can see no reason to do so. It seems like too much oversight with no payoff. Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 21:42 fuba wrote:
Bleh, I'll do another read through the thread when I have time after class. The lynch just seems wrong to me :S What changed?
His defense.
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On May 28 2014 02:20 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 15:31 fuba wrote:
But the last game was Classroom, the game that got remade. And since jabber was scum in that game, he knew that Chrom wasn't. Which means that he knew chrom wasn't scum, but suggested that possibility anyway. While I can't give an exact reason for scum|jabber to lie, I don't see any reason for town|jabber to.
...Though now that I think of it, unless the scumteam is the exact three people it was last time, then jabber would be incredibly unlikely to intentionally lie about who was on it, since at least one scum from last game would be town this game and would point out that he's lying. So either this was just a mistake on his part or I'm misunderstanding some part of the interaction. Either way, I'm pretty sure I've talked myself out of this...
##Unvote Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 21:37 fuba wrote:On May 27 2014 21:07 Chromatically wrote:On May 27 2014 11:56 HaruRH wrote:On May 27 2014 11:54 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Delicately, must I awkwardly introduce all of my posts and then just get on with them I think that doing anything else other than leaving the subject as it is will make you an even likelier target for scrumm. Change the topic quickly I don't like this choice of words so soon after you voted him, though. This makes it seem like you know he is town. On May 27 2014 15:31 fuba wrote:
But the last game was Classroom, the game that got remade. And since jabber was scum in that game, he knew that Chrom wasn't. Which means that he knew chrom wasn't scum, but suggested that possibility anyway. While I can't give an exact reason for scum|jabber to lie, I don't see any reason for town|jabber to.
...Though now that I think of it, unless the scumteam is the exact three people it was last time, then jabber would be incredibly unlikely to intentionally lie about who was on it, since at least one scum from last game would be town this game and would point out that he's lying. So either this was just a mistake on his part or I'm misunderstanding some part of the interaction. Either way, I'm pretty sure I've talked myself out of this...
##Unvote I disagree with this because it doesn't make sense as either alignment. It's clearly a bad move for town, and also for scum because it serves no purpose other than to make yourself look suspicious. However, it's more likely to come from scum because scum has factors like nervousness, wanting to look good/push something, artificial reads, etc that would cause them to slip up and lie for no reason. I don't really see scum as more likely to post something like that so carelessly, particularly because I can see no reason to do so. It seems like too much oversight with no payoff. Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 21:42 fuba wrote:
Bleh, I'll do another read through the thread when I have time after class. The lynch just seems wrong to me :S What changed?
He actually answered that already. I don´t like that he didn´t give the reason for that without being asked.
On May 28 2014 01:33 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 01:24 mderg wrote:
I don´t like this lynch at all. I don´t see what he did as alignment indicative because it doesn´t really make sense as either town or scum. So why is it more likely to be done by scum than by town?
fuba: Weren´t you against this lynch? Why the vote on jabberwockzerg now? My position was that since it made no sense to lie as either alignment, I felt it was more likely a mistake. And I felt that this mistake was more likely to come from town rather than scum. His defense, however, is that he was actually hiding information and encouraging a possibility that he knew for a fact was incorrect. That makes it scummy.
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On May 28 2014 02:20 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 02:09 slOosh wrote:
Seems straightforward.
##Vote: jabberwockzerg Hi there slOosh. You are okay with this lynch. Why? And do you have anything else to comment?
On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town.
On May 27 2014 11:21 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Definitely leaving towards scum though
Calls Chrom scum, but also maybe town, for no reason. Very wishy washy, but interested in something of this Chrom lynch.
I think combined with other different aspects brought up thus far, this is a very solid D1 lynch.
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Though what i'd said before (about an intentional lie being caught by his scummates) had slipped my mind. The entire situation is a ball of confusion.
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On May 28 2014 02:00 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 01:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 01:53 mderg wrote:On May 28 2014 01:49 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 01:45 mderg wrote:
Well, I don´t think his lie makes him scum. I honestly think scum would think more carefully about lying like that. I mean everyone who was on his scum team would have known he lied no matter what. So even if he didn´t know the scum team was made public, it would have been easy to see that he was lying. There's only one person in this game who was on his team, and that was amiko. But i dont see amiko being even remotely active in this game right now, so your point there is invalid. This game hasn´t even been going for a day. So amiko not being active in this doesn´t mean it has to stay that way. Oh yes, i know this, so i would love to hear what Amiko has to say when he does start commenting. But my point is how would his previous eating cheese and rice team call him out on it when one of them isnt even in this game, and the other isnt being active. So i called him out on it. I think it was a slip It might be a slip but I think it´s more likely that it´s not a slip and just bad play.
Explain further. What about it makes it just a bad play?
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On May 28 2014 02:31 fuba wrote:
Though what i'd said before (about an intentional lie being caught by his scummates) had slipped my mind. The entire situation is a ball of confusion.
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On May 28 2014 02:33 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 02:00 mderg wrote:On May 28 2014 01:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 01:53 mderg wrote:On May 28 2014 01:49 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 01:45 mderg wrote:
Well, I don´t think his lie makes him scum. I honestly think scum would think more carefully about lying like that. I mean everyone who was on his scum team would have known he lied no matter what. So even if he didn´t know the scum team was made public, it would have been easy to see that he was lying. There's only one person in this game who was on his team, and that was amiko. But i dont see amiko being even remotely active in this game right now, so your point there is invalid. This game hasn´t even been going for a day. So amiko not being active in this doesn´t mean it has to stay that way. Oh yes, i know this, so i would love to hear what Amiko has to say when he does start commenting. But my point is how would his previous eating cheese and rice team call him out on it when one of them isnt even in this game, and the other isnt being active. So i called him out on it. I think it was a slip It might be a slip but I think it´s more likely that it´s not a slip and just bad play. Explain further. What about it makes it just a bad play?
Are you asking about why it´s bad play or why i think it´s not scummy but bad play?
I´l answer both
I don´t think that makes him scum because even considering that he missed the alignments of the last game being published it´s not unlikely to be figured out that he lied. Unless he is scum with amiko or somehow knows that amiko won´t notice it there is quite a huge risk of the lie being discovered.
Why it´s bad play should be obvious with the situation he´s in right now. It makes him suspicious which he doesn´t want as either alignment.
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It's in my filter, as well as something mderg mentioned recently...
His scummates from last game would know he was scum, regardless of whether or not the scumteam was revealed to all of us. Therefore, the lie would be caught for sure, unless the scumteam was exactly the same as last game, which I doubt XD
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Since I see so much null when I look at his actions, I look at the motivation. And the motivation is that he wanted to conceal information to protect himself. Which alignment does that look more like?
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On May 27 2014 17:41 Alakaslam wrote:
Meta is useless, and I will be proof within 16 hours.
Anything yet?
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On May 28 2014 02:09 slOosh wrote:
Seems straightforward.
##Vote: jabberwockzerg
##Vote: jabberwockzerg
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On May 28 2014 02:59 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 02:09 slOosh wrote:
Seems straightforward.
##Vote: jabberwockzerg ##Vote: jabberwockzerg
How is it straightforward for you when you dismissed the whole thing as meta?
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Jabberwockzerg's play is illogical to a clear extreme, mderg defends him so hard nonetheless, that to me this also screams scum. Mderg, if you are to defend jwz, I recommend being more specific in your refutation of the points laid against him.
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