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On May 28 2014 04:57 Amiko wrote:(still replying to bunnies)- Thoughts on bunnies' response to mderg@27ninjabunnies: Not a huge fan of your posts responding to mderg. Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 03:04 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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You are right. Unless amiko is with him, his play would be called out.
However, what was I supposed to do, let it slide and hope that amiko comments on it?
That's not something I would do. I think this doesn’t address the more important point – whether the comment from jabberwock indicates his alignment. Mderg is saying that there’s a fair chance jabberwock’s comment would get caught, so mafia-jabberwock wouldn’t make the comment. MDerg isn’t raising this in suspicion of you – it’s pretty immaterial whether you commented on it or not. The point he’s raising (which I think is fine, see prior post) is that he feels it is more likely to be a misplay or misstatement, rather than a scumslip. I think your subsequent posts do not respond to that point, so I don’t really like your responses. I guess I’ll mention I dislike a few of your other posts- Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 01:54 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I mean, i think my case is pretty solid. And there are a lot of people who agree (en again not everyone is here and commenting).
I'm quite nervous this might be a mislynch. This is sort of doubletalk. To be clear, I am not really considering as a lynch possibility, however I figured this was a good time to note that post. Thoughts on Fuba's uncertainty and defense of uncertainty on jabber?I like fuba so far. I always feel a little warm about someone who posts something I was writing just before I post it, and fuba did that earlier so that gave me initially good feelings on him. Uncertainty makes sense. I think people can feel jabber is scum or town, so uncertainty feels reasonable. I don’t find his vote without explanation to be that meaningful. I feel like this is all stuff that we can reassess if jabber is lynched, but otherwise we need to get fuba to talk about some other points as well. ------------------------- @fuba: What are your thoughts on other players’ approaches to the jabberwock case? Specifically, I’d like your thoughts on me / mderg / bunnies – comment on one or all, as you like.
So with the first post, i wasn't defending myself. I don't have the need to. Yes there would be a chance that his comment got caught, but if amiko is with him, he wouldn't point it out. My thing on here was, the way he worded it made it seem like he was saying I didn't need to point this out, because amiko would.
I was stating I wasn't going to wait on someone else to point it out if I caught it and could point it out myself.
Also, with the second post you talk about, Im not sure how that is doubletalk. I explain in this post, and in a later post, that while I think I have a pretty solid case on jabber, i'm a bit skeptic that there are so many people jumping on this wagon, which makes me think it could be a mislynch.
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I liked fuba cuz he was uncertain of jwz lynch.
On May 27 2014 21:37 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 21:07 Chromatically wrote:On May 27 2014 11:56 HaruRH wrote:On May 27 2014 11:54 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Delicately, must I awkwardly introduce all of my posts and then just get on with them I think that doing anything else other than leaving the subject as it is will make you an even likelier target for scrumm. Change the topic quickly I don't like this choice of words so soon after you voted him, though. This makes it seem like you know he is town. On May 27 2014 15:31 fuba wrote:
But the last game was Classroom, the game that got remade. And since jabber was scum in that game, he knew that Chrom wasn't. Which means that he knew chrom wasn't scum, but suggested that possibility anyway. While I can't give an exact reason for scum|jabber to lie, I don't see any reason for town|jabber to.
...Though now that I think of it, unless the scumteam is the exact three people it was last time, then jabber would be incredibly unlikely to intentionally lie about who was on it, since at least one scum from last game would be town this game and would point out that he's lying. So either this was just a mistake on his part or I'm misunderstanding some part of the interaction. Either way, I'm pretty sure I've talked myself out of this...
##Unvote I disagree with this because it doesn't make sense as either alignment. It's clearly a bad move for town, and also for scum because it serves no purpose other than to make yourself look suspicious. However, it's more likely to come from scum because scum has factors like nervousness, wanting to look good/push something, artificial reads, etc that would cause them to slip up and lie for no reason. I don't really see scum as more likely to post something like that so carelessly, particularly because I can see no reason to do so. It seems like too much oversight with no payoff.
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On May 28 2014 05:23 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 05:15 Amiko wrote:On May 28 2014 05:11 Chromatically wrote:On May 28 2014 04:00 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Assume jwz is town. Why would he push a case on chromatically that makes no sense? He knows that chrom wasn't mafia.
His case is invalid. I think this is scummy given that sqrt had access to this information all the time (he was in the thread when jabber "slipped"). Here was his reaction at that time: On May 27 2014 11:22 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town. Nope. Last game, you, amiko, and epi was mafia. Zat counter point is invalid. Doesn't call him scum for it at all. Even later, he only once calls him scum, but just for being thrown off his alphabet game. Now, however, when the jabber lynch has a lot of traction, he jumps on without any reasoning for changing his mind. There are plenty of additional points against jabber concerning his reaction, but that's not the justification sqrt gave. sqrt's explanation for his vote is inconsistent with how he originally reacted to jabber's post. Could you clarify - are you suggesting that (1) sqrt changed his mind from town to scum? or (2) that sqrt changed his mind from neutral to scum? Please also clarify if you feel sqrt would be a good lynch alternative to jabberwockzerg My point was that sqrt previously did not have a scumread from that post, and now he wants to lynch jabber for that post with no additional justification, meaning that he's fabricating his read (I guess this is option 2). But, it is possible that he just reread it and changed his mind, as he says. This was just one sqrt post I had a problem with, still want to lynch jabber by a long shot. sqrt, is that jabber post the main reason why you are voting him? Like that's the best piece of evidence in your opinion?
The fact that his post here:
On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town.
Doesn't make any sense from a town perspective.
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On May 28 2014 05:23 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 05:15 Amiko wrote:On May 28 2014 05:11 Chromatically wrote:On May 28 2014 04:00 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Assume jwz is town. Why would he push a case on chromatically that makes no sense? He knows that chrom wasn't mafia.
His case is invalid. I think this is scummy given that sqrt had access to this information all the time (he was in the thread when jabber "slipped"). Here was his reaction at that time: On May 27 2014 11:22 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town. Nope. Last game, you, amiko, and epi was mafia. Zat counter point is invalid. Doesn't call him scum for it at all. Even later, he only once calls him scum, but just for being thrown off his alphabet game. Now, however, when the jabber lynch has a lot of traction, he jumps on without any reasoning for changing his mind. There are plenty of additional points against jabber concerning his reaction, but that's not the justification sqrt gave. sqrt's explanation for his vote is inconsistent with how he originally reacted to jabber's post. Could you clarify - are you suggesting that (1) sqrt changed his mind from town to scum? or (2) that sqrt changed his mind from neutral to scum? Please also clarify if you feel sqrt would be a good lynch alternative to jabberwockzerg My point was that sqrt previously did not have a scumread from that post, and now he wants to lynch jabber for that post with no additional justification, meaning that he's fabricating his read (I guess this is option 2). But, it is possible that he just reread it and changed his mind, as he says. This was just one sqrt post I had a problem with, still want to lynch jabber by a long shot. sqrt, is that jabber post the main reason why you are voting him? Like that's the best piece of evidence in your opinion?
So the thing about sqrt, is he does this a lot in the games I have played with him, which he has been town in all of them.
He'll vote on someone with very little justification, and will only give his read on a person when asked for it. I found it super scummy within the first games, but now ive kinda just gone with it.
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On May 28 2014 05:07 Amiko wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 04:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I would personally really like to hear more from harurh.
And fuba This is your second post. I would like to hear more from you. What do you think about the argument that jabberwock's comment would not come from scum or mafia? I think jwz is most likely just a noob scum who slipped, his comment make most sense from a mafia point of view. In your first post it seems like you suspect players who are defensive of jabberwock, and you mention fuba and haru. I find fuba and haru to be suspicious because of the manner they defend jwz, they don't come out strongly against the case but are instead content to make vague statements of disagreement while not doing anything to rock the boat. What are your thoughts on mderg? Alakazam says that mderg's points on jabberwock were not specific (see http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=13#247). Do you agree or disagree? I disagree with slam, I think mderg has been jwz's best defender thus far and I like him for it because he's had the balls to stand by his opinion unlike fuba and haru. I think mderg is wrong but the way he presents his arguments comes off town to me.
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On May 28 2014 05:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 05:07 Amiko wrote:On May 28 2014 04:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I would personally really like to hear more from harurh.
And fuba This is your second post. I would like to hear more from you. What do you think about the argument that jabberwock's comment would not come from scum or mafia? In your first post it seems like you suspect players who are defensive of jabberwock, and you mention fuba and haru. What are your thoughts on mderg? Alakazam says that mderg's points on jabberwock were not specific (see http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=13#247). Do you agree or disagree?
EBWOP:
I think jwz is most likely just a noob scum who slipped, his comment make most sense from a mafia point of view.
I find fuba and haru to be suspicious because of the manner they defend jwz, they don't come out strongly against the case but are instead content to make vague statements of disagreement while not doing anything to rock the boat.
I disagree with slam, I think mderg has been jwz's best defender thus far and I like him for it because he's had the balls to stand by his opinion unlike fuba and haru. I think mderg is wrong but the way he presents his arguments comes off town to me.
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You know what, I'm abandoning my letter z thingy. I need to focus.
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On May 28 2014 05:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 05:23 Chromatically wrote:On May 28 2014 05:15 Amiko wrote:On May 28 2014 05:11 Chromatically wrote:On May 28 2014 04:00 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Assume jwz is town. Why would he push a case on chromatically that makes no sense? He knows that chrom wasn't mafia.
His case is invalid. I think this is scummy given that sqrt had access to this information all the time (he was in the thread when jabber "slipped"). Here was his reaction at that time: On May 27 2014 11:22 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town. Nope. Last game, you, amiko, and epi was mafia. Zat counter point is invalid. Doesn't call him scum for it at all. Even later, he only once calls him scum, but just for being thrown off his alphabet game. Now, however, when the jabber lynch has a lot of traction, he jumps on without any reasoning for changing his mind. There are plenty of additional points against jabber concerning his reaction, but that's not the justification sqrt gave. sqrt's explanation for his vote is inconsistent with how he originally reacted to jabber's post. Could you clarify - are you suggesting that (1) sqrt changed his mind from town to scum? or (2) that sqrt changed his mind from neutral to scum? Please also clarify if you feel sqrt would be a good lynch alternative to jabberwockzerg My point was that sqrt previously did not have a scumread from that post, and now he wants to lynch jabber for that post with no additional justification, meaning that he's fabricating his read (I guess this is option 2). But, it is possible that he just reread it and changed his mind, as he says. This was just one sqrt post I had a problem with, still want to lynch jabber by a long shot. sqrt, is that jabber post the main reason why you are voting him? Like that's the best piece of evidence in your opinion? The fact that his post here: Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town. Doesn't make any sense from a town perspective.
You think that's stronger than his explanations (or his failure to explain it)? I think that that his slip is a far weaker point against him than the way he explained it.
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I think that his slip is the strongest point against him so far.
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On May 28 2014 05:27 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 05:23 Chromatically wrote:On May 28 2014 05:15 Amiko wrote:On May 28 2014 05:11 Chromatically wrote:On May 28 2014 04:00 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Assume jwz is town. Why would he push a case on chromatically that makes no sense? He knows that chrom wasn't mafia.
His case is invalid. I think this is scummy given that sqrt had access to this information all the time (he was in the thread when jabber "slipped"). Here was his reaction at that time: On May 27 2014 11:22 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town. Nope. Last game, you, amiko, and epi was mafia. Zat counter point is invalid. Doesn't call him scum for it at all. Even later, he only once calls him scum, but just for being thrown off his alphabet game. Now, however, when the jabber lynch has a lot of traction, he jumps on without any reasoning for changing his mind. There are plenty of additional points against jabber concerning his reaction, but that's not the justification sqrt gave. sqrt's explanation for his vote is inconsistent with how he originally reacted to jabber's post. Could you clarify - are you suggesting that (1) sqrt changed his mind from town to scum? or (2) that sqrt changed his mind from neutral to scum? Please also clarify if you feel sqrt would be a good lynch alternative to jabberwockzerg My point was that sqrt previously did not have a scumread from that post, and now he wants to lynch jabber for that post with no additional justification, meaning that he's fabricating his read (I guess this is option 2). But, it is possible that he just reread it and changed his mind, as he says. This was just one sqrt post I had a problem with, still want to lynch jabber by a long shot. sqrt, is that jabber post the main reason why you are voting him? Like that's the best piece of evidence in your opinion? So the thing about sqrt, is he does this a lot in the games I have played with him, which he has been town in all of them. He'll vote on someone with very little justification, and will only give his read on a person when asked for it. I found it super scummy within the first games, but now ive kinda just gone with it.
I thought you were against using meta...
I'm not pushing him for a lack of explanation anyway, it's that his justification wasn't consistent with earlier. Do you think he's town?
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On May 28 2014 05:40 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 05:27 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 05:23 Chromatically wrote:On May 28 2014 05:15 Amiko wrote:On May 28 2014 05:11 Chromatically wrote:On May 28 2014 04:00 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Assume jwz is town. Why would he push a case on chromatically that makes no sense? He knows that chrom wasn't mafia.
His case is invalid. I think this is scummy given that sqrt had access to this information all the time (he was in the thread when jabber "slipped"). Here was his reaction at that time: On May 27 2014 11:22 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town. Nope. Last game, you, amiko, and epi was mafia. Zat counter point is invalid. Doesn't call him scum for it at all. Even later, he only once calls him scum, but just for being thrown off his alphabet game. Now, however, when the jabber lynch has a lot of traction, he jumps on without any reasoning for changing his mind. There are plenty of additional points against jabber concerning his reaction, but that's not the justification sqrt gave. sqrt's explanation for his vote is inconsistent with how he originally reacted to jabber's post. Could you clarify - are you suggesting that (1) sqrt changed his mind from town to scum? or (2) that sqrt changed his mind from neutral to scum? Please also clarify if you feel sqrt would be a good lynch alternative to jabberwockzerg My point was that sqrt previously did not have a scumread from that post, and now he wants to lynch jabber for that post with no additional justification, meaning that he's fabricating his read (I guess this is option 2). But, it is possible that he just reread it and changed his mind, as he says. This was just one sqrt post I had a problem with, still want to lynch jabber by a long shot. sqrt, is that jabber post the main reason why you are voting him? Like that's the best piece of evidence in your opinion? So the thing about sqrt, is he does this a lot in the games I have played with him, which he has been town in all of them. He'll vote on someone with very little justification, and will only give his read on a person when asked for it. I found it super scummy within the first games, but now ive kinda just gone with it. I thought you were against using meta... I'm not pushing him for a lack of explanation anyway, it's that his justification wasn't consistent with earlier. Do you think he's town?
Im not against meta. When have I said I was against meta?
I notice things in games Ive played with people, but I don't necessarily agree with the things I notice.
Sqrt hasn't done anything to make me think he's not town.
Im not sure what you mean about his justification not being consistent, do you mind pointing this out?
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Well, i commented on the fact I wasn't going to read your meta, but that was your own meta you use for yourself. Anyone can lie about that, or even change their meta.
What im basing my read on sqrt is from how he plays and has played, not on his own meta of himself.
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On May 28 2014 05:53 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 05:40 Chromatically wrote:On May 28 2014 05:27 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 05:23 Chromatically wrote:On May 28 2014 05:15 Amiko wrote:On May 28 2014 05:11 Chromatically wrote:On May 28 2014 04:00 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Assume jwz is town. Why would he push a case on chromatically that makes no sense? He knows that chrom wasn't mafia.
His case is invalid. I think this is scummy given that sqrt had access to this information all the time (he was in the thread when jabber "slipped"). Here was his reaction at that time: On May 27 2014 11:22 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town. Nope. Last game, you, amiko, and epi was mafia. Zat counter point is invalid. Doesn't call him scum for it at all. Even later, he only once calls him scum, but just for being thrown off his alphabet game. Now, however, when the jabber lynch has a lot of traction, he jumps on without any reasoning for changing his mind. There are plenty of additional points against jabber concerning his reaction, but that's not the justification sqrt gave. sqrt's explanation for his vote is inconsistent with how he originally reacted to jabber's post. Could you clarify - are you suggesting that (1) sqrt changed his mind from town to scum? or (2) that sqrt changed his mind from neutral to scum? Please also clarify if you feel sqrt would be a good lynch alternative to jabberwockzerg My point was that sqrt previously did not have a scumread from that post, and now he wants to lynch jabber for that post with no additional justification, meaning that he's fabricating his read (I guess this is option 2). But, it is possible that he just reread it and changed his mind, as he says. This was just one sqrt post I had a problem with, still want to lynch jabber by a long shot. sqrt, is that jabber post the main reason why you are voting him? Like that's the best piece of evidence in your opinion? So the thing about sqrt, is he does this a lot in the games I have played with him, which he has been town in all of them. He'll vote on someone with very little justification, and will only give his read on a person when asked for it. I found it super scummy within the first games, but now ive kinda just gone with it. I thought you were against using meta... I'm not pushing him for a lack of explanation anyway, it's that his justification wasn't consistent with earlier. Do you think he's town? Im not against meta. When have I said I was against meta? I notice things in games Ive played with people, but I don't necessarily agree with the things I notice. Sqrt hasn't done anything to make me think he's not town. Im not sure what you mean about his justification not being consistent, do you mind pointing this out?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450802-classroom-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?page=7#122
The meta thing doesn't really matter, but it doesn't really make sense that you would look at some players' meta and not others to me. That's a playstyle disagreement though, not an alignment-based one so whatever.
On May 28 2014 05:11 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 04:00 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Assume jwz is town. Why would he push a case on chromatically that makes no sense? He knows that chrom wasn't mafia.
His case is invalid. I think this is scummy given that sqrt had access to this information all the time (he was in the thread when jabber "slipped"). Here was his reaction at that time: Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 11:22 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town. Nope. Last game, you, amiko, and epi was mafia. Zat counter point is invalid. Doesn't call him scum for it at all. Even later, he only once calls him scum, but just for being thrown off his alphabet game. Now, however, when the jabber lynch has a lot of traction, he jumps on without any reasoning for changing his mind. There are plenty of additional points against jabber concerning his reaction, but that's not the justification sqrt gave. sqrt's explanation for his vote is inconsistent with how he originally reacted to jabber's post.
On May 28 2014 05:23 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 05:15 Amiko wrote:On May 28 2014 05:11 Chromatically wrote:On May 28 2014 04:00 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Assume jwz is town. Why would he push a case on chromatically that makes no sense? He knows that chrom wasn't mafia.
His case is invalid. I think this is scummy given that sqrt had access to this information all the time (he was in the thread when jabber "slipped"). Here was his reaction at that time: On May 27 2014 11:22 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town. Nope. Last game, you, amiko, and epi was mafia. Zat counter point is invalid. Doesn't call him scum for it at all. Even later, he only once calls him scum, but just for being thrown off his alphabet game. Now, however, when the jabber lynch has a lot of traction, he jumps on without any reasoning for changing his mind. There are plenty of additional points against jabber concerning his reaction, but that's not the justification sqrt gave. sqrt's explanation for his vote is inconsistent with how he originally reacted to jabber's post. Could you clarify - are you suggesting that (1) sqrt changed his mind from town to scum? or (2) that sqrt changed his mind from neutral to scum? Please also clarify if you feel sqrt would be a good lynch alternative to jabberwockzerg My point was that sqrt previously did not have a scumread from that post, and now he wants to lynch jabber for that post with no additional justification, meaning that he's fabricating his read (I guess this is option 2). But, it is possible that he just reread it and changed his mind, as he says. This was just one sqrt post I had a problem with, still want to lynch jabber by a long shot. sqrt, is that jabber post the main reason why you are voting him? Like that's the best piece of evidence in your opinion?
The inconsistent thing is what I have been posting about this whole time.
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On May 28 2014 03:32 Amiko wrote:
@mderg:
I can understand you having some hesitation on the initial jabberwockzerg points, though I think it's not a bad argument. What do you think of jabberwock's followup post(s)?
For fuba, I understand that you didn't like that he voted for jabber without an explanation. I agree that we needed to press him for a reason, but do you feel like him voting without an explanation was scummy?
I take it you do from this post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=12#224), but I'd have to disagree, I feel that players give reads/votes without explanation as either town or scum. Could you explain your thoughts on this a little more and if your feelings on fuba come from anywhere else?
I don´t think his followup posts were as scummy as most people here make it sound.
On May 27 2014 11:50 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 11:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town. So let me spell it out. It has to do with this post here. You were a squirrel eating nuts last game, were you not? Yet here, you say he could have been super into the last game because he was also sniffing the maple. Yet, he wasnt. You were. And you didnt know that that knowledge was made public to us. So either you are defending Chrom/slightly bussing here because he is your partner in crime, or you are again down among the badgers as you said chrom was leading more towards being a grim reaper in a town full of sickness, and you want to get him lynched. Clearing this up, I didn't mean mafia specifically, just non vanilla. Was this bad wording? Yes. Stupid of me? Yes. Learning experience, definitely
this post seems honest to me. I don´t think anyone would make this defense, if it wasn´t actually the truth. It´s just too far of from anything I would have expected as defense.
On May 28 2014 01:14 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 20:59 Chromatically wrote:Also, read this whole page again: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=5bunnies starts by (presumably) joking about me being scum, not a serious push as evidenced by not voting. On May 27 2014 11:19 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Both of you make a fair point, but I agree with bunnies.
If he's lurking (he probably is) he'll be quick to post something, which we can further use as more information comes to light This is jabber's passive-agressive response. "he probably is" heavily implies that jabber has a strong scumread on me, which clearly doesn't make sense given that I've made one completely non-alignment indicative post. From a scum perspective, it makes sense for jabber to try to go with the flow of the thread and throw suspicion on me, but accidentally take it too far. On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town. On May 27 2014 11:21 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Definitely leaving towards scum though Again, here he makes it seem as if he strongly thinks I'm scum, which just doesn't make sense unless he has a preset idea of what he wants to push my alignment as. Lovely. I was trying to get the game moving along, I was pretty pumped to start interrogating and scum reading, which isn't how I acted last game, when I was scum. Lying about who was scum last game, I was trying to conceal information. I didn't realize that last game's roles were known, it would be beneficial for me if no one knew I was Mafia, just because there would be no real patterns of my play, and I could remain a wild card, which I thought could help me later.
this is the post most people seem to see as the strongest scumtell.
I don´t agree with his reasoning for withholding information but being wrong doesn´t make you scum. Although I agree that this post looks kinda bad it´s not like townies never make strange plays like this.
Overall it´s just strange how almost everyone jumps on the wagon. IMO most lynches like this end up being wrong.
I´d like to see a bit more from jabber. If he gives some more reads and defends himself a bit more, it might be clearer whether this was just a misstep or actually a scumslip. Right now I´m not convinced that it´s a scumslip, though.
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I really need some sleep now.
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mderg did you not read what I posted? His explanations contradict each other. The two posts you quoted contradict each other (how could he be purposefully concealing the scumteam from last game if he didn't actually mean to say I could have been mafia in the first place). Do you disagree with this?
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No, I'm just saying that I believe the strongest point against him is the slip.
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On May 28 2014 06:33 mderg wrote:
Overall it´s just strange how almost everyone jumps on the wagon. IMO most lynches like this end up being wrong.
Actually, yes, this is true.
According to my previous experiences (cruisette mislynch in liii, cav mislynch in liv, sweetfrost mislynch and yellow suspection in lv), most lynches like this end up being wrong.
My second scum choice is palmar.
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Actually, now that I think of it, it would yield more information to kill off jwz.
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##Vote: jabberwockzerg
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EPT
