EPTWhy do you not want to lynch who you think is scum?
Is this the entirety of your case against Palmar here?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=14#278
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
Why do you not want to lynch who you think is scum? Is this the entirety of your case against Palmar here? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=14#278 | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
On May 28 2014 06:55 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Actually, yes, this is true. According to my previous experiences (cruisette mislynch in liii, cav mislynch in liv, sweetfrost mislynch and yellow suspection in lv), most lynches like this end up being wrong. My second scum choice is palmar. ##Unvote ##Vote: Palmar Sqrt, this post is even weird for you. And then you change it back to jabber? What are you reasonings? Im not following. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6789 Posts
On May 28 2014 06:57 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Actually, now that I think of it, it would yield more information to kill off jwz. ##Unvote ##Vote: jabberwockzerg *sigh* I hate when people say this. Dude, always vote for who you think is scummiest. Lynching for information comes off as a scum setting up their justification for when the lynched person flips green. If you don't want him dead because you think he's scum then you shouldn't be voting for him. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On May 28 2014 07:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: *sigh* I hate when people say this. Dude, always vote for who you think is scummiest. Lynching for information comes off as a scum setting up their justification for when the lynched person flips green. If you don't want him dead because you think he's scum then you shouldn't be voting for him. Well enough said that I won't mention that. Regarding mderg's defense, I will read his filter. I may have missed a crucial post or more. | ||
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1159 Posts
(cruisette mislynch in liii, cav mislynch in liv, sweetfrost mislynch and yellow suspection in lv, OdinofPergo in golden sun) Jwz is my top scum read so far. I was considering pushing a palmar lynch because he's my second scum read, and huge bandwagons always seem to be wrong. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6789 Posts
On May 28 2014 07:42 sqrtofneg1 wrote: My point is this: Huge bandwagons always seem to be town bandwagons. (cruisette mislynch in liii, cav mislynch in liv, sweetfrost mislynch and yellow suspection in lv, OdinofPergo in golden sun) Jwz is my top scum read so far. I was considering pushing a palmar lynch because he's my second scum read, and huge bandwagons always seem to be wrong. I could see myself convinced of a Palmar lynch, however let's not get too far ahead our ourselves. imo jwz is still the best choice and his lack of serious defense is only solidifying that. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On May 28 2014 01:24 mderg wrote: I don´t like this lynch at all. I don´t see what he did as alignment indicative fuba: Weren´t you against this lynch? Why the vote on jabberwockzerg now? Says nothing regarding the case, just a general appeal to consistency aimed at fuba. On May 28 2014 01:45 mderg wrote: Well, I don´t think his lie makes him scum. I honestly think scum would think more carefully about lying like that. This is WIFOM, I have behaved relying on this sentiment as scum I mean everyone who was on his scum team would have known he lied no matter what. And could have been either equally unaware or simply unaware of his intent and therefore too late once he did lie. So even if he didn´t know the scum team was made public, it would have been easy to see that he was lying. Scumteam wants lies in the thread On May 28 2014 02:19 mderg wrote: Right now I´d go with you because I didn´t like how you changed your opinion on jabber but didn´t bother to explain the reason for that until you were asked. This looks fabricated by the way- scrape the bottom of the barrel for cases to have alternate to your defense and you risk splinters. On May 28 2014 02:42 mderg wrote: Are you asking about why it´s bad play or why i think it´s not scummy but bad play? I´l answer both I don´t think that makes him scum because even considering that he missed the alignments of the last game being published it´s not unlikely to be figured out that he lied. Based on what? If it was truly unknown who the scumteam is, what makes you think we're so badass that we would uncover him? BH is hosting, not playing, this game. Unless he is scum with amiko or somehow knows that amiko won´t notice it there is quite a huge risk of the lie being discovered. This is the strongest point in favor of JWZ and it still falls to this WIFOM: amiko actually beig scum with him and bussing, JWZ simply not accounting for that and assuming Host rerolled the same scumteam for the WIFOMZ, even setting up his own bus- I did that too one game. WIFOM is deep Why it´s bad play should be obvious with the situation he´s in right now. It makes him suspicious which he doesn´t want as either alignment. On May 28 2014 06:33 mderg wrote: I don´t think his followup posts were as scummy as most people here make it sound. this post seems honest to me. I don´t think anyone would make this defense, if it wasn´t actually the truth. It´s just too far of from anything I would have expected as defense. this is the post most people seem to see as the strongest scumtell. I don´t agree with his reasoning for withholding information but being wrong doesn´t make you scum. Although I agree that this post looks kinda bad it´s not like townies never make strange plays like this. Overall it´s just strange how almost everyone jumps on the wagon. IMO most lynches like this end up being wrong. I´d like to see a bit more from jabber. If he gives some more reads and defends himself a bit more, it might be clearer whether this was just a misstep or actually a scumslip. Right now I´m not convinced that it´s a scumslip, though. And M_Z is right, this is an excellent, excellent point on why JWZ could be town and therefore, JWZ flip in no way implicates Mderg. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
Come on at least make an effort... ##Vote: jabberwockzerg | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
##Vote: jabberwockzerg | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
On May 28 2014 08:11 gobbledydook wrote: Well, did jabber just basically admit guilt? Come on at least make an effort... ##Vote: jabberwockzerg Where did he admit guilt?! | ||
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1159 Posts
Amiko's not as active as he usually is. Yes, he's making big posts and big cases. Yes, he has been the most substantial player so far, in terms of post content. But he's not as active. Other games, he's always around, asking people questions and the like. This game, not so much. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On May 28 2014 06:57 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Actually, now that I think of it, it would yield more information to kill off jwz. ##Unvote ##Vote: jabberwockzerg Never lynch for information. Lynch your top scumread. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
On a phone, so can't really quote, but the part where he says he got caught under a stone. It seems like someone just giving up trying to defend themselves and saying fuck this you got me. | ||
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1159 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On May 28 2014 07:42 sqrtofneg1 wrote: My point is this: Huge bandwagons always seem to be town bandwagons. (cruisette mislynch in liii, cav mislynch in liv, sweetfrost mislynch and yellow suspection in lv, OdinofPergo in golden sun) Jwz is my top scum read so far. I was considering pushing a palmar lynch because he's my second scum read, and huge bandwagons always seem to be wrong. While this is certainly a possibility, it doesn't have to be true. If he is mafia he has two allies in town, and it may well be that the team immediately saw what he did as a scumslip with additional knowledge of it being one, and thus immediately distance themselves from the lynch. A bandwagon that forms with unclear or weak reasons and grows quickly is suspicious. It's very clear why this bandwagon is forming. There is plenty of evidence for any townie to just sheep this wagon. So I would ask you not to use associative evidence to discredit the wagon. | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
On May 28 2014 05:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: EBWOP: I think jwz is most likely just a noob scum who slipped, his comment make most sense from a mafia point of view. I find fuba and haru to be suspicious because of the manner they defend jwz, they don't come out strongly against the case but are instead content to make vague statements of disagreement while not doing anything to rock the boat. I disagree with slam, I think mderg has been jwz's best defender thus far and I like him for it because he's had the balls to stand by his opinion unlike fuba and haru. I think mderg is wrong but the way he presents his arguments comes off town to me. He smelt like a case of townie having a bad play in the beginning, thus I attributed it to newbie mistakes and tried to help him - a bit. However, his replies were beyond bad, they were scummy or just a very bad town play. No need to hesitate on the decision now. Although I agree that most day 1 lynches will be a flop, but this is the strongest scum case now and most likely to be correct. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6789 Posts
On May 28 2014 08:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote: You know what else I don't like? Amiko's not as active as he usually is. Yes, he's making big posts and big cases. Yes, he has been the most substantial player so far, in terms of post content. But he's not as active. Other games, he's always around, asking people questions and the like. This game, not so much. You've thrown around a lot of suspicions this game. Instead of making a vague statement like this, interpret what it means. If you leave it vague like this, it makes it seem like you're just trying to throw dirt on him without actually having to take a stand. Instead tell us why this is a problem, maybe provide some examples if you're gonna cite his meta. | ||
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1159 Posts
I just think that's a bit unusual. I have my eye on him. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
Welcome to my scum tier. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On May 28 2014 08:45 Palmar wrote: MZ not everyone in the game is mafia. fuba and haru look bad, jwz is your most likely scumread and you could get behind a lynch on me, and now you're telling sqrtofneg1 that he might be mafia, while in the same breath explaining to him how he can get you to drop your "suspicion". Welcome to my scum tier. I agree. | ||
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