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gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
May 27 2014 06:12 GMT
#161
Hm, bunnies' case against jabberwockzerg is interesting, but I'm not sure that logic necessarily stands. Specifically, bunnies discounts the possibility that jabber really didn't know who was mafia in the game he looked at and was just plain guessing, not knowing that everyone else knows the answer already. So I would be hesitant to read too deeply into that one lead.
Also bunnies, no coaching discussion t.t

So that's my take on the current lynch flavour of the day, conclusion, I don't think that's good enough to lynch. Would want to hear more from him.

I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 27 2014 06:31 GMT
#162
But the last game was Classroom, the game that got remade. And since jabber was scum in that game, he knew that Chrom wasn't. Which means that he knew chrom wasn't scum, but suggested that possibility anyway. While I can't give an exact reason for scum|jabber to lie, I don't see any reason for town|jabber to.

...Though now that I think of it, unless the scumteam is the exact three people it was last time, then jabber would be incredibly unlikely to intentionally lie about who was on it, since at least one scum from last game would be town this game and would point out that he's lying. So either this was just a mistake on his part or I'm misunderstanding some part of the interaction. Either way, I'm pretty sure I've talked myself out of this...

##Unvote
@theRealMkfuba07
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
May 27 2014 06:33 GMT
#163
@slOosh re: Alakaslam style of posting
Slam’s posting is usually fun, but occasionally frustrating since it’s not always clear what he means, so it can be hard to draw a read from that. I don’t think it is inherently bad

On Jabberwockzerg
I felt jabber’s first post was a bit odd because he copied his post from the prior game (where he was scum) and I feel like he might have a different opening if he was town.
I also think bunnies may be onto something, but I’m not sure if her post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=6#106) realizes the more damning point or not (it’s sorta weirdly written) so I’ll write it just in case. To me, what is suspicious about jabber’s post is that he suggested a player was mafia last game, but he knew that the player was not mafia last game. In other words, he offered a scenario as a counterpoint that he knew to be false.
It’d be fine if he said he was just raising the point as a possibility, but his answer (that he didn’t know it was public information) doesn’t look so hot. I’m not convinced on him yet, but I want to pursue this.

@Jabberwockzerg: 27ninjabunnies has raised a point regarding your play that she argues shows you are mafia. You also posted that she was doing a lot of finger pointing on day one.
Do you think her point on you is good?
Do you feel that her raising that point makes her more likely to be town or mafia?

@fuba and @HaruRH: You joined the vote on jabberwockzerg. I understand that you agree with bunnies’ point on him – what do you think of jabberwockzerg’s responses after bunnies’ vote? Do they feel more town or scum to you?

aside
@HaruRH: This is not game-oriented, but I really like the “God Knows” song from Haruhi and love to sing it in karaoke :D
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
May 27 2014 06:38 GMT
#164
@fuba: I like that you wrote the same point I put in bold above and think you raise a fair point re: jabberwock getting called out by other scum players which I had not thought of. Good stuff. If you have any thoughts on jabberwock's responses I'd appreciate it, but I'm headed to bed so won't look at them until tomorrow anyway.
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
May 27 2014 06:51 GMT
#165
On May 27 2014 15:33 Amiko wrote:
@slOosh re: Alakaslam style of posting
Slam’s posting is usually fun, but occasionally frustrating since it’s not always clear what he means, so it can be hard to draw a read from that. I don’t think it is inherently bad

On Jabberwockzerg
I felt jabber’s first post was a bit odd because he copied his post from the prior game (where he was scum) and I feel like he might have a different opening if he was town.
I also think bunnies may be onto something, but I’m not sure if her post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=6#106) realizes the more damning point or not (it’s sorta weirdly written) so I’ll write it just in case. To me, what is suspicious about jabber’s post is that he suggested a player was mafia last game, but he knew that the player was not mafia last game. In other words, he offered a scenario as a counterpoint that he knew to be false.
It’d be fine if he said he was just raising the point as a possibility, but his answer (that he didn’t know it was public information) doesn’t look so hot. I’m not convinced on him yet, but I want to pursue this.

@Jabberwockzerg: 27ninjabunnies has raised a point regarding your play that she argues shows you are mafia. You also posted that she was doing a lot of finger pointing on day one.
Do you think her point on you is good?
Do you feel that her raising that point makes her more likely to be town or mafia?

@fuba and @HaruRH: You joined the vote on jabberwockzerg. I understand that you agree with bunnies’ point on him – what do you think of jabberwockzerg’s responses after bunnies’ vote? Do they feel more town or scum to you?

aside
@HaruRH: This is not game-oriented, but I really like the “God Knows” song from Haruhi and love to sing it in karaoke :D


what I understood from all jabber's responses are either a high level of newbie play, or scum. I will provide examples later after I get on a computer.

Will not unvote until jabber defends himself convincingly
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 27 2014 08:41 GMT
#166
Meta is useless, and I will be proof within 16 hours.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 27 2014 09:23 GMT
#167
I am so confused wtf is this game?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 27 2014 09:34 GMT
#168
Ninjabunnies is mafia, I'm going to vote him. Then I'm going to read another page of the game.

##Vote Ninjabunnies

it's because he wrote "XD"
Computer says mafia
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
May 27 2014 09:36 GMT
#169
On May 27 2014 18:34 Palmar wrote:
Ninjabunnies is mafia, I'm going to vote him. Then I'm going to read another page of the game.

##Vote Ninjabunnies

it's because he wrote "XD"


??? Did you become crazy after getting ##Nuked in that other game?
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 27 2014 09:40 GMT
#170
On May 27 2014 18:36 gobbledydook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 18:34 Palmar wrote:
Ninjabunnies is mafia, I'm going to vote him. Then I'm going to read another page of the game.

##Vote Ninjabunnies

it's because he wrote "XD"


??? Did you become crazy after getting ##Nuked in that other game?


Do you not think this is a valid case? At least you have to explain to me why you disagree. I think it's a pretty strong case. I should add that I combine it with the "ugh" from his first post, oh and his plea that "can we now hunt some scum?".

Seems pretty ironclad to me.
Computer says mafia
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
May 27 2014 09:41 GMT
#171
On May 27 2014 18:40 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 18:36 gobbledydook wrote:
On May 27 2014 18:34 Palmar wrote:
Ninjabunnies is mafia, I'm going to vote him. Then I'm going to read another page of the game.

##Vote Ninjabunnies

it's because he wrote "XD"


??? Did you become crazy after getting ##Nuked in that other game?


Do you not think this is a valid case? At least you have to explain to me why you disagree. I think it's a pretty strong case. I should add that I combine it with the "ugh" from his first post, oh and his plea that "can we now hunt some scum?".

Seems pretty ironclad to me.


No I don't think that's a valid case, I think you're trolling.
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 27 2014 09:43 GMT
#172
On May 27 2014 18:41 gobbledydook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 18:40 Palmar wrote:
On May 27 2014 18:36 gobbledydook wrote:
On May 27 2014 18:34 Palmar wrote:
Ninjabunnies is mafia, I'm going to vote him. Then I'm going to read another page of the game.

##Vote Ninjabunnies

it's because he wrote "XD"


??? Did you become crazy after getting ##Nuked in that other game?


Do you not think this is a valid case? At least you have to explain to me why you disagree. I think it's a pretty strong case. I should add that I combine it with the "ugh" from his first post, oh and his plea that "can we now hunt some scum?".

Seems pretty ironclad to me.


No I don't think that's a valid case, I think you're trolling.


I'm not, why do you think I'm trolling.

Granted, I'm only about 2 pages or so into the game as we speak, + skimming Ninja's filter. But I feel pretty good about this. Could you elaborate on why you think I'm trolling? Or at least if there is something you don't understand in my case, ask for an explanation?
Computer says mafia
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
May 27 2014 10:04 GMT
#173
On May 27 2014 18:43 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 18:41 gobbledydook wrote:
On May 27 2014 18:40 Palmar wrote:
On May 27 2014 18:36 gobbledydook wrote:
On May 27 2014 18:34 Palmar wrote:
Ninjabunnies is mafia, I'm going to vote him. Then I'm going to read another page of the game.

##Vote Ninjabunnies

it's because he wrote "XD"


??? Did you become crazy after getting ##Nuked in that other game?


Do you not think this is a valid case? At least you have to explain to me why you disagree. I think it's a pretty strong case. I should add that I combine it with the "ugh" from his first post, oh and his plea that "can we now hunt some scum?".

Seems pretty ironclad to me.


No I don't think that's a valid case, I think you're trolling.


I'm not, why do you think I'm trolling.

Granted, I'm only about 2 pages or so into the game as we speak, + skimming Ninja's filter. But I feel pretty good about this. Could you elaborate on why you think I'm trolling? Or at least if there is something you don't understand in my case, ask for an explanation?


Because I reject your assumption that XD, ugh and 'can we now hunt some scum' as pointing to any alignment.
I'm done arguing with you on this.
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
May 27 2014 10:36 GMT
#174
On May 27 2014 15:12 gobbledydook wrote:
Hm, bunnies' case against jabberwockzerg is interesting, but I'm not sure that logic necessarily stands. Specifically, bunnies discounts the possibility that jabber really didn't know who was mafia in the game he looked at and was just plain guessing, not knowing that everyone else knows the answer already. So I would be hesitant to read too deeply into that one lead.
Also bunnies, no coaching discussion t.t

So that's my take on the current lynch flavour of the day, conclusion, I don't think that's good enough to lynch. Would want to hear more from him.



I never talked about coaches. I talked about haru- who is a player in this game- was coaching jabber to change the subject.

Also, jabber was corrupting the cherry snake last game, so he wasnt just plain guessing.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
May 27 2014 10:40 GMT
#175
On May 27 2014 18:34 Palmar wrote:
Ninjabunnies is mafia, I'm going to vote him. Then I'm going to read another page of the game.

##Vote Ninjabunnies

it's because he wrote "XD"


This is the best case on me in forum I have seen to date. Wow. Congrats.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
May 27 2014 10:45 GMT
#176
On May 27 2014 15:33 Amiko wrote:
@slOosh re: Alakaslam style of posting
Slam’s posting is usually fun, but occasionally frustrating since it’s not always clear what he means, so it can be hard to draw a read from that. I don’t think it is inherently bad

On Jabberwockzerg
I felt jabber’s first post was a bit odd because he copied his post from the prior game (where he was scum) and I feel like he might have a different opening if he was town.
I also think bunnies may be onto something, but I’m not sure if her post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=6#106) realizes the more damning point or not (it’s sorta weirdly written) so I’ll write it just in case. To me, what is suspicious about jabber’s post is that he suggested a player was mafia last game, but he knew that the player was not mafia last game. In other words, he offered a scenario as a counterpoint that he knew to be false.
It’d be fine if he said he was just raising the point as a possibility, but his answer (that he didn’t know it was public information) doesn’t look so hot. I’m not convinced on him yet, but I want to pursue this.

@Jabberwockzerg: 27ninjabunnies has raised a point regarding your play that she argues shows you are mafia. You also posted that she was doing a lot of finger pointing on day one.
Do you think her point on you is good?
Do you feel that her raising that point makes her more likely to be town or mafia?

@fuba and @HaruRH: You joined the vote on jabberwockzerg. I understand that you agree with bunnies’ point on him – what do you think of jabberwockzerg’s responses after bunnies’ vote? Do they feel more town or scum to you?

aside
@HaruRH: This is not game-oriented, but I really like the “God Knows” song from Haruhi and love to sing it in karaoke :D


Your bolded point here is exactly the point I brought up in my case, though it might have been difficult to tell with all my euphemisms. The fact that he was the one who was worshipping the volvo last game, and he says that chrom was/ might have been the one last game, raises some high suspicion. Also, the team last game was epi, amiko, and jabber, yes? Epi isnt even in this game, and amiko didn't show up until just now, so who exactly was around to point that case out on jabber? Hmmm. Me. Who is actually paying attention to the game.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
May 27 2014 10:47 GMT
#177
On May 27 2014 18:40 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 18:36 gobbledydook wrote:
On May 27 2014 18:34 Palmar wrote:
Ninjabunnies is mafia, I'm going to vote him. Then I'm going to read another page of the game.

##Vote Ninjabunnies

it's because he wrote "XD"


??? Did you become crazy after getting ##Nuked in that other game?


Do you not think this is a valid case? At least you have to explain to me why you disagree. I think it's a pretty strong case. I should add that I combine it with the "ugh" from his first post, oh and his plea that "can we now hunt some scum?".

Seems pretty ironclad to me.


Also, her, not him.

Prob something mundane to comment on, but i hate seeing his....

Bleh
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
jabberwockzerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States294 Posts
May 27 2014 11:03 GMT
#178
On May 27 2014 15:51 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 15:33 Amiko wrote:
@slOosh re: Alakaslam style of posting
Slam’s posting is usually fun, but occasionally frustrating since it’s not always clear what he means, so it can be hard to draw a read from that. I don’t think it is inherently bad

On Jabberwockzerg
I felt jabber’s first post was a bit odd because he copied his post from the prior game (where he was scum) and I feel like he might have a different opening if he was town.
I also think bunnies may be onto something, but I’m not sure if her post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=6#106) realizes the more damning point or not (it’s sorta weirdly written) so I’ll write it just in case. To me, what is suspicious about jabber’s post is that he suggested a player was mafia last game, but he knew that the player was not mafia last game. In other words, he offered a scenario as a counterpoint that he knew to be false.
It’d be fine if he said he was just raising the point as a possibility, but his answer (that he didn’t know it was public information) doesn’t look so hot. I’m not convinced on him yet, but I want to pursue this.

@Jabberwockzerg: 27ninjabunnies has raised a point regarding your play that she argues shows you are mafia. You also posted that she was doing a lot of finger pointing on day one.
Do you think her point on you is good?
Do you feel that her raising that point makes her more likely to be town or mafia?

@fuba and @HaruRH: You joined the vote on jabberwockzerg. I understand that you agree with bunnies’ point on him – what do you think of jabberwockzerg’s responses after bunnies’ vote? Do they feel more town or scum to you?

aside
@HaruRH: This is not game-oriented, but I really like the “God Knows” song from Haruhi and love to sing it in karaoke :D


what I understood from all jabber's responses are either a high level of newbie play, or scum. I will provide examples later after I get on a computer.

Will not unvote until jabber defends himself convincingly

I don't think the case against me is solid, but obviously since I know I'm town that'll influence my judgment of the case.
As for whether bunny's town, I don't know. Strong campaigning doesn't make her mafia, but she's really the only one making plays and that stands out.
I put the money in the jacket, and the jacket on the kangaroo, and now he's hopping away!
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
May 27 2014 11:11 GMT
#179
On May 27 2014 12:15 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 12:12 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 27 2014 12:04 jabberwockzerg wrote:
On May 27 2014 12:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 27 2014 12:01 HaruRH wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:59 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:56 HaruRH wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:54 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Delicately, must I awkwardly introduce all of my posts and then just get on with them


I think that doing anything else other than leaving the subject as it is will make you an even likelier target for scrumm. Change the topic quickly


I dont understand how this post had anything to do with what my case was on him?


Nothing to do with it at all, just a crap post with no meaning other than for jabber to not feel so awkward with every post he makes


To me, it seemed as if you were coaching him to change the topic in order to get pressure off of him.

Why would you want to do that?

You're doing an awful lot of finger pointing for day 1


It's not finger pointing.
It's how I get my reads.

If i find a post that seems like its sniffing the bishop, I'll point it out, question it, and get the reactions from whoever the post was pointed towards or the rest of people's reactions.

But how is his post not hugging the sandwich maker?!

He basically said you need to change the subject if you dont want to seem beating the chess game,

If we're both mafia, wouldn't he have told me that in the QT?


wait what?

scum or newbie mistakes?
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
May 27 2014 11:14 GMT
#180
On May 27 2014 11:24 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 11:22 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town.

Nope. Last game, you, amiko, and epi was mafia.
Zat counter point is invalid.

Didn't realize that was public information
My bad


This may have been used as evidence for the past 5 pages, but it still raises eyebrows. Why would you accuse someone of being mafia last game when you clearly know who is mafia last game?

On May 27 2014 11:50 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 11:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town.


So let me spell it out. It has to do with this post here.

You were a squirrel eating nuts last game, were you not?

Yet here, you say he could have been super into the last game because he was also sniffing the maple.

Yet, he wasnt. You were. And you didnt know that that knowledge was made public to us.

So either you are defending Chrom/slightly bussing here because he is your partner in crime, or you are again down among the badgers as you said chrom was leading more towards being a grim reaper in a town full of sickness, and you want to get him lynched.

Clearing this up, I didn't mean mafia specifically, just non vanilla. Was this bad wording? Yes. Stupid of me? Yes. Learning experience, definitely


Didn't mean mafia, but meant non-vanilla... wait, he said he could have been super into last game because he was mafia.

On May 27 2014 11:56 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 11:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:50 jabberwockzerg wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town.


So let me spell it out. It has to do with this post here.

You were a squirrel eating nuts last game, were you not?

Yet here, you say he could have been super into the last game because he was also sniffing the maple.

Yet, he wasnt. You were. And you didnt know that that knowledge was made public to us.

So either you are defending Chrom/slightly bussing here because he is your partner in crime, or you are again down among the badgers as you said chrom was leading more towards being a grim reaper in a town full of sickness, and you want to get him lynched.

Clearing this up, I didn't mean mafia specifically, just non vanilla. Was this bad wording? Yes. Stupid of me? Yes. Learning experience, definitely


Hmmm, just because you are vanilla town doesnt give you the right to be lurkish and not into the game :p

This doesnt give you a pass. Sorry

Essentially, at that point in the game I was just spitballing.


Then, he defends his claim by saying he was crapping.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
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