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Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
On June 25 2009 02:02 Eniram wrote:
Hey.. He knew the risk when he got into that business. I can't feel bad for him
Yeah I agree Marine, like, its fucking China, they will kill you for a little bit of marijuana, so he already knows Heroin is going to fuck him over even more.
I also don't feel sorry for him either, if he brings drugs into a country and ruins lives he deserves it. By killing him you may save thousands of people who made a bad choice in their life and are now addicted to this drug we call " Heroin. "
P.S Eniram, if your Eniram(OD) thats pretty ironic because your team stands for over dose lol.
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On June 25 2009 03:09 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 02:53 InfeSteD wrote:On June 25 2009 02:44 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On June 25 2009 02:39 hixhix wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? If your counter argument is like that, I have no interest to continue the discussion with you. Because you have no reasonable answer? Because you know he's right? On June 25 2009 02:43 floor exercise wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? Does this come in car analogy form as well? That's not even remotely close to the guns/car analogy. A DEATH sentence for drug trafficking? That is absolutely ridiculous. Prison time? Absolutely. Really large fines? Absolutely. Death? It's excessive. My best friend dissapeared for 2 years on me.. I would call his mom, friends, everyone and nobody could tell his whereabouts... one time he called me from the hospital saying he was dying he couldnt move any parts of his body... later on he told me he was addicted to heroin, slept in the streets, stole money, stole houses, lost everything he had.. and this friend of mine was a straight A student, never drank or smoke or did anything bad.. he was really responsible, etc (u get the point) he almost died because of that shit... Im not saying death penalty is ok, but then again makes me think.. who do I rather have died.. the 1 person causing all this or a shitload of people because of 1 person? And this is the dealer's fault and not your friend's how?
Are you suggesting that profiting from these addictive substances is fair so long as buyers are not coerced into it?
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Meh, not even a big anti-drug guy but I don't think it's excessively harsh.
He knew the risk and he took them.
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On June 25 2009 03:25 GoodWill wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 03:09 Mindcrime wrote:On June 25 2009 02:53 InfeSteD wrote:On June 25 2009 02:44 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On June 25 2009 02:39 hixhix wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? If your counter argument is like that, I have no interest to continue the discussion with you. Because you have no reasonable answer? Because you know he's right? On June 25 2009 02:43 floor exercise wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? Does this come in car analogy form as well? That's not even remotely close to the guns/car analogy. A DEATH sentence for drug trafficking? That is absolutely ridiculous. Prison time? Absolutely. Really large fines? Absolutely. Death? It's excessive. My best friend dissapeared for 2 years on me.. I would call his mom, friends, everyone and nobody could tell his whereabouts... one time he called me from the hospital saying he was dying he couldnt move any parts of his body... later on he told me he was addicted to heroin, slept in the streets, stole money, stole houses, lost everything he had.. and this friend of mine was a straight A student, never drank or smoke or did anything bad.. he was really responsible, etc (u get the point) he almost died because of that shit... Im not saying death penalty is ok, but then again makes me think.. who do I rather have died.. the 1 person causing all this or a shitload of people because of 1 person? And this is the dealer's fault and not your friend's how? Are you suggesting that profiting from these addictive substances is fair so long as buyers are not coerced into it?
As long as there's no coercion or fraud, yeah.
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Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
On June 25 2009 03:28 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 03:25 GoodWill wrote:On June 25 2009 03:09 Mindcrime wrote:On June 25 2009 02:53 InfeSteD wrote:On June 25 2009 02:44 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On June 25 2009 02:39 hixhix wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? If your counter argument is like that, I have no interest to continue the discussion with you. Because you have no reasonable answer? Because you know he's right? On June 25 2009 02:43 floor exercise wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? Does this come in car analogy form as well? That's not even remotely close to the guns/car analogy. A DEATH sentence for drug trafficking? That is absolutely ridiculous. Prison time? Absolutely. Really large fines? Absolutely. Death? It's excessive. My best friend dissapeared for 2 years on me.. I would call his mom, friends, everyone and nobody could tell his whereabouts... one time he called me from the hospital saying he was dying he couldnt move any parts of his body... later on he told me he was addicted to heroin, slept in the streets, stole money, stole houses, lost everything he had.. and this friend of mine was a straight A student, never drank or smoke or did anything bad.. he was really responsible, etc (u get the point) he almost died because of that shit... Im not saying death penalty is ok, but then again makes me think.. who do I rather have died.. the 1 person causing all this or a shitload of people because of 1 person? And this is the dealer's fault and not your friend's how? Are you suggesting that profiting from these addictive substances is fair so long as buyers are not coerced into it? As long as there's no coercion or fraud, yeah.
*Sigh* You realize these people made one bad choice in their life and now they can't get off the drug, correct? The dealer is killing thousands, even millions of people and hes profiting from it. You don't think the murder/torture of thousands is completely alright?
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On June 25 2009 02:44 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 02:39 hixhix wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? If your counter argument is like that, I have no interest to continue the discussion with you. Because you have no reasonable answer? Because you know he's right? Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 02:43 floor exercise wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? Does this come in car analogy form as well? That's not even remotely close to the guns/car analogy. A DEATH sentence for drug trafficking? That is absolutely ridiculous. Prison time? Absolutely. Really large fines? Absolutely. Death? It's excessive.
Haha. 5 kilos of coke can ruin a lot of lives. And I'm willing to bet it wasn't his FIRST TIME SELLING DRUGS. Excessive? No. Let the fucker fry. Selling drugs does not equal swearing loudly, because the chances of people dying over your swearing are next to zero, so no. That argument isn't valid. And even if you want to push it that far, then yes, you should STILL obey the fucking law or fry. You don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
Fry them all. FRY THEM!
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Damnit Smooky, you could have let him live!
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On June 25 2009 02:59 hixhix wrote:
People who think death penalty is too excessive for drug trafficking, you obviously have no idea how serious this is. Do some research on Google if you have no real life experience. In short, one drug dealer makes hundred thousands, millions of dollars by killing hundred or thousands of people directly or indirectly in very short time, causing many problems after others, especially in 3rd world countries.
p/s: don't compare this with something stupid like selling cigarette.
I love how you specifically point out that drugs cause more problems in 3rd world countries as if people in developed countries are immune to drugs.
On June 25 2009 02:33 hixhix wrote:
The other recent incident was also about a Vietnamese - Australian getting caught in Singapore. Australian government, the drug drealer's school, friend... etc made it really big asking SIngapore to not kill that guy. But no, he broke the law, he deserved death penalty. If that guy wasn't caught, he would be on the beach, enjoying sunshine, cold beer and pussies while hundreds of addicts, their families and so on would be struggling every day to survive, yes, I mean survive (poor people in 3rd world country still have to worry about their food every day).
..and btw, Singapore isn't a third world country, not to mention the people who live there are FAR from starving. Get your facts right.
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On June 25 2009 03:31 Clasic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 03:28 Mindcrime wrote:On June 25 2009 03:25 GoodWill wrote:On June 25 2009 03:09 Mindcrime wrote:On June 25 2009 02:53 InfeSteD wrote:On June 25 2009 02:44 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On June 25 2009 02:39 hixhix wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? If your counter argument is like that, I have no interest to continue the discussion with you. Because you have no reasonable answer? Because you know he's right? On June 25 2009 02:43 floor exercise wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? Does this come in car analogy form as well? That's not even remotely close to the guns/car analogy. A DEATH sentence for drug trafficking? That is absolutely ridiculous. Prison time? Absolutely. Really large fines? Absolutely. Death? It's excessive. My best friend dissapeared for 2 years on me.. I would call his mom, friends, everyone and nobody could tell his whereabouts... one time he called me from the hospital saying he was dying he couldnt move any parts of his body... later on he told me he was addicted to heroin, slept in the streets, stole money, stole houses, lost everything he had.. and this friend of mine was a straight A student, never drank or smoke or did anything bad.. he was really responsible, etc (u get the point) he almost died because of that shit... Im not saying death penalty is ok, but then again makes me think.. who do I rather have died.. the 1 person causing all this or a shitload of people because of 1 person? And this is the dealer's fault and not your friend's how? Are you suggesting that profiting from these addictive substances is fair so long as buyers are not coerced into it? As long as there's no coercion or fraud, yeah. *Sigh* You realize these people made one bad choice in their life and now they can't get off the drug, correct? The dealer is killing thousands, even millions of people and hes profiting from it. You don't think the murder/torture of thousands is completely alright?
Dude I smoke weed every day and I am completely the one being responsible for it.
If you are stupid enough to even _TRY_ something like heroine you're one big dumb fuck because EVERYONE knows this stuff makes addicted as fuck.
Yea people that sell heroine ain't any good, but after all its up to the consumer in the most cases.
And except for heroine you can stop EACH drug after the first time, you can even stop heroine after "just one time" - you have to realize its not just "one bad choice in their life" but MANY bad choices in your life or the fact that you gave up yourself not trying to fight the drug after you became addicted.
And believe me, I sure know how hard it is to stop drugs, especially since personally I can't seem to do it right now - and its just weed after all.
But then again I know who's responsible for it.
There will always be dealers, if one doesn't sell you the stuff you need, you'll go and find the next dealer. That's how an addicts brain works.
I guess every smoker in the world can tell you, just that their dealers are allowed to sell them their drug.
Cigarettes do also kill people, now why didn't the leaders of Marlboro, West & co did not get fried yet then? Who do you think is responsible for more people dying each year, a drug dealer or cigarette production?
Not saying its good, I am against death sentence by any means - but on the other hand most people are right when they say - HOW FUCKING STUPID can you be to sell drugs in an Asian country where you can get death sentenced for it!?
Prolly took too much of his own dope...
Sorry about the girl when she really didn't know about the drugs, but that's about it.
I feel much more sorry for those people who die each day because they cannot get a fucking piece to eat.
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Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
People who live in 3d world country's are exposed to drugs way more then those that live in, say the U.S.
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On June 25 2009 03:43 dinmsab wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 02:59 hixhix wrote:
People who think death penalty is too excessive for drug trafficking, you obviously have no idea how serious this is. Do some research on Google if you have no real life experience. In short, one drug dealer makes hundred thousands, millions of dollars by killing hundred or thousands of people directly or indirectly in very short time, causing many problems after others, especially in 3rd world countries.
p/s: don't compare this with something stupid like selling cigarette. I love how you specifically point out that drugs cause more problems in 3rd world countries as if people in developed countries are immune to drugs. Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 02:33 hixhix wrote:
The other recent incident was also about a Vietnamese - Australian getting caught in Singapore. Australian government, the drug drealer's school, friend... etc made it really big asking SIngapore to not kill that guy. But no, he broke the law, he deserved death penalty. If that guy wasn't caught, he would be on the beach, enjoying sunshine, cold beer and pussies while hundreds of addicts, their families and so on would be struggling every day to survive, yes, I mean survive (poor people in 3rd world country still have to worry about their food every day). ..and btw, Singapore isn't a third world country, not to mention the people who live there are FAR from starving. Get your facts right.
Lots of people in 3rd world countries don't have access to basic healthcare let alone rehabilitation centers. Drug addiction is a bigger problem in developing nations
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Retarded law, dumb dealer.
Drug laws are a total waste of time, effort and money.
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Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
On June 25 2009 03:46 iNfeRnaL wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 03:31 Clasic wrote:On June 25 2009 03:28 Mindcrime wrote:On June 25 2009 03:25 GoodWill wrote:On June 25 2009 03:09 Mindcrime wrote:On June 25 2009 02:53 InfeSteD wrote:On June 25 2009 02:44 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On June 25 2009 02:39 hixhix wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? If your counter argument is like that, I have no interest to continue the discussion with you. Because you have no reasonable answer? Because you know he's right? On June 25 2009 02:43 floor exercise wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? Does this come in car analogy form as well? That's not even remotely close to the guns/car analogy. A DEATH sentence for drug trafficking? That is absolutely ridiculous. Prison time? Absolutely. Really large fines? Absolutely. Death? It's excessive. My best friend dissapeared for 2 years on me.. I would call his mom, friends, everyone and nobody could tell his whereabouts... one time he called me from the hospital saying he was dying he couldnt move any parts of his body... later on he told me he was addicted to heroin, slept in the streets, stole money, stole houses, lost everything he had.. and this friend of mine was a straight A student, never drank or smoke or did anything bad.. he was really responsible, etc (u get the point) he almost died because of that shit... Im not saying death penalty is ok, but then again makes me think.. who do I rather have died.. the 1 person causing all this or a shitload of people because of 1 person? And this is the dealer's fault and not your friend's how? Are you suggesting that profiting from these addictive substances is fair so long as buyers are not coerced into it? As long as there's no coercion or fraud, yeah. *Sigh* You realize these people made one bad choice in their life and now they can't get off the drug, correct? The dealer is killing thousands, even millions of people and hes profiting from it. You don't think the murder/torture of thousands is completely alright? Dude I smoke weed every day and I am completely the one being responsible for it. If you are stupid enough to even _TRY_ something like heroine you're one big dumb fuck because EVERYONE knows this stuff makes addicted as fuck. Yea people that sell heroine ain't any good, but after all its up to the consumer in the most cases. And except for heroine you can stop EACH drug after the first time, you can even stop heroine after "just one time" - you have to realize its not just "one bad choice in their life" but MANY bad choices in your life or the fact that you gave up yourself not trying to fight the drug after you became addicted. And believe me, I sure know how hard it is to stop drugs, especially since personally I can't seem to do it right now - and its just weed after all. But then again I know who's responsible for it. There will always be dealers, if one doesn't sell you the stuff you need, you'll go and find the next dealer. That's how an addicts brain works. I guess every smoker in the world can tell you, just that their dealers are allowed to sell them their drug. Cigarettes do also kill people, now why didn't the leaders of Marlboro, West & co did not get fried yet then? Who do you think is responsible for more people dying each year, a drug dealer or cigarette production? Not saying its good, I am against death sentence by any means - but on the other hand most people are right when they say - HOW FUCKING STUPID can you be to sell drugs in an Asian country where you can get death sentenced for it!? Prolly took too much of his own dope... Sorry about the girl when she really didn't know about the drugs, but that's about it. I feel much more sorry for those people who die each day because they cannot get a fucking piece to eat.
I smoke weed once every week, and its not addicting. I know were your coming from, but in a 3d world country were you don't even have a fucking TV, what else are you suppose to do, go catch butter flys?
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Canada9720 Posts
the death penalty is draconian and a pretty savage remnant of less sophisticated times. i don't think it should be used under any circumstances.
in this instance, certainly the two dealers deserve jail time, but not execution.
addressing the reduction arguments: you can counter intrigue's analogy with the intent to harm people, but you'd still be a little off -- drug dealers don't aim to explicitly harm anyone, they just want to earn a cheap buck. cigarettes are a perfect analogy, and unfortunately, concluding your post with the decree "cigarette analogies aren't valid so don't even try!" isn't an argument.
neither is lack of proficiency in english: if your english is so poor you aren't able to back up your posts in a topic of this nature, it's perhaps best you avoid posting altogether
something i think would be a interesting argument for the harsh treatment of drug crimes is the historical effect of opium, especially in china. i don't know enough about it to tackle that angle from either point of view, though.
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There are so many terrible/extreme analogies and examples in this thread, and people's interpretations of them are just as bad. When somebody says "so you think this is not the drug addicts fault how?" they don't mean it's *only* the drug addicts fault, they just refer to the fact that you laid all of the blame on the drug dealer and issued non of the responsibility to the user. I don't know if this thread only contains trolls but the terrible analogies such as *swearing* one have to stop. They do not compare at all.
A black guy trafficking heavy amounts of hard drugs to an extremist, undemocratic country being issued a death penalty? big surprise...
edit: typo
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On June 25 2009 03:31 Clasic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 03:28 Mindcrime wrote:On June 25 2009 03:25 GoodWill wrote:On June 25 2009 03:09 Mindcrime wrote:On June 25 2009 02:53 InfeSteD wrote:On June 25 2009 02:44 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On June 25 2009 02:39 hixhix wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? If your counter argument is like that, I have no interest to continue the discussion with you. Because you have no reasonable answer? Because you know he's right? On June 25 2009 02:43 floor exercise wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? Does this come in car analogy form as well? That's not even remotely close to the guns/car analogy. A DEATH sentence for drug trafficking? That is absolutely ridiculous. Prison time? Absolutely. Really large fines? Absolutely. Death? It's excessive. My best friend dissapeared for 2 years on me.. I would call his mom, friends, everyone and nobody could tell his whereabouts... one time he called me from the hospital saying he was dying he couldnt move any parts of his body... later on he told me he was addicted to heroin, slept in the streets, stole money, stole houses, lost everything he had.. and this friend of mine was a straight A student, never drank or smoke or did anything bad.. he was really responsible, etc (u get the point) he almost died because of that shit... Im not saying death penalty is ok, but then again makes me think.. who do I rather have died.. the 1 person causing all this or a shitload of people because of 1 person? And this is the dealer's fault and not your friend's how? Are you suggesting that profiting from these addictive substances is fair so long as buyers are not coerced into it? As long as there's no coercion or fraud, yeah. *Sigh* You realize these people made one bad choice in their life and now they can't get off the drug, correct? The dealer is killing thousands, even millions of people and hes profiting from it. You don't think the murder/torture of thousands is completely alright?
I suppose bartenders are murderers too.
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That drug trafficker facilitated the slow, painful, death of hundreds of people. He alienated victims from their families and friends
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On June 25 2009 03:51 Hawk wrote:
Retarded law, dumb dealer.
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On June 25 2009 03:55 CTStalker wrote:
the death penalty is draconian and a pretty savage remnant of less sophisticated times. i don't think it should be used under any circumstances.
in this instance, certainly the two dealers deserve jail time, but not execution.
addressing the reduction arguments: you can counter intrigue's analogy with the intent to harm people, but you'd still be a little off -- drug dealers don't aim to explicitly harm anyone, they just want to earn a cheap buck. cigarettes are a perfect analogy, and unfortunately, concluding your post with the decree "cigarette analogies aren't valid so don't even try!" isn't an argument.
neither is lack of proficiency in english: if your english is so poor you aren't able to back up your posts in a topic of this nature, it's perhaps best you avoid posting altogether
something i think would be a interesting argument for the harsh treatment of drug crimes is the historical effect of opium, especially in china. i don't know enough about it to tackle that angle from either point of view, though.
The cigarette analogy works to a certain point. I know a lot of smokers, but how many of them would be willing to kill for a puff? Not that many, right? It's all about degrees. Weed is also illegal, but selling 1 kg of weed probably won't get you a death sentence, because it's not that dangerous as a drug. However, as I said before, coke leads to a ton of crap, so if they want to stop it by all means, then it's their right to do so. You don't like it? Don't sell the fucking thing. A cheap buck is also killing someone to get their money. Even if you don't want to harm the person, per se, you have nothing against him, you just want his money and he won't give it to you.
Analogies don't work most of the times because they're analogies. It's not the same thing to do coke or to smoke cigarettes.
Also, I don't see why the death sentence is frowned upon. You kill a man to take his money, you die. It should be as easy as that. You rape people, you die. You kill someone while driving drunk, you die. People will think twice before doing that shit if the consequences would be more severe.
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On June 25 2009 04:00 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 03:31 Clasic wrote:On June 25 2009 03:28 Mindcrime wrote:On June 25 2009 03:25 GoodWill wrote:On June 25 2009 03:09 Mindcrime wrote:On June 25 2009 02:53 InfeSteD wrote:On June 25 2009 02:44 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On June 25 2009 02:39 hixhix wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? If your counter argument is like that, I have no interest to continue the discussion with you. Because you have no reasonable answer? Because you know he's right? On June 25 2009 02:43 floor exercise wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? Does this come in car analogy form as well? That's not even remotely close to the guns/car analogy. A DEATH sentence for drug trafficking? That is absolutely ridiculous. Prison time? Absolutely. Really large fines? Absolutely. Death? It's excessive. My best friend dissapeared for 2 years on me.. I would call his mom, friends, everyone and nobody could tell his whereabouts... one time he called me from the hospital saying he was dying he couldnt move any parts of his body... later on he told me he was addicted to heroin, slept in the streets, stole money, stole houses, lost everything he had.. and this friend of mine was a straight A student, never drank or smoke or did anything bad.. he was really responsible, etc (u get the point) he almost died because of that shit... Im not saying death penalty is ok, but then again makes me think.. who do I rather have died.. the 1 person causing all this or a shitload of people because of 1 person? And this is the dealer's fault and not your friend's how? Are you suggesting that profiting from these addictive substances is fair so long as buyers are not coerced into it? As long as there's no coercion or fraud, yeah. *Sigh* You realize these people made one bad choice in their life and now they can't get off the drug, correct? The dealer is killing thousands, even millions of people and hes profiting from it. You don't think the murder/torture of thousands is completely alright? I suppose bartenders are murderers too.
Yeah, I guess they are. Except Alcohol is legal.
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Also, I don't see why the death sentence is frowned upon. You kill a man to take his money, you die. It should be as easy as that. You rape people, you die. You kill someone while driving drunk, you die. People will think twice before doing that shit if the consequences would be more severe.
Exactly. He deserves it, and better not bitch because he already knew this shit.
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