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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On June 25 2009 06:44 Boblion wrote: Tsssss you are a white kid you can't understand ;< Also imprisonment is a lot more expensive than capital punishment. China is a country always in need of more money and with a population of over 3 billion. You can guess which one wins. It's in the states interest to just kill you  Sad but true. | ||
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
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psion0011
Canada720 Posts
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breathKILL
Croatia43 Posts
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BalliSLife
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On June 25 2009 06:44 Duke wrote: killing the girlfriend is what i dont get If the article is to be believed, she sold just about as much as he did so if they are gonna kill him, why not her? (Don't think either should be killed obviously) | ||
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Faronel
United States658 Posts
That's exactly what i thought. But it's china, there's a reason why shipments from colombia aren't going to china. Plus drug dealing is pretty serious business that needs to stop. Anywho i think we need a poll to resolve the issue... Poll: Was death penalty deserved, knowing the risks? (Vote): Yes, they probably caused a lot more harm (Vote): No, no one deserves to die for this (Vote): No fence sitting | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
On June 25 2009 06:44 InfeSteD wrote: The people that are talking about how bad the drug is have a fucking idea of how big of a deal this is!!! and the people fucking trying to compare tobacco and alcohol and weed, etc.. have no fucking clue of HOW BAD BADBADBABADBADBAD heroin is! or maybe they do but theyve never have anyone close go through some shit like that... Like I said my best friend that did it.. was the goodest kid in world, but as fucking teens or 20's we get down sometimes and some fucking how u try ONCE! one motherfucking time... and its a lifeturner... he almost fucking died from that shit... thanks god hes stronger than most and got out by himself and does nothing now and hes living a normal life.. but in those 2 years where he was addicted.. he slept in the streets, robbed old ladies, robbed houses and cars and would even kill to smoke heroin... he would also deal it.. so why would u ever feel bad for him or the person that sold it to him? why? Why defend those bad ones ? instead of defending the goverment that is trying to protect the rest of the citizens.. that's all laws are made for? so if you're gonna say something back it up with logic arguments of WHY! they should have mercy on drug dealers? It was his fault, I'm sorry. Your friend was not a victim of a system or a dealer, he made a bad decision and paid the price. Yes, if a drug dealer kills somebody, that is murder, but drug dealing =/= murder, no matter how much you try to twist the matter. | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
On June 25 2009 06:57 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Also imprisonment is a lot more expensive than capital punishment. False. | ||
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psion0011
Canada720 Posts
On June 25 2009 08:17 Lemonwalrus wrote: It was his fault, I'm sorry. Your friend was not a victim of a system or a dealer, he made a bad decision and paid the price. Yes, if a drug dealer kills somebody, that is murder, but drug dealing =/= murder, no matter how much you try to twist the matter. Brilliant deduction, sherlock. That's why they're convicted of drug dealing, not murder. The point is that it's as bad as murder so they still get a death sentence. | ||
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MayorITC
Korea (South)798 Posts
On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote: so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? Straw man fallacy. "A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[1] [2]" (Source: Wikipedia) First of all, there is no law that punishes people with the death sentence for swearing. And creating a hypothetical situation with a grossly exaggerated scenario isn't helping your cause either. Punishments, the death sentence in particular, are dependent on the severity of the crime. I don't need to be an expert on narcotics to know that drugs are far more harmful than profanity. So comparing profanity with drug trafficking isn't reasonable. If they're both crimes then they both deserve the same enforcement of the punishment, but that doesn't mean they should both enforce the same punishment.. I have to agree with hixhix on this one. I'm all up for second chances, but if you're distributing a product that indirectly (and possibly directly) kills people then I see nothing wrong with the government imposing the death penalty. False on your false. Death penalty is more expensive in the United States because of the legislative process rather than the actual enforcement of the punishment. China doesn't follow the same rules. | ||
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kefkalives
Australia1272 Posts
On June 25 2009 09:30 psion0011 wrote: Brilliant deduction, sherlock. That's why they're convicted of drug dealing, not murder. The point is that it's as bad as murder so they still get a death sentence. Psion are you that fucking daft? he was making the point to infested who thought otherwise. holy shit. | ||
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
In general though, I think death penalty is wrong. First of all, if there EVER is any error, you can't reverse the punishment or make up for it in any way. Secondly, for people who did some really sick stuff, e.g. serial killers, I'd even consider death penalty as punishment to be too light. Who knows what happens after death? Maybe it's not even bad, no matter what kind of person you were. I also heavily disagree with all the "drug dealers kill so many people and ruin their families" guys. It's neither drug dealers nor drugs that's killing people or ruining their lives. It's the people who decide to take drugs who ruin their own lives and possibly the lives of others around them. Of course there are cases where people are forced into drug addiction to be afterwards forced into prostitution for example. But in those cases drug addiction can be freely replaced with any other form of pressure you can put on someone to force him into doing something. | ||
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psion0011
Canada720 Posts
On June 25 2009 09:37 kefkalives wrote: Psion are you that fucking daft? he was making the point to infested who thought otherwise. holy shit. Calm down there, no need for nerd rage. Point out for me in his post where he thought that. Also, learn to read between the lines. | ||
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ultramagnetics
Poland215 Posts
On June 25 2009 09:33 MayorITC wrote: Straw man fallacy. "A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[1] [2]" (Source: Wikipedia) First of all, there is no law that punishes people with the death sentence for swearing. And creating a hypothetical situation with a grossly exaggerated scenario isn't helping your cause either. Punishments, the death sentence in particular, are dependent on the severity of the crime. I don't need to be an expert on narcotics to know that drugs are far more harmful than profanity. So comparing profanity with drug trafficking isn't reasonable. If they're both crimes then they both deserve the same enforcement of the punishment, but that doesn't mean they should both enforce the same punishment.. I have to agree with hixhix on this one. I'm all up for second chances, but if you're distributing a product that indirectly (and possibly directly) kills people then I see nothing wrong with the government imposing the death penalty. That is a really bad application of the the "straw man fallacy". He made a good analogy that countered the argument of the person who basically said "if its the law and you break it, its your fault and you deserve the punishment". The counter-point was that, what if the law is ridiculous like "getting the death penalty for swearing". Basically, this is saying that just because its a law, doesn't mean that one deserves the punishment for breaking it. Unless you believe that "breaking any law (however ridiculous) makes the person deserve the corresponding punishment", you need a stronger argument like: The death-penalty for trafficking is a just law, so anyone breaking it deserves the punishment. ... Anyways, the real debate is whether the death-penalty should be applied to drug-trafficking of heroin. I definitely don't think it warrants the death-penalty. I think murder or rape in most cases is much more deserving of the death penalty. Murderers/rapists kill/hurt people in cold-blood. Selling heroin is much more indirect and I think its perfectly possible for someone who isn't capable of rape/murder to be a large-scale heroin trafficker. The Nigerian man is obviously in it for the money, probably aware of the fact that heroin ruins peoples lives and probably has some reason he still does it. One plausible reason could be that he just doesn't care. Another plausible reason is that he knows that he is just a pawn in the game and even if he stopped selling heroin, it wouldn't make a difference. His boss would just find someone else to replace him and the supply/demand wouldn't change at all. This second reason is of course immoral but I don't think someone who is just greedy for money and distant from the effects of his actions (the people who are dieing/suffering due to heroin), should be given the death-penalty. | ||
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ambit!ous1
United States3662 Posts
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thestool91
672 Posts
On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote: It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.- Obviously most of you living in a little bubble and know nothing about 3rd world countries where the population is huge, the level of education is so low and there are lots of fucked up shits every day. That's why the law must be so strict for this kind of crime. Heroin not only fucks up the addicts but also their families and people around. In Vietnam (and other 3rd world countries I guess), stories like the addicts killing people for little money (like 2$, yes, two US dollars) are on daily news. One drug dealer leads to many serious consequences and they deserve death penalty. I remember in Singapore's airport, they say it out loud in the speaker that, if you cross this door and you have .... grams of drugs, you'll face death penalty, this is the last chance to throw away any drug you have. Still, there are many thickhead drug dealers who tried their lucks and then whined about how strict the law was when they got caught. The law is clear, you cross the line you're punished. i definitely agree with this i mean THEY KNOW WHT THEY ARE DOING, ITS NOT LIKE THEY THINK THEY ARE PLAYING GODAM TIDDLYWINKS OR SOMETHING. dont take me wrong as the type of guy who enjoys watching people get killed, but when you know it is AGAINST THE LAW, ESPECIALYL IN PLACES LIKE ASIA WHERE DRUGS ARE CONSIDERED EXTREMELY ILLEGAL (e.g actors/stars have their careers ruined because they are caught smoking a joint) THEN DONT DO IT. and if u have to, sorry but dont try to argue against it unless its legit | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
On June 25 2009 09:33 MayorITC wrote: False on your false. Death penalty is more expensive in the United States because of the legislative process rather than the actual enforcement of the punishment. China doesn't follow the same rules. Oh yeah, forgot we were talking about Chinese death penalty. Sorry for posting a crappy 1 word response to your post FW. | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
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Draconizard
628 Posts
On June 25 2009 06:56 Mystlord wrote: I personally am not in favor of capital punishment, so I don't think that the death penalty will really solve anything. The worst part is that these two will probably get shot in the head as a method of execution. That's a pretty painful way to die. How is getting shot in the head painful? That is indeed false in the US because of all the court costs due to appeals and whatnot. I don't know if that's the case in China, though | ||
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