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On June 25 2009 05:33 Ancestral wrote:
The death penalty is too harsh, anyone arguing otherwise is wrong. But yeah he knew the risks, and he got punished according to Chinese law. Are your brains too weak to realize both are true? There is no argument between "it's too harsh" and "he got what was coming." I'm sure he knew he could die, but killing him doesn't achieve anything.
sounds like it achieves its intended purpose of having one less criminal out there.
On June 25 2009 05:33 Ancestral wrote:
And it's every single persons responsibility to not do heroine, not the responsibility of the drug dealers to not traffic it so that people don't get addicted. There's always someone else to deal it, killing this guys is not going to end heroine addiction. I could get heroine if I wanted, but I don't. EZ
Because drug dealers are just these guys, you know? We surely can't blame these ruthless, worthless scumbags for anything.
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Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
On June 25 2009 05:33 Ancestral wrote:
The death penalty is too harsh, anyone arguing otherwise is wrong. But yeah he knew the risks, and he got punished according to Chinese law. Are your brains too weak to realize both are true? There is no argument between "it's too harsh" and "he got what was coming." I'm sure he knew he could die, but killing him doesn't achieve anything.
And it's every single persons responsibility to not do heroine, not the responsibility of the drug dealers to not traffic it so that people don't get addicted. There's always someone else to deal it, killing this guys is not going to end heroine addiction. I could get heroine if I wanted, but I don't. EZ
Dude, do you know how much weight he was pushing lol? That may have saved thousands of peoples lives, you never know, using heroin is like playing russian roulette.
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In pretty much all cases of drug trafficking the ones transporting are just poor guys who got no other options or where forced into it through several bad decisions themselves. They don't usually own the drugs and even if they would actually sell them they wouldn't be allowed to keep the money anyway.
There is a steady supply of people hopeless (or stupid) enough to smuggle drugs, killing one does nothing.
Really saddening how fast some users are in depriving someone of their right to live.
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Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
On June 25 2009 05:58 silynxer wrote:
In pretty much all cases of drug trafficking the ones transporting are just poor guys who got no other options or where forced into it through several bad decisions themselves. They don't usually own the drugs and even if they would actually sell them they wouldn't be allowed to keep the money anyway.
There is a steady supply of people hopeless (or stupid) enough to smuggle drugs, killing one does nothing.
Really saddening how fast some users are in depriving someone of their right to live.
Hmmm. Good point.
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I don't think any drugs should be illegal, but I tend to be Friedman-like in my view of regulations on personal freedoms. People should be allowed to ruin their own lives, and if they infringe on the lives of others they should be punished. But offering for sale to someone something that will destroy them isn't objectionable in my view.
Like I said, I could do heroine if I wanted, but I don't. Now there are other things that drug dealers certainly do that directly harm people, and those are bad.
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this isn't pot we are talking about guys. This is a drug so strong it can insta ruin your life in 1 try and it is the most common way for pimps to create/train whores. This drug is evil. If you sell 20 pounds of heroin, you are directly helping a certain amount of people to get shot-robbed-poisened-addicted/ruined. If this was pot or mushrooms or even cocaine I would think this was harsh, but if your selling heroin in copious quantities you are an evil person. I think with the amount of damage they were inflicting to others their death is fine.
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China.
Enough said 
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simple fact is that none of your opinions matter because the Chinese govt could care less what a bunch of middle class white kids think about their laws
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After living in China and the US, and having a Dutch step-dad for most of my life, I think one of the most important thing's I've learned is that every country is like an individual family. Every family has its own rules and it's usually not the other families business to interfere. People who are arguing that the death penalty is too harsh or oh what do you know it's China or w/e need to try to think of it in a different angle. No one can decide exactly what is wrong or right but there are certain rules in a country and I think it's up to everyone to try to live a lawful life. There's nothing wrong with having different opinions but even if you disagree with something you should still respect it. I don't know, I guess I tend to be more of a big picture person.
The fact is, crime or drug trafficing (sp?) can never be eliminated and I think everyone knows that. If you kill a so called criminal, more will pop up. I don't think this is really a human rights issue or political issue, I thinik it's just news. A person broke the law in his country and he payed the consequences, there's no need to get overly excited, or draw assumptions, or draw analogies to try to prove the punishment doesn't fit the crime because who can decide what does?
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On June 25 2009 06:39 roflMe wrote:
simple fact is that none of your opinions matter because the Chinese govt could care less what a bunch of middle class white kids think about their laws
What a good point.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On June 25 2009 02:59 hixhix wrote:
People who think death penalty is too excessive for drug trafficking, you obviously have no idea how serious this is. Do some research on Google if you have no real life experience. In short, one drug dealer makes hundred thousands, millions of dollars by killing hundred or thousands of people directly or indirectly in very short time, causing many problems after others, especially in 3rd world countries.
p/s: don't compare this with something stupid like selling cigarette.
So put them in prison for the rest of their lives, why do you have to insist on state sponsored murder?
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killing the girlfriend is what i dont get
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On June 25 2009 06:42 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 02:59 hixhix wrote:
People who think death penalty is too excessive for drug trafficking, you obviously have no idea how serious this is. Do some research on Google if you have no real life experience. In short, one drug dealer makes hundred thousands, millions of dollars by killing hundred or thousands of people directly or indirectly in very short time, causing many problems after others, especially in 3rd world countries.
p/s: don't compare this with something stupid like selling cigarette. So put them in prison for the rest of their lives, why do you have to insist on state sponsored murder?
Tsssss you are a white kid you can't understand ;<
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The people that are talking about how bad the drug is have a fucking idea of how big of a deal this is!!! and the people fucking trying to compare tobacco and alcohol and weed, etc.. have no fucking clue of HOW BAD BADBADBABADBADBAD heroin is! or maybe they do but theyve never have anyone close go through some shit like that...
Like I said my best friend that did it.. was the goodest kid in world, but as fucking teens or 20's we get down sometimes and some fucking how u try ONCE! one motherfucking time... and its a lifeturner... he almost fucking died from that shit... thanks god hes stronger than most and got out by himself and does nothing now and hes living a normal life..
but in those 2 years where he was addicted.. he slept in the streets, robbed old ladies, robbed houses and cars and would even kill to smoke heroin... he would also deal it.. so why would u ever feel bad for him or the person that sold it to him? why?
Why defend those bad ones ? instead of defending the goverment that is trying to protect the rest of the citizens.. that's all laws are made for? so if you're gonna say something back it up with logic arguments of WHY! they should have mercy on drug dealers?
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Something happened like this in australia... 9 guys smuggled drugs into bali i think and some faced the death penalty...
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=( poor guy, thats why you dont fuck around in china. Unless you have connections with higher-ups, or you get all the netizens to back you, then thats a different story.
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On June 25 2009 02:02 Eniram wrote:
Hey.. He knew the risk when he got into that business. I can't feel bad for him
This. Yes it's harsh but they the risk and dangers and thought it was worth it for the money they could make.
They failed to do a proper risk analysis and are now paying the ultimate price...it sucks but they only have themselves to blame. I'm not in favor of the death penalty, but they where they stood.
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Mystlord
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I personally am not in favor of capital punishment, so I don't think that the death penalty will really solve anything. The worst part is that these two will probably get shot in the head as a method of execution. That's a pretty painful way to die.
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