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intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-.
so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right?
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In the good old days of China when around 10.000 people were executed each year the executions became so expensive that the government collected a bullet fee (子弹费) from the relatives of the condemned.
Executing 10.000 people with firearms is expensive in the long run man!
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On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right?
If your counter argument is like that, I have no interest to continue the discussion with you.
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Considering the horrors of drug trafficking, I feel that this punishment is appropriate. A life sentence would also be appropriate, since it effectively removes perpetrators from society.
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On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right?
Does this come in car analogy form as well?
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On June 25 2009 02:39 hixhix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? If your counter argument is like that, I have no interest to continue the discussion with you.
Because you have no reasonable answer? Because you know he's right?
On June 25 2009 02:43 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? Does this come in car analogy form as well?
That's not even remotely close to the guns/car analogy. A DEATH sentence for drug trafficking? That is absolutely ridiculous. Prison time? Absolutely. Really large fines? Absolutely. Death? It's excessive.
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On June 25 2009 02:44 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 02:39 hixhix wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? If your counter argument is like that, I have no interest to continue the discussion with you. Because you have no reasonable answer? Because you know he's right?
None of that. It's because of the obvious fact that English is not my native language and I'm not a lawyer so I cant make my words 100% correct. If you are mature enough you get the point. Instead, if you try to play the devil's advocate picking one extremely irrelevant example, I just let it go. "Never discuss with an idiot; first he brings you down to his level, then he beats you with experience"
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On June 25 2009 02:44 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 02:39 hixhix wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? If your counter argument is like that, I have no interest to continue the discussion with you. Because you have no reasonable answer? Because you know he's right? Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 02:43 floor exercise wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? Does this come in car analogy form as well? That's not even remotely close to the guns/car analogy. A DEATH sentence for drug trafficking? That is absolutely ridiculous. Prison time? Absolutely. Really large fines? Absolutely. Death? It's excessive.
Its obvious that fucking up someones life (even though its their choice for taking the drug "not really if they were never able to buy it in the first place") their families, friends, girlfriends, the list goes on... does not compare to what intrigue said..
come on now.. seriously? its not even a reasonable question...
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On June 25 2009 02:44 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 02:39 hixhix wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? If your counter argument is like that, I have no interest to continue the discussion with you. Because you have no reasonable answer? Because you know he's right? Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 02:43 floor exercise wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? Does this come in car analogy form as well? That's not even remotely close to the guns/car analogy. A DEATH sentence for drug trafficking? That is absolutely ridiculous. Prison time? Absolutely. Really large fines? Absolutely. Death? It's excessive.
Hmmm yes trafficking 20+ lbs of heroin vs swearing, these things are highly comparable in severity, what an excellent debate point.
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On June 25 2009 02:44 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 02:39 hixhix wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? If your counter argument is like that, I have no interest to continue the discussion with you. Because you have no reasonable answer? Because you know he's right? Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 02:43 floor exercise wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? Does this come in car analogy form as well? That's not even remotely close to the guns/car analogy. A DEATH sentence for drug trafficking? That is absolutely ridiculous. Prison time? Absolutely. Really large fines? Absolutely. Death? It's excessive.
My best friend dissapeared for 2 years on me.. I would call his mom, friends, everyone and nobody could tell his whereabouts... one time he called me from the hospital saying he was dying he couldnt move any parts of his body... later on he told me he was addicted to heroin, slept in the streets, stole money, stole houses, lost everything he had.. and this friend of mine was a straight A student, never drank or smoke or did anything bad.. he was really responsible, etc (u get the point) he almost died because of that shit...
Im not saying death penalty is ok, but then again makes me think.. who do I rather have died.. the 1 person causing all this or a shitload of people because of 1 person?
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1. Drug traffickers profit from the addictions and degradation of many people.
2. Who the fuck is dumb enough to smuggle drugs into asian countries?
Conclusion:
Fuck 'em
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On June 25 2009 02:53 InfeSteD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 02:44 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On June 25 2009 02:39 hixhix wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? If your counter argument is like that, I have no interest to continue the discussion with you. Because you have no reasonable answer? Because you know he's right? On June 25 2009 02:43 floor exercise wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? Does this come in car analogy form as well? That's not even remotely close to the guns/car analogy. A DEATH sentence for drug trafficking? That is absolutely ridiculous. Prison time? Absolutely. Really large fines? Absolutely. Death? It's excessive. My best friend dissapeared for 2 years on me.. I would call his mom, friends, everyone and nobody could tell his whereabouts... one time he called me from the hospital saying he was dying he couldnt move any parts of his body... later on he told me he was addicted to heroin, slept in the streets, stole money, stole houses, lost everything he had.. and this friend of mine was a straight A student, never drank or smoke or did anything bad.. he was really responsible, etc (u get the point) he almost died because of that shit... Im not saying death penalty is ok, but then again makes me think.. who do I rather have died.. the 1 person causing all this or a shitload of people because of 1 person?
That's also your best friends fault.
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People who think death penalty is too excessive for drug trafficking, you obviously have no idea how serious this is. Do some research on Google if you have no real life experience. In short, one drug dealer makes hundred thousands, millions of dollars by killing hundred or thousands of people directly or indirectly in very short time, causing many problems after others, especially in 3rd world countries.
p/s: don't compare this with something stupid like selling cigarette.
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I know it is... but then again thats just one friend.. imagine how many thousands of friends cause pain in friends/families lives because of drug dealers... Im just trying to give a comparison on how dumb it was to compare swearing to (what I said above)
If you read my first post in this thread, I thought it s too harsh imo!
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On June 25 2009 02:48 hixhix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 02:44 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On June 25 2009 02:39 hixhix wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? If your counter argument is like that, I have no interest to continue the discussion with you. Because you have no reasonable answer? Because you know he's right? None of that. It's because of the obvious fact that English is not my native language and I'm not a lawyer so I cant make my words 100% correct. If you are mature enough you get the point. Instead, if you try to play the devil's advocate picking one extremely irrelevant example, I just let it go. "Never discuss with an idiot; first he brings you down to his level, then he beats you with experience"
It's not an "extremely irrelevant example." It is reductio ad absurdum and it is a perfectly valid argument.
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On June 25 2009 02:48 hixhix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 02:44 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On June 25 2009 02:39 hixhix wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? If your counter argument is like that, I have no interest to continue the discussion with you. Because you have no reasonable answer? Because you know he's right? None of that. It's because of the obvious fact that English is not my native language and I'm not a lawyer so I cant make my words 100% correct. If you are mature enough you get the point. Instead, if you try to play the devil's advocate picking one extremely irrelevant example, I just let it go. "Never discuss with an idiot; first he brings you down to his level, then he beats you with experience"
i think the reason he made that extreme analogy was to make the point that he thinks the consequences do not fit the crime. So the basic disagreement between the two of you is not so much that knowing the law and then breaking it is your own fault but more along the lines of do you think the crime fit the punishment. Also, pertaining to the two reporters going to NK, it is now being speculated that perhaps they were "sold" to North Korea. In both these cases, the main issue people have is with if the punishment fit the crime. Obviously the country have have laws but if the laws are considered to be unjust then it's fair and even expected of people to be outraged by it. The argument that, this country has this law, you know, if you fuck up, it's your fault, is moot if the law itself is unjust. Sure, one can say, you knew the dangers, why'd you do it but that leaves out the human element.
http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/22/laura-ling-euna-lee-and-north-korea/
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Something else people isnt realizing is that drug dealers are also murderers in alot of cases... they not only kill ppl with their drug but with their own hands as well.. one of my friends was murdered this year by a drug dealer
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On June 25 2009 02:53 InfeSteD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 02:44 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On June 25 2009 02:39 hixhix wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? If your counter argument is like that, I have no interest to continue the discussion with you. Because you have no reasonable answer? Because you know he's right? On June 25 2009 02:43 floor exercise wrote:On June 25 2009 02:35 intrigue wrote:On June 25 2009 02:19 hixhix wrote:
It's the law, you break the law and you are punished, simple as that. Same to the case of two reporters sneaking into NK. I dont understand why people complaining about this. It's not like they don't know what would happen if they get caught. They take the risk, they know the consequence when things go wrong, stop crying that this is too harsh -.-. so if swearing loudly was punishable by death, and you knew the punishment yet still swore, as long as you understood the consequence, there's nothing wrong right? Does this come in car analogy form as well? That's not even remotely close to the guns/car analogy. A DEATH sentence for drug trafficking? That is absolutely ridiculous. Prison time? Absolutely. Really large fines? Absolutely. Death? It's excessive. My best friend dissapeared for 2 years on me.. I would call his mom, friends, everyone and nobody could tell his whereabouts... one time he called me from the hospital saying he was dying he couldnt move any parts of his body... later on he told me he was addicted to heroin, slept in the streets, stole money, stole houses, lost everything he had.. and this friend of mine was a straight A student, never drank or smoke or did anything bad.. he was really responsible, etc (u get the point) he almost died because of that shit... Im not saying death penalty is ok, but then again makes me think.. who do I rather have died.. the 1 person causing all this or a shitload of people because of 1 person?
And this is the dealer's fault and not your friend's how?
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