Mexico's Drug War - Page 5

On March 25 2010 07:20 Chupacabra(UCSD) wrote:
With ongoing support from the U.S. and continued determination from President Calderon I don't see the cartels surviving much longer.

On March 25 2010 20:39 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
i don't know it, do you have some source, references, or proof in general for me to look at?

On March 27 2010 01:51 Boblion wrote:
And drugs don't ?

On March 27 2010 02:47 On_Slaught wrote:
Those are some pretty hefty claims to be making without a single shred of evidence that goes to your assumption that there is some malicious intent behind all of this.

On March 28 2010 17:17 Manit0u wrote:
Mexico should just let in US special forces deal with the most known cartels since their own army can't. I think that such drastic action could really shake them and show them that they're not untouchable.

On March 28 2010 13:29 MR71N1 wrote:
theres obviously two sides to it
- drug traffic violence fucks up peoples lives
- drugs fuck up peoples lives

On March 28 2010 13:29 MR71N1 wrote:
i figure if pharmaceutical companies can produce drugs, cut with harmless stuff, have a prescribed dose with full warnings/education and even possibly decrease side effects by changing chemical formations (i got no idea), this could have more benefits than negatives. however i cbf trying to list them so my discussion ends here.

Human beings look out for their own interests, so why do we keep setting up conflicts between individual and societal interests?

On March 26 2010 15:35 Chupacabra(UCSD) wrote:
@Baal
Alright, well first off just because you have a ton of posts doesn't mean those posts aren't full of shit.
Also I don't quite understand how saying "that it's an insult to the people who have died" ties in to a redneck argument about the war in Iraq when I was referring to those who say that the destruction of the twin towers was an inside job by the U.S. government (please read the post).
Also I don't deny that there is corruption within Mexico but there are measures being taken against it like never before seen( http://www.javno.com/en-world/mexico-drug-war-hindered-by-deep-police-corruption/207696). Every week there's a news report on some corrupt cop or cartel leader that gets thrown in the can and that's a FACT. President Calderon also initiated a program to inject trained "spies" to detect corruption within the Mexican police which has been extremely effective.
"So let me open your eyes here, anyone who believes the government is in a real war against the cartels is a naive child with no idea of what he is talking about." Ok apart from this extremely offensive and not true, this statement is what gave me the vibe that you didn't think anything could be done because it's the public Vs. the government. Also could you elaborate on PAN and the cartels on the pacific.
Alright you told me I failed to have a grasp on reality yet you said that the situation is going to be fixed by Mexican society being aware and angry at the cartels. Oh that's great, let's just all be angry at the cartels I'm sure that's gonna make them feel bad about themselves and have them stop when they're making over 300 billion a year. Why don't you go tell Americans that the best way to defeat terrorism is to be angry at the terrorists, I'm sure they'll receive you with arms wide open. The only way to defeat this is with Calderon's current strategy and sure it's gonna be hard to defeat 70 years of PRI. (oh and if our government is really that corrupt do you think PAN would have ever been elected in the first place??? Let me help you out, NO!)
Also I sense quite a bit of hate from you towards the world, you're scolding the Scandinavian for asking questions and you're calling the Americans dumb. I don't know about the rest of team liquid but I don't think that 's ok and also people wanting sources is not a bad thing and is not a sign of ignorance. It's a sign of wisdom, analytical mind and a good sense of logic.

On March 29 2010 18:19 FieryBalrog wrote:
So legalizing drugs like marijuana is going to be the solution, just like the legality of pharmaceuticals has solved our issues there, right? Or tobacco?

I think its a start, but I find it terribly amusing that the people preaching about the utopia of legalized drugs are the same ones who rant about the giant corporations who control everything. Guess who is going to control the drug trade, newbs?

On March 27 2010 05:34 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Hey guys,

I don't give a fuck how much first hand knowledge you have of the situation. That doesn't give you the green light to act like a pompous ass and be condescending to everyone else in the thread.

Manner up or more bans will be handed out.

On March 29 2010 19:42 Biff The Understudy wrote:

I don't want to make my case worse, but asking for proof that there is corruption related to drug wars in Mexico is just like asking for proof that Kim Jong Il isn't elected democratically. I answered the way I did because it seemed to me that poster was either bad faith and trolling, or completely ignorant on the subject and being an ass.

Obviously I could have quoted "The Open Veins of Latin America" from Eduardo Galeano and the chapter in which he explains the problems of drug and its relation to corruption, but nobody has the book and it would be just as stupid as quoting some high level math book to prove that 2+2 = 4

Now if that worthed a ban, I don't compain about it.

On March 29 2010 18:23 JohnColtrane wrote:
baal is there a wikipedia article for that flooding incident?

On March 29 2010 17:52 baal wrote:


i am going to make a long post and i hope people read it so they stop being so ignorant about what they are dealing with.

Are u mexican or something? cuz if you are i dont freaking get how on earth you can even misspell your nickname in spanish.

You are clueless about how the word works in general judging from how you post and you dont even being to understand what i just posted. ( i say this because you think i ever implied that americans should be angry at terrorists ROFL ).

Calderon is a corrupt fuck who flooded an entire state for his own profits, do you want me to go into detail? ok ill briefly explain what happened so u and the rest of the forum knows what kind of president we have.

CFE is the government monopoly of energy, Felipe Calderon (our current president) was secretary of energy (managed CFE) before being president, he was accused many times of traffic of influences to give contracts to family members and he also owned a big portion of the private energy sector.

So here it gets interesting Calderon owns a big chunk of the private energy sector which supplies the energy the government cant (around 31%) (cuz CFE its inefficient as fuck obv) so basically, Calderon makes more money the less energy CFE produces.

So CFE energy production drops suddenly 35% (lol wat) and the biggest dam in Tabasco (peñitas dam) drops 66% !!! wtf.

Rain season started and the Dam was still producing very little, meaning it was getting full very quickly, when it reached 80% of its capacity, the engeneers sent many warnings to CFE but obviously Calderon and friends couldnt hear over the sound of the constant "caching" they were making with the private energy sector.

Well the dam reached its critical point and was about to break, so CFE decides to open the gates in an emergency, releasing 2,000,000 liters per seconds into the rivers.... so what happens???: this happens.



An entire freaking state is buried under 2 meters of water with losses in the billions....

And this is where it gets id ont know if "hilarious", the president is interviewed and you want to guess what he said? lol he said [textually quoting him here]




Yeah, thats the white knight who will save us lol