EPTMexico's Drug War - Page 4
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Chupacabra(UCSD)
Mexico225 Posts
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On March 27 2010 00:47 Piy wrote: Drug trafficking fucks up so many people... And drugs don't ? | ||
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
On March 27 2010 01:07 D10 wrote: Im pretty sure legalizing all kinds of drugs and giving us the freedom we are entitled to is not extreme, you have just bought into this idea that a world where drugs are legal is wacko batshit insane stuff because you have been spoon fed it by all directions throughout your whole life lmao don't psychoanalyze me based on a one-line post you nut | ||
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CrimsonLotus
Colombia1123 Posts
It doesn't matter whether drugs are legal or not, people will still use them. The fact that they are illegal just causes larges ammounts of violence and death in countries such as Mexico, and that comes with high levels of corruption which destroy any chance of such countries to improve their standars of living, making not just the goverment but the society as a whole corrupt. I don't like drugs, at all, i think in an ideal world not even alcohol or cigarettes should exist, but we don't live in an ideal world, and unless this "war on drugs "starts to focus on killing consumers all over the world, especially in the US and Western Europe, it can never be won because the money will always be there. Obviously, something like that will never happen so it's juts nonsense to continue fighting a war that can never be won in any significant way and that just breeds violence, corruption and crime. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
On March 27 2010 02:10 CrimsonLotus wrote: It doesn't matter whether drugs are legal or not, people will still use them. The fact that they are illegal just causes larges ammounts of violence and death in countries such as Mexico, and that comes with high levels of corruption which destroy any chance of such countries to improve their standars of living, making not just the goverment but the society as a whole corrupt. I don't like drugs, at all, i think in an ideal world not even alcohol or cigarettes should exist, but we don't live in an ideal world, and unless this "war on drugs "starts to focus on killing consumers all over the world, especially in the US and Western Europe, it can never be won because the money will always be there. Obviously, something like that will never happen so it's juts nonsense to continue fighting a war that can never be won in any significant way and that just breeds violence, corruption and crime. More importantly, drugs are NOT illegal in this country. They're only prohibited if they're not made by Pfizer or Glaxo etc, prescribed by doctors who work for profit, not patient welfare. It's not really that we have a problem with drugs. Our pharmaceuticals just don't want the competition. And if those drugs weren't illegal, how else could we justify locking up 2.5% of all black Americans in a for profit prison system? We need to keep the darkies away from our white women and our cronies shitting in HIGH cotton. | ||
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Pape
Serbia419 Posts
It doesn't suprise me that the USA is supporting the albanian drug lords in Kosovo while they burn down churches and monastaires and breed taliban to go blow up the world trade centers... | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On March 27 2010 02:28 Louder wrote: More importantly, drugs are NOT illegal in this country. They're only prohibited if they're not made by Pfizer or Glaxo etc, prescribed by doctors who work for profit, not patient welfare. It's not really that we have a problem with drugs. Our pharmaceuticals just don't want the competition. And if those drugs weren't illegal, how else could we justify locking up 2.5% of all black Americans in a for profit prison system? We need to keep the darkies away from our white women and our cronies shitting in HIGH cotton. Those are some pretty hefty claims to be making without a single shred of evidence that goes to your assumption that there is some malicious intent behind all of this. | ||
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
On March 27 2010 02:47 On_Slaught wrote: Those are some pretty hefty claims to be making without a single shred of evidence that goes to your assumption that there is some malicious intent behind all of this. Do you live in a cave? Were you alive when the war on crack started? I remember seeing the commercials (I was in 6th grade) and thinking it looked more like advertisements. Crack use among blacks didn't actually explode until AFTER the government started running the "crack epidemic" ads. If you don't think having a for-profit prison system and a for-profit "health care" system, along with a loosely regulated financial system, along with a government composed of individuals who receive benefits from both, lead to vast abuses of power and rights, then you need to seriously rethink your world views. | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
One interest group is, as Louder identifies, the pharmaceuticals that make psychoactive drugs. A second interest group is the jail system which is filled and overflowing with non-violent drug users. (For profit prison system isn't so bad. It save money. The down side is that they lobby for more criminalization.) The biggest interest group of all is law enforcement and it annoys me to no end when Police chiefs have the ear of the public as voices of authority when they lobby against drug legalization on safety concerns when it's primarily lobbying to maintain a large fraction of their employment. Americans don't fail to see the plight of others. It's just that various interest groups have far stronger economic interests to prop up. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On March 27 2010 02:53 Louder wrote: Do you live in a cave? Were you alive when the war on crack started? I remember seeing the commercials (I was in 6th grade) and thinking it looked more like advertisements. Crack use among blacks didn't actually explode until AFTER the government started running the "crack epidemic" ads. If you don't think having a for-profit prison system and a for-profit "health care" system, along with a loosely regulated financial system, along with a government composed of individuals who receive benefits from both, lead to vast abuses of power and rights, then you need to seriously rethink your world views. Some purely coincidental evidence is in no way sufficient to show that there is MALICE behind the war, which is what you are claiming. Do people want to make money? Sure, just like you and every person/business in the world, But to say that they are trying to "put down the black man" and that companies find competition with the drug cartels is absurd. Do you really think if drugs were legalized that multi-billion dollar companies would have ANY problem taking absolute control of the market? I think not. This isn't to say people are benefitting from the war, but you could also say people are gaining from the earthquate in Haiti or that companies gained from World War 2. I don't think Ford was giving advice to Hitler (lol knowing Ford tho he actually might of been :D). You can hate the "war" all you want, but nothing you can bring forth, unless you have some documents from officials noone has ever seen, can meet the bar for slander that you just threw all over the government and medical companies. | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
And dammit the current US defense industry does lobby for wars. | ||
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
On March 27 2010 02:59 On_Slaught wrote: Some purely coincidental evidence is in no way sufficient to show that there is MALICE behind the war, which is what you are claiming. Do people want to make money? Sure, just like you and every person/business in the world, But to say that they are trying to "put down the black man" and that companies find competition with the drug cartels is absurd. Do you really think if drugs were legalized that multi-billion dollar companies would have ANY problem taking absolute control of the market? I think not. This isn't to say people are benefitting from the war, but you could also say people are gaining from the earthquate in Haiti or that companies gained from World War 2. I don't think Ford was giving advice to Hitler (lol knowing Ford tho he actually might of been :D). You can hate the "war" all you want, but nothing you can bring forth, unless you have some documents from officials noone has ever seen, can meet the bar for slander that you just threw all over the government and medical companies. I think there IS ample evidence in the statistics that there IS malicious intent, racially. But that really isn't what I was trying to get involved in with this post, and I'm not going to argue the point. | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
On March 27 2010 01:07 D10 wrote: Im pretty sure legalizing all kinds of drugs and giving us the freedom we are entitled to is not extreme, you have just bought into this idea that a world where drugs are legal is wacko batshit insane stuff because you have been spoon fed it by all directions throughout your whole life I would totally agree with you if humans were rational and responsible beings. Unfortunately, a major part of the population wouldn't not know where to draw a line... of course one could argue that this way society would get rid of many unneccessary people....... On March 27 2010 02:28 Louder wrote: More importantly, drugs are NOT illegal in this country. They're only prohibited if they're not made by Pfizer or Glaxo etc, prescribed by doctors who work for profit, not patient welfare. It's not really that we have a problem with drugs. Our pharmaceuticals just don't want the competition. And if those drugs weren't illegal, how else could we justify locking up 2.5% of all black Americans in a for profit prison system? We need to keep the darkies away from our white women and our cronies shitting in HIGH cotton. I have no idea about American prison system, but I am astonished to learn that it is "for profit". How does it work? Can we import it ^^ | ||
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Perfect Assassin
Mexico56 Posts
The recent event at campus where 2 students died, that only happen because they were on the wrong place at the wrong time... (and it was a bit outside the campus btw, not actually inside). It's like not going to the US only because there was shootings at some school... You can't let your life be stopped by paranoia. | ||
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
On March 27 2010 03:10 ggrrg wrote: I would totally agree with you if humans were rational and responsible beings. Unfortunately, a major part of the population wouldn't not know where to draw a line... of course one could argue that this way society would get rid of many unneccessary people....... I have no idea about American prison system, but I am astonished to learn that it is "for profit". How does it work? Can we import it ^^ A huge percentage of our prison system is now privately owned and operated. There have been numerous cases of judges going to prison for wrongful convictions, who were sending people to local incarceration facilities, for kickbacks, etc. It's a joke. Some things are too important to be for profit and private. Some things NEED to be directly controlled by the government, and therefore directly accountable to the people and their elected officials - the penal system, health care, DEFENSE, etc. | ||
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