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Vote count:
prplhz (2): Stutters695, jarjarbinks
Bourneq (1): prplhz
TheBloodyDwarf (1): Bourneq
Half the Sky (0): prplhz, rsoultin, Tubesock
Stutters695 (0): Breshke
Not voting (7): TheBloodyDwarf, Breshke, rsoultin, Tubesock, The Shining, Onegu, Half the Sky
Currently, prplhz is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Tuesday, Apr 14 8:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). Voting is mandatory!
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+ Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] +VOTE: prplhz voted Half the Sky ( post) VOTE: rsoultin voted Half-the-Sky (Half the Sky) ( post) VOTE: Breshke voted Stutters (Stutters695) ( post) VOTE: Tubesock voted Half the Sky ( post) VOTE: Stutters695 voted prplhz ( post) VOTE: rsoultin unvoted Half the Sky ( post) VOTE: Breshke unvoted Stutters695 ( post) VOTE: Tubesock unvoted Half the Sky ( post) VOTE: jarjarbinks voted Prp (prplhz) ( post) WARNING: prplhz changed vote without unvote ( post) VOTE: prplhz unvoted Half the Sky ( post) VOTE: prplhz voted Bourneq ( post) VOTE: Bourneq voted thebloodydwarf (TheBloodyDwarf) ( post)
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On April 14 2015 20:52 Half the Sky wrote:
Good afternoon Bourneq.
Last night I did a VCA (vote count analysis) starting with the people I felt looked most suspicious. You were one of the most likely though I still need to look into the "less" suspicious individuals, but looking through you, my biggest beef with you was not your activity, but that you appeared to jump reads. The 15 hour gap between you wanting dwarf and Ace (now Shining) gone and then thread sentiment swung plotspot's way made me assess whether you were going along with the crowd when you'd been able to keep your options open by casing him earlier.
I can see where you cased plotspot before and after ranking your scumreads, but Rasputin did point out ONE redeeming quote where you seemed to have original content and thought on prplhz.
If you can answer the questions that I (and I know a few others posed for you) I think it would help greatly. Also if you can clarify where you stand on prplhz given his activity/etc D2, that would also help greatly.
Good afternoon! Ill start with me "jumping to reads". My feelings on dwarf day 1 "I really like TBD's explenation of his behaviour but not reading the OP is really reckless and I would like fellow towns to know the rules and the pace of the game. But tbd seems as new as me at this so I will tread carefully here." Basicly I thought I should give TBD some time to give reads and get into the game before I jumped to a conclusion.
Next up was Ace because he had not said a word all game. Since I did not have much to go on so early in the game I was concidering making a policy lynch. So when asked if I had to cast my vote right now who would I cast it on I said Ace. There was still plenty of time left of d1 so I was almost certain I would never acctualy cast that vote.
As d1 went on and I got to read the cases against plotspot and my own personal reads of him I felt plotspot was the correct lynch. I had been keeping "my options open" because I did not feel I had very strong reads but that my strongest read was on plot. That was my first ever day of mafia so I would be a fool to trust my very first reads to much.
So to answer
"2 Was queried multiple times on the read switches from plotspot to TBD to Ace (who would be policy) to plotspot. Gives an answer to prplhz saying that TBD was most likely scum. "
I am not sure what you meant by "read switches". Early on in the day I was getting bad vibes from tbd who was acting pretty suspicious to me. But it was early on in the day so I was going to give him time to redeem himself. He did not do much of anything for the rest of the day while plotspot was making a very bad case for himself and I thought that my reads on him were stronger than thoose I had on tbd. Somewhere in the middle of d1 I am asked who I would vote on if I had to vote that very second. I answered Ace because I did not feel enough information had surfaced on anybody so a policy lynch would be in good order.
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Prplhz activity in d2 is really poor. He has been consistent in 2 things, defending dwarf and trying to lynch the 1 person I can be absolut sure is town. D2 he seems to be sure about his scum read on stutters yet pushes a lynch on me instead.
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Is thread dead? Ended up going to a friends and the night got away from me. I should probably go to sleep so i have a chance of being around for the deadline but i feel that the way these days have been progressing with many people seemingly holding back their votes is bad for town. Not scummy as ive been doing it myself but it is hard to see where people stand and i feel it is harder for scum to buss or whatever if everyone is actually voting.
That being said I hate that stutters seemingly has little time to play yet when he is in the thread he makes posts like these.
On April 14 2015 14:36 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 13:17 Tubesock wrote:On April 14 2015 13:10 Trfel wrote:
I agree that The Shining/Ace1312's slot doesn't look very good, but that's mostly for activity. I'm ignoring it for now.
At the same time, I almost wonder if he could have an easier time jumping into the thread if he is scum? Scum replacements don't really have to read the thread, they can sort of make stuff up and hope to get by. Especially in a newbie game. Obviously that isn't a very effective way to play, but many people claim to play scum without reading the thread. I don't think I agree with this at all. People are asking you stuff since you're here. If he showed up people will be asking him stuff too. In my 2nd game a newbie (I don't remember the name of it, but you were nightkilled N1 trfel in it) There was a replacement scum Scott1313371234123541235 for Gumdrops. Gum made 2 posts and was replaced. Scott's entrance was a thread sentiment list post with nice little links to the post for each player that expressed his read. He HAD to show us he read the thread and was eventually caught up. He would have died right then. Same with you, you HAVE to show you've read town or mafia. Like, you get leeway but not a pardon. This is a real good post.
On April 14 2015 14:37 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 14:00 Trfel wrote:
So far, I'm not impressed with TheBloodyDwarf at all. His play is clearly not towny, there is no question of that. I guess I could see him being a stubborn SC2 Mafia player who is new to a forum mafia environment. But then, he clearly stated, in bold, that this isn't SC2 mafia. From there, I expected to see him attempting to play the forum mafia style (not necessarily succeeding, just attempting). And I haven't seen that at all yet.
His late vote without explanation pushed him from null to scum lean.
My current lynch pool is as follows (no particular order):
TheBloodyDwarf, Stutters695, The Shining, and Bourneq Is this guy scum? I really want to lynch him.
He does not explain anything. Yes he wasnt immediately prompted to do so by someone yet if you cant stick around to interact and talk about these things why not just post your thoughts not shitty general comments. This being said I WILL NOT be voting stutters today and im probably going to regret it.
On April 14 2015 22:04 Bourneq wrote:
Prplhz activity in d2 is really poor. He has been consistent in 2 things, defending dwarf and trying to lynch the 1 person I can be absolut sure is town. D2 he seems to be sure about his scum read on stutters yet pushes a lynch on me instead.
This post again i kind of like from bourne as it is actually about stuff that is happening this phase and the last sentence is a good observation. Once again shows at elast some critical thinking about the game.
Heres where i start to feel really dirty.
##Vote Theshining
This is third placeholder third because he has promised stuff yet not delivered anything and a third because i don't like the other options
Im aiming to be awake in 5 hours so hopefully see you guys then
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lol i can get on board with that bresh
##vote: The Shining
may or may not be a placeholder though :0 the mystery thickens!
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Breshke, I'll be honest, considering the two posts you just quoted, I can actually logically imply why Stutters posted what he did in the second quote based on his observation and opinion of Tube's post, but if you're still not clear, maybe asking for clarification might help.
My issue personally with Trfel's post is that D2 is a bit too premature to conclude the entire scumteam is inactive. Now I don't think he's PoEed everyone else yet, from what I recall, I believe it's a result of whoever he's rated the lowest in his latest page of analysis.
It is possible and it has certainly happened, but given the nature of scumteams on TL on average, it is unlikely. It IS likely there's one lurker, possibly two on a three-person scumteam, but all three being inactive would be extremely rare.
I also know that from talking with Kitaman when we have cohosted the last newbie game, inactivity amongst newbies is fairly common regardless of alignment, so (not sure if you were in thread) exercise extreme caution before voting someone down solely for inactivity, especially a newbie in a newbie game. Like I said before, I feel that blue(s) should be the ones investigating that throughout the game and resolving only lategame (D4 or later IMO).
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meh bresh beginning not to care about what's keeping you from voting stutters btw lol >< cause it's probably bullshit
prp, i'm clinging to the idea that you're town almost with the same tenacity as you're clinging to tbd and bresh is to hts, but dude wtf are you doing this day phase? -_-
what did stutters say that you liked hts? i get the "well it could be plausible" bit but is that really it?
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On April 14 2015 23:58 Half the Sky wrote:
Breshke, I'll be honest, considering the two posts you just quoted, I can actually logically imply why Stutters posted what he did in the second quote based on his observation and opinion of Tube's post, but if you're still not clear, maybe asking for clarification might help.
My issue personally with Trfel's post is that D2 is a bit too premature to conclude the entire scumteam is inactive. Now I don't think he's PoEed everyone else yet, from what I recall, I believe it's a result of whoever he's rated the lowest in his latest page of analysis.
It is possible and it has certainly happened, but given the nature of scumteams on TL on average, it is unlikely. It IS likely there's one lurker, possibly two on a three-person scumteam, but all three being inactive would be extremely rare.
I also know that from talking with Kitaman when we have cohosted the last newbie game, inactivity amongst newbies is fairly common regardless of alignment, so (not sure if you were in thread) exercise extreme caution before voting someone down solely for inactivity, especially a newbie in a newbie game. Like I said before, I feel that blue(s) should be the ones investigating that throughout the game and resolving only lategame (D4 or later IMO).
htssssss
lol >< very preachy and sweet but if you haven't noticed we've got 3-4 lurkers, so unless you have someone scummy you'd rather "vote down"?
also he directly said it wasn't for inactivity so...sermon unnecessary
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On April 14 2015 21:48 Bourneq wrote:
So to answer
"2 Was queried multiple times on the read switches from plotspot to TBD to Ace (who would be policy) to plotspot. Gives an answer to prplhz saying that TBD was most likely scum. "
I am not sure what you meant by "read switches". Early on in the day I was getting bad vibes from tbd who was acting pretty suspicious to me. But it was early on in the day so I was going to give him time to redeem himself. He did not do much of anything for the rest of the day while plotspot was making a very bad case for himself and I thought that my reads on him were stronger than thoose I had on tbd. Somewhere in the middle of d1 I am asked who I would vote on if I had to vote that very second. I answered Ace because I did not feel enough information had surfaced on anybody so a policy lynch would be in good order.
Bourneq to clarify this -
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Pfffff tablet fail. Ignore that last post.
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Vote count:
TheBloodyDwarf (1): Bourneq
The Shining (2): Breshke, rsoultin
Bourneq (1): prplhz
Half the Sky (0): prplhz, rsoultin, Tubesock
prplhz (2): Stutters695, jarjarbinks
Stutters695 (0): Breshke
Not voting (5): TheBloodyDwarf, Tubesock, The Shining, Onegu, Half the Sky
Currently, prplhz is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Tuesday, Apr 14 8:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). Voting is mandatory!
If there are errors, please let us know.
+ Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] +VOTE: prplhz voted Half the Sky ( post) VOTE: rsoultin voted Half-the-Sky (Half the Sky) ( post) VOTE: Breshke voted Stutters (Stutters695) ( post) VOTE: Tubesock voted Half the Sky ( post) VOTE: Stutters695 voted prplhz ( post) VOTE: rsoultin unvoted Half the Sky ( post) VOTE: Breshke unvoted Stutters695 ( post) VOTE: Tubesock unvoted Half the Sky ( post) VOTE: jarjarbinks voted Prp (prplhz) ( post) WARNING: prplhz changed vote without unvote ( post) VOTE: prplhz unvoted Half the Sky ( post) VOTE: prplhz voted Bourneq ( post) VOTE: Bourneq voted thebloodydwarf (TheBloodyDwarf) ( post) VOTE: Breshke voted Theshining (The Shining) ( post) VOTE: rsoultin voted The Shining ( post)
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lolol ><
tempted to jump up and down, put on a clown nose and stand on my head if it'll get you to engage with me hts xP
and that would look hella strange cause i can't stand on my head :/
you've cased...tube, onegu(trfel), bourne and the 1 of 3 is making me go ;o; about not seeing a third lol who i'm assuming is stutters. i kinda agree with (my bro i think it was?) that some of those cases look stretched, but that's neither here nor there at the moment. who do you actually want to lynch?
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On April 15 2015 00:04 rsoultin wrote:
htssssss
lol >< very preachy and sweet but if you haven't noticed we've got 3-4 lurkers, so unless you have someone scummy you'd rather "vote down"?
also he directly said it wasn't for inactivity so...sermon unnecessary
The plan on my end was looking into the concerns on prplhz and sorting out Bourneq's reasoning for doing what he did.
ATM I'm filter diving prplhz.
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alright, i'll give you some time then lol ><
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On April 14 2015 23:42 Breshke wrote:Is thread dead? Ended up going to a friends and the night got away from me. I should probably go to sleep so i have a chance of being around for the deadline but i feel that the way these days have been progressing with many people seemingly holding back their votes is bad for town. Not scummy as ive been doing it myself but it is hard to see where people stand and i feel it is harder for scum to buss or whatever if everyone is actually voting. That being said I hate that stutters seemingly has little time to play yet when he is in the thread he makes posts like these. Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 14:36 Stutters695 wrote:On April 14 2015 13:17 Tubesock wrote:On April 14 2015 13:10 Trfel wrote:
I agree that The Shining/Ace1312's slot doesn't look very good, but that's mostly for activity. I'm ignoring it for now.
At the same time, I almost wonder if he could have an easier time jumping into the thread if he is scum? Scum replacements don't really have to read the thread, they can sort of make stuff up and hope to get by. Especially in a newbie game. Obviously that isn't a very effective way to play, but many people claim to play scum without reading the thread. I don't think I agree with this at all. People are asking you stuff since you're here. If he showed up people will be asking him stuff too. In my 2nd game a newbie (I don't remember the name of it, but you were nightkilled N1 trfel in it) There was a replacement scum Scott1313371234123541235 for Gumdrops. Gum made 2 posts and was replaced. Scott's entrance was a thread sentiment list post with nice little links to the post for each player that expressed his read. He HAD to show us he read the thread and was eventually caught up. He would have died right then. Same with you, you HAVE to show you've read town or mafia. Like, you get leeway but not a pardon. This is a real good post. Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 14:37 Stutters695 wrote:On April 14 2015 14:00 Trfel wrote:
So far, I'm not impressed with TheBloodyDwarf at all. His play is clearly not towny, there is no question of that. I guess I could see him being a stubborn SC2 Mafia player who is new to a forum mafia environment. But then, he clearly stated, in bold, that this isn't SC2 mafia. From there, I expected to see him attempting to play the forum mafia style (not necessarily succeeding, just attempting). And I haven't seen that at all yet.
His late vote without explanation pushed him from null to scum lean.
My current lynch pool is as follows (no particular order):
TheBloodyDwarf, Stutters695, The Shining, and Bourneq Is this guy scum? I really want to lynch him. He does not explain anything. Yes he wasnt immediately prompted to do so by someone yet if you cant stick around to interact and talk about these things why not just post your thoughts not shitty general comments. This being said I WILL NOT be voting stutters today and im probably going to regret it. Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 22:04 Bourneq wrote:
Prplhz activity in d2 is really poor. He has been consistent in 2 things, defending dwarf and trying to lynch the 1 person I can be absolut sure is town. D2 he seems to be sure about his scum read on stutters yet pushes a lynch on me instead. This post again i kind of like from bourne as it is actually about stuff that is happening this phase and the last sentence is a good observation. Once again shows at elast some critical thinking about the game. Heres where i start to feel really dirty. ##Vote TheshiningThis is third placeholder third because he has promised stuff yet not delivered anything and a third because i don't like the other options Im aiming to be awake in 5 hours so hopefully see you guys then
Blame it on the a a a a a alcohol.
Anyway, lynch prpl with me? I don't really want to lynch trfel today, but I really don't like that post.
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On April 15 2015 00:26 rsoultin wrote:
lolol ><
tempted to jump up and down, put on a clown nose and stand on my head if it'll get you to engage with me hts xP
and that would look hella strange cause i can't stand on my head :/
you've cased...tube, onegu(trfel), bourne and the 1 of 3 is making me go ;o; about not seeing a third lol who i'm assuming is stutters. i kinda agree with (my bro i think it was?) that some of those cases look stretched, but that's neither here nor there at the moment. who do you actually want to lynch?
If I had to lynch now it'd be Onegu/Trfel.
Bourneq I didn't like. Your last quote on him as I said last night gave me pause that he could be newb town over newb scum, so I followed up.
Read up on Tube and went back to his original read on me. I know from Newbie LX he is susceptible to tunnelling. A town Tube could be just doing that to me.
My lynch pool is between Onegu/Trfel, and Bourneq, though the latest things on prp make me want to doublecheck honestly. The quote from Trfel when I re-read from last night also made my eyes pop (and not in a good way) because I didn't get that prplhz was forceful at all in his reads.
Stutters I think its fine.
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Rasputin, so you can understand me a bit better, this is the quote I take issue with:
On April 14 2015 12:53 Trfel wrote:
I'm pretty confident that prplhz is town here. I've read Stutters695's arguments (or at least, the posts that I believe he is referring to) and I don't find them to be all that convincing.
He's being forceful, active, and his reads have generally been good. I don't normally see all three of these traits at once from a town prplhz, so I doubt even more that he would play like this as mafia.
I can demonstrate this if necessary, but at this time I don't think that it is necessary. And prplhz can speak for himself.
I'm doublechecking 1) how forceful he was and 2) the bases for his reads.
When you three voted me D2, you I know believed your case against me, like your tone felt genuine, but I recall prplhz being like "I can roll with that" or something similar when he followed with his vote, so I'm backtracking to see how he progressed on other people.
The other thing that doesn't add up for me is that he was hard defending Dwarf but openly telling him to be more useful. I'm sure I recall that somewhere. That just felt strange to me.
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meh i kinda want to lynch stutters not gonna lie -_-
which is why i keep asking you why you don't
i just...meh i had the same problem with soren who flipped town but lol >< the one-liners with no explanation is bugging the shit out of me. he says he doesn't like day 1. okay fine and fair enough. it's day 2 now
stutters why is it so difficult to say why you don't like truffle's post?
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On April 14 2015 23:58 Half the Sky wrote:
My issue personally with Trfel's post is that D2 is a bit too premature to conclude the entire scumteam is inactive. Now I don't think he's PoEed everyone else yet, from what I recall, I believe it's a result of whoever he's rated the lowest in his latest page of analysis.
It is possible and it has certainly happened, but given the nature of scumteams on TL on average, it is unlikely. It IS likely there's one lurker, possibly two on a three-person scumteam, but all three being inactive would be extremely rare. Again, I never said this at all...
I have said that all of the people that I am currently thinking of lynching are less active. I'm not good enough to call out the scum team at this point in the game, you know that. I go lynch by lynch.
Anyway, it seems that people don't really want to lynch Stutters695 today, so I suppose I will accept that. The Shining looks like a fair target, but I'll take another look at Bourneq and TheBloodyDwarf.
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On April 15 2015 00:42 Half the Sky wrote:Rasputin, so you can understand me a bit better, this is the quote I take issue with: Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 12:53 Trfel wrote:
I'm pretty confident that prplhz is town here. I've read Stutters695's arguments (or at least, the posts that I believe he is referring to) and I don't find them to be all that convincing.
He's being forceful, active, and his reads have generally been good. I don't normally see all three of these traits at once from a town prplhz, so I doubt even more that he would play like this as mafia.
I can demonstrate this if necessary, but at this time I don't think that it is necessary. And prplhz can speak for himself. I'm doublechecking 1) how forceful he was and 2) the bases for his reads. When you three voted me D2, you I know believed your case against me, like your tone felt genuine, but I recall prplhz being like "I can roll with that" or something similar when he followed with his vote, so I'm backtracking to see how he progressed on other people. The other thing that doesn't add up for me is that he was hard defending Dwarf but openly telling him to be more useful. I'm sure I recall that somewhere. That just felt strange to me.
i agree that prp has fallen off but lol >< bah
i guess i'll just reread him. i was getting a strong town feel from him day 1, and i actually agree with truffle's post in the context of day 1...not so much afterwards
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