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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
April 14 2015 05:36 GMT
#1421
On April 14 2015 13:17 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2015 13:10 Trfel wrote:
I agree that The Shining/Ace1312's slot doesn't look very good, but that's mostly for activity. I'm ignoring it for now.

At the same time, I almost wonder if he could have an easier time jumping into the thread if he is scum? Scum replacements don't really have to read the thread, they can sort of make stuff up and hope to get by. Especially in a newbie game. Obviously that isn't a very effective way to play, but many people claim to play scum without reading the thread.


I don't think I agree with this at all. People are asking you stuff since you're here. If he showed up people will be asking him stuff too.

In my 2nd game a newbie (I don't remember the name of it, but you were nightkilled N1 trfel in it) There was a replacement scum Scott1313371234123541235 for Gumdrops. Gum made 2 posts and was replaced. Scott's entrance was a thread sentiment list post with nice little links to the post for each player that expressed his read. He HAD to show us he read the thread and was eventually caught up. He would have died right then.

Same with you, you HAVE to show you've read town or mafia. Like, you get leeway but not a pardon.

This is a real good post.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
April 14 2015 05:37 GMT
#1422
On April 14 2015 14:00 Trfel wrote:
So far, I'm not impressed with TheBloodyDwarf at all. His play is clearly not towny, there is no question of that. I guess I could see him being a stubborn SC2 Mafia player who is new to a forum mafia environment. But then, he clearly stated, in bold, that this isn't SC2 mafia. From there, I expected to see him attempting to play the forum mafia style (not necessarily succeeding, just attempting). And I haven't seen that at all yet.

His late vote without explanation pushed him from null to scum lean.

My current lynch pool is as follows (no particular order):
TheBloodyDwarf, Stutters695, The Shining, and Bourneq

Is this guy scum? I really want to lynch him.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 14 2015 05:38 GMT
#1423
On April 14 2015 14:37 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2015 14:00 Trfel wrote:
So far, I'm not impressed with TheBloodyDwarf at all. His play is clearly not towny, there is no question of that. I guess I could see him being a stubborn SC2 Mafia player who is new to a forum mafia environment. But then, he clearly stated, in bold, that this isn't SC2 mafia. From there, I expected to see him attempting to play the forum mafia style (not necessarily succeeding, just attempting). And I haven't seen that at all yet.

His late vote without explanation pushed him from null to scum lean.

My current lynch pool is as follows (no particular order):
TheBloodyDwarf, Stutters695, The Shining, and Bourneq

Is this guy scum? I really want to lynch him.


probably not, but first, why do you want to lynch him? lol
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 05:38 GMT
#1424
On April 14 2015 14:37 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2015 14:00 Trfel wrote:
So far, I'm not impressed with TheBloodyDwarf at all. His play is clearly not towny, there is no question of that. I guess I could see him being a stubborn SC2 Mafia player who is new to a forum mafia environment. But then, he clearly stated, in bold, that this isn't SC2 mafia. From there, I expected to see him attempting to play the forum mafia style (not necessarily succeeding, just attempting). And I haven't seen that at all yet.

His late vote without explanation pushed him from null to scum lean.

My current lynch pool is as follows (no particular order):
TheBloodyDwarf, Stutters695, The Shining, and Bourneq

Is this guy scum? I really want to lynch him.
Try me. I dare you.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 14 2015 05:45 GMT
#1425
On April 14 2015 13:58 Breshke wrote:
Stutters if you had one read you were most sure of who would it be and what do you think their alignment is? I don't need a reason.

prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 14 2015 06:07 GMT
#1426
##Vote Bourneq

lets get started. depending on a lot of things i might not be around for deadline.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 14 2015 06:07 GMT
#1427
i'm not going to lynch dwarf today.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 14 2015 06:08 GMT
#1428
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 14 2015 06:08 GMT
#1429
AW

http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
April 14 2015 06:18 GMT
#1430
Vote count:

prplhz (2): Stutters695, jarjarbinks
Bourneq (1): prplhz
Half the Sky (0): prplhz, rsoultin, Tubesock
Stutters695 (0): Breshke

Not voting (8): TheBloodyDwarf, Breshke, rsoultin, Tubesock, The Shining, Bourneq, Onegu, Half the Sky

Currently, prplhz is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Tuesday, Apr 14 8:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). Voting is mandatory!

If there are errors, please let us know.


+ Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] +

VOTE: prplhz voted Half the Sky (post)
VOTE: rsoultin voted Half-the-Sky (Half the Sky) (post)
VOTE: Breshke voted Stutters (Stutters695) (post)
VOTE: Tubesock voted Half the Sky (post)
VOTE: Stutters695 voted prplhz (post)
VOTE: rsoultin unvoted Half the Sky (post)
VOTE: Breshke unvoted Stutters695 (post)
VOTE: Tubesock unvoted Half the Sky (post)
VOTE: jarjarbinks voted Prp (prplhz) (post)
WARNING: prplhz changed vote without unvote (post)
VOTE: prplhz unvoted Half the Sky (post)
VOTE: prplhz voted Bourneq (post)
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
April 14 2015 06:22 GMT
#1431
On April 14 2015 14:00 Trfel wrote:

His late vote without explanation pushed him from null to scum lean.

But I did?
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 06:24 GMT
#1432
Analysis #4: Pages 46-Present (shorter because I'm falling asleep at my computer)
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 12 2015 15:47 The Shining wrote:
Sort of. Top of page 23. At this pace, I should be caught up before EoN though, provided I don't fall asleep lol.

Nice to see you again, JJB. I came in dead set on nailing you in particular if I read you as scum at all(See: our last game together). I'm really hoping your alignment is diff this time around lol.
So, The Shining read 16 pages (320 posts) in 30 minutes? That's a post every six seconds. He's not reading very carefully at all.
On April 12 2015 16:29 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 10:48 Stutters695 wrote:
On April 11 2015 08:39 jarjarbinks wrote:
Hmm The flip flop begins lol

So I previously wasn't a huge fan of Stutters so far. I'm changing my mind.

Sure, Onegu voted Breshke before. There wasn't too much traction on him before that IMO. He made a case and it looked like he thought it was pretty good. It seems like he has been scumhunting around since then.

I expect him to show his "top four" and his reads besides Breshke. But he did just get in the game. I don't see him as lynchable right now at all.


Was wondering how long it would take someone to notice that. Was really hoping it'd be a newbie to see their reaction, but can't win them all.

Ace: obv policy lynch, nothing more. I'm less confident in seeing an increase in posting from him if we give him time, do he's my fall back if I can't get my main lynch going.

Currently I still want Breshke's head. I'm not sure how to vocalize it exactly, but he just feels off.

I still see plenty of scum mindset behind his actions and skimming his past 4 (2 scum, 2 town) games day 1 hasn't put me at ease. His play so far doesn't match either meta really. As town he has much more focus in his posts. He might change his mind, but if he saw something he didn't like (my post for example) he would challenge it until he's satisfied, not brush it off. There is also a distinct lack of interaction with the people he suspects.

His scum meta does seem to withhold reads until later, but after dying n1 and n2, I can see why he would attempt to change that. He's currently who I want to lynch.

The other two I'm really interested in are prpl and plot, but I haven't had the time to really get into them yet.

Can you rephrase that question about interactions with Onegu? If you mean us playing together, we have, but nothing notable from memory.


This post stands out to me regarding Stutters. From what I've read so far and the filters I've dove, I've got a few preliminary reads that I'd be more than willing to explain after this.

The way he mentions Ace as a "fallback" lynch just doesn't feel right. It's more of a tone read and I'm aware Ace hadn't done much before being replaced but writing off a newbie because you don't feel he'll increase in posting on D1 doesn't feel right. And I have Breshke as a town lean so naturally, it raises questions that he'd want to lynch him.

He also mentions being suspicious of plot(flipped VT) and prpl. So that's 2 town and a town lean he'd be willing to lynch, before ultimately(and effortlessly) sheeping onto plot over his poor EoD antics.

I've yet to read prpl and there's a lot more than that for me to read as well, but I'll continue trying to catch up and answer as best I can.
And this post isn't very good. His first point, about Ace1312 as a fallback policy lynch, is fair. But that isn't enough to lynch someone for. He scumreads Stutters695 for being suspicious about several of his (The Shining's) townreads, but he doesn't explain why he has these reads. And he doesn't show why the disagreement in reads is alignment indicative.
On April 12 2015 16:37 The Shining wrote:
EBWOP:

If I wasnt clear enough, I'm leaning scum on Stutters.
And the fact that he had to go back and clarify this doesn't help him. He's provided some thoughts, but nothing special, nothing unique, nothing influential, nothing that stands out, nothing memorable. All he's done is share some thoughts. He doesn't seem to be pushing anything, just providing reads for the purpose of not dying.
On April 13 2015 08:48 rsoultin wrote:
...yeah, at least someone on the scum team must know hf. problem is, at least half the players here do i think so i'm not sure how that helps
Again, this simply isn't true. Holyflare would be the nightkill here even with a scum team of three newbies who have never played with him before.

Rsoultin's comments on Half the Sky simply aren't alignment indicative. The scum motivation for that vote switch isn't there, and definitely doesn't outweigh the burden of trying to explain it. Half the Sky can go back to a slight town lean.

I like the confidence that prplhz has with regards to not being scumread. Given his level of play, it seems reasonable for him to expect to not be scumread. I'm not sure if he would act like this as town.

This is very good. However, I don't see why scum would be so willing to switch off of a town who claimed scum. He would never get lynched for mislynching plotspot here. This point makes a lot of sense if Tubesock is scum with Stutters695, but I don't want to make unflipped association reads. The most likely conclusion is that Tubesock re-evaluated without sharing with the thread, though this certainly makes him look worse. Rsoultin pointed out some missing posts, though. Still leaning town on Tubesock, definitely, just not as much as before.

Ugh, I'm super sleepy. I skimmed up to the point where I replaced in. Sorry this isn't particularly detailed. Good night.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 06:24 GMT
#1433
On April 14 2015 15:22 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2015 14:00 Trfel wrote:

His late vote without explanation pushed him from null to scum lean.

But I did?
If you explained it, I missed it. I'll take a look tomorrow.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 14 2015 06:50 GMT
#1434
On April 14 2015 15:22 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2015 14:00 Trfel wrote:

His late vote without explanation pushed him from null to scum lean.

But I did?

stop being useless?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Bourneq
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden800 Posts
April 14 2015 10:52 GMT
#1435
Hello everybody, I am sorry for my absence yesterday I was swamped with school and a meeting. Came home for my raid time and then went straight to bed. I am reading up now but there is lots!
Bourneq
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden800 Posts
April 14 2015 11:33 GMT
#1436
So not much has happened whilst I was gone for what I can see from a quick read through. More replacements and back on the old burn bourneq bandwagon.


What I wonder is how TBD can justify not doing anything what so ever to help town in any way shape or form? I can only justify it with a scum read. I was hopin to get some reads from him today but all I got was
On April 11 2015 23:45 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 22:32 rsoultin wrote:
O.o

Tube moving up lol but dude i think you may be high on something xP not a huge fan of narratives anyway. yours at least had me laughing?

dwarf could you please give reads? even if you like arent sure on any of them?

prp read is in part knowing him but mostly the nature of his posts. hes aggressive, has made some sharp comments/observations, and his reads adapt to what is going on in the thread rather than remaining static lol

you...returning to prp scumread after its poinyed out that you seemed to drop it, plus some of those posts that are pure commentary...id be happy to lynch you today >< what do you think about that?

I dont find anybody really suspicious..

Stutters695. Checking his filter and I mostly see questions. Looks like he doesn't really have own opinion but is asking others what do they think.

btw, I dont like you Tubesock, you have been chasing me from the beginning

##Vote thebloodydwarf

There is a lot of talk about stutters. Top of page 2 of his filter he says "Assume I'm town for a second(you'll see why d2)."
and I have yet too see why. There is still quite a few hours left so I am interested in what he has got for us.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 14 2015 11:52 GMT
#1437
Good afternoon Bourneq.

Last night I did a VCA (vote count analysis) starting with the people I felt looked most suspicious. You were one of the most likely though I still need to look into the "less" suspicious individuals, but looking through you, my biggest beef with you was not your activity, but that you appeared to jump reads. The 15 hour gap between you wanting dwarf and Ace (now Shining) gone and then thread sentiment swung plotspot's way made me assess whether you were going along with the crowd when you'd been able to keep your options open by casing him earlier.

I can see where you cased plotspot before and after ranking your scumreads, but Rasputin did point out ONE redeeming quote where you seemed to have original content and thought on prplhz.

If you can answer the questions that I (and I know a few others posed for you) I think it would help greatly. Also if you can clarify where you stand on prplhz given his activity/etc D2, that would also help greatly.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 14 2015 11:57 GMT
#1438
I don't think Stutters should be considered scum after what I answered last night. We have a number of players here that are lurking and the fact that Stutters has picked up activity and is known to be a low-postcount high content player (there aren't too many of them on TL, but they exist) his activity would make sense in that context. There are also players D1 (e.g. VayneAuthority, kushm4sta) that are infamous for not wanting to do jack all first day, so it's not out of the question that this is his normal play.

He did clarify his meta points on prplhz (which I'll admit I did not get to last night before I had to go to bed). His explanations for pulling off Breshke/prplhz make sense and voting plotspot makes sense when he cannot distinguish between scum claiming scum and townies giving up. He said he's seen it "so many times" and I checked the database - he does have an extensive amount of experience. Finally what appears to be his most redeeming quality is his conviction on prplhz.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 14 2015 11:58 GMT
#1439
EBWOP - English fail. First sentence should read:

I don't think Stutters should be considered scum after what I asked last night.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 14 2015 11:59 GMT
#1440
Bourneq, below is my case on you.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=64#1274

On April 14 2015 09:19 Half the Sky wrote:
Following what I just posted on Bourneq I need to know why

1 He didn't name his two scumreads when prompted by Stutters
2 What made plotspot the most likely scum when 15 hours before TBD was the most likely scum and he was AFK that time.
3 Why push a policy lynch over any of his scum lynches.

1 and 2 being the more of the important questions IMO.


Those are the questions I was referring to.

I'm out the next two hours for meetings, but will be back.
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