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On April 11 2015 23:00 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 13:52 rsoultin wrote:On April 11 2015 10:48 Stutters695 wrote:On April 11 2015 08:39 jarjarbinks wrote:
Hmm The flip flop begins lol
So I previously wasn't a huge fan of Stutters so far. I'm changing my mind.
Sure, Onegu voted Breshke before. There wasn't too much traction on him before that IMO. He made a case and it looked like he thought it was pretty good. It seems like he has been scumhunting around since then.
I expect him to show his "top four" and his reads besides Breshke. But he did just get in the game. I don't see him as lynchable right now at all. Was wondering how long it would take someone to notice that. Was really hoping it'd be a newbie to see their reaction, but can't win them all. [...] The other two I'm really interested in are prpl and plot, but I haven't had the time to really get into them yet. [...] i realize that you haven't looked into them yet, but there must be some reason you're interested in prp and plot. mind sharing? Prp has a very distinct scum meta. Off of memory, this reminds me of out but I'm just not going to have time to compare it and the last time I played with him was close to a year ago I think. Plot I'll type up once I go on a smoke break but I'm at work atm.
On April 12 2015 02:03 Stutters695 wrote:
##vote: plotspot
Generally if you're claiming scum you post a baby seal, but this works too I guess.
timestamps has the difference at 3 hours and he said he was at work, HTS...like lol sure he could be lying about that but i don't see why it's the tipping point?
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On April 13 2015 09:42 Half the Sky wrote:
I've returned. Catching up.
Reading the last few comments there are a few things that need clarified.
1 Vote change happened very close to EoD with not much time to deliberate. I think I voted with 2 minutes left. Not much time to convey "enthusiasm" aside from what went into my vote. I weighed heavily whether I should switch.
2 Back of my mind, there were too many people on plotspot. That had me antsy. The fact that there weren't many people around, before I realised it was a Saturday night, made me wonder if people had afked the vote. I know the pile on happened when I was asleep.
3 This point is for Rasputin.
The 15h point that I made against Stutters was not because it was 15h between posts that he voted. The 15 hours point was used to justify that Stutters was unlikely to have been deliberating his vote on plotspot and that the vote came out of the blue.
prplhz said that his vote came out of the blue and scumread him for that IIRC. I questioned that asking why he was eliminating the possibility that a scumclaim could have made his life easier in the middle of deliberation. Only when I further looked closely at Stutters' filter, did I notice the 15 hour gap. He said he'd look into plot. Then gap. Then boom. "Scumclaim, voted" (paraphrasing)
Are you following my logic?
i'll take it into consideration? none of your explanation is actually reflected in your posting at the time, though xP like i never saw any mention of the number of people on plot...in fact you seemed more sold on plot with that giant case than you were on stutters
nowhere in your posts did it remotely suggest that you thought plot might be town? can you tell me why you thought that, or was it just the number of votes on him?
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Partially the number of votes on him and particularly reading these two from prp:
On April 12 2015 04:45 prplhz wrote:
it just seems to easy to go in here and quote every other post and say "wtf"
big text wall on me saying nothing and then jumping on plotspot
same with stutters, don't like the way he's going on plotspot. says he wants to make a post, then doesn't and just half arsedly bandwagons.
but i don't really know if i can lynch plotspot. he is around and he is sort of defending himself in his own way but again it's a super bad way. it's like he's super mad at town for getting lynched (keeps saying he hopes scum wins) even when given outs (me and rso both said he should defend himself and that it's not over yet). this dumb stubborness just seems more likely to come from town than scum.
i also don't think my original points hold up about how he wanted the threads approval for changing his vote and then when i push him to change to bourneq he refuses. whatever he's thinking he's certainly not thinking "i need to change this dumb alphabetical vote". now he also just said "i just noticed in my filter that it's impossible to see what i'm talking about when i don't quote people", looks like he's going over his own filter and sees townie things but he's just resigned and doesn't want to explain them so he's just taking "i need to quote posts or nobody knows what i'm talking about" with him to next game.
like it seems like he thinks he's town, he thinks he can show he is town, but he doesn't give a fuck.
On April 12 2015 05:13 prplhz wrote:
it's just like stutters has not exactly been noticable this game. then he comes in here, sees people are looking at plot, says "gonna look at plot and write something" and then he just votes him for claiming scum. seems exceedingly lazy and uninterested. no i don't think that looks natural, it looks like he's thinking "guess i'll vote for the current bandwagon for whatever reason i can find in his latest post".
some people are all "he's martyring, lynch him!" but that's just bad play. dunno if it's how stutters play and i'm not going to check his database entry for any fervent anti-martyrism.
Also besides the votes was the realisation that after I looked through Stutters and agreed that I didn't like what I saw from him for D1, I was scumreading BOTH Stutters and plotspot, and that Stutters had voted plotspot. That's when the question of him bussing plotspot (which I know I mentioned somewhere) and the likeliness of both of them being scum popped up.
Was it a snap decision? Yes. I can understand why the lack of reflection might be troubling, but it was in those last few minutes a lightbulb popped in my head.
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well i do see some lack of enthusiasm as well. i was hoping that you'd do something for the lynch after i went for a run but you just sat around and then voted 2 mins before deadline. breshke had shown up and said "no" at that point so plotspot was pretty dead, don't know why you waited for that before changing your vote.
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That all being said, I want to take a closer look at the votes.
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On April 13 2015 10:05 prplhz wrote:
well i do see some lack of enthusiasm as well. i was hoping that you'd do something for the lynch after i went for a run but you just sat around and then voted 2 mins before deadline. breshke had shown up and said "no" at that point so plotspot was pretty dead, don't know why you waited for that before changing your vote.
Not many people around. Bourneq already said he wasn't switching. Neither was Breshke.
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EBWOP - Dwarf was around, he switched, Tube switched, you afked. Breshke I know said wasn't switching as he didn't have the time to reevaluate.
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Yep, Bourneq wasn't switching either.
On April 12 2015 05:52 Bourneq wrote:
Plot still seems like the obvious lynch to me. Stutters is certinatly a suspect but I see no reason in keeping plot around.
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what's really bugging me, hts, is both of those posts from prp came before your long post on why you thought plot was town
On April 12 2015 05:52 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 23:24 plotspot wrote:Oh yeah why not. First of all people who are town and want to lynch me are overanalyzing my style of writing too much, since they have little experience with it. UNLESS you're mafia then you're of course playing the confused town, you're PLAYING the GAME. Congrats. 2nd I don't have any reads, as I think anyone is potentially suspicious and not at the same time. It's not certain enough for me to make any calls at the moment. Oh yeah is this suspicious? 50% of the people would think yes, 50% no. Yeah I'm calling the percentages.^^ Instead ask what other people think about you. From this thread I know that Half the Sky and Soren think I'm town. Many other people are unsure as to my aligment and a few people lean towards me as scum, but none are 100% sure I am scum. On April 10 2015 07:58 Soren333 wrote:On April 10 2015 06:43 plotspot wrote:
Ok, now that the roles are out for everyone. How are we going to drag the opponents out of the shadows? Haven't read any suspicious things or anything that gives away anything. Poking with words in the shadows will really help? Town read as this newbie is trying to learn how to scum hunt. He will probably tell you now that he changed his opinion, due to progressed "interaction". Half the Sky provided some reasoning as to why she doesn't necessarily know that I'm town. But I'm not convinced. Based on the following post she thinks I think Onegu might be scum, although the reason I make this spontaneous post is because he was a disruptive element to the game by not paying attention, it doesn't matter what alignment he was. On April 10 2015 08:12 plotspot wrote:
I'm considering changing my vote to Onegu. He's playing like a fucktard. But of course I'm still not sure whether it's his strategy or him inadvertently not "getting" some of the things. Well we have 11 other users here. Would you all agree that this post is 100% indicative of me implying Onegu is scum? If not than it's a conclusion only reached by Half the Sky, no matter how well-phrased her explanations are that it comes from the post and not from some hidden knowledge. Anyway, if Half the Sky is town, you have to protect her to the very end, otherwise eliminate her now. I agree with Rasputin that this post is awful. I'll point out what bothers me: 1 First paragraph - again sounds like dissausion, and funny that it comes after some of us forming reads based on his wording. 2 HATE that first sentence in second paragraph. 2nd I don't have any reads, as I think anyone is potentially suspicious and not at the same time. Like that's an excuse to not make reads. Of course there's more than one way of scumhunting so I move to his next paragraph to see if what he says DOES make sense.... Instead ask what other people think about you. From this thread I know that Half the Sky and Soren think I'm town. Many other people are unsure as to my aligment and a few people lean towards me as scum, but none are 100% sure I am scum.Using the word "instead" makes me think he's using this as a way to scumhunt, but where are the conclusions? 3 His followup on Soren. He will probably tell you now that he changed his opinion, due to progressed "interaction". Half the Sky provided some reasoning as to why she doesn't necessarily know that I'm town. But I'm not convinced. Based on the following post she thinks I think Onegu might be scum, although the reason I make this spontaneous post is because he was a disruptive element to the game by not paying attention, it doesn't matter what alignment he was.I disagree with this on many fronts. Reads SHOULD change if there's new evidence. Don't like it? Dispute it. And Onegu was disruptive only to you - to me, I knew better, and others probably just ignored it. I know Rasputin said she was uncomforable with him but IIRC that was on different evidence. I'm just smelling mafia agenda from this. And I don't know how it isn't.
and you further go on to say that you think both look scummy with four minutes left?
On April 12 2015 05:56 Half the Sky wrote:
Breshke - look at Stutters filter. I haven't switched yet. One page. Mostly asking questions. He's stopping short of conclusions.
He also voted plotspot and prplhz thinks that plotspot is martyring.
I don't like either of plotspot or Stutters to be honest. But I can only vote one.
i find it hard to believe that those posts from prp convinced you ><
then there's this post:
On April 12 2015 05:58 Half the Sky wrote:
Stutters voted plotspot. Would someone bus someone this early in a newbie game?
He's a veteran, but probably not.
##unvote
##vote stutters695
which honestly is the only reason i'm not voting you right this second, given your explanation just now actually makes this post make more sense than how i was reading it, cause otherwise i don't know how you come to the conclusion that stutters is not bussing and then vote him
the problem is, hts, your explanation is completely after-the-fact and not really supported by your posting except this very last one
where do you stand on stutters now?
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can anybody show me one single reason to think bourneq is town, one single incident of him trying to win the game for town? that would really help me.
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man this hts business is super complicated.
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On April 13 2015 10:06 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 10:05 prplhz wrote:
well i do see some lack of enthusiasm as well. i was hoping that you'd do something for the lynch after i went for a run but you just sat around and then voted 2 mins before deadline. breshke had shown up and said "no" at that point so plotspot was pretty dead, don't know why you waited for that before changing your vote. Not many people around. Bourneq already said he wasn't switching. Neither was Breshke.
so because ppl weren't going to vote for stutters you decided to switch your vote with two minutes left? ><
lol my bs meter is going off, hts
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meh i totally agree and that's why i poked it. why change 2 mins before deadline. it has no practical effect so it's something you do just to look different and townies don't care about that.
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@rso who are you looking at besides hts?
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On April 13 2015 10:12 prplhz wrote:
man this hts business is super complicated.
it's actually quite simple, prp ^^
hts drug her feet on the lynch, then voted on a wagon at the last minute that absolutely was not going to be lynched
like, it doesn't even matter what stutters' alignment is? her vote switch makes no sense from a townie perspective. she didn't argue or push people to switch to stutters when she did, didn't make it clear that she no longer thought plotspot was town...if stutters is scum he's not getting lynched and she looks good later if he flips and she was on his wagon. if he's town she looks good for not mislynching him
what does she achieve as town though? absolutely nothing
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she drug her feet???
that's how she's able to run half marathons
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anyway it's not that simple because townies change votes at last minute too. but this time it just had zero purpose, she agrees to that herself.
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it's also super easy to just call plot town when he's about to flip and then line stutters up for tomorrow.
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sorry typing too fast again lol ><
hts looks good for not mislynching plot
well, honestly prp, i'm waiting on this magic stutters promised xP cause no, he doesn't look particularly good, though i would place him nullish more than anything
i also need to revisit the case(s)? on you cause i only skimmed them earlier and noticed some posts taken out of context so discarded it at the time
dwarf i don't really want to vote so much for his previous posting, but no reads is bugging me
gonna give shining a bit of time to get readjusted, but he looks okay for just entering the thread
onegu i'm actually thinking is probably town for the ruckus he was making at EoD lol...demanding people stay on plot isn't good for his image if he's scum, though i guess if stutters is scum that point is weaker
i really want bresh to talk to me about hts >< i view bresh and truffle as good foils when i start worrying at something like a dog with a bone...it's concerning me a little that he's not engaging me more
where you at, prp?
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##Vote Half the Sky
i can roll with this for now
@onegu where you at? you coming down or something?
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