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prplhz
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Breshke
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On April 12 2015 11:28 Stutters695 wrote: If I'm town, what do I gain from the vote like that? If I'm scum what do I gain? Assume I'm town for a second(you'll see why d2). Prpl tries to switch the wagon onto me. From a scum perspective: He mislynches me (I get harder to mislynch as the game goes on generally) and leaves him with 1/2 (depending on Dwarf's alignment) easy-ish mislynches at the cost of looking slightly worse for my mislynch. Do you think that would be a risk he'd take as scum from playing scum with him? I am really interested what stutters means by the bolded.. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
...yeah, at least someone on the scum team must know hf. problem is, at least half the players here do i think so i'm not sure how that helps there's also the possibility that soren was the kill and scum team just wasn't around to change it? it's been a pretty sleepy day. i think prp and i were the only ones not strong townreading soren, so that kinda makes sense? | ||
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rsoultin
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On April 13 2015 08:48 Breshke wrote: I am really interested what stutters means by the bolded.. lol i had a theory that i'm not sharing >< sounds like you may have the same one, bresh | ||
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Breshke
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On April 13 2015 08:49 rsoultin wrote: lol i had a theory that i'm not sharing >< sounds like you may have the same one, bresh Yeah i guess we wait and see what stutters says first? I was scum leaning on soren but it mustn't have been that strong because i had to actually go back and look at my own filter to remember why. Also Rso before when we were talking about people that could have been bussing stutters if he is actually mafia you listed HTS as one i believe? (if this is wrong ignore the rest of this) The reason was she was the least committed to it i actually disagree with that because being around at the time it really felt like HTS wanted me to consider stutters and change my vote which would have brought him dangerously close to being lynched. I don't really remember being swayed by any of the others. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On April 13 2015 08:58 Breshke wrote: Yeah i guess we wait and see what stutters says first? I was scum leaning on soren but it mustn't have been that strong because i had to actually go back and look at my own filter to remember why. Also Rso before when we were talking about people that could have been bussing stutters if he is actually mafia you listed HTS as one i believe? (if this is wrong ignore the rest of this) The reason was she was the least committed to it i actually disagree with that because being around at the time it really felt like HTS wanted me to consider stutters and change my vote which would have brought him dangerously close to being lynched. I don't really remember being swayed by any of the others. yeah? it was the impression i got while skimming...prp and tube seemed very convinced dwarf was town, but hts was late to the game? i don't know i could be misremembering. give me a sec | ||
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prplhz
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On April 13 2015 09:01 rsoultin wrote: yeah? it was the impression i got while skimming...prp and tube seemed very convinced dwarf was town, but hts was late to the game? i don't know i could be misremembering. give me a sec how can you think tube is convinced dwarf is town -_- | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On April 13 2015 09:01 rsoultin wrote: yeah? it was the impression i got while skimming...prp and tube seemed very convinced dwarf was town, but hts was late to the game? i don't know i could be misremembering. give me a sec Dwarf? do you mean plot? | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On April 12 2015 05:52 Half the Sky wrote: I agree with Rasputin that this post is awful. I'll point out what bothers me: 1 First paragraph - again sounds like dissausion, and funny that it comes after some of us forming reads based on his wording. 2 HATE that first sentence in second paragraph. 2nd I don't have any reads, as I think anyone is potentially suspicious and not at the same time. Like that's an excuse to not make reads. Of course there's more than one way of scumhunting so I move to his next paragraph to see if what he says DOES make sense.... Instead ask what other people think about you. From this thread I know that Half the Sky and Soren think I'm town. Many other people are unsure as to my aligment and a few people lean towards me as scum, but none are 100% sure I am scum. Using the word "instead" makes me think he's using this as a way to scumhunt, but where are the conclusions? 3 His followup on Soren. He will probably tell you now that he changed his opinion, due to progressed "interaction". Half the Sky provided some reasoning as to why she doesn't necessarily know that I'm town. But I'm not convinced. Based on the following post she thinks I think Onegu might be scum, although the reason I make this spontaneous post is because he was a disruptive element to the game by not paying attention, it doesn't matter what alignment he was. I disagree with this on many fronts. Reads SHOULD change if there's new evidence. Don't like it? Dispute it. And Onegu was disruptive only to you - to me, I knew better, and others probably just ignored it. I know Rasputin said she was uncomforable with him but IIRC that was on different evidence. I'm just smelling mafia agenda from this. And I don't know how it isn't. nah i think you need to take a look at her filter, bresh she does say she doesn't like stutters, but her huge case is on plot, and she only votes in the last 5 mins or so on stutters :/ i'm not even sure where the flip comes from, tbh On April 12 2015 05:55 Half the Sky wrote: prplhz for whatever reason isn't convinced. He had concerns on Stutters (which I sorta agree with, also along with Dwarf who said all he was doing was asking questions) and Soren (whom I still have to look into). Stutters seemed like a reasonable lynch, one page filter which hasn't done much or driven things forward. Ace/Shining is a policy lynch. There are two votes on Stutters. There are 5 minutes left. Who else is around? it's like she's okay with the lynch? but doesn't really pursue it. even when she brings stutters to your attention, bresh, it reads pretty non-commital to me On April 12 2015 05:56 Half the Sky wrote: Breshke - look at Stutters filter. I haven't switched yet. One page. Mostly asking questions. He's stopping short of conclusions. He also voted plotspot and prplhz thinks that plotspot is martyring. I don't like either of plotspot or Stutters to be honest. But I can only vote one. then the vote switch only comes two minutes before EoD. tbh i don't like this progression regardless of stutters' alignment. she doesn't do it soon enough to get him lynched, and regardless she doesn't seem to care which player gets lynched to begin with On April 12 2015 05:58 Half the Sky wrote: Stutters voted plotspot. Would someone bus someone this early in a newbie game? He's a veteran, but probably not. ##unvote ##vote stutters695 | ||
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rsoultin
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On April 13 2015 09:04 prplhz wrote: how can you think tube is convinced dwarf is town -_- lol typing too fast of course i meant plot, prp xP | ||
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rsoultin
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says she doesn't like both, wonders aloud if stutters is bussing, concludes he isn't cause he's a vet, then switches to him too late? lol >< | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On April 12 2015 05:35 Half the Sky wrote: Oh shit....just read Stutters' filter now, and I see where both Dwarf and prplhz are coming from. His posts aren't exactly driving discussion. Also I looked at the timestamps of when Stutters said he'll look into plotspot and when he voted him. 15 hours and change. So my previous possibility of "being in the middle of analysis" is off the table. On April 12 2015 05:38 Half the Sky wrote: I could be down for shennaning on him but I'm still not feeling good about plotspot. I'll illustrate another case that irks me on plotspot. I feel like you ened to look at these two earlier posts aswell though because it explains why she made another case on plot. Also that first post is seemingly what kicked prplhz to actually vote for stutters which then also caused tube to to try save plot. I feel like that would be a really strange post going into near deadline with someone that most of the thread thought had basically claimed scum. I get what you mean about the switch too late thing but im willing to give some benefit of the doubt because there didn't seem to be many people around and the people that were did not seem interested in switching. | ||
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prplhz
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prplhz
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On April 13 2015 09:19 Breshke wrote: I feel like you ened to look at these two earlier posts aswell though because it explains why she made another case on plot. Also that first post is seemingly what kicked prplhz to actually vote for stutters which then also caused tube to to try save plot. I feel like that would be a really strange post going into near deadline with someone that most of the thread thought had basically claimed scum. I get what you mean about the switch too late thing but im willing to give some benefit of the doubt because there didn't seem to be many people around and the people that were did not seem interested in switching. okay, yeah, i see what you're saying given the context of the thread; her comments did spark the votes from prp and tube On April 12 2015 05:13 prplhz wrote: it's just like stutters has not exactly been noticable this game. then he comes in here, sees people are looking at plot, says "gonna look at plot and write something" and then he just votes him for claiming scum. seems exceedingly lazy and uninterested. no i don't think that looks natural, it looks like he's thinking "guess i'll vote for the current bandwagon for whatever reason i can find in his latest post". some people are all "he's martyring, lynch him!" but that's just bad play. dunno if it's how stutters play and i'm not going to check his database entry for any fervent anti-martyrism. prp seemed to be the one pushing the lynch, though, and as soon as hts agreed stutters looked bad for the vote, prp and tube vote and then she says oh wait but this is what i don't like about plot? i'm just not getting the feel from her filter that stutters was who she wanted to push, then boom, vote change actually just read page 45...maybe 44-45/46 maybe i'm reading too much into it or it's my lack of emotional intelligence again >< lol but i just don't see any enthusiasm for the stutters lynch there | ||
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rsoultin
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prp decided to make a random comment on stutters...i'm assuming based on old games? and is ignoring the posts on hts entirely, and silence from bresh tell me why i'm out there, or why you guys don't seem to care? do you have an opinion, prp? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
not yet but i'm reading your posts, i was just focusing on stutters. | ||
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Half the Sky
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Reading the last few comments there are a few things that need clarified. 1 Vote change happened very close to EoD with not much time to deliberate. I think I voted with 2 minutes left. Not much time to convey "enthusiasm" aside from what went into my vote. I weighed heavily whether I should switch. 2 Back of my mind, there were too many people on plotspot. That had me antsy. The fact that there weren't many people around, before I realised it was a Saturday night, made me wonder if people had afked the vote. I know the pile on happened when I was asleep. 3 This point is for Rasputin. The 15h point that I made against Stutters was not because it was 15h between posts that he voted. The 15 hours point was used to justify that Stutters was unlikely to have been deliberating his vote on plotspot and that the vote came out of the blue. prplhz said that his vote came out of the blue and scumread him for that IIRC. I questioned that asking why he was eliminating the possibility that a scumclaim could have made his life easier in the middle of deliberation. Only when I further looked closely at Stutters' filter, did I notice the 15 hour gap. He said he'd look into plot. Then gap. Then boom. "Scumclaim, voted" (paraphrasing) Are you following my logic? | ||
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Half the Sky
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