On April 13 2015 10:25 prplhz wrote: okay are you seriously considering me for scum?
seriously as in seriously think you are? no...i really don't believe this is within your scum range, though you weren't really interacting much during the night phase
considering that i should actually read the cases against you instead of just assuming i'm right? xP yeah
I'm trying to consider all worlds here. Do note that I have not taken a good look at either of Shining or JJB's filters yet.
Possible scum votes: 1 Ace/Shining - an isolated vote, general rule of thumb 2 Likely two votes on the plotspot wagon 3 Likely one vote on the Stutters wagon
For #2 I'm thinking one or both votes had to have come late in the game when people thought plotspot was likely to be lynched. This reinforces the possibility of Stutters being a guilty party or Bourneq. I need to take a closer look at their timestamps and what they were saying/thinking at the time they voted. Also didn't see much reaction from Bourneq at all post-lynch. The only other person I will admit I have not taken a closer look at is JJB, largely because I haven't been able to interact with him all game.
For #3 I'm thinking back to my Godfather game as to who in this group wants to look good counterwagoning if there was any such player. prplhz had the martyring argument, and Tube had his reasoning that he seemed to genuinely believe in.
If I had to pick a scum in this wagon, I'd say Dwarf. When I see this:
On April 13 2015 03:12 Tubesock wrote: The vote was 6-2 until 12:55 favoring Plotspot. It had Prplhz and I on Stutters695.
at 12:55 TheBloodyDwarf voted Stutters695. That post only had the vote in it. His previous post was at 9:50 talking about how he loves me. For the record I buy the :D vs explanation. Buuuuuttttttt still no scumhunting....
There were people around talking a couple hours prior to EoD. It was not a dead thread.
Possible explanations:
1. lurking about waiting to see how the vote goes. Sees a counterwagon on Stutters and goes for it. Regardless of Stutters alignment I think Dwarf could make this vote. Now that it's 20 some hours after, I see the actual numbers and think that he probably knew what the vote count was and realized that Stutters is safe from being lynched. There were 4 minutes left, when he voted. Not much time to drop that many votes.
Stutters can be town or mafia in this position. It doesn't matter. But TheBloodyDwarf sees a reason to move to him as there was a shenany. And of course I think this is a mindfuckTube game.
2. He could have legitimately realized he needed to vote and placed it. Why did he wait? Why not at 9:50 when he said his only scum read was Stutters695? Why'd he wait till 4 minutes left in the day?
How aware are you guys of the deadline? I mean I will vote somewhat early if I am out and about and can potentially miss the deadline. I get it that if I KNOW I'll be around and don't have any real life things scheduled that placing that vote isn't so important. But I'll be in the thread. I would NEVER have 2 posts in 3 hours prior to deadline if I was there the entire time.
Anyway, I'm going to dive Stutters deeper. I probably shouldn't scum him because he thinks 2 of my top towns are scum.
Well, there is no way to prove this but since this post I decided to vote for Stutter
Tube moving up lol but dude i think you may be high on something xP not a huge fan of narratives anyway. yours at least had me laughing?
dwarf could you please give reads? even if you like arent sure on any of them?
prp read is in part knowing him but mostly the nature of his posts. hes aggressive, has made some sharp comments/observations, and his reads adapt to what is going on in the thread rather than remaining static lol
you...returning to prp scumread after its poinyed out that you seemed to drop it, plus some of those posts that are pure commentary...id be happy to lynch you today >< what do you think about that?
I dont find anybody really suspicious..
Stutters695. Checking his filter and I mostly see questions. Looks like he doesn't really have own opinion but is asking others what do they think.
btw, I dont like you Tubesock, you have been chasing me from the beginning
Before this I was going to vote for Ace.
Last time I checked thread was ~21:00 and went to play heroes I was checking clock after games but I still almost forgot to vote
Why I didnt vote before 21:00? I wanted to see if anything new comes up.
Particularly the timestamp he realised it, compared to prplhz, it makes him all the more likely to be the scum. Furthermore, whilst he might be newb, he could very be newb scum, which is what I'm starting to feel after looking through his filter. A lot of emphasis on how he's used to SC2 mafia play. At least that's the impression I'm getting.
On April 13 2015 10:15 prplhz wrote: meh i totally agree and that's why i poked it. why change 2 mins before deadline. it has no practical effect so it's something you do just to look different and townies don't care about that.
On April 13 2015 10:20 prplhz wrote: anyway it's not that simple because townies change votes at last minute too. but this time it just had zero purpose, she agrees to that herself.
Which means, based on your previous quote I should be town right? I put my thought process out there, and I didn't care about looking good. If I'd wanted to look good, I would have stayed on plotspot with all the rest of the votes on him, but I still kept considering all possibilities.
Also for Rasputin, this isn't the first time I've deliberated things like this between two people and voted town. I know I was third party in JOAT, but this follows the same premise. Deliberated like crazy, looked through filters between the two vote candidates (Sandroba and SL in that case) and ultimately voted on town. Just saying.
"hmm this is way too late for town to lynch stutters, bourneq doesn't want to, breshke doesn't want to, people aren't really around, it's 2 mins to deadline. i think i'm going to switch."
On April 13 2015 10:10 rsoultin wrote: what's really bugging me, hts, is both of those posts from prp came before your long post on why you thought plot was town
On April 11 2015 23:24 plotspot wrote: Oh yeah why not. First of all people who are town and want to lynch me are overanalyzing my style of writing too much, since they have little experience with it. UNLESS you're mafia then you're of course playing the confused town, you're PLAYING the GAME. Congrats.
2nd I don't have any reads, as I think anyone is potentially suspicious and not at the same time. It's not certain enough for me to make any calls at the moment. Oh yeah is this suspicious? 50% of the people would think yes, 50% no. Yeah I'm calling the percentages.^^
Instead ask what other people think about you. From this thread I know that Half the Sky and Soren think I'm town. Many other people are unsure as to my aligment and a few people lean towards me as scum, but none are 100% sure I am scum.
On April 10 2015 07:58 Soren333 wrote:
On April 10 2015 06:43 plotspot wrote: Ok, now that the roles are out for everyone. How are we going to drag the opponents out of the shadows? Haven't read any suspicious things or anything that gives away anything. Poking with words in the shadows will really help?
Town read as this newbie is trying to learn how to scum hunt.
He will probably tell you now that he changed his opinion, due to progressed "interaction". Half the Sky provided some reasoning as to why she doesn't necessarily know that I'm town. But I'm not convinced. Based on the following post she thinks I think Onegu might be scum, although the reason I make this spontaneous post is because he was a disruptive element to the game by not paying attention, it doesn't matter what alignment he was.
On April 10 2015 08:12 plotspot wrote: I'm considering changing my vote to Onegu. He's playing like a fucktard. But of course I'm still not sure whether it's his strategy or him inadvertently not "getting" some of the things.
Well we have 11 other users here. Would you all agree that this post is 100% indicative of me implying Onegu is scum? If not than it's a conclusion only reached by Half the Sky, no matter how well-phrased her explanations are that it comes from the post and not from some hidden knowledge. Anyway, if Half the Sky is town, you have to protect her to the very end, otherwise eliminate her now.
I agree with Rasputin that this post is awful. I'll point out what bothers me:
1 First paragraph - again sounds like dissausion, and funny that it comes after some of us forming reads based on his wording.
2 HATE that first sentence in second paragraph.
2nd I don't have any reads, as I think anyone is potentially suspicious and not at the same time.
Like that's an excuse to not make reads. Of course there's more than one way of scumhunting so I move to his next paragraph to see if what he says DOES make sense....
Instead ask what other people think about you. From this thread I know that Half the Sky and Soren think I'm town. Many other people are unsure as to my aligment and a few people lean towards me as scum, but none are 100% sure I am scum.
Using the word "instead" makes me think he's using this as a way to scumhunt, but where are the conclusions?
3 His followup on Soren.
He will probably tell you now that he changed his opinion, due to progressed "interaction". Half the Sky provided some reasoning as to why she doesn't necessarily know that I'm town. But I'm not convinced. Based on the following post she thinks I think Onegu might be scum, although the reason I make this spontaneous post is because he was a disruptive element to the game by not paying attention, it doesn't matter what alignment he was.
I disagree with this on many fronts. Reads SHOULD change if there's new evidence. Don't like it? Dispute it. And Onegu was disruptive only to you - to me, I knew better, and others probably just ignored it. I know Rasputin said she was uncomforable with him but IIRC that was on different evidence.
I'm just smelling mafia agenda from this. And I don't know how it isn't.
and you further go on to say that you think both look scummy with four minutes left?
On April 12 2015 05:56 Half the Sky wrote: Breshke - look at Stutters filter. I haven't switched yet. One page. Mostly asking questions. He's stopping short of conclusions.
He also voted plotspot and prplhz thinks that plotspot is martyring.
I don't like either of plotspot or Stutters to be honest. But I can only vote one.
i find it hard to believe that those posts from prp convinced you ><
On April 12 2015 05:58 Half the Sky wrote: Stutters voted plotspot. Would someone bus someone this early in a newbie game?
He's a veteran, but probably not.
##unvote ##vote stutters695
which honestly is the only reason i'm not voting you right this second, given your explanation just now actually makes this post make more sense than how i was reading it, cause otherwise i don't know how you come to the conclusion that stutters is not bussing and then vote him
the problem is, hts, your explanation is completely after-the-fact and not really supported by your posting except this very last one
where do you stand on stutters now?
First, that long post, I didn't conclude plotspot was town. I said I didn't understand how it wasn't a mafia agenda. I concluded he was mafia.
After the fact, yes, but again, supports the fact I'm thinking hard about both candidates. The issue I had with plot concerned his wording which required more explanation.
The arguments on Stutters were quite the opposite in some regards, lack of content, and points brought up by others. The questions coming to lack of a conclusion on certain players and Stutters's vote on plotspot, that last element which made me think twice about everything. If there was more time I'd have tried pushing the issue. I did try to push Breshke, so the point about me doing nothing (at prplhz) doesn't really hold either.
On April 12 2015 05:56 Half the Sky wrote: Breshke - look at Stutters filter. I haven't switched yet. One page. Mostly asking questions. He's stopping short of conclusions.
He also voted plotspot and prplhz thinks that plotspot is martyring.
I don't like either of plotspot or Stutters to be honest. But I can only vote one.
On April 12 2015 05:57 Breshke wrote: Idk like i remember stutters making a read in me then trying to get ppl who townread me to talk about it. Seemed townie i probs wont swap.
On April 13 2015 10:15 prplhz wrote: meh i totally agree and that's why i poked it. why change 2 mins before deadline. it has no practical effect so it's something you do just to look different and townies don't care about that.
On April 13 2015 10:20 prplhz wrote: anyway it's not that simple because townies change votes at last minute too. but this time it just had zero purpose, she agrees to that herself.
Which means, based on your previous quote I should be town right? I put my thought process out there, and I didn't care about looking good. If I'd wanted to look good, I would have stayed on plotspot with all the rest of the votes on him, but I still kept considering all possibilities.
Also for Rasputin, this isn't the first time I've deliberated things like this between two people and voted town. I know I was third party in JOAT, but this follows the same premise. Deliberated like crazy, looked through filters between the two vote candidates (Sandroba and SL in that case) and ultimately voted on town. Just saying.
lol ><
htsssssss
unless you somehow know that stutters is town, this argument makes no sense xP
##vote: Half-the-Sky
i'll look into others, but i'm happy with this right now heh xP
On April 13 2015 10:10 rsoultin wrote: what's really bugging me, hts, is both of those posts from prp came before your long post on why you thought plot was town
On April 12 2015 05:52 Half the Sky wrote:
On April 11 2015 23:24 plotspot wrote: Oh yeah why not. First of all people who are town and want to lynch me are overanalyzing my style of writing too much, since they have little experience with it. UNLESS you're mafia then you're of course playing the confused town, you're PLAYING the GAME. Congrats.
2nd I don't have any reads, as I think anyone is potentially suspicious and not at the same time. It's not certain enough for me to make any calls at the moment. Oh yeah is this suspicious? 50% of the people would think yes, 50% no. Yeah I'm calling the percentages.^^
Instead ask what other people think about you. From this thread I know that Half the Sky and Soren think I'm town. Many other people are unsure as to my aligment and a few people lean towards me as scum, but none are 100% sure I am scum.
On April 10 2015 07:58 Soren333 wrote:
On April 10 2015 06:43 plotspot wrote: Ok, now that the roles are out for everyone. How are we going to drag the opponents out of the shadows? Haven't read any suspicious things or anything that gives away anything. Poking with words in the shadows will really help?
Town read as this newbie is trying to learn how to scum hunt.
He will probably tell you now that he changed his opinion, due to progressed "interaction". Half the Sky provided some reasoning as to why she doesn't necessarily know that I'm town. But I'm not convinced. Based on the following post she thinks I think Onegu might be scum, although the reason I make this spontaneous post is because he was a disruptive element to the game by not paying attention, it doesn't matter what alignment he was.
On April 10 2015 08:12 plotspot wrote: I'm considering changing my vote to Onegu. He's playing like a fucktard. But of course I'm still not sure whether it's his strategy or him inadvertently not "getting" some of the things.
Well we have 11 other users here. Would you all agree that this post is 100% indicative of me implying Onegu is scum? If not than it's a conclusion only reached by Half the Sky, no matter how well-phrased her explanations are that it comes from the post and not from some hidden knowledge. Anyway, if Half the Sky is town, you have to protect her to the very end, otherwise eliminate her now.
I agree with Rasputin that this post is awful. I'll point out what bothers me:
1 First paragraph - again sounds like dissausion, and funny that it comes after some of us forming reads based on his wording.
2 HATE that first sentence in second paragraph.
2nd I don't have any reads, as I think anyone is potentially suspicious and not at the same time.
Like that's an excuse to not make reads. Of course there's more than one way of scumhunting so I move to his next paragraph to see if what he says DOES make sense....
Instead ask what other people think about you. From this thread I know that Half the Sky and Soren think I'm town. Many other people are unsure as to my aligment and a few people lean towards me as scum, but none are 100% sure I am scum.
Using the word "instead" makes me think he's using this as a way to scumhunt, but where are the conclusions?
3 His followup on Soren.
He will probably tell you now that he changed his opinion, due to progressed "interaction". Half the Sky provided some reasoning as to why she doesn't necessarily know that I'm town. But I'm not convinced. Based on the following post she thinks I think Onegu might be scum, although the reason I make this spontaneous post is because he was a disruptive element to the game by not paying attention, it doesn't matter what alignment he was.
I disagree with this on many fronts. Reads SHOULD change if there's new evidence. Don't like it? Dispute it. And Onegu was disruptive only to you - to me, I knew better, and others probably just ignored it. I know Rasputin said she was uncomforable with him but IIRC that was on different evidence.
I'm just smelling mafia agenda from this. And I don't know how it isn't.
and you further go on to say that you think both look scummy with four minutes left?
On April 12 2015 05:56 Half the Sky wrote: Breshke - look at Stutters filter. I haven't switched yet. One page. Mostly asking questions. He's stopping short of conclusions.
He also voted plotspot and prplhz thinks that plotspot is martyring.
I don't like either of plotspot or Stutters to be honest. But I can only vote one.
i find it hard to believe that those posts from prp convinced you ><
then there's this post:
On April 12 2015 05:58 Half the Sky wrote: Stutters voted plotspot. Would someone bus someone this early in a newbie game?
He's a veteran, but probably not.
##unvote ##vote stutters695
which honestly is the only reason i'm not voting you right this second, given your explanation just now actually makes this post make more sense than how i was reading it, cause otherwise i don't know how you come to the conclusion that stutters is not bussing and then vote him
the problem is, hts, your explanation is completely after-the-fact and not really supported by your posting except this very last one
where do you stand on stutters now?
First, that long post, I didn't conclude plotspot was town. I said I didn't understand how it wasn't a mafia agenda. I concluded he was mafia.
After the fact, yes, but again, supports the fact I'm thinking hard about both candidates. The issue I had with plot concerned his wording which required more explanation.
The arguments on Stutters were quite the opposite in some regards, lack of content, and points brought up by others. The questions coming to lack of a conclusion on certain players and Stutters's vote on plotspot, that last element which made me think twice about everything. If there was more time I'd have tried pushing the issue. I did try to push Breshke, so the point about me doing nothing (at prplhz) doesn't really hold either.
On April 12 2015 05:56 Half the Sky wrote: Breshke - look at Stutters filter. I haven't switched yet. One page. Mostly asking questions. He's stopping short of conclusions.
He also voted plotspot and prplhz thinks that plotspot is martyring.
I don't like either of plotspot or Stutters to be honest. But I can only vote one.
On April 12 2015 05:57 Breshke wrote: Idk like i remember stutters making a read in me then trying to get ppl who townread me to talk about it. Seemed townie i probs wont swap.
bullshit ^^ are you deliberately missing my point now?
the point was that you made a post after prp's on why you thought he was scum, which is why it makes no sense for you to say that his posts convinced you on stutters
and that second quote you clearly weren't picking sides yet either
the post from breshke saying he wouldn't switch actually came before your vote on stutters, too
like literally nothing in this defense disproves anything i said
On April 13 2015 10:10 rsoultin wrote: what's really bugging me, hts, is both of those posts from prp came before your long post on why you thought plot was town
Uh, I know I'm not going insane here, but that's what I was responding to >_<
On April 13 2015 10:10 rsoultin wrote: what's really bugging me, hts, is both of those posts from prp came before your long post on why you thought plot was town
Uh, I know I'm not going insane here, but that's what I was responding to >_<
lol >< i am typing too damn fast
that should read scum :/ my bad
i mean it was pretty obvious in your post when you literally said that you didn't see how he wasn't mafia in your last sentence that you were scumreading him
my argument would make no sense if i thought you were townreading plot after prp made his arguments o.0 like that would actually support you switching your vote
On April 13 2015 10:52 rsoultin wrote: the point was that you made a post after prp's on why you thought he was scum, which is why it makes no sense for you to say that his posts convinced you on stutters
and that second quote you clearly weren't picking sides yet either
the post from breshke saying he wouldn't switch actually came before your vote on stutters, too
like literally nothing in this defense disproves anything i said
The post came after but that still doesn't discount that I went back to his post and reconsidered. That should have been quite clear actually when I said "oh shit, now I see what prplhz and dwarf said"
The last part of that defence was aimed at prplhz who said this:
On April 13 2015 10:05 prplhz wrote: well i do see some lack of enthusiasm as well. i was hoping that you'd do something for the lynch after i went for a run but you just sat around and then voted 2 mins before deadline. breshke had shown up and said "no" at that point so plotspot was pretty dead, don't know why you waited for that before changing your vote.
I'm trying to consider all worlds here. Do note that I have not taken a good look at either of Shining or JJB's filters yet.
Possible scum votes: 1 Ace/Shining - an isolated vote, general rule of thumb 2 Likely two votes on the plotspot wagon 3 Likely one vote on the Stutters wagon
For #2 I'm thinking one or both votes had to have come late in the game when people thought plotspot was likely to be lynched. This reinforces the possibility of Stutters being a guilty party or Bourneq. I need to take a closer look at their timestamps and what they were saying/thinking at the time they voted. Also didn't see much reaction from Bourneq at all post-lynch. The only other person I will admit I have not taken a closer look at is JJB, largely because I haven't been able to interact with him all game.
For #3 I'm thinking back to my Godfather game as to who in this group wants to look good counterwagoning if there was any such player. prplhz had the martyring argument, and Tube had his reasoning that he seemed to genuinely believe in.
If I had to pick a scum in this wagon, I'd say Dwarf. When I see this:
On April 13 2015 03:12 Tubesock wrote: The vote was 6-2 until 12:55 favoring Plotspot. It had Prplhz and I on Stutters695.
at 12:55 TheBloodyDwarf voted Stutters695. That post only had the vote in it. His previous post was at 9:50 talking about how he loves me. For the record I buy the :D vs explanation. Buuuuuttttttt still no scumhunting....
There were people around talking a couple hours prior to EoD. It was not a dead thread.
Possible explanations:
1. lurking about waiting to see how the vote goes. Sees a counterwagon on Stutters and goes for it. Regardless of Stutters alignment I think Dwarf could make this vote. Now that it's 20 some hours after, I see the actual numbers and think that he probably knew what the vote count was and realized that Stutters is safe from being lynched. There were 4 minutes left, when he voted. Not much time to drop that many votes.
Stutters can be town or mafia in this position. It doesn't matter. But TheBloodyDwarf sees a reason to move to him as there was a shenany. And of course I think this is a mindfuckTube game.
2. He could have legitimately realized he needed to vote and placed it. Why did he wait? Why not at 9:50 when he said his only scum read was Stutters695? Why'd he wait till 4 minutes left in the day?
How aware are you guys of the deadline? I mean I will vote somewhat early if I am out and about and can potentially miss the deadline. I get it that if I KNOW I'll be around and don't have any real life things scheduled that placing that vote isn't so important. But I'll be in the thread. I would NEVER have 2 posts in 3 hours prior to deadline if I was there the entire time.
Anyway, I'm going to dive Stutters deeper. I probably shouldn't scum him because he thinks 2 of my top towns are scum.
Well, there is no way to prove this but since this post I decided to vote for Stutter
On April 11 2015 23:45 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On April 11 2015 22:32 rsoultin wrote: O.o
Tube moving up lol but dude i think you may be high on something xP not a huge fan of narratives anyway. yours at least had me laughing?
dwarf could you please give reads? even if you like arent sure on any of them?
prp read is in part knowing him but mostly the nature of his posts. hes aggressive, has made some sharp comments/observations, and his reads adapt to what is going on in the thread rather than remaining static lol
you...returning to prp scumread after its poinyed out that you seemed to drop it, plus some of those posts that are pure commentary...id be happy to lynch you today >< what do you think about that?
I dont find anybody really suspicious..
Stutters695. Checking his filter and I mostly see questions. Looks like he doesn't really have own opinion but is asking others what do they think.
btw, I dont like you Tubesock, you have been chasing me from the beginning
Before this I was going to vote for Ace.
Last time I checked thread was ~21:00 and went to play heroes I was checking clock after games but I still almost forgot to vote
Why I didnt vote before 21:00? I wanted to see if anything new comes up.
Particularly the timestamp he realised it, compared to prplhz, it makes him all the more likely to be the scum. Furthermore, whilst he might be newb, he could very be newb scum, which is what I'm starting to feel after looking through his filter. A lot of emphasis on how he's used to SC2 mafia play. At least that's the impression I'm getting.
okay, so what makes you think dwarf is newb scum over just newb other than the timestamp?
On April 13 2015 10:52 rsoultin wrote: the point was that you made a post after prp's on why you thought he was scum, which is why it makes no sense for you to say that his posts convinced you on stutters
and that second quote you clearly weren't picking sides yet either
the post from breshke saying he wouldn't switch actually came before your vote on stutters, too
like literally nothing in this defense disproves anything i said
The post came after but that still doesn't discount that I went back to his post and reconsidered. That should have been quite clear actually when I said "oh shit, now I see what prplhz and dwarf said"
The last part of that defence was aimed at prplhz who said this:
On April 13 2015 10:05 prplhz wrote: well i do see some lack of enthusiasm as well. i was hoping that you'd do something for the lynch after i went for a run but you just sat around and then voted 2 mins before deadline. breshke had shown up and said "no" at that point so plotspot was pretty dead, don't know why you waited for that before changing your vote.
lol considering the last point was my point too doesn't matter who you were talking to
breshke said no and then you voted, and there was no strong push to get others to join you. nough said
you also said there was a 15 hr difference when it was only 3 hrs and he'd specifically said he was at work in the post you quoted. i get it as added evidence, but not a tipping point, because it's basically completely null
^ this point you didn't even address when i brought it up xP
EPT
I was checking clock after games but I still almost forgot to vote 
explanation. Buuuuuttttttt still no scumhunting....
