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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 13 2015 02:12 GMT
#1101
like i'm gonna be frank with you here, hts...unless i'm just completely missing something, your behavior at EoD is basically indefensible. if stutters is town, you may very well have scum-slipped saying you voted an unflipped townie

you need to either point out something i missed (not make up reasoning i can't verify) or convince me someone else is scummier than you, cause i don't think this argument is getting you anywhere
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 13 2015 02:15 GMT
#1102
On April 13 2015 11:12 rsoultin wrote:
like i'm gonna be frank with you here, hts...unless i'm just completely missing something, your behavior at EoD is basically indefensible. if stutters is town, you may very well have scum-slipped saying you voted an unflipped townie

you need to either point out something i missed (not make up reasoning i can't verify) or convince me someone else is scummier than you, cause i don't think this argument is getting you anywhere


Eh, I'm not really making anything up. If you are mafia deliberately choosing not to understand it, it wouldn't surprise me if you were but if you're town not getting what I'm trying to say, it wouldn't surprise me either. Not the first time this has happened.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 13 2015 02:19 GMT
#1103
On April 13 2015 11:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2015 11:12 rsoultin wrote:
like i'm gonna be frank with you here, hts...unless i'm just completely missing something, your behavior at EoD is basically indefensible. if stutters is town, you may very well have scum-slipped saying you voted an unflipped townie

you need to either point out something i missed (not make up reasoning i can't verify) or convince me someone else is scummier than you, cause i don't think this argument is getting you anywhere


Eh, I'm not really making anything up. If you are mafia deliberately choosing not to understand it, it wouldn't surprise me if you were but if you're town not getting what I'm trying to say, it wouldn't surprise me either. Not the first time this has happened.


>< lol

it has nothing to do with not getting your explanation for EoD. it's

1. your explanation doesn't make sense if you had any expectation whatsoever of getting stutters lynched over plotspot, especially when you weren't trying to get anyone to switch with you in any meaningful way

2. you telling me reasoning after the fact that isn't in any of your posts, even if it did make sense from a townie perspective (though I'd be much more open to it, then) is a matter of whether or not i believe you're telling the truth, not a matter of whether or not i understand what you're saying
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 13 2015 02:37 GMT
#1104
On April 11 2015 19:17 Tubesock wrote:
I've read Plot's filter, and I don't think he looks that great. My problem with him though is that there are at least three posts where I feel I need a rosetta stone. I have no idea what he's saying. The stuff I did understand, I don't remember having any eureka moment, or a sharing a brain type moment either. So far he hasn't been useful to me at all. That's not towny.

I haven't invested any energy in him though. Sorry this isn't very helpful for you.


On April 11 2015 19:35 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 09:10 plotspot wrote:
On April 11 2015 08:57 Half the Sky wrote:
I also don't like how plot said that TBD was a victim. When two posts prior, he says this.

On April 10 2015 09:34 plotspot wrote:
Why joke vote? It will stand as long as nothing else happens. It's not like Ace1312 feels totally threatened. At this time Bourneq will burn. Or even BloodyDwarf who a few people have on their list for certain acceptable reasons.


It's a bit contradictory in logic.


I think the word "acceptable" is the bad boy here right? I should have written "acceptable for them, in their kind of logic, to which I can agree to a certain degree, but not nailingly sure for me". I think Dwarf is a victim because, he has to justify himself and looks helpless, but that's also because he hasn't post alot right?


Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 07:43 plotspot wrote:
On April 10 2015 15:09 jarjarbinks wrote:
On April 10 2015 08:41 plotspot wrote:
prplhz is 100% town. I can smell it.^^


Plot, can you explain why you think this? I'm assuming you didn't actually 100% believe it, but you just think he's town.

Also, what do you think of dwarf and onegu so far?


+ Show Spoiler +
whoa a post from the past.^^ How should I answer this. There is a world of mind. A world of speech and a world of action. I certainly said prplhz is town, I think his early initiative and throrough way of examination befits that of a townsperson caring for the town.

about Dwarf I don't know, looks like a victim so far. Onegu? 70% town. I think the host screwed up. Everybody is town^^. Or he is lazy giving out the roles according to the order on the front page.^^ This should be easy. Man don't read anything from this, I just enjoy the game ok?^^ I mean I observe, this game it really helps to know the posting style or habit or a person. I really cringe at some conclusion about me, you are all paranoid.^^

Ok, I don't have the super reading powers. I just know that Half the Sky and Soren thinks 100% that I'm town. Make of it what you can.

On April 10 2015 23:00 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 21:00 plotspot wrote:
Guys I'm at work, tonight when I have time I will try to detail out whats needed. Still concerning Onegu, before it crosses to real life, I said he was PLAYING LIKE a fucktard (for the couple of first posts that I saw at that moment), not that he is one. And he knows it. Judging by his tone he isn't offended.


How is perceived poor play alignment indicative? IIRC you were scumreading or calling out scum behaviour based on him "playing like a fucktard?" Especially in a newbie game - yes I know Onegu is not a noob but the point still stands - how are you distinguishing between poor play and scum play?


Wait. I didn't call him scum. I think you are awfully suspicious for talking like you know I'm 100% town. That's my original quote

On April 10 2015 08:12 plotspot wrote:
I'm considering changing my vote to Onegu. He's playing like a fucktard. But of course I'm still not sure whether it's his strategy or him inadvertently not "getting" some of the things.


I only said I considered switching my vote, because he made 2 strange mistakes, like wanting a voting thread or saying I didn't explain myself to prplhz when easy checking could have confirmed I did. It was very early in the game, but why am I explaining things, isn't the uncertainty what he is obvious in the quote?


These reek of covering his ass as mafia. It's pretty waffly. I think it's different than how Breshke waffled on Dwarf though. I feel like Breshke didn't actually care what people though of his waffle. Yet, this is very much defensive.


Then we get this.

On April 12 2015 02:22 Tubesock wrote:
Town, don't do any stupid shinanny shit. Vote Dwarf or vote Plotspot. He's not looking good either.



Now wait a minute - here's the kicker - this comes RIGHT after prplhz calls attention to lynching Soren or Stutters

On April 12 2015 05:13 Tubesock wrote:
Stutters. Well, he has like 5 posts but they seem to have content and I read them and think he's at least thinking about the game. I think he's WAY more towny and useful than Dwarf or even Plotspot considering his weirdness.


So this tells me that Tube is townreading Stutters.

Then Tube says THIS about Plot. I then immediately question why he's not trying to interpret Plotspot when he brought the rosetta stone thing up and he said he wasn't a good multitasker. A cop out?

On April 12 2015 05:23 Tubesock wrote:
You guys should probably jump off Plot. This is I don't even know what this is. And the rest of his recent stuff.


(Note: butched the quote bracket from Tube)

I didn't really try because I was trying to figure out why Dwarf is doing what Dwarf is doing. I don't think I'm a very good multitasker.

[...]

Long story, mostly I was thinking about Dwarf. But I also wasn't too worried about others since people were doing stuff. My current towns Breshke, Soren, Prp, Rso, Jar, and you if you were posting as a smurf or something.


And then BOOM. Vote on Stutters. Why didn't I see this before.

On April 12 2015 05:37 Tubesock wrote:
If this can save Plotspots for now I'll shenanny to Stutters695.

##Unvote
##Vote: Stutters695


There is no rationale - I'm not seeing it in his filter of any progression on Stutters other than "sheeping prp" and wanting to save plotspots.

You think I look bad for my switch? Tube was townreading Stutters and then he voted him.

In page 3 of his filter, he says he's sheeping prplhz.

On April 12 2015 05:55 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 05:53 Breshke wrote:
I just woke up why are people swapping to stutters???


Basically, Plots been doing some weird weird scumclaimy play. Just in the last 3 pages. Makes me queasy and Prplhz also.

I'm basically sheeping Prp.


I realise this is a wall post -

But basically he's townreading Stutters and then he votes Stutters.

I have no idea how Tube plays scum. But just taking a sharp look at his filter (pages 2-3) this looks pretty bad.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 13 2015 02:38 GMT
#1105
Oh crap, I forgot the first part to that.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 13 2015 02:39 GMT
#1106
That post was in response to Rasputin's question why I thought Dwarf on the Stutters wagon was scum. I re-examined prp's and Tube's arguments again just to doublecheck I wasn't missing anything.

prp looked fine, On re-examination, Tube did not.

That long wall post is me illustrating why Tube's switch to Stutters is problematic.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 13 2015 02:44 GMT
#1107
Dwarf very well could be newbie scum, and I'll admit it was a PoE I had done thinking that prp and Tube had solid arguments for pulling off plotspot, but upon re-examination:

Tube townreads Stutters. At the very least I'm understanding from him Stutters is higher on the townie totem pole for him than Plot.

Why doesn't he question his townread? I asked him to grasp plotspot but he used the rosetta stone/mutitasking argument and then sheeped prplhz onto a townread.

prplhz had a decent thought process for the switch.

But with Tube something isn't adding up.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 13 2015 02:45 GMT
#1108
Anyways, it's almost 4am. I'm out for the night.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
favmirage
Profile Joined March 2015
United States10 Posts
April 13 2015 02:50 GMT
#1109
On April 12 2015 05:02 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 02:29 plotspot wrote:
Ok it's not so important. ^^ means lie and no ^^ means truth. It's easy.


Uh. This is pretty late in the day. Has anyone done the decoder with Plot? What the what?

You guys should probably jump off Plot. This is I don't even know what this is. And the rest of his recent stuff.


On April 12 2015 05:34 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 05:27 Half the Sky wrote:
On April 12 2015 05:23 Tubesock wrote:
I didn't really try because I was trying to figure out why Dwarf is doing what Dwarf is doing. I don't think I'm a very good multitasker.

Plus, a lot of you were talking about him. So, I also reading through it, seeing you're putting in effort to do it. I concentrate on Dwarf, while you guys concentrate on others. I can see how critically thinking you are and then get two reads out of it. One for you (and others) and one for who the case is on.


I can't read you HTS. I thought you were so helpful to me in that game you were godfather. So, I know helpfullness isn't a town tell really. So now I'm on a different theory for town reads.

It's basically how much effort you put in. A mafia will put in work enough to avoid the lynch or to get some towncred. Then can relax a bit. Mafia isn't going to put in effort to solve the game though.

Long story, mostly I was thinking about Dwarf. But I also wasn't too worried about others since people were doing stuff. My current towns Breshke, Soren, Prp, Rso, Jar, and you if you were posting as a smurf or something.


Well that's (bolded) is pretty obvious. Even if you don't have thoughts on plot yourself, did you have any feedback on my thoughts on plot?

Also you've been fear reading me. I understand why. Last I recall before this post, you said I was towny, but you were afraid of me. But you can't read me?


Let's say you joined as a SmurfX this game. You played the same, I'll objectively say I would town you.

Problem is, of the games I've read and you've been in, I have a 30% success rate in reading you. I'm FAR more comfortable reading Sicklucker and even ALakaslam than you. I think with you I have to wait to see you solve the game or something. I don't even know how to begin.

Anyway. Let's talk Plot or Stutters. We can talk tonight about you and I.

I'm not comfortable lynching Plot right now because I feel like he's trying to talk to me. I said in my tinfoil post that I love to read difficult/cryptic people. He then later towns me for some reason. And does this weird ^^ "code". So, I think he's trying to get me to read him and put in effort. WIFOM if he's buddying me? Seems like a real reach, I think he's honestly trying to get someone to dig deep into him. WIFOM for newbs from Princess Bride movie Wine in Front of Me. Great scene, google it. It's either or type of argument.

Unfortunately, it's too late in the day and these things take me a longtime.


On April 12 2015 05:42 Tubesock wrote:
Plotspot in a way reminds me of me in Carol of the Bells.

I had no idea what the fuck i was doing. You mentioned it when you and others shenannied onto me that game. My game play changed drastically each day. I was trying to figure out the game, and then how to get peoples attention AND then get them to listen to me.

Plot is making an effort to change his play to be reconsidered. If he survives and then goes back to his old behavior then we lynch him day 2. But, I'd like to hear more from him.


so...i'm really not trying to be an asshole here, hts, but i think it's fairly obvious why he didn't want to vote plot based on these posts?

though it's a good point that he seems to have dropped his townread on stutters...all of these posts came after he said he thought stutters looked better than plot and dwarf and they came after plot stated that the ^^ basically meant "lies" (which i interpret as "sarcasm" not "lies")
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 13 2015 02:54 GMT
#1110
fing a >< sorry that was the account i had to create to access teamspeak

i'm not deliberately trying to be confusing lolol ><
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
April 13 2015 03:21 GMT
#1111
On April 13 2015 09:24 prplhz wrote:
reading some of strutters other games he can live for now

Don't really have time to play right now, but what games and what did you see that changed your mind?

I'm off all day tomorrow, so I'll be here then.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 13 2015 03:31 GMT
#1112
read your filter from all of your scum games and a couple of your town games mostly focusing on d1
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 13 2015 03:55 GMT
#1113
uh i'm not going to say what changed my mind right now
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 13 2015 03:55 GMT
#1114
and it's not like i've completely dropped you.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
April 13 2015 04:12 GMT
#1115
On April 13 2015 12:55 prplhz wrote:
uh i'm not going to say what changed my mind right now

I'm aware of my meta, but it's a drastic change, even if you don't have me as town. Give me just one thing you saw. Going off of memory, I can see a few reasons pro-town and pro-scum justifications from my play so far. I want to see where you're coming from.
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 13 2015 04:29 GMT
#1116
On April 12 2015 05:58 Half the Sky wrote:
Stutters voted plotspot. Would someone bus someone this early in a newbie game?

He's a veteran, but probably not.

##unvote
##vote stutters695



If I got Rso's argument right, she thinks that HTS vote switch is strange due primarily to the fact that HTS thought both targets were bad and there was no chance stutters was dying at EOD, which HTS was there long enough to understand.

IF SO This would be the only quote that would even make you think that HTS thought plotspot was town. But I would argue that when HTS went to post this, she already knew she was going to vote stutters. It might be a formatting thing, but most people post their votes after everything else they say in the post.

Given all that, I can only see her doing this vote for three reasons:

1. She is scum trying to look better later on.
2. She is scum trying to bus stutters later just in case people keep scumming him.
3. She is town, and wants to feel good about not mislynching plot.

Also a lot of people haven't been reading her that much before N1. IF she does flip scum, this could give some merit to my point #3 earlier, that scum didn't feel threatened enough to kill someone in game.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 13 2015 04:32 GMT
#1117
On April 13 2015 13:29 jarjarbinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 05:58 Half the Sky wrote:
Stutters voted plotspot. Would someone bus someone this early in a newbie game?

He's a veteran, but probably not.

##unvote
##vote stutters695



If I got Rso's argument right, she thinks that HTS vote switch is strange due primarily to the fact that HTS thought both targets were bad and there was no chance stutters was dying at EOD, which HTS was there long enough to understand.

IF SO This would be the only quote that would even make you think that HTS thought plotspot was town. But I would argue that when HTS went to post this, she already knew she was going to vote stutters. It might be a formatting thing, but most people post their votes after everything else they say in the post.

Given all that, I can only see her doing this vote for three reasons:

1. She is scum trying to look better later on.
2. She is scum trying to bus stutters later just in case people keep scumming him.
3. She is town, and wants to feel good about not mislynching plot.

Also a lot of people haven't been reading her that much before N1. IF she does flip scum, this could give some merit to my point #3 earlier, that scum didn't feel threatened enough to kill someone in game.


lol jjb >>

thank you for the rundown but what do you actually think, gungan?

i've been wanting to sink my claws into you! xD
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 13 2015 04:32 GMT
#1118
Honestly, my 3rd point in my last post doesn't even make sense, because she still thought plot was mafia unless she had an epiphany before her post at 5:56 and 5:58
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 13 2015 04:33 GMT
#1119
On April 13 2015 13:32 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2015 13:29 jarjarbinks wrote:
On April 12 2015 05:58 Half the Sky wrote:
Stutters voted plotspot. Would someone bus someone this early in a newbie game?

He's a veteran, but probably not.

##unvote
##vote stutters695



If I got Rso's argument right, she thinks that HTS vote switch is strange due primarily to the fact that HTS thought both targets were bad and there was no chance stutters was dying at EOD, which HTS was there long enough to understand.

IF SO This would be the only quote that would even make you think that HTS thought plotspot was town. But I would argue that when HTS went to post this, she already knew she was going to vote stutters. It might be a formatting thing, but most people post their votes after everything else they say in the post.

Given all that, I can only see her doing this vote for three reasons:

1. She is scum trying to look better later on.
2. She is scum trying to bus stutters later just in case people keep scumming him.
3. She is town, and wants to feel good about not mislynching plot.

Also a lot of people haven't been reading her that much before N1. IF she does flip scum, this could give some merit to my point #3 earlier, that scum didn't feel threatened enough to kill someone in game.


lol jjb >>

thank you for the rundown but what do you actually think, gungan?

i've been wanting to sink my claws into you! xD


lolz so angry! and btw I had thoughts in there I swear! They were real things lol
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 13 2015 04:34 GMT
#1120
On April 13 2015 12:21 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2015 09:24 prplhz wrote:
reading some of strutters other games he can live for now

Don't really have time to play right now, but what games and what did you see that changed your mind?

I'm off all day tomorrow, so I'll be here then.


then you show us the magic yeah? xP
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
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