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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 13 2015 04:35 GMT
#1121
On April 13 2015 13:33 jarjarbinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2015 13:32 rsoultin wrote:
On April 13 2015 13:29 jarjarbinks wrote:
On April 12 2015 05:58 Half the Sky wrote:
Stutters voted plotspot. Would someone bus someone this early in a newbie game?

He's a veteran, but probably not.

##unvote
##vote stutters695



If I got Rso's argument right, she thinks that HTS vote switch is strange due primarily to the fact that HTS thought both targets were bad and there was no chance stutters was dying at EOD, which HTS was there long enough to understand.

IF SO This would be the only quote that would even make you think that HTS thought plotspot was town. But I would argue that when HTS went to post this, she already knew she was going to vote stutters. It might be a formatting thing, but most people post their votes after everything else they say in the post.

Given all that, I can only see her doing this vote for three reasons:

1. She is scum trying to look better later on.
2. She is scum trying to bus stutters later just in case people keep scumming him.
3. She is town, and wants to feel good about not mislynching plot.

Also a lot of people haven't been reading her that much before N1. IF she does flip scum, this could give some merit to my point #3 earlier, that scum didn't feel threatened enough to kill someone in game.


lol jjb >>

thank you for the rundown but what do you actually think, gungan?

i've been wanting to sink my claws into you! xD


lolz so angry! and btw I had thoughts in there I swear! They were real things lol


the angriest evar!

nah i meant which of the 3 options do you think was going on? it's nice and all to say that she could be scum or town but...lol i guess you just answered that >> nvm
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 13 2015 04:37 GMT
#1122
On April 12 2015 01:28 jarjarbinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 23:37 rsoultin wrote:
meh lol

plot and wallpost of null beautiful

bourne i still cant follow, why plot now ><

tch, sorry guys im out for the day

plot/soren should be the lynch...if not follow bresh...hes smart and prob town this game

ill be back later this evening


....using logic....lol

soooo if prp, bresh and me are her top town reads....that means....

MY MANFEELINGS!


<3?

that's mostly why i wanted to catch you lol

>> i wasn't saying you're dumb i proooomise

you did fool me last time though xP good to see you're not using a statistical model without a control this game lol
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 13 2015 04:39 GMT
#1123
On April 13 2015 07:54 jarjarbinks wrote:
Wow....hope to actually play with you next time HF.

Reasons why HF was killed that I can think of

1. HF can read another vet well or is good at this game? I have no experience with the guy
2. Scum doesn't want to reveal anything
3. Scum is not worried about anyone so far

#2 is probably most likely...if anyone think #3 is very possible we might need to check our highly townread people in the game (bresh? tube?) or doublecheck at the highly scumread right now (dwarf? stutters?)



this post was interesting to me

have you looked into who you think is scum given the second option yet?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 13 2015 04:40 GMT
#1124
lolz

ya I was scumreading her in that post...lol

i'm confused as to how HTS missed the rationale behind tube's change as well. I mean it wasn't a solid case for a change, but it was clearly there in his filter around his vote. He shows more rationale for his change than HTS did for hers.

Altho I definite missed things on pretty much everything I said last night...lol
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 13 2015 04:43 GMT
#1125
On April 13 2015 13:40 jarjarbinks wrote:
lolz

ya I was scumreading her in that post...lol

i'm confused as to how HTS missed the rationale behind tube's change as well. I mean it wasn't a solid case for a change, but it was clearly there in his filter around his vote. He shows more rationale for his change than HTS did for hers.

Altho I definite missed things on pretty much everything I said last night...lol


honestly i kind of got the impression you were half-drunk making some of those posts >> were you out drinking? xP

did you notice something else or just like my case?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 13 2015 04:51 GMT
#1126
On April 13 2015 13:39 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2015 07:54 jarjarbinks wrote:
Wow....hope to actually play with you next time HF.

Reasons why HF was killed that I can think of

1. HF can read another vet well or is good at this game? I have no experience with the guy
2. Scum doesn't want to reveal anything
3. Scum is not worried about anyone so far

#2 is probably most likely...if anyone think #3 is very possible we might need to check our highly townread people in the game (bresh? tube?) or doublecheck at the highly scumread right now (dwarf? stutters?)



this post was interesting to me

have you looked into who you think is scum given the second option yet?


I started it, im super behind on my reads sheet so I tried to go with whoever it appeared were each persons top 3 scum. It has a lot of issues with is but in general there were some people who weren't being scummed much and some people who were being towned a ton.

People who weren't on top town or top scum the most:

Onegu
HTS
JJB
Tube

People who were top 3 town most:

Prp
Tube
Bresh
JJB

Granted, this analysis has flaws. And note I AM ON BOTH, so if anything it I'm showing that I am not altering the analysis AT ALL. I think if I had my reads stuff updated this would be better, and there was a few people that it was hard to tell who their top scum/town were while others it was easier to ascertain.
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 13 2015 04:53 GMT
#1127
On April 13 2015 13:43 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2015 13:40 jarjarbinks wrote:
lolz

ya I was scumreading her in that post...lol

i'm confused as to how HTS missed the rationale behind tube's change as well. I mean it wasn't a solid case for a change, but it was clearly there in his filter around his vote. He shows more rationale for his change than HTS did for hers.

Altho I definite missed things on pretty much everything I said last night...lol


honestly i kind of got the impression you were half-drunk making some of those posts >> were you out drinking? xP

did you notice something else or just like my case?


lolz well it was like 3-4 am xD

I pointed out the only time she mentioned thinking plot was good! and then said she probably thought of voting first

that's like a thing right lol

but ya besides the lack of strong reads on HTS before D2 started I got nothing else lol
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 13 2015 04:57 GMT
#1128
On April 13 2015 13:51 jarjarbinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2015 13:39 rsoultin wrote:
On April 13 2015 07:54 jarjarbinks wrote:
Wow....hope to actually play with you next time HF.

Reasons why HF was killed that I can think of

1. HF can read another vet well or is good at this game? I have no experience with the guy
2. Scum doesn't want to reveal anything
3. Scum is not worried about anyone so far

#2 is probably most likely...if anyone think #3 is very possible we might need to check our highly townread people in the game (bresh? tube?) or doublecheck at the highly scumread right now (dwarf? stutters?)



this post was interesting to me

have you looked into who you think is scum given the second option yet?


I started it, im super behind on my reads sheet so I tried to go with whoever it appeared were each persons top 3 scum. It has a lot of issues with is but in general there were some people who weren't being scummed much and some people who were being towned a ton.

People who weren't on top town or top scum the most:

Onegu
HTS
JJB
Tube

People who were top 3 town most:

Prp
Tube
Bresh
JJB

Granted, this analysis has flaws. And note I AM ON BOTH, so if anything it I'm showing that I am not altering the analysis AT ALL. I think if I had my reads stuff updated this would be better, and there was a few people that it was hard to tell who their top scum/town were while others it was easier to ascertain.


mmm

so...uhhh like what is the significance of this? o.0 sorry lol it's probably obvious but getting late
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 13 2015 05:01 GMT
#1129
From HTS case http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=56#1104

Then we get this.


On April 12 2015 02:22 Tubesock wrote:
Town, don't do any stupid shinanny shit. Vote Dwarf or vote Plotspot. He's not looking good either.



Now wait a minute - here's the kicker - this comes RIGHT after prplhz calls attention to lynching Soren or Stutters

On April 12 2015 05:13 Tubesock wrote:
Stutters. Well, he has like 5 posts but they seem to have content and I read them and think he's at least thinking about the game. I think he's WAY more towny and useful than Dwarf or even Plotspot considering his weirdness.


So this tells me that Tube is townreading Stutters.


So HTS, you are trying to sell that nothing happened in the 3 hours that transpired in between my two posts? And that my posts that followed I wasn't thinking about the game to figure it out? Also, that I'm going to totally marry myself to a read based on "5 posts but they seem to have content and I read them and think he's at least thinking about the game."

You're suggesting that I would use sheeping as a reason to go onto your scumread to gain towncred. That essentially I would bus a mafiamate to gain the cred of SHEEPING a townread. How long would that towncred last? The I'm not seeing the risk reward for this if I were mafia.

If you are really hung up on the rosetta stone thing I will find the specific quotes I was talking about.

jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 13 2015 05:02 GMT
#1130
This was more for the third option....lol I'm an idiot

The second option said they were just trying not to reveal anything with the kill. If that was mafia's pure reason than the only thing you can analyze is that they are confident that whatever people have against the team won't stick.
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 13 2015 05:02 GMT
#1131
Above for @rsoultin
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 13 2015 05:03 GMT
#1132
I gotta crash. I'll be on for like 5 ish more min if I was confusing above
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 13 2015 05:04 GMT
#1133
...and you wanted to ask me something.... geez its only 1 this time lol
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 13 2015 05:06 GMT
#1134
hey sorry for dissapearing had to go out and phone wouldn't connect to the internet.

Ive only speedread the last pages but i still disagree with you on HTS . First of all people have been saying that HTS would swap to stuters there to make herself look better. Obviously this isn't true because noone is saying she looks good because of it. Also she was one of the eladers on the plot lynch and in most of my games the people leading the D1 lynches look good no matter the flip. I think as scum HTS would be way more cautious about swapping her vote there.

I also didn't really understand the bit about you saying she called plot town? Idk that isn't how i remember it i thought she thought they were both scum but then voted stutters because she didn't think stutters would bus so using pre flip association decided stutters would be better. If im wrong tell me.

Also this is ahrd to explain but once again when i woke up came into the thread it really only seemed HTS was trying to get me to look at stutters and change my vote i didn't really get that feeling from anyone else. It may read differently but thats how it was.

Also rso how does it make you feel that people are interacting with you yet dont really seem to read you. It is quite odd.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 13 2015 05:07 GMT
#1135
uhhh i meant...maybe i got the options mixed up? we can both be idiots lol ><

i don't know what your lists mean or what conclusion you've drawn from them, is what i'm trying to say


yo tube what about my case on hts?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 13 2015 05:12 GMT
#1136
On April 13 2015 14:06 Breshke wrote:
hey sorry for dissapearing had to go out and phone wouldn't connect to the internet.

Ive only speedread the last pages but i still disagree with you on HTS . First of all people have been saying that HTS would swap to stuters there to make herself look better. Obviously this isn't true because noone is saying she looks good because of it. Also she was one of the eladers on the plot lynch and in most of my games the people leading the D1 lynches look good no matter the flip. I think as scum HTS would be way more cautious about swapping her vote there.

I also didn't really understand the bit about you saying she called plot town? Idk that isn't how i remember it i thought she thought they were both scum but then voted stutters because she didn't think stutters would bus so using pre flip association decided stutters would be better. If im wrong tell me.

Also this is ahrd to explain but once again when i woke up came into the thread it really only seemed HTS was trying to get me to look at stutters and change my vote i didn't really get that feeling from anyone else. It may read differently but thats how it was.

Also rso how does it make you feel that people are interacting with you yet dont really seem to read you. It is quite odd.


yeah i got that mixed up? obviously it doesn't make sense if hts was townreading plot; i meant to say scumreading. that's already been addressed

i'd rather you actually read my case rather than speedread it frankly xP since i've already addressed pretty much everything you're talking about here

frankly i don't know why she changed her vote. the main point is that she completely uselessly changed her vote. she literally did it at a point where it was meaningless. a scum motivation for that is to distance herself from the list, but more importantly i see no town motivation for it at all? nor do i see how her simply answering your question while not committing to the vote one way or another her trying to get you to change your vote

did you reread that section or not?

-_-

as for people interacting with me and not reading me, i'm not sure what you're implying?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
April 13 2015 05:12 GMT
#1137
hey i'm bored maybe i'll do a votecount:


Half the Sky (2): Prplhz, rsoultin

Not voting (9):
Stutters695, Breshke, Half the Sky, jarjarbinks, Bourneq, The Shining, Tubesock, Onegu, TheBloodyDwarf,




Deadline is in . Currently Half the Sky is set to be lynched with 2 votes
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 13 2015 05:13 GMT
#1138
On April 13 2015 10:16 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2015 10:12 prplhz wrote:
man this hts business is super complicated.


it's actually quite simple, prp ^^

hts drug her feet on the lynch, then voted on a wagon at the last minute that absolutely was not going to be lynched

like, it doesn't even matter what stutters' alignment is? her vote switch makes no sense from a townie perspective. she didn't argue or push people to switch to stutters when she did, didn't make it clear that she no longer thought plotspot was town...if stutters is scum he's not getting lynched and she looks good later if he flips and she was on his wagon. if he's town she looks good for not mislynching him

what does she achieve as town though? absolutely nothing


I also don't understand how she looks good for voting a town in a town v town vote thingo.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 13 2015 05:13 GMT
#1139
ebwop: lynch

blah

anyway are you referring to specific people or in general on the reads bit? i've been read at null and town by several people, onegu had me scumread and you've been...well for lack of a better word, soft-pushing me off and on

so i don't really see how i'm not being "read"? am i misunderstanding something?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 13 2015 05:14 GMT
#1140
On April 10 2015 09:43 plotspot wrote:
So If I say I like the people I like to win regardless whether they are mafia or town, what would you guys be able to read?


On April 10 2015 09:20 plotspot wrote:
This is kinda like a bondage game. Certain sure-fires signs have to be make to appeal to reality. Arghh help I knocked on the bed 3 times. haha


These. Why didn't I ask him to explain? Well, I don't think the explanation would really help me either way. I think he says he likes competitive people. Is that alignment indicative? Do I really care? How does knowing these sentences make any difference?

What is clear, is that neither post is trying to solve the game nor visibly scumhunt. Why bother when I have plenty of other posts to look at?

I just reread his filter again and I don't see any scumhunting. I thought his behavior was interesting enough to keep around another day. Was he town? Not while he was alive.
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