EPTthe distancing bit really isn't that important, especially not even knowing stutters' alignment
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rsoultin
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the distancing bit really isn't that important, especially not even knowing stutters' alignment | ||
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Breshke
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Breshke
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On April 10 2015 09:59 Half the Sky wrote: I know some attention was already brought to the first quote, and I had questioned as to why he was so fearful of death so early in D1 and when he wasn't under any threat now. The "digging old things" and the fact he's said it three times - even with emoticons - gives me the impression he's trying to dissuade Soren from looking into him, even if he's trying to show it jokingly. The vote on prplhz without explanation also makes scumlike behaviour with a page of filter afterwards and Breshke calling that vote into question. This was the post btw. clearly about TBD and not plot. Not sure how i messed this up | ||
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Breshke
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Breshke
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##Vote Stutters Got that wrong aswell | ||
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rsoultin
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
Half the Sky (2): prplhz, rsoultin Stutters695 (1): Breshke Not voting (8): TheBloodyDwarf, jarjarbinks, Tubesock, The Shining, Bourneq, Stutters695, Onegu, Half the Sky Currently, Half the Sky is set to be lynched. Deadline is Tuesday, Apr 14 8:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). Voting is mandatory! If there are errors, please let us know. + Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] + | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On April 12 2015 04:55 Half the Sky wrote: One read from Dwarf, and this is pretty much it. Then again all I remember from Stutters IS questions. Hmmm. Talks a couple times about Stutters. Then: On April 12 2015 05:35 Half the Sky wrote: Oh shit....just read Stutters' filter now, and I see where both Dwarf and prplhz are coming from. His posts aren't exactly driving discussion. Also I looked at the timestamps of when Stutters said he'll look into plotspot and when he voted him. 15 hours and change. So my previous possibility of "being in the middle of analysis" is off the table. 2 minutes after that Prplhz vovtes Stutters says he's going for a run. Later he says he thought HTS was going to take up the banner. "Oh shit..." implies surprise and epiphany type emotion doesn't it? HTS says something about Dwarf's point on Stutters and she disagrees with the Stutter's Breshke read. I also vote Stutters. It's all in the same minute; 22 minutes from deadline. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=45#894 Continuing reading from that link, it can't be possible that she gave Stutters695 any deep real analysis. She did continue to case Postplot. She was still asking me stuff about Dwarf. I think it looks like she's contemplating him. She does make another big case post on Postplot that lands at 7 minutes prior to deadline. She's really thinking about Stutters AND building a fairly big post on Postplot??? Then she "pushes" Stutters in 3 posts all within 5 minutes of deadline. Can someone tell me how this makes sense as town? My problems is why would mafiaHTS basically start a wagon off town? But then she still pushed the original wagon? I read her cases and I think some of them are contrived. In the JoaT game she was ninja. I scummed and cased her HARD for her actions prior to the town lynch of Sicklucker. I kind of caught her? She was 3P (third party) and NotTown. I'm feeling the same thing here (nottown). She was caught up on why Dwarf said something 3 times like it makes him scummy but not the other half billion things he was doing that was scummy. She has mentioned how "not having new" ideas is scummy. I think in that bringing up past 3 times thing is her way of bringing "new" information. Trying to look towny. Her other stuff is just nitpicky. It's not the motivation behind her targets actions it's the inconsistencies of it. Well, town can be inconsistent. It happens. It's all about motivation. Add in Rsoultin's case and interactions. Prplhz's arguments. Yeaaaaaah. She's mafia. ##Vote: Half the Sky | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On April 13 2015 09:15 rsoultin wrote: like, if she honestly doesn't care which gets lynched and thinks they're both scum, yet alone is questioning whether or not stutters is bussing, i don't see why she doesn't just stay on plot. from a townie perspective it doesn't make much sense says she doesn't like both, wonders aloud if stutters is bussing, concludes he isn't cause he's a vet, then switches to him too late? lol >< Add in where she talks about how bussing has been popular lately too... On April 10 2015 09:48 Half the Sky wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 10 2015 09:40 Bourneq wrote: Whats with the scumread on me? And prplhz is trying to lynch me so why do you think we are both scum? Before I AFKed, I didn't like your paralysis. I know you are extremely new to mafia (and I took this into account) so I tried to work with you on why you didn't think prp's comment drew no emotion. The "forum context" response I could not tell whether it was sarcasm or intentional evasion so I further questioned you and I get this: On April 10 2015 06:33 Bourneq wrote: It did not make me think anything. Now that you ask it seems he is at least trying to start a discussion. The problem I have with this is you are telling me what he is doing and not so much how it makes you feel as far his alignment is concerned. I realise maybe I'm hard to understand at times - not a native speaker here either - so I'm trying to spell things out as much as I can. Bussing has been a thing in D1 amongst scumteams lately. It's possible you both are scum. So, she earlier says bussing is popular lately. and the next time she mentions bus is to justify switching. Uuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
After spending several hours casing the other partner. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
Tube im not going to be ignoring your case I just dont feel like im going to go anywhere if i talk about it with you because i see your point and yes that is a logical inconsistency but i can also see a world where HTS says bussing has been popular but then would also think stutters wouldn't bus. I fully admit i could just be tunneld on the idea that HTS is town and is why i dont eally feel like pushing that anymore because I need to see other interactions involving her and stuff. I once again want to point this post out because it will probabe be buried and i want a response when bourne comes back. On April 12 2015 05:52 Bourneq wrote: Plot still seems like the obvious lynch to me. Stutters is certinatly a suspect but I see no reason in keeping plot around. Can you explain what you mean by there is no point keeping plot around. You say stutters is suspect which infers scum yet you only want to lynch plot because you see nor eason to keep him around which seems null. He explains the scumread on plot earlier in this post. On April 11 2015 21:50 Bourneq wrote: Good mornign gents and ladies! I think we hit the nail on the head with plotspot in the recent pages. My personal reasoning behind scum reading plotspot is mainly from theese quotes I hate this post + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2015 07:43 plotspot wrote: whoa a post from the past.^^ How should I answer this. There is a world of mind. A world of speech and a world of action. I certainly said prplhz is town, I think his early initiative and throrough way of examination befits that of a townsperson caring for the town. about Dwarf I don't know, looks like a victim so far. Onegu? 70% town. I think the host screwed up. Everybody is town^^. Or he is lazy giving out the roles according to the order on the front page.^^ This should be easy. Man don't read anything from this, I just enjoy the game ok?^^ I mean I observe, this game it really helps to know the posting style or habit or a person. I really cringe at some conclusion about me, you are all paranoid.^^ Ok, I don't have the super reading powers. I just know that Half the Sky and Soren thinks 100% that I'm town. Make of it what you can. Wait. I didn't call him scum. I think you are awfully suspicious for talking like you know I'm 100% town. That's my original quote I only said I considered switching my vote, because he made 2 strange mistakes, like wanting a voting thread or saying I didn't explain myself to prplhz when easy checking could have confirmed I did. It was very early in the game, but why am I explaining things, isn't the uncertainty what he is obvious in the quote? Mainly because of "Man don't read anything from this, I just enjoy the game ok?^^" And "I think you are awfully suspicious for talking like you know I'm 100% town." when he himself said prplhz was 100% town really early on. Not to meantion the 5 ^^, but I wont go into that. TBD is making my scum radar beep and its driving me crazy. I would like to see the dwarf do anything, just anything to further towns agenda. Or at least theorycraft with us. But he has done noone of that what so ever. The recent points brought against him also look solid. Now I will carefully examine prplhz and see if I have anything to bring to the table. Yet he only points out posts of plots which he does not like but does not explain WHY he does not like them. This reads to me as him just trying to justify a reason to join the main wagon. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On April 13 2015 16:41 Tubesock wrote: Continuing reading from that link, it can't be possible that she gave Stutters695 any deep real analysis. She did continue to case Postplot. She was still asking me stuff about Dwarf. I think it looks like she's contemplating him. She does make another big case post on Postplot that lands at 7 minutes prior to deadline. She's really thinking about Stutters AND building a fairly big post on Postplot??? Then she "pushes" Stutters in 3 posts all within 5 minutes of deadline. Can someone tell me how this makes sense as town? My problems is why would mafiaHTS basically start a wagon off town? But then she still pushed the original wagon? I'd like you to at least think how you would push someone with three minutes until EoD. If you can type up a sparkly case in 90 seconds, I applaud you. But to think I should have some detailed analysis (which you infer to be a good, or town-based push) in that timeframe is unreasonable. It is not hard to look at the case on Stutters and come to the conclusion I did. It does not require detailed analysis, at least based on your criteria. Also I did not start the wagon on Stutters, prplhz did. I read her cases and I think some of them are contrived. In the JoaT game she was ninja. I scummed and cased her HARD for her actions prior to the town lynch of Sicklucker. I kind of caught her? She was 3P (third party) and NotTown. I'm feeling the same thing here (nottown). She was caught up on why Dwarf said something 3 times like it makes him scummy but not the other half billion things he was doing that was scummy. She has mentioned how "not having new" ideas is scummy. I think in that bringing up past 3 times thing is her way of bringing "new" information. Trying to look towny. Her other stuff is just nitpicky. It's not the motivation behind her targets actions it's the inconsistencies of it. Well, town can be inconsistent. It happens. It's all about motivation. I'm pretty sure this is an opportunistic vote but I'm going to highlight for the others the flaws in this argument. 1 In games where a third party exists, third party roles can be either pro or anti-town. Regarding my role in JOAT, third party assassin has a town agenda aside from attempts at killing the other assassin (or ninjas as they were called in JOAT). If town lose before assassins find each other, they lose, end of. It is in their interest to stay and play pro-town especially in a game where scum had a shittonne of KP. (In large games, scum will generally have more than 1kp, unlike here). That said, in JOAT, I was third party but was operating on a town agenda for the basis of that particular vote. This is the example I tried to highlight earlier. In fact, Kitaman in particular noted how I was reading the thread, and taking into consideration how each of the candidates (SL and Sandroba) could be scum, and that's exactly what I did here. The difference is that in that game, is that I had a considerable amount of time to consider each of the candidates. In this game, I had an epiphany with minutes to spare and made a judgement that was reasonable 1) in the amount of time that I had and 2) with the material I had in front of me for Stutters. Which again, doesn't require the analysis that Tube seems to be setting as criteria. 2 The other billion things where he was scummy was shot down or explained away by others as either him being new or being NAI. Post-lynch he needed to be examined on how he voted plotspot (which I see Breshke is already doing). That said, I'm going to move on to finding the (likely) 1-2 scum on the plotspot wagon. At first glance, Bourneq and Stutters themselves will be a good place to start. I'm in meetings for a few hours here at work, but will field questions when I return. Also Rasputin, you asked me about Stutters, but Stutters actually looks worse after reading his filter. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
In this game, I had an epiphany with minutes to spare and made a judgement that was reasonable 1) in the amount of time that I had and 2) with the material I had in front of me for Stutters. Which again, doesn't require the analysis that Tube seems to be setting as criteria. To clarify was the epiphany you had that stutters was scum or that stutters wouldn't bus plot. Could you also explain why you think stutters would not bus plot there or point to the post where you have already explained it if you have. | ||
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Half the Sky
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
Half the Sky (3): prplhz, rsoultin, Tubesock Stutters695 (1): Breshke Not voting (7): TheBloodyDwarf, jarjarbinks, The Shining, Bourneq, Stutters695, Onegu, Half the Sky Currently, Half the Sky is set to be lynched. Deadline is Tuesday, Apr 14 8:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). Voting is mandatory! If there are errors, please let us know. + Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] + | ||
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LoneMeow
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Trfel
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I haven't read any of the game yet, just enough to know that there was a mislynch on Day 1 and then Holyflare was night killed. Do I need to start doing things immediately, or can I take the time to read the thread (or at least part of it)? | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On April 13 2015 23:29 Trfel wrote: Hello. I haven't read any of the game yet, just enough to know that there was a mislynch on Day 1 and then Holyflare was night killed. Do I need to start doing things immediately, or can I take the time to read the thread (or at least part of it)? lol o.0 what a strange question truffle how do you expect to do things if you don't read the thread? -shoos- come back when you have something case-builder xP | ||
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