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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 13 2015 16:14 GMT
#1201
Onegu

Onegu's opening is just terrible. I'm pretty sure that he is scum here. Plotspot was obviously a new player trying to figure out how to play the game, if anything I would read plotspot's opening posts as slightly towny. And Onegu was so quick to jump on scumreading him.

I'd definitely prefer to lynch Onegu than this weird lynch on Half the Sky for just changing her vote.

One scum down, two to go.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 13 2015 16:16 GMT
#1202
On April 14 2015 01:10 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2015 00:17 rsoultin wrote:
you're right, hts, but usually people do it combined with reads? it isn't pure oh vote looks scummy therefore scum

like i caught -celestial- because he was vocal that he didn't like the main wagon but still wasted his vote instead of trying to save him (lol sound a little familiar here? ) and i cleared breshke in a later game cause even though his vote looked scummy, the lead-up to it looked genuine

if you're town i get what you're trying to do, but it doesn't really work the way you're doing it, ya know?


Pretty sure I've been analysing the context of the vote (arguments around it) aside from the placement of vote and timing? Particularly with Tube? Unless you meant my response to Trfel. I'm free for an hour so a bit more mobile on the laptop on this forum atm \o/

Anyhow, carrying on.


it was my understand that when you posted it you hadn't looked into anyone yet? lol but if you plan on doing so carry on and ignore me

-beats truffle with a wet noodle-

unless you're serious about claiming scum xP then by all means...makes my day easy ^^
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
April 13 2015 16:18 GMT
#1203
On April 14 2015 01:07 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2015 01:06 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On April 14 2015 00:45 rsoultin wrote:
On April 14 2015 00:36 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On April 14 2015 00:29 Trfel wrote:
Hm, I might have a cool way to read Half the Sky. But if she really is scum here, maybe I should just not reveal it until next game

I'd better check my meta first, though.

On an unrelated note:
On April 10 2015 06:12 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Hey, im not at least the last one
I'm sad now

Why you are sad
Im happy


what do you think of my case

About Half the Sky?

also lol if stutters dropped dead this second from a rare and crazy day 1 cancer bug who would you want to lynch?

That is quite unlikely So this is kinda bad question. But in reality I have No Fucking Idea. Gladly I still have 24hours to come up with something.

But I hate how there is replacements coming in. Holyflare didnt play long but how could you have readed him? Are those posts by Soren anymore valid? Same with Trfel. If they/one of them is mafia they like got 1 day and night advance where nobody can read them.

Maybe I should ask coach.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 13 2015 16:23 GMT
#1204
You probably shouldn't mention coaching in this thread, as doing so is against the rules.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
April 13 2015 16:28 GMT
#1205
On April 14 2015 01:23 Trfel wrote:
You probably shouldn't mention coaching in this thread, as doing so is against the rules.

And I thought I readed the rules... I actually checked that just before posting but missed that FAQ.

My post is fine by this:
11. You may not reveal or hint about the identity of your coach. You may not refer to any idea, course of action, etc. as something that was suggested by your coach.


But not:

Q: I want to talk about coaching, or have a question about coaching. Where should I ask this?
A: PM me. Do not post in the thread about coaching.


Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
April 13 2015 16:28 GMT
#1206
On April 14 2015 01:14 Trfel wrote:
Onegu

Onegu's opening is just terrible. I'm pretty sure that he is scum here. Plotspot was obviously a new player trying to figure out how to play the game, if anything I would read plotspot's opening posts as slightly towny. And Onegu was so quick to jump on scumreading him.

I'd definitely prefer to lynch Onegu than this weird lynch on Half the Sky for just changing her vote.

One scum down, two to go.


Ok I'm back in thread.

Bro am I high or did you just claim scum??

Didn't you replace Onegu? O_O
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
April 13 2015 16:30 GMT
#1207
On April 14 2015 01:18 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2015 01:07 rsoultin wrote:
On April 14 2015 01:06 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On April 14 2015 00:45 rsoultin wrote:
On April 14 2015 00:36 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On April 14 2015 00:29 Trfel wrote:
Hm, I might have a cool way to read Half the Sky. But if she really is scum here, maybe I should just not reveal it until next game

I'd better check my meta first, though.

On an unrelated note:
On April 10 2015 06:12 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Hey, im not at least the last one
I'm sad now

Why you are sad
Im happy


what do you think of my case

About Half the Sky?

also lol if stutters dropped dead this second from a rare and crazy day 1 cancer bug who would you want to lynch?

But I hate how there is replacements coming in. Holyflare didnt play long but how could you have readed him? Are those posts by Soren anymore valid? Same with Trfel. If they/one of them is mafia they like got 1 day and night advance where nobody can read them.

Damn, I forgot The Shining
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 13 2015 16:31 GMT
#1208
On April 14 2015 01:28 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2015 01:14 Trfel wrote:
Onegu

Onegu's opening is just terrible. I'm pretty sure that he is scum here. Plotspot was obviously a new player trying to figure out how to play the game, if anything I would read plotspot's opening posts as slightly towny. And Onegu was so quick to jump on scumreading him.

I'd definitely prefer to lynch Onegu than this weird lynch on Half the Sky for just changing her vote.

One scum down, two to go.


Ok I'm back in thread.

Bro am I high or did you just claim scum??

Didn't you replace Onegu? O_O


second scummer caught!

why so serious, shining? (stop bussing your scummate; it was a joke, bro xP)
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 13 2015 16:31 GMT
#1209
On April 14 2015 01:28 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2015 01:14 Trfel wrote:
Onegu

Onegu's opening is just terrible. I'm pretty sure that he is scum here. Plotspot was obviously a new player trying to figure out how to play the game, if anything I would read plotspot's opening posts as slightly towny. And Onegu was so quick to jump on scumreading him.

I'd definitely prefer to lynch Onegu than this weird lynch on Half the Sky for just changing her vote.

One scum down, two to go.


Ok I'm back in thread.

Bro am I high or did you just claim scum??

Didn't you replace Onegu? O_O
Hi again, The Shining. I know you really don't like replacements, and I apologize for this. I'll do my best to make it a non-issue.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
April 13 2015 16:32 GMT
#1210
On April 14 2015 01:28 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2015 01:14 Trfel wrote:
Onegu

Onegu's opening is just terrible. I'm pretty sure that he is scum here. Plotspot was obviously a new player trying to figure out how to play the game, if anything I would read plotspot's opening posts as slightly towny. And Onegu was so quick to jump on scumreading him.

I'd definitely prefer to lynch Onegu than this weird lynch on Half the Sky for just changing her vote.

One scum down, two to go.


Ok I'm back in thread.

Bro am I high or did you just claim scum??

Didn't you replace Onegu? O_O

Oh this is hilarious
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 13 2015 16:32 GMT
#1211
On April 14 2015 01:30 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2015 01:18 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On April 14 2015 01:07 rsoultin wrote:
On April 14 2015 01:06 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On April 14 2015 00:45 rsoultin wrote:
On April 14 2015 00:36 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On April 14 2015 00:29 Trfel wrote:
Hm, I might have a cool way to read Half the Sky. But if she really is scum here, maybe I should just not reveal it until next game

I'd better check my meta first, though.

On an unrelated note:
On April 10 2015 06:12 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Hey, im not at least the last one
I'm sad now

Why you are sad
Im happy


what do you think of my case

About Half the Sky?

also lol if stutters dropped dead this second from a rare and crazy day 1 cancer bug who would you want to lynch?

But I hate how there is replacements coming in. Holyflare didnt play long but how could you have readed him? Are those posts by Soren anymore valid? Same with Trfel. If they/one of them is mafia they like got 1 day and night advance where nobody can read them.

Damn, I forgot The Shining
You can always read replacements based on the play of the player they replaced for, as they have the same role...
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 13 2015 16:32 GMT
#1212
or the truth made to look like a joke o.0

-eyes truffle-

more seriously, y'all both owe me reads xP -cracks whip-
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 13 2015 16:33 GMT
#1213
On April 14 2015 01:32 rsoultin wrote:
or the truth made to look like a joke o.0

-eyes truffle-

more seriously, y'all both owe me reads xP -cracks whip-
If I owe you anything, it's a vote
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
April 13 2015 16:35 GMT
#1214
On April 14 2015 01:32 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2015 01:30 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On April 14 2015 01:18 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On April 14 2015 01:07 rsoultin wrote:
On April 14 2015 01:06 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On April 14 2015 00:45 rsoultin wrote:
On April 14 2015 00:36 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On April 14 2015 00:29 Trfel wrote:
Hm, I might have a cool way to read Half the Sky. But if she really is scum here, maybe I should just not reveal it until next game

I'd better check my meta first, though.

On an unrelated note:
On April 10 2015 06:12 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Hey, im not at least the last one
I'm sad now

Why you are sad
Im happy


what do you think of my case

About Half the Sky?

also lol if stutters dropped dead this second from a rare and crazy day 1 cancer bug who would you want to lynch?

But I hate how there is replacements coming in. Holyflare didnt play long but how could you have readed him? Are those posts by Soren anymore valid? Same with Trfel. If they/one of them is mafia they like got 1 day and night advance where nobody can read them.

Damn, I forgot The Shining
You can always read replacements based on the play of the player they replaced for, as they have the same role...

But how do you know if they play same? I know that if somebody replaced me, they would act alot different.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 13 2015 16:36 GMT
#1215
On April 14 2015 01:35 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2015 01:32 Trfel wrote:
On April 14 2015 01:30 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On April 14 2015 01:18 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On April 14 2015 01:07 rsoultin wrote:
On April 14 2015 01:06 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On April 14 2015 00:45 rsoultin wrote:
On April 14 2015 00:36 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On April 14 2015 00:29 Trfel wrote:
Hm, I might have a cool way to read Half the Sky. But if she really is scum here, maybe I should just not reveal it until next game

I'd better check my meta first, though.

On an unrelated note:
On April 10 2015 06:12 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Hey, im not at least the last one
I'm sad now

Why you are sad
Im happy


what do you think of my case

About Half the Sky?

also lol if stutters dropped dead this second from a rare and crazy day 1 cancer bug who would you want to lynch?

But I hate how there is replacements coming in. Holyflare didnt play long but how could you have readed him? Are those posts by Soren anymore valid? Same with Trfel. If they/one of them is mafia they like got 1 day and night advance where nobody can read them.

Damn, I forgot The Shining
You can always read replacements based on the play of the player they replaced for, as they have the same role...

But how do you know if they play same? I know that if somebody replaced me, they would act alot different.
Of course. But that doesn't change anything?

Read Onegu based on how you would expect Onegu to play, and what his style is. Read me based on how you would expect me to play, and what my style is. Then combine those two reads to reach your conclusion.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
April 13 2015 16:40 GMT
#1216
So I trust you and vote to lynch Trfel

+ Show Spoiler +
/jk
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 13 2015 16:41 GMT
#1217
Well, so far, I'm townreading all of the dead people, and I'm townreading Onegu......

I know, I'm so helpful. And it also appears that I have no ability whatsoever to read people fairly when I already know their alignment. Was hoping that would have changed....
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 13 2015 16:49 GMT
#1218
Perhaps TheBloodyDwarf would be a good lynch after all.

I need to get some lunch. Have fun.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
April 13 2015 16:52 GMT
#1219
On April 14 2015 01:14 Trfel wrote:
Onegu

Onegu's opening is just terrible. I'm pretty sure that he is scum here. Plotspot was obviously a new player trying to figure out how to play the game, if anything I would read plotspot's opening posts as slightly towny. And Onegu was so quick to jump on scumreading him.

I'd definitely prefer to lynch Onegu than this weird lynch on Half the Sky for just changing her vote.

One scum down, two to go.



On April 14 2015 01:41 Trfel wrote:
Well, so far, I'm townreading all of the dead people, and I'm townreading Onegu......

I know, I'm so helpful. And it also appears that I have no ability whatsoever to read people fairly when I already know their alignment. Was hoping that would have changed....


What changed in 27 minutes?
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 13 2015 16:56 GMT
#1220
Case 1 of 3 on the Plotspot wagon - Onegu

On April 12 2015 06:01 LoneMeow wrote:
Final vote count:

TheBloodyDwarf (1): Soren333, Breshke, Tubesock, The Shining, Tubesock
Breshke (0): Onegu
The Shining (1): plotspot
Bourneq (0): prplhz
plotspot (7): Onegu, Breshke, rsoultin, prplhz, Bourneq, Soren333, Stutters695, jarjarbinks, Half the Sky, Onegu
prplhz (0): TheBloodyDwarf
Stutters695 (4): prplhz, Tubesock, TheBloodyDwarf, Half the Sky


So looking at the plot wagon - off the cuff I would say that Onegu, Bourneq and Stutters would be the three most suspicious on this wagon. Not all three would be scum under the working theory of 2 on this wagon and one on the counterwagon, but it's most likely there's 2 in the 3 I listed.

But this gives me a starting point.

Timing and context of each vote - Starting with Onegu

Onegu - Voted him twice. First was for the random alphabetical vote on Ace fairly early in the game. He unvoted (approx 10m) after that when prplhz showed him the timestamps.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=14#265

Votes Breshke halfway through for the lynchbait comment, also saying that he didn't buy his explanation for waffling.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=23#444

(Breshke's justification is here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=23#447)

The issue here is not only he doesn't push Breshke if he believes in this lynch but when Rasputin and I both call him on it respectively:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=30#582
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=27#531

His responses are pretty darn evasive. Also of note - all this while, there is zero mention of plotspot whilst he's focusing on Breshke.

Now he AFKs for a bit and then comes back as we're deliberating over Stutters.

Another thing for Onegu (or now his slot) that doesn't add up is that he's looking at Rasputin as potential scum. This was way before, but then he votes with her and then concludes post deadline that she is scum.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=22#432

Another thing that doesn't make sense (disclaimer: metaread) is that Onegu is VERY familiar with martyring as he's done it himself AND he's made a similar counterargument for someone martyring and he didn't seem to consider that in his decision.

Supporting links here: - from a game I played with Onegu, Hammertime Mafia
1 Onegu actually martyring himself as town:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=40#788
2 Onegu making an argument that someone is martyring:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=39#768
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=39#775

If he's somewhat skeptical, it doesn't make sense he's look at a scumclaim AND then vote with a potental scumread WITHOUT considering it could be a martyr.

Note that his vote is thrown on at the end when a number of us are piled onto plotspot. I bring up the counterarguments to Stutters over plotspot as the better lynch:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=46#908

For which there is no reaction from Onegu.

So here are the following things that don't make sense for Onegu:

1 Breshke being the best lynch - doesn't push him, is challenged on "waffling" by 2 players and is evasive with subsequent answers.
2 Drops plotspot once, and then votes him in a context that makes no sense for his experience. He is familiar with scumclaims and doesn't consider it himself.
3 Votes with (same wagon) as a potential scumread - Rasputin - whom he then concludes after deadline is quite scummy.


Comments/questions would be appreciated. I realise Onegu is out of the game. But his slot needs to be challenged as scmmy.

Client dinner pretty soon.

I will get to continue with Bourneq and Dwarf afterwards.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
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