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Trfel
7015 Posts
Onegu's opening is just terrible. I'm pretty sure that he is scum here. Plotspot was obviously a new player trying to figure out how to play the game, if anything I would read plotspot's opening posts as slightly towny. And Onegu was so quick to jump on scumreading him. I'd definitely prefer to lynch Onegu than this weird lynch on Half the Sky for just changing her vote. One scum down, two to go. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On April 14 2015 01:10 Half the Sky wrote: Pretty sure I've been analysing the context of the vote (arguments around it) aside from the placement of vote and timing? Particularly with Tube? Unless you meant my response to Trfel. I'm free for an hour so a bit more mobile on the laptop on this forum atm \o/ Anyhow, carrying on. it was my understand that when you posted it you hadn't looked into anyone yet? lol but if you plan on doing so carry on and ignore me -beats truffle with a wet noodle- unless you're serious about claiming scum xP then by all means...makes my day easy ^^ | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On April 14 2015 01:07 rsoultin wrote: also lol if stutters dropped dead this second from a rare and crazy day 1 cancer bug who would you want to lynch? That is quite unlikely  So this is kinda bad question. But in reality I have No Fucking Idea. Gladly I still have 24hours to come up with something.But I hate how there is replacements coming in. Holyflare didnt play long but how could you have readed him? Are those posts by Soren anymore valid? Same with Trfel. If they/one of them is mafia they like got 1 day and night advance where nobody can read them. Maybe I should ask coach. | ||
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Trfel
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On April 14 2015 01:23 Trfel wrote: You probably shouldn't mention coaching in this thread, as doing so is against the rules. And I thought I readed the rules...  I actually checked that just before posting but missed that FAQ.My post is fine by this: 11. You may not reveal or hint about the identity of your coach. You may not refer to any idea, course of action, etc. as something that was suggested by your coach. But not: Q: I want to talk about coaching, or have a question about coaching. Where should I ask this? A: PM me. Do not post in the thread about coaching. | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On April 14 2015 01:14 Trfel wrote: Onegu Onegu's opening is just terrible. I'm pretty sure that he is scum here. Plotspot was obviously a new player trying to figure out how to play the game, if anything I would read plotspot's opening posts as slightly towny. And Onegu was so quick to jump on scumreading him. I'd definitely prefer to lynch Onegu than this weird lynch on Half the Sky for just changing her vote. One scum down, two to go. Ok I'm back in thread. Bro am I high or did you just claim scum?? Didn't you replace Onegu? O_O | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On April 14 2015 01:18 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: But I hate how there is replacements coming in. Holyflare didnt play long but how could you have readed him? Are those posts by Soren anymore valid? Same with Trfel. If they/one of them is mafia they like got 1 day and night advance where nobody can read them. Damn, I forgot The Shining  | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On April 14 2015 01:28 The Shining wrote: Ok I'm back in thread. Bro am I high or did you just claim scum?? Didn't you replace Onegu? O_O second scummer caught! why so serious, shining?  (stop bussing your scummate; it was a joke, bro xP) | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On April 14 2015 01:28 The Shining wrote: Hi again, The Shining. I know you really don't like replacements, and I apologize for this. I'll do my best to make it a non-issue.Ok I'm back in thread. Bro am I high or did you just claim scum?? Didn't you replace Onegu? O_O | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On April 14 2015 01:28 The Shining wrote: Ok I'm back in thread. Bro am I high or did you just claim scum?? Didn't you replace Onegu? O_O Oh this is hilarious  | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
-eyes truffle- more seriously, y'all both owe me reads xP -cracks whip- | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On April 14 2015 01:32 rsoultin wrote: If I owe you anything, it's a vote or the truth made to look like a joke o.0 -eyes truffle- more seriously, y'all both owe me reads xP -cracks whip- | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On April 14 2015 01:32 Trfel wrote: You can always read replacements based on the play of the player they replaced for, as they have the same role... But how do you know if they play same? I know that if somebody replaced me, they would act alot different. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On April 14 2015 01:35 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Of course. But that doesn't change anything?But how do you know if they play same? I know that if somebody replaced me, they would act alot different. Read Onegu based on how you would expect Onegu to play, and what his style is. Read me based on how you would expect me to play, and what my style is. Then combine those two reads to reach your conclusion. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + /jk | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
I know, I'm so helpful. And it also appears that I have no ability whatsoever to read people fairly when I already know their alignment. Was hoping that would have changed.... | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
I need to get some lunch. Have fun. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On April 14 2015 01:14 Trfel wrote: Onegu Onegu's opening is just terrible. I'm pretty sure that he is scum here. Plotspot was obviously a new player trying to figure out how to play the game, if anything I would read plotspot's opening posts as slightly towny. And Onegu was so quick to jump on scumreading him. I'd definitely prefer to lynch Onegu than this weird lynch on Half the Sky for just changing her vote. One scum down, two to go. On April 14 2015 01:41 Trfel wrote: Well, so far, I'm townreading all of the dead people, and I'm townreading Onegu...... I know, I'm so helpful. And it also appears that I have no ability whatsoever to read people fairly when I already know their alignment. Was hoping that would have changed.... What changed in 27 minutes? | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On April 12 2015 06:01 LoneMeow wrote: Final vote count: TheBloodyDwarf (1): Breshke (0): The Shining (1): plotspot Bourneq (0): plotspot (7): prplhz (0): Stutters695 (4): prplhz, Tubesock, TheBloodyDwarf, Half the Sky So looking at the plot wagon - off the cuff I would say that Onegu, Bourneq and Stutters would be the three most suspicious on this wagon. Not all three would be scum under the working theory of 2 on this wagon and one on the counterwagon, but it's most likely there's 2 in the 3 I listed. But this gives me a starting point. Timing and context of each vote - Starting with Onegu Onegu - Voted him twice. First was for the random alphabetical vote on Ace fairly early in the game. He unvoted (approx 10m) after that when prplhz showed him the timestamps. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=14#265 Votes Breshke halfway through for the lynchbait comment, also saying that he didn't buy his explanation for waffling. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=23#444 (Breshke's justification is here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=23#447) The issue here is not only he doesn't push Breshke if he believes in this lynch but when Rasputin and I both call him on it respectively: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=30#582 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=27#531 His responses are pretty darn evasive. Also of note - all this while, there is zero mention of plotspot whilst he's focusing on Breshke. Now he AFKs for a bit and then comes back as we're deliberating over Stutters. Another thing for Onegu (or now his slot) that doesn't add up is that he's looking at Rasputin as potential scum. This was way before, but then he votes with her and then concludes post deadline that she is scum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=22#432 Another thing that doesn't make sense (disclaimer: metaread) is that Onegu is VERY familiar with martyring as he's done it himself AND he's made a similar counterargument for someone martyring and he didn't seem to consider that in his decision. Supporting links here: - from a game I played with Onegu, Hammertime Mafia 1 Onegu actually martyring himself as town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=40#788 2 Onegu making an argument that someone is martyring: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=39#768 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=39#775 If he's somewhat skeptical, it doesn't make sense he's look at a scumclaim AND then vote with a potental scumread WITHOUT considering it could be a martyr. Note that his vote is thrown on at the end when a number of us are piled onto plotspot. I bring up the counterarguments to Stutters over plotspot as the better lynch: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=46#908 For which there is no reaction from Onegu. So here are the following things that don't make sense for Onegu: 1 Breshke being the best lynch - doesn't push him, is challenged on "waffling" by 2 players and is evasive with subsequent answers. 2 Drops plotspot once, and then votes him in a context that makes no sense for his experience. He is familiar with scumclaims and doesn't consider it himself. 3 Votes with (same wagon) as a potential scumread - Rasputin - whom he then concludes after deadline is quite scummy. Comments/questions would be appreciated. I realise Onegu is out of the game. But his slot needs to be challenged as scmmy. Client dinner pretty soon. I will get to continue with Bourneq and Dwarf afterwards. | ||
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