Newbie Student Mafia VII - Page 63

These are the first two noteworthy posts that I found. To me, it seems that prplhz and Half the Sky were the first two players to start pushing the game forward. This makes them seem more towny. In particular, prplhz started pushing the game forward almost immediately.

However, I should share my meta point against Half the Sky here. Her tone is extremely confident and jovial. When she is town, her tone often seems to focus on working with others and playing alongside others. However, in her first mafia game (Newbie Mafia LX), she opened extremely confidently, referencing her own reads and desire to scumhunt. It's mostly an issue of confidence: as town, she tries to solve the game while constantly checking her work with that of others, while as scum she seems more willing to be completely independent and forceful. Still, this didn't line up with her opening in The Void Mafia (she was scum). I still feel that it is evidence against her, even if slight. It mostly depends on how she follows this up.

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This progression looks very good from Half the Sky. The first quote looks quite bad to me, she seems to be trying to make Bourneq look bad. However, four minutes later she seemed clearly willing to help Bourneq adjust to TL Mafia (as she should be, and as is expected). Therefore, I can only conclude that the first quote had the same intention, of trying to probe for actual information, as well as being willing to work with a newer player. At this point, Half the Sky is a town lean.

Prplhz gets a town lean as well for making an opening to start the discussion and then following through by voting someone who responds (in his eyes) in a scummy way. This isn't something that I expect from prplhz, or most mafia players, for that matter. Mafia doesn't really have incentive to immediately start pushing the thread forward.

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TheBloodyDwarf initially seems very inconsistent. This one's a bit complicated.I played Starcraft 2 arcade mafia once. And that was enough to know that it is a completely different game from this. Knowledge and skills from one game do not transfer to the other in any way whatsoever. The best thing for TheBloodyDwarf to do for TL Mafia is to learn to play from the ground up, because SC2 arcade mafia is simply a different game.

TheBloodyDwarf seems to be inconsistent about how he portrays himself. He often points to his past experience with SC2 arcade mafia as excuses for his actions (I shouldn't need to provide quotes for this), such as the above quote and the discussion he has with prplhz about the mechanics of roles in SC2 arcade mafia. The inconsistency is that he keeps coming back to the SC2 arcade mafia experience, instead of adapting to a new game.

This quote shows that TheBloodyDwarf realizes that TL Mafia and SC2 Mafia are different games. How does he act on this knowledge?
First, he says that he read the rules. But he only later realized how the lynch works (presumably after reading the vote count), and still didn't realize that you aren't supposed to edit posts. If he did actually read the rules, he clearly didn't read them very carefully at all. And he ought to recognize that this works differently from SC2 mafia, and read the rules carefully. This doesn't make sense from a town perspective.
This statement is obviously anti-town. It doesn't make TheBloodyDwarf scum (and by itself isn't alignment indicative), but keep it in mind.So, basically, TheBloodyDwarf intends to do nothing until there is information with which to scum hunt. However, he also dissuades others from analyzing the game. This might be somewhat valid in a role-heavy environment like SC2 mafia, however, by this point if The BloodyDwarf hasn't read the rules and doesn't realize that TL Mafia and SC2 mafia are different games, he deserves to be lynched. I can't really scumread him for saying that he can't scumhunt at this point of the game, but telling other people to stop analyzing "old" information (two hours old) is really bad.

However, at this point, his play is almost falling under the "too scummy to be scum" category. While not helping town, his play doesn't push a mafia agenda that heavily (there was no reasonable way for him to expect Soren333 to actually stop playing the game because of his request). While objectively bad, his play is consistent, and I'm not very inclined to scumread him seriously any more.This quote summarizes it perfectly. He's waiting for people to provide evidence, while ignoring evidence that people do provide, and he's read the rules enough to know that the night phase won't provide sufficient evidence to make up for analysis. But he now clearly realizes this, so if he is town, his play will step up from here. Unfortunately, he didn't come back through page 20.

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Prplhz again sees something suspicious (plotsplot's alphabetical vote) and focuses on it. This gives me more reason to townread him.

Breshke looks good. This is a good comment and good analysis of prplhz's early play. However, I don't really like his analysis of TheBloodyCobbler (though that is partly due to the mechanics of votes in SC2 mafia).

I suppose I have to retract my earlier townread of Breshke. He made a good townread on someone, and is defending them. However, his push on TheBloodyCobbler isn't very good, and he doesn't seem terribly interested in investigating any of the other people yet. Interested to see how he goes forward.

His decision that Ace1312's entrance timing isn't alignment indicative looks good for him. But he needs to find another suspicious thing to push, and quickly, or he could be scum.

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This almost seems too paranoid to be scum...This is actually a good point, though. Unfortunately, it isn't enough to lynch Bourneq yet, seeing as he is a new player.
I'm not sure that I like this read. To me, Onegu's play has a bunch of good things, and a bunch of bad things (which Half the Sky doesn't mention at all). Furthermore, Half the Sky is saying that she liked an argument that Onegu made that is proven to be completely incorrect. This read feels incomplete, and her followup isn't much better.

Then Half the Sky scumreads Bourneq and TheBloodyDwarf. While these players haven't been acting towny, there are good reasons to not scumread them at this time. And Half the Sky also scumreads prplhz (!), which seems very strange to me.
She doesn't think that prplhz is scum after his first few posts. Before this, she said that prplhz's initial statement (could be scum, could be town) doesn't make sense from either perspective.And then this? I'm not sold.

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Oh my.......... Maybe now I know why plotsplot was lynched.

Breshke reconsiders his TheBloodyDwarf read before anyone else. He's actually looking quite towny right now.

And no, Half the Sky doesn't look more towny as scum...

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I know rsoultin won't like this, but she's actually looking suspicious. She comes in without providing any reads or thoughts at all, then continually commenting on something that is pointless, and then complaining that no one is talking to her. There's plenty to talk about, I've come up with a whole lot already. I understand it if rsoultin is still reading and analyzing, but her complaining about the thread activity while doing nothing herself is suspicious.

Tubesock is a solid null. He made a few okay reads, but he hasn't done anything impressive yet.

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I believe that leaves me here.

Town
Breshke
prplhz

Null
Half the Sky
Bourneq
Tubesock
TheBloodyDwarf

Scum Lean
rsoultin

It is possible that I am overestimating the amount that prplhz has done. To me, it feels like through page 20, he did the most work out of everyone. However, I note that as of the time I joined the game, he had the longest filter, which supports this.

Rsoultin still strikes me as surprisingly useless. I don't like this at all. Rsoultin has also missed some jokes/sarcasm, something I never expect from her and don't really see (she is a linguist, after all). And she misinterpreted one of Ace1312's posts, despite his intent being clear.If you're scumreading Ace1312 for this, then you probably need his scumhunting 101 lesson.
This makes no sense at all.... In this very post, plotspot is treating his vote carefully and weighing his options. This simply isn't that alignment indicative. But rsoultin agreed with it. Ugh.
Rsoultin, what have you been doing... Breshke is a good townread here. I'm starting to wonder if rsoultin is analyzing the game at all. I have tons of small points for why rsoultin is scum, so I'll stop listing them now, and wait for her to start making bigger reads.

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I am truly impressed by how much TheBloodyDwarf misunderstands the rules, after supposedly reading them multiple times. He seems so defensive as well (page 23), but I suppose it's warranted, given the current votes on him. At least he acknowledges that he needs to analyze what people say, so I look forward to that.

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Bourneq's re-entry to the thread seems lackluster. He continues to only provide reads when prompted to do so, and here:He seems to go out of his way to not upset prplhz. This is hard to see from a town perspective, to go back later and tell prplhz what he needs to do to get the scumread removed.
I don't really like this post at all. Breshke didn't really defend prplhz at all (I suppose you could stretch his post to call it a defense, but it isn't really). He doesn't really say anything about Breshke's play, but scumreads him anyway. A bit suspicious.

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This is a good point, I brought it up in my last post. Rsoultin is starting to look better for this.
I actually like this post. I know that he mostly scumreads for inactivity, but this is significantly better than the play that he's showed up to this point. And his reasoning generally makes sense, and I can easily see how he arrives at the conclusions that he does. I'm assuming that this is one of the main reasons that Bourneq wasn't lynched on Day 1.
I like this response too, as well as most of Tubesock's posts from this time. Tubesock is looking better now.
And Stutters695 is looking a bit better as well. I'm still leaning scum on him a little, but this post seems to be in the right direction.

I don't have any posts to cite, since rsoultin is a primarily conversational player, but her play seems to be shaping up. She's focused on the game, and while nothing truly stood out, she's generally been in the right place. She goes back to a null read until she actually starts pushing something.
And this seems really strange. TheBloodyDwarf shouldn't be a townread, since he hasn't actually done anything yet. He's proved that he's a noob, and that he wasn't expecting the game to be like this at all. That's fine, it doesn't make him scum, but it doesn't make him town either.
I don't like this explanation. It actually does make sense from a town perspective, it provides something that people can comment on (and they did). For the first few minutes of the game, that's pretty good. And Half the Sky already said that it makes no sense from a mafia perspective. If this doesn't make sense from either a town or a mafia perspective, why does that make prplhz mafia here? Her post doesn't at all describe why prplhz is scum, she keeps saying "he could do this as scum". Half the Sky seems to have dropped off a bit, but I don't know if that's an actual trend or just a perception I get from reading in small chunks.
This is yet another point on prplhz's favor. And no, this isn't an associative read. Two reasons. First is that scum doesn't really want to push against Half the Sky here, second is that he has good reasons for doing this (and I believe he is the first one to seriously push Half the Sky).

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I need to get dinner. I have some work to do after dinner, so I'm not sure when I'll be able to completely catch up with the thread, but I'll read when I can.

Town
prplhz

Town Lean
Breshke
jarjarbinks?
Tubesock

Null

rsoultin
Bourneq (maybe a bit lower?)
TheBloodyDwarf

Scum Lean
Half the Sky
Stutters695