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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
April 14 2015 01:26 GMT
#1321
On April 14 2015 09:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Stutters, you still in thread? I wanted to ask you two key questions regarding your actions D1.

D1, you expressed that Breshke was mafia. You considered prplhz and plotspot for lynch. You pushed Breshke in two posts, and I know you were AFK a bit from the thread D1, but ultimately voted plotspot after a load of people had done so.

I have two questions for you.

1 As a veteran, why were you so sure that plotspot was scumclaiming and not martyring? I understand some vets are familiar with martyring happening and prp has brought it up himself.
2 I know someone else queried you on it but I'm not seeing the response in your filter - had your thoughts on Breshke changed since D1? And if you were sure of Breshke, why didn't you push him further D1?

1. I wasn't. D1 is a bitch and I hate it. Once it was obvious Bresh/Prpl weren't options, I wanted to see one of the newbies hang because if one of them didn't, we'd be in the same predicament d2 and had basically wasted d1. I've played enough games where people martyr/give up as scum once caught early that I really don't know what to think anymore.

2. I've learned pushing lynches that won't happen just distracts town. Especially on d1 when we can afford a mislynch. I'd rather have a mislynch on someone I can't read, but I think is scum than someone I don't think is scum because I split a wagon, when d1 is a crapshoot anyway.

They have changed due to his n1 posts, but I still want to see more out of him to decide.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 14 2015 01:26 GMT
#1322
saying that my third post didn't succeed in getting discussion going is silly as it's been discussed a lot this game
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 01:29 GMT
#1323
On April 14 2015 10:26 prplhz wrote:
saying that my third post didn't succeed in getting discussion going is silly as it's been discussed a lot this game
This, it definitely helped start the discussion of the game. You really can't argue the opposite.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 14 2015 01:31 GMT
#1324
Stutters have you seen the reason why I am voting you?
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
April 14 2015 01:33 GMT
#1325
On April 14 2015 10:31 Breshke wrote:
Stutters have you seen the reason why I am voting you?

Sure have. WIFOM son. Am I blue, am I VT? Who knows, but my posting should make it pretty obvious I'm town.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 14 2015 01:33 GMT
#1326
On April 14 2015 10:26 prplhz wrote:
saying that my third post didn't succeed in getting discussion going is silly as it's been discussed a lot this game


i fail to see how this post is relevant xP

the question was intention, not end result -flicks-

trfel made a post as scum that "got discussion going" but that didn't make him town lol ><
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 14 2015 01:36 GMT
#1327
On April 14 2015 10:33 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2015 10:26 prplhz wrote:
saying that my third post didn't succeed in getting discussion going is silly as it's been discussed a lot this game


i fail to see how this post is relevant xP

the question was intention, not end result -flicks-

trfel made a post as scum that "got discussion going" but that didn't make him town lol ><


I think Soren made a similar argument earlier about useful and useless discussion actually and saying that driving the latter was scumlike behaviour.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 01:36 GMT
#1328
On April 14 2015 10:33 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2015 10:26 prplhz wrote:
saying that my third post didn't succeed in getting discussion going is silly as it's been discussed a lot this game


i fail to see how this post is relevant xP

the question was intention, not end result -flicks-

trfel made a post as scum that "got discussion going" but that didn't make him town lol ><
Still wrong. The intention is to get discussion going. What is really important is the motivation.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 14 2015 01:37 GMT
#1329
we are just entirely off-topic now >< the point was those were the posts that made me lean town on bourne

unless y'all think they make him scum, i'm not sure why we're even discussing this?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 01:38 GMT
#1330
On April 14 2015 10:36 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2015 10:33 rsoultin wrote:
On April 14 2015 10:26 prplhz wrote:
saying that my third post didn't succeed in getting discussion going is silly as it's been discussed a lot this game


i fail to see how this post is relevant xP

the question was intention, not end result -flicks-

trfel made a post as scum that "got discussion going" but that didn't make him town lol ><


I think Soren made a similar argument earlier about useful and useless discussion actually and saying that driving the latter was scumlike behaviour.
Promoting useless discussion is indeed scum favored. However, at the very start of the game, what do you expect? No offense, Half the Sky, but the discussion that resulted from prplhz's opening was more useful to solving the game than what you were doing at the same time.

I also find it ironic, since Soren333 himself was one of the main people to respond to prplhz's opening, and he apparently called it useless discussion?
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 14 2015 01:38 GMT
#1331
truffle i am going to skin you for making semantics arguments that serve no purpose ^^ don't you have a thread to be reading?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 01:40 GMT
#1332
On April 14 2015 10:38 rsoultin wrote:
truffle i am going to skin you for making semantics arguments that serve no purpose ^^ don't you have a thread to be reading?
Sorry, I haven't actively played mafia in a while (for me, at least). I like talking, and this game has fun people in it. But please, don't skin me, that sounds rather painful. Just slit my throat or something.

I'll try to go hide and read the thread, haha.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 14 2015 01:44 GMT
#1333
On April 14 2015 10:38 Trfel wrote:
I also find it ironic, since Soren333 himself was one of the main people to respond to prplhz's opening, and he apparently called it useless discussion?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=15#284

Not making this up. Anyhow, back on topic.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 14 2015 01:45 GMT
#1334
Rasputin, I can see the second part of your counterargument from town or mafia perspective. Soren actually pinged him out on the second quote.

However, and this is a big however, the third quote you cite, if anything makes him town, that would have to be it. It's original thought and content from him.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 14 2015 01:51 GMT
#1335
Breshke, what are your thoughts on Stutters's latest comments? I honestly was going to case him based on his voting plotspot, and then realising he was in the thread, decided it'd be more efficient directly asking him xD

On April 14 2015 10:26 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2015 09:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Stutters, you still in thread? I wanted to ask you two key questions regarding your actions D1.

D1, you expressed that Breshke was mafia. You considered prplhz and plotspot for lynch. You pushed Breshke in two posts, and I know you were AFK a bit from the thread D1, but ultimately voted plotspot after a load of people had done so.

I have two questions for you.

1 As a veteran, why were you so sure that plotspot was scumclaiming and not martyring? I understand some vets are familiar with martyring happening and prp has brought it up himself.
2 I know someone else queried you on it but I'm not seeing the response in your filter - had your thoughts on Breshke changed since D1? And if you were sure of Breshke, why didn't you push him further D1?

1. I wasn't. D1 is a bitch and I hate it. Once it was obvious Bresh/Prpl weren't options, I wanted to see one of the newbies hang because if one of them didn't, we'd be in the same predicament d2 and had basically wasted d1. I've played enough games where people martyr/give up as scum once caught early that I really don't know what to think anymore.

2. I've learned pushing lynches that won't happen just distracts town. Especially on d1 when we can afford a mislynch. I'd rather have a mislynch on someone I can't read, but I think is scum than someone I don't think is scum because I split a wagon, when d1 is a crapshoot anyway.

They have changed due to his n1 posts, but I still want to see more out of him to decide.


Considering you are the lead proponent of his lynch and (I could be wrong here?) you have yet to play with him, so...
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 14 2015 01:53 GMT
#1336
Damn, it is 3am here. I'll carry on as I can later today. Good night.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 01:55 GMT
#1337
On April 14 2015 10:53 Half the Sky wrote:
Damn, it is 3am here. I'll carry on as I can later today. Good night.
Good night.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 14 2015 02:03 GMT
#1338
On April 14 2015 10:51 Half the Sky wrote:
Breshke, what are your thoughts on Stutters's latest comments? I honestly was going to case him based on his voting plotspot, and then realising he was in the thread, decided it'd be more efficient directly asking him xD

Show nested quote +
On April 14 2015 10:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On April 14 2015 09:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Stutters, you still in thread? I wanted to ask you two key questions regarding your actions D1.

D1, you expressed that Breshke was mafia. You considered prplhz and plotspot for lynch. You pushed Breshke in two posts, and I know you were AFK a bit from the thread D1, but ultimately voted plotspot after a load of people had done so.

I have two questions for you.

1 As a veteran, why were you so sure that plotspot was scumclaiming and not martyring? I understand some vets are familiar with martyring happening and prp has brought it up himself.
2 I know someone else queried you on it but I'm not seeing the response in your filter - had your thoughts on Breshke changed since D1? And if you were sure of Breshke, why didn't you push him further D1?

1. I wasn't. D1 is a bitch and I hate it. Once it was obvious Bresh/Prpl weren't options, I wanted to see one of the newbies hang because if one of them didn't, we'd be in the same predicament d2 and had basically wasted d1. I've played enough games where people martyr/give up as scum once caught early that I really don't know what to think anymore.

2. I've learned pushing lynches that won't happen just distracts town. Especially on d1 when we can afford a mislynch. I'd rather have a mislynch on someone I can't read, but I think is scum than someone I don't think is scum because I split a wagon, when d1 is a crapshoot anyway.

They have changed due to his n1 posts, but I still want to see more out of him to decide.


Considering you are the lead proponent of his lynch and (I could be wrong here?) you have yet to play with him, so...


I was voting him because of some comment he made in which he basically softed power role. He seemed to ignore the question when he first came back yesterday so that made me even more intrigued but i like his recent answer and am willing to let it slide until next day phase.

##Unvote

I currently want to lynch bourne but i need to read what rso wrote about him again and also read your case on him.

Also i think it is safe to infer we have a etup with a veteran and not a medic as noone has claimed roleblocked meaning scum most likely roleblocked HF which they would only do if they feared he was a vet. Or maybe a vigi but i find that less likely.

Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 02:09 GMT
#1339
On April 12 2015 03:05 Half the Sky wrote:
Still icing myself (ran a half marathon this morning \o/), but I'm back home. Another 30-45 and I'll be catching up.
Half marathon!??!?! Wow. Now I feel great about my physical health.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
April 14 2015 02:27 GMT
#1340
On April 14 2015 11:03 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2015 10:51 Half the Sky wrote:
Breshke, what are your thoughts on Stutters's latest comments? I honestly was going to case him based on his voting plotspot, and then realising he was in the thread, decided it'd be more efficient directly asking him xD

On April 14 2015 10:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On April 14 2015 09:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Stutters, you still in thread? I wanted to ask you two key questions regarding your actions D1.

D1, you expressed that Breshke was mafia. You considered prplhz and plotspot for lynch. You pushed Breshke in two posts, and I know you were AFK a bit from the thread D1, but ultimately voted plotspot after a load of people had done so.

I have two questions for you.

1 As a veteran, why were you so sure that plotspot was scumclaiming and not martyring? I understand some vets are familiar with martyring happening and prp has brought it up himself.
2 I know someone else queried you on it but I'm not seeing the response in your filter - had your thoughts on Breshke changed since D1? And if you were sure of Breshke, why didn't you push him further D1?

1. I wasn't. D1 is a bitch and I hate it. Once it was obvious Bresh/Prpl weren't options, I wanted to see one of the newbies hang because if one of them didn't, we'd be in the same predicament d2 and had basically wasted d1. I've played enough games where people martyr/give up as scum once caught early that I really don't know what to think anymore.

2. I've learned pushing lynches that won't happen just distracts town. Especially on d1 when we can afford a mislynch. I'd rather have a mislynch on someone I can't read, but I think is scum than someone I don't think is scum because I split a wagon, when d1 is a crapshoot anyway.

They have changed due to his n1 posts, but I still want to see more out of him to decide.


Considering you are the lead proponent of his lynch and (I could be wrong here?) you have yet to play with him, so...


I was voting him because of some comment he made in which he basically softed power role. He seemed to ignore the question when he first came back yesterday so that made me even more intrigued but i like his recent answer and am willing to let it slide until next day phase.

##Unvote

I currently want to lynch bourne but i need to read what rso wrote about him again and also read your case on him.

Also i think it is safe to infer we have a etup with a veteran and not a medic as noone has claimed roleblocked meaning scum most likely roleblocked HF which they would only do if they feared he was a vet. Or maybe a vigi but i find that less likely.




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