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Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 14 2015 02:37 GMT
#1341
On April 14 2015 11:27 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2015 11:03 Breshke wrote:
On April 14 2015 10:51 Half the Sky wrote:
Breshke, what are your thoughts on Stutters's latest comments? I honestly was going to case him based on his voting plotspot, and then realising he was in the thread, decided it'd be more efficient directly asking him xD

On April 14 2015 10:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On April 14 2015 09:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Stutters, you still in thread? I wanted to ask you two key questions regarding your actions D1.

D1, you expressed that Breshke was mafia. You considered prplhz and plotspot for lynch. You pushed Breshke in two posts, and I know you were AFK a bit from the thread D1, but ultimately voted plotspot after a load of people had done so.

I have two questions for you.

1 As a veteran, why were you so sure that plotspot was scumclaiming and not martyring? I understand some vets are familiar with martyring happening and prp has brought it up himself.
2 I know someone else queried you on it but I'm not seeing the response in your filter - had your thoughts on Breshke changed since D1? And if you were sure of Breshke, why didn't you push him further D1?

1. I wasn't. D1 is a bitch and I hate it. Once it was obvious Bresh/Prpl weren't options, I wanted to see one of the newbies hang because if one of them didn't, we'd be in the same predicament d2 and had basically wasted d1. I've played enough games where people martyr/give up as scum once caught early that I really don't know what to think anymore.

2. I've learned pushing lynches that won't happen just distracts town. Especially on d1 when we can afford a mislynch. I'd rather have a mislynch on someone I can't read, but I think is scum than someone I don't think is scum because I split a wagon, when d1 is a crapshoot anyway.

They have changed due to his n1 posts, but I still want to see more out of him to decide.


Considering you are the lead proponent of his lynch and (I could be wrong here?) you have yet to play with him, so...


I was voting him because of some comment he made in which he basically softed power role. He seemed to ignore the question when he first came back yesterday so that made me even more intrigued but i like his recent answer and am willing to let it slide until next day phase.

##Unvote

I currently want to lynch bourne but i need to read what rso wrote about him again and also read your case on him.

Also i think it is safe to infer we have a etup with a veteran and not a medic as noone has claimed roleblocked meaning scum most likely roleblocked HF which they would only do if they feared he was a vet. Or maybe a vigi but i find that less likely.




Why? Who is going to prot the new guy?


Roleblocks are notified. Noone has said they were roleblocked which you 100% do because theres no reason not to. This means that HF was roleblocked as he was killed.

There is only a couple cases where this is useful. You must remember scum knows the setup

If he is cop and gets medic saved he doesn't get a check (not likely if it is a cop medic setup scum would probs try spread out their kill and roleblock unless they were sure someone was a role.

If he is vigi he dies and doesn't get his shot off. (This doesn't feel that important as even if the vigi shot htis town doesn't gain a miss lynch and there is a possibility of vigi hitting a town.)

Finally if they know there is a vet they want to ensure that they dont have to put kp on him twice. While this doesn't gain town a miss lynch town gains a confirmed town for at least one phase.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
April 14 2015 02:41 GMT
#1342
Or they withheld the rb?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 02:43 GMT
#1343
On April 14 2015 11:41 Stutters695 wrote:
Or they withheld the rb?
It's much, much better to roleblock the night kill target than to withhold the roleblock. There's simply no reason for it. The target is confirmed town if they get medic saved anyway.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 14 2015 02:58 GMT
#1344
On April 14 2015 11:41 Stutters695 wrote:
Or they withheld the rb?


What's the point?
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 14 2015 03:07 GMT
#1345
lol um

i'm not sure how you arrive at the conclusion that there's no medic, bresh, unless you're saying the medic would definitely protect hf?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 03:11 GMT
#1346
Analysis #3: Pages 31-46 (End of Day)
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On April 11 2015 03:38 Half the Sky wrote:
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On April 11 2015 03:32 rsoultin wrote:
On April 11 2015 03:30 Half the Sky wrote:
Ras hence my explanation. Don't think I said I had a strong TR on him at all. I need minimum 2 days to figure him out.


so it's not a real townread it's just a you're not sure so don't lynch read?

i can buy that i think


Yes exactly.
Hm... This seems weird to me, given how quickly Half the Sky turned on Onegu. Does she really think that her case on a player who she so emphatically said she couldn't read is strong enough to convince her to lynch me before getting a good chance to read me (who I presume she can read)? This seems a bit suspect to me.

However, Half the Sky's posts on page 33 seem a bit better. The normal way to read Half the Sky is to see if she's being interesting or not; interesting Half the Sky is town, while boring Half the Sky is scum. However, in a newbie game, it's much easier to be interesting (the thread moves more slowly, so you can easily beat people to reads and be more original). And while Half the Sky has been interesting at times, her play has felt boring at times as well. Reading this thread all at once, I think that time zones could play a big part in this, and it's possible that I'm just scumreading Half the Sky partially for not posting while she was asleep... I need to take a look at her filter once I catch up with the thread.
On April 11 2015 14:54 rsoultin wrote:
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On April 10 2015 07:30 plotspot wrote:
Since the rules states I have to vote, and I can't decide, I vote alphabetically. It's still plenty time lift for interaction, I might change my vote anytime, hence I asked whether we can change our vote. I don't see it written on the first page about changing votes. So better vote before I forget to.^^ Btw, I didn't read any mafia threads yet, just the general guide.


okay plotspot earns my lynch with fire category lol ><

that's just such an asinine reason. he voted because he felt he had to vote someone w/in the first hour of the day and so he wouldn't forget?
There is no scum motivation to do this either? At least, not moreso than "in case I drop off the face of the earth, I have a vote, so I'm not modkilled!" Which is (obviously) a pretty stupid reason.
On April 11 2015 15:37 Breshke wrote:
How does that make him scum though. What dies scum get from voting in that s ituation. I agree its weird but i dont get how that makes you vote for him.

Youre different this game Rso and i dont know if its because with like 0 of the super confident vets around it lets you play differently or if its because you are scum. I get that youre in different coditions but like even your hts read i disagree with im fairly sure she is town and its weird for me because normally i agree with almost everything you say
And Breshke mentions this right after. Even more town points to Breshke.
On April 11 2015 16:18 rsoultin wrote:
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On April 11 2015 08:07 prplhz wrote:
lzphrpz unordered lynch list: hts jjb bourneq


i know you said youd sheep me but hes not one of your 3?
I see now why people are suspicious of prplhz. His filter is almost worth diving for this post alone. Hrmph. Down to a town lean for him, I guess.

Wow, that post from Tubesock about TheBloodyDwarf. I think it's a far, far simpler explanation to say that TheBloodyDwarf simply is new and doesn't know how to play mafia at TL yet. I think that's far too complex of a plan, and not worth taking risks like editing posts (which if this special godfather fake-claim vet plan is true, he would know not to edit posts). The godfather shouldn't play to get cop checked, that's just not a good play at all (especially seeing as only half of the setups have a cop). So I don't think this push really says anything about TheBloodyDwarf (though it does suggest that Tubesock is town). This simply isn't something that mafia would create and try to push.

But really, Soren333 believed this in entirety? That kind of blew my mind.
On April 11 2015 19:16 prplhz wrote:
i'm not sure right now, the plotspot lynch is growing on me.
Despite the initial reason for voting for plotspot being sheeping rsoultin, prplhz takes responsibility for the lynch and pushes it on his own. So, I'm mostly willing to overlook his terrible vote (somewhat pending on how he explains his read on plotspot, though he doesn't really have to, it's obvious that plotspot's play isn't terribly towny).
Bourneq's transition to vote for plotspot seems strange on the surface. He's a late addition to the wagon. I don't know how his earlier stance on plotspot looked, and I'm not going to be seriously diving filters until I catch up with the entire thread, but this could be suspicious. For now, though, it's not that important.

I kind of like Bourneq's case on prplhz, though. I still think that prplhz is solid town, but Bourneq is providing some good analysis. He's missing a lot of good reasons to townread prplhz, so it's only a half story, but from a new player, he seems to be putting in effort. And again, I'm not convinced that prplhz is someone who mafia would want to jump on in this game, given his activity level.

On April 11 2015 23:37 rsoultin wrote:
meh lol

plot and wallpost of null beautiful

bourne i still cant follow, why plot now ><

tch, sorry guys im out for the day

plot/soren should be the lynch...if not follow bresh...hes smart and prob town this game

ill be back later this evening
This post seems suspicious to me (and no, not for being out until End of Day). It's not terribly relevant, though.
Wow, plotspot actually claimed scum? Ugh, what a horrid play. He wasn't at all dead.

I'm really surprised at prplhz suddenly deciding that he didn't want to lynch plotspot. That's really strange. And he seems adamant about not lynching plotspot, but isn't willing to lead the charge to someone else, he insists on following someone.
On April 12 2015 05:03 prplhz wrote:
okay tube who do we lynch then?
I can see this coming from a town perspective, but it's really weird.

As far as end of day switches go, what the heck happened? This is very surprising to see.
On April 12 2015 05:35 Half the Sky wrote:
Oh shit....just read Stutters' filter now, and I see where both Dwarf and prplhz are coming from.

His posts aren't exactly driving discussion.

Also I looked at the timestamps of when Stutters said he'll look into plotspot and when he voted him.

15 hours and change. So my previous possibility of "being in the middle of analysis" is off the table.
Half the Sky suddenly seems willing to lynch Stutters695. Half the Sky seemed extremely laid back and settled with a plotspot lynch, and now suddenly, she is uneasy? This doesn't make much sense at all. She later clarifies this to be that she's definitely willing to lynch plotspot. So why this sudden reaction to reading Stutters695's filter? This feels out of place. I just don't know why Half the Sky waited until less than 30 minutes to End of Day to come up with this?

As a positive point for prplhz, upon seeing this, he immediately switched his vote. At least he's willing to back up his words with actions, when he sees a little support.

TheBloodyDwarf's vote looks really bad here. No explanation at all.
On April 12 2015 05:58 Half the Sky wrote:
Stutters voted plotspot. Would someone bus someone this early in a newbie game?

He's a veteran, but probably not.

##unvote
##vote stutters695

What? This makes no sense at all. Let's assume that scum would not bus here. You could be dealing with Stutters695 voting for plotspot, or Stutters695 voting for plotsplot. This is no reason whatsoever to change votes.

However, I don't think this makes Half the Sky scum. The mafia motivation, while there, isn't worth such an unexplained vote switch. And she moved her vote off of a town who claimed scum, who no one would have blamed her for mislynching.
Town
Breshke
jarjarbinks
Tubesock

Town Lean
rsoultin
prplhz

Null
Half the Sky
Bourneq

Scum Lean
Stutters695
TheBloodyDwarf

Only 22 pages to go. And then filter diving. I'm sorry, I'm sort of losing my focus, I've been playing mafia for most of the day, it's really hard for me to catch up. Hopefully tomorrow I will be able to finish reading the thread.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 14 2015 03:18 GMT
#1347
On April 14 2015 12:07 rsoultin wrote:
lol um

i'm not sure how you arrive at the conclusion that there's no medic, bresh, unless you're saying the medic would definitely protect hf?


Okay follow my logic here.

Noone has claimed roleblocked. So it is safe to assume scum most likely blocked HF. Why would they do this?
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 14 2015 03:20 GMT
#1348
On April 14 2015 11:37 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2015 11:27 Stutters695 wrote:
On April 14 2015 11:03 Breshke wrote:
On April 14 2015 10:51 Half the Sky wrote:
Breshke, what are your thoughts on Stutters's latest comments? I honestly was going to case him based on his voting plotspot, and then realising he was in the thread, decided it'd be more efficient directly asking him xD

On April 14 2015 10:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On April 14 2015 09:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Stutters, you still in thread? I wanted to ask you two key questions regarding your actions D1.

D1, you expressed that Breshke was mafia. You considered prplhz and plotspot for lynch. You pushed Breshke in two posts, and I know you were AFK a bit from the thread D1, but ultimately voted plotspot after a load of people had done so.

I have two questions for you.

1 As a veteran, why were you so sure that plotspot was scumclaiming and not martyring? I understand some vets are familiar with martyring happening and prp has brought it up himself.
2 I know someone else queried you on it but I'm not seeing the response in your filter - had your thoughts on Breshke changed since D1? And if you were sure of Breshke, why didn't you push him further D1?

1. I wasn't. D1 is a bitch and I hate it. Once it was obvious Bresh/Prpl weren't options, I wanted to see one of the newbies hang because if one of them didn't, we'd be in the same predicament d2 and had basically wasted d1. I've played enough games where people martyr/give up as scum once caught early that I really don't know what to think anymore.

2. I've learned pushing lynches that won't happen just distracts town. Especially on d1 when we can afford a mislynch. I'd rather have a mislynch on someone I can't read, but I think is scum than someone I don't think is scum because I split a wagon, when d1 is a crapshoot anyway.

They have changed due to his n1 posts, but I still want to see more out of him to decide.


Considering you are the lead proponent of his lynch and (I could be wrong here?) you have yet to play with him, so...


I was voting him because of some comment he made in which he basically softed power role. He seemed to ignore the question when he first came back yesterday so that made me even more intrigued but i like his recent answer and am willing to let it slide until next day phase.

##Unvote

I currently want to lynch bourne but i need to read what rso wrote about him again and also read your case on him.

Also i think it is safe to infer we have a etup with a veteran and not a medic as noone has claimed roleblocked meaning scum most likely roleblocked HF which they would only do if they feared he was a vet. Or maybe a vigi but i find that less likely.




Why? Who is going to prot the new guy?


Roleblocks are notified. Noone has said they were roleblocked which you 100% do because theres no reason not to. This means that HF was roleblocked as he was killed.

There is only a couple cases where this is useful. You must remember scum knows the setup

If he is cop and gets medic saved he doesn't get a check (not likely if it is a cop medic setup scum would probs try spread out their kill and roleblock unless they were sure someone was a role.

If he is vigi he dies and doesn't get his shot off. (This doesn't feel that important as even if the vigi shot htis town doesn't gain a miss lynch and there is a possibility of vigi hitting a town.)

Finally if they know there is a vet they want to ensure that they dont have to put kp on him twice. While this doesn't gain town a miss lynch town gains a confirmed town for at least one phase.


ah, nvm, i am apparently having reading comprehension issues lol >< you're referring to the possible setups not containing both a doc and a vet okay ^^
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
April 14 2015 03:20 GMT
#1349
Trfel's post shows he clearly hasn't read anything on regards to prpl I've said or he wouldn't view that as a positive for prpl, null at best. Or he would refute what I said.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 14 2015 03:24 GMT
#1350
anyone around?
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
April 14 2015 03:25 GMT
#1351
Also, Breahke's logic makes sense, but I can't shake the feeling he plays scum like I do. Reminds me to follow up when I'm not drunk tomorrow. It just feels off.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 14 2015 03:25 GMT
#1352
On April 14 2015 12:20 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2015 11:37 Breshke wrote:
On April 14 2015 11:27 Stutters695 wrote:
On April 14 2015 11:03 Breshke wrote:
On April 14 2015 10:51 Half the Sky wrote:
Breshke, what are your thoughts on Stutters's latest comments? I honestly was going to case him based on his voting plotspot, and then realising he was in the thread, decided it'd be more efficient directly asking him xD

On April 14 2015 10:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On April 14 2015 09:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Stutters, you still in thread? I wanted to ask you two key questions regarding your actions D1.

D1, you expressed that Breshke was mafia. You considered prplhz and plotspot for lynch. You pushed Breshke in two posts, and I know you were AFK a bit from the thread D1, but ultimately voted plotspot after a load of people had done so.

I have two questions for you.

1 As a veteran, why were you so sure that plotspot was scumclaiming and not martyring? I understand some vets are familiar with martyring happening and prp has brought it up himself.
2 I know someone else queried you on it but I'm not seeing the response in your filter - had your thoughts on Breshke changed since D1? And if you were sure of Breshke, why didn't you push him further D1?

1. I wasn't. D1 is a bitch and I hate it. Once it was obvious Bresh/Prpl weren't options, I wanted to see one of the newbies hang because if one of them didn't, we'd be in the same predicament d2 and had basically wasted d1. I've played enough games where people martyr/give up as scum once caught early that I really don't know what to think anymore.

2. I've learned pushing lynches that won't happen just distracts town. Especially on d1 when we can afford a mislynch. I'd rather have a mislynch on someone I can't read, but I think is scum than someone I don't think is scum because I split a wagon, when d1 is a crapshoot anyway.

They have changed due to his n1 posts, but I still want to see more out of him to decide.


Considering you are the lead proponent of his lynch and (I could be wrong here?) you have yet to play with him, so...


I was voting him because of some comment he made in which he basically softed power role. He seemed to ignore the question when he first came back yesterday so that made me even more intrigued but i like his recent answer and am willing to let it slide until next day phase.

##Unvote

I currently want to lynch bourne but i need to read what rso wrote about him again and also read your case on him.

Also i think it is safe to infer we have a etup with a veteran and not a medic as noone has claimed roleblocked meaning scum most likely roleblocked HF which they would only do if they feared he was a vet. Or maybe a vigi but i find that less likely.




Why? Who is going to prot the new guy?


Roleblocks are notified. Noone has said they were roleblocked which you 100% do because theres no reason not to. This means that HF was roleblocked as he was killed.

There is only a couple cases where this is useful. You must remember scum knows the setup

If he is cop and gets medic saved he doesn't get a check (not likely if it is a cop medic setup scum would probs try spread out their kill and roleblock unless they were sure someone was a role.

If he is vigi he dies and doesn't get his shot off. (This doesn't feel that important as even if the vigi shot htis town doesn't gain a miss lynch and there is a possibility of vigi hitting a town.)

Finally if they know there is a vet they want to ensure that they dont have to put kp on him twice. While this doesn't gain town a miss lynch town gains a confirmed town for at least one phase.


ah, nvm, i am apparently having reading comprehension issues lol >< you're referring to the possible setups not containing both a doc and a vet okay ^^


There is no setup with both doc and vet? Idk if im misreading what you mean but there is 1 of vigi/cop and one of vet/medic

Im saying because of mafias roleblock im like 85% sure we have a vet.

I could go further and say there is probably a vigi aswell but that logic comes down to personal preference and how much they thought HF would be a threat.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
April 14 2015 03:25 GMT
#1353
On April 14 2015 12:24 Tubesock wrote:
anyone around?

Sup bb
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 14 2015 03:25 GMT
#1354
On April 14 2015 12:25 Stutters695 wrote:
Also, Breahke's logic makes sense, but I can't shake the feeling he plays scum like I do. Reminds me to follow up when I'm not drunk tomorrow. It just feels off.


Lol do you play scum really badly? If so we play scum the same
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 14 2015 03:28 GMT
#1355
I think you're right Breshke. No reason for someone to not claim RB.

Trfel said he still wasn't caught up. I think he's only to the end of the Day 1? He's looking pretty towny though. Course, he could be doing this as scum to solidify his entrance but that seems like a lot of work.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 14 2015 03:29 GMT
#1356
On April 14 2015 12:25 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2015 12:20 rsoultin wrote:
On April 14 2015 11:37 Breshke wrote:
On April 14 2015 11:27 Stutters695 wrote:
On April 14 2015 11:03 Breshke wrote:
On April 14 2015 10:51 Half the Sky wrote:
Breshke, what are your thoughts on Stutters's latest comments? I honestly was going to case him based on his voting plotspot, and then realising he was in the thread, decided it'd be more efficient directly asking him xD

On April 14 2015 10:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On April 14 2015 09:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Stutters, you still in thread? I wanted to ask you two key questions regarding your actions D1.

D1, you expressed that Breshke was mafia. You considered prplhz and plotspot for lynch. You pushed Breshke in two posts, and I know you were AFK a bit from the thread D1, but ultimately voted plotspot after a load of people had done so.

I have two questions for you.

1 As a veteran, why were you so sure that plotspot was scumclaiming and not martyring? I understand some vets are familiar with martyring happening and prp has brought it up himself.
2 I know someone else queried you on it but I'm not seeing the response in your filter - had your thoughts on Breshke changed since D1? And if you were sure of Breshke, why didn't you push him further D1?

1. I wasn't. D1 is a bitch and I hate it. Once it was obvious Bresh/Prpl weren't options, I wanted to see one of the newbies hang because if one of them didn't, we'd be in the same predicament d2 and had basically wasted d1. I've played enough games where people martyr/give up as scum once caught early that I really don't know what to think anymore.

2. I've learned pushing lynches that won't happen just distracts town. Especially on d1 when we can afford a mislynch. I'd rather have a mislynch on someone I can't read, but I think is scum than someone I don't think is scum because I split a wagon, when d1 is a crapshoot anyway.

They have changed due to his n1 posts, but I still want to see more out of him to decide.


Considering you are the lead proponent of his lynch and (I could be wrong here?) you have yet to play with him, so...


I was voting him because of some comment he made in which he basically softed power role. He seemed to ignore the question when he first came back yesterday so that made me even more intrigued but i like his recent answer and am willing to let it slide until next day phase.

##Unvote

I currently want to lynch bourne but i need to read what rso wrote about him again and also read your case on him.

Also i think it is safe to infer we have a etup with a veteran and not a medic as noone has claimed roleblocked meaning scum most likely roleblocked HF which they would only do if they feared he was a vet. Or maybe a vigi but i find that less likely.




Why? Who is going to prot the new guy?


Roleblocks are notified. Noone has said they were roleblocked which you 100% do because theres no reason not to. This means that HF was roleblocked as he was killed.

There is only a couple cases where this is useful. You must remember scum knows the setup

If he is cop and gets medic saved he doesn't get a check (not likely if it is a cop medic setup scum would probs try spread out their kill and roleblock unless they were sure someone was a role.

If he is vigi he dies and doesn't get his shot off. (This doesn't feel that important as even if the vigi shot htis town doesn't gain a miss lynch and there is a possibility of vigi hitting a town.)

Finally if they know there is a vet they want to ensure that they dont have to put kp on him twice. While this doesn't gain town a miss lynch town gains a confirmed town for at least one phase.


ah, nvm, i am apparently having reading comprehension issues lol >< you're referring to the possible setups not containing both a doc and a vet okay ^^


There is no setup with both doc and vet? Idk if im misreading what you mean but there is 1 of vigi/cop and one of vet/medic

Im saying because of mafias roleblock im like 85% sure we have a vet.

I could go further and say there is probably a vigi aswell but that logic comes down to personal preference and how much they thought HF would be a threat.


ummm

yes that is exactly what i just said xP
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 14 2015 03:32 GMT
#1357
On April 14 2015 12:29 rsoultin wrote:
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On April 14 2015 12:25 Breshke wrote:
On April 14 2015 12:20 rsoultin wrote:
On April 14 2015 11:37 Breshke wrote:
On April 14 2015 11:27 Stutters695 wrote:
On April 14 2015 11:03 Breshke wrote:
On April 14 2015 10:51 Half the Sky wrote:
Breshke, what are your thoughts on Stutters's latest comments? I honestly was going to case him based on his voting plotspot, and then realising he was in the thread, decided it'd be more efficient directly asking him xD

On April 14 2015 10:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On April 14 2015 09:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Stutters, you still in thread? I wanted to ask you two key questions regarding your actions D1.

D1, you expressed that Breshke was mafia. You considered prplhz and plotspot for lynch. You pushed Breshke in two posts, and I know you were AFK a bit from the thread D1, but ultimately voted plotspot after a load of people had done so.

I have two questions for you.

1 As a veteran, why were you so sure that plotspot was scumclaiming and not martyring? I understand some vets are familiar with martyring happening and prp has brought it up himself.
2 I know someone else queried you on it but I'm not seeing the response in your filter - had your thoughts on Breshke changed since D1? And if you were sure of Breshke, why didn't you push him further D1?

1. I wasn't. D1 is a bitch and I hate it. Once it was obvious Bresh/Prpl weren't options, I wanted to see one of the newbies hang because if one of them didn't, we'd be in the same predicament d2 and had basically wasted d1. I've played enough games where people martyr/give up as scum once caught early that I really don't know what to think anymore.

2. I've learned pushing lynches that won't happen just distracts town. Especially on d1 when we can afford a mislynch. I'd rather have a mislynch on someone I can't read, but I think is scum than someone I don't think is scum because I split a wagon, when d1 is a crapshoot anyway.

They have changed due to his n1 posts, but I still want to see more out of him to decide.


Considering you are the lead proponent of his lynch and (I could be wrong here?) you have yet to play with him, so...


I was voting him because of some comment he made in which he basically softed power role. He seemed to ignore the question when he first came back yesterday so that made me even more intrigued but i like his recent answer and am willing to let it slide until next day phase.

##Unvote

I currently want to lynch bourne but i need to read what rso wrote about him again and also read your case on him.

Also i think it is safe to infer we have a etup with a veteran and not a medic as noone has claimed roleblocked meaning scum most likely roleblocked HF which they would only do if they feared he was a vet. Or maybe a vigi but i find that less likely.




Why? Who is going to prot the new guy?


Roleblocks are notified. Noone has said they were roleblocked which you 100% do because theres no reason not to. This means that HF was roleblocked as he was killed.

There is only a couple cases where this is useful. You must remember scum knows the setup

If he is cop and gets medic saved he doesn't get a check (not likely if it is a cop medic setup scum would probs try spread out their kill and roleblock unless they were sure someone was a role.

If he is vigi he dies and doesn't get his shot off. (This doesn't feel that important as even if the vigi shot htis town doesn't gain a miss lynch and there is a possibility of vigi hitting a town.)

Finally if they know there is a vet they want to ensure that they dont have to put kp on him twice. While this doesn't gain town a miss lynch town gains a confirmed town for at least one phase.


ah, nvm, i am apparently having reading comprehension issues lol >< you're referring to the possible setups not containing both a doc and a vet okay ^^


There is no setup with both doc and vet? Idk if im misreading what you mean but there is 1 of vigi/cop and one of vet/medic

Im saying because of mafias roleblock im like 85% sure we have a vet.

I could go further and say there is probably a vigi aswell but that logic comes down to personal preference and how much they thought HF would be a threat.


ummm

yes that is exactly what i just said xP


Yeah i thought i was misreading

On April 14 2015 12:28 Tubesock wrote:
I think you're right Breshke. No reason for someone to not claim RB.

Trfel said he still wasn't caught up. I think he's only to the end of the Day 1? He's looking pretty towny though. Course, he could be doing this as scum to solidify his entrance but that seems like a lot of work.


I agree i like trefels analysis (maybe partly because he kind of agrees with me on HTS). Who do you want to lynch currently tube is it still HTS?
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 14 2015 03:32 GMT
#1358
wait now i think i'm confused again -_-

you were trying to say that the lack of an rb claim is indicative of a vet and if there's a vet there isn't a vet/doc setup in the op, right?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 14 2015 03:40 GMT
#1359
On April 14 2015 12:25 Stutters695 wrote:
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On April 14 2015 12:24 Tubesock wrote:
anyone around?

Sup bb


I'm sorry I voted you.

I'm agreeing more and more with your case. I'm starting to think he was setting up some chaos for the next day on anyone who shenanied with him. At first I thought it was HtS making the play, but she's looking towny for that deep analysis she's been doing (and presumeably continuing to do)
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
April 14 2015 03:41 GMT
#1360
On April 14 2015 12:25 Breshke wrote:
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On April 14 2015 12:25 Stutters695 wrote:
Also, Breahke's logic makes sense, but I can't shake the feeling he plays scum like I do. Reminds me to follow up when I'm not drunk tomorrow. It just feels off.


Lol do you play scum really badly? If so we play scum the same

Nah dawg, 2-0, never been lynched as scum.
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