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On April 14 2015 12:32 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 12:29 rsoultin wrote:On April 14 2015 12:25 Breshke wrote:On April 14 2015 12:20 rsoultin wrote:On April 14 2015 11:37 Breshke wrote:On April 14 2015 11:27 Stutters695 wrote:On April 14 2015 11:03 Breshke wrote:On April 14 2015 10:51 Half the Sky wrote:Breshke, what are your thoughts on Stutters's latest comments? I honestly was going to case him based on his voting plotspot, and then realising he was in the thread, decided it'd be more efficient directly asking him xD On April 14 2015 10:26 Stutters695 wrote:On April 14 2015 09:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Stutters, you still in thread? I wanted to ask you two key questions regarding your actions D1.
D1, you expressed that Breshke was mafia. You considered prplhz and plotspot for lynch. You pushed Breshke in two posts, and I know you were AFK a bit from the thread D1, but ultimately voted plotspot after a load of people had done so.
I have two questions for you.
1 As a veteran, why were you so sure that plotspot was scumclaiming and not martyring? I understand some vets are familiar with martyring happening and prp has brought it up himself.
2 I know someone else queried you on it but I'm not seeing the response in your filter - had your thoughts on Breshke changed since D1? And if you were sure of Breshke, why didn't you push him further D1? 1. I wasn't. D1 is a bitch and I hate it. Once it was obvious Bresh/Prpl weren't options, I wanted to see one of the newbies hang because if one of them didn't, we'd be in the same predicament d2 and had basically wasted d1. I've played enough games where people martyr/give up as scum once caught early that I really don't know what to think anymore. 2. I've learned pushing lynches that won't happen just distracts town. Especially on d1 when we can afford a mislynch. I'd rather have a mislynch on someone I can't read, but I think is scum than someone I don't think is scum because I split a wagon, when d1 is a crapshoot anyway. They have changed due to his n1 posts, but I still want to see more out of him to decide. Considering you are the lead proponent of his lynch and (I could be wrong here?) you have yet to play with him, so... I was voting him because of some comment he made in which he basically softed power role. He seemed to ignore the question when he first came back yesterday so that made me even more intrigued but i like his recent answer and am willing to let it slide until next day phase. ##UnvoteI currently want to lynch bourne but i need to read what rso wrote about him again and also read your case on him. Also i think it is safe to infer we have a etup with a veteran and not a medic as noone has claimed roleblocked meaning scum most likely roleblocked HF which they would only do if they feared he was a vet. Or maybe a vigi but i find that less likely. Why? Who is going to prot the new guy? Roleblocks are notified. Noone has said they were roleblocked which you 100% do because theres no reason not to. This means that HF was roleblocked as he was killed. There is only a couple cases where this is useful. You must remember scum knows the setup If he is cop and gets medic saved he doesn't get a check (not likely if it is a cop medic setup scum would probs try spread out their kill and roleblock unless they were sure someone was a role. If he is vigi he dies and doesn't get his shot off. (This doesn't feel that important as even if the vigi shot htis town doesn't gain a miss lynch and there is a possibility of vigi hitting a town.) Finally if they know there is a vet they want to ensure that they dont have to put kp on him twice. While this doesn't gain town a miss lynch town gains a confirmed town for at least one phase. ah, nvm, i am apparently having reading comprehension issues lol >< you're referring to the possible setups not containing both a doc and a vet okay ^^ There is no setup with both doc and vet? Idk if im misreading what you mean but there is 1 of vigi/cop and one of vet/medic Im saying because of mafias roleblock im like 85% sure we have a vet. I could go further and say there is probably a vigi aswell but that logic comes down to personal preference and how much they thought HF would be a threat. ummm yes that is exactly what i just said xP Yeah i thought i was misreading Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 12:28 Tubesock wrote:
I think you're right Breshke. No reason for someone to not claim RB.
Trfel said he still wasn't caught up. I think he's only to the end of the Day 1? He's looking pretty towny though. Course, he could be doing this as scum to solidify his entrance but that seems like a lot of work. I agree i like trefels analysis (maybe partly because he kind of agrees with me on HTS). Who do you want to lynch currently tube is it still HTS?
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Well, I can still lynch Dwarf. I'm thinking about Prplhz. I don't understand why he's so hard defending him. Well, I mean I see his reasons. But why were Plot and Bourneq any different? Or Stutters prior to his Prp case? My tinfoil is saying that he set up the shenany to set up a mlynch the next day. It's pretty easy to see that EoD weirdness will get a lot of talk. We've done nothing but scum random people all for the same reasons.
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Thing is, Prplhz was nice to me about my tinfoil hat theory. And haha I've only seen mafia be assholes to me for that sort of thing. I guess it means I'm wrong on Dwarf, or Prp is town, or I'm right still on the read but not reasons and Prp sees easy arguments to shoot me down.
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Prplhz,
I assume Dwarf isn't your top town anymore right? Who is?
Who are the ton you'd lynch?
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I'm pretty confident that prplhz is town here. I've read Stutters695's arguments (or at least, the posts that I believe he is referring to) and I don't find them to be all that convincing.
He's being forceful, active, and his reads have generally been good. I don't normally see all three of these traits at once from a town prplhz, so I doubt even more that he would play like this as mafia.
I can demonstrate this if necessary, but at this time I don't think that it is necessary. And prplhz can speak for himself.
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On April 14 2015 12:53 Trfel wrote:
I'm pretty confident that prplhz is town here. I've read Stutters695's arguments (or at least, the posts that I believe he is referring to) and I don't find them to be all that convincing.
He's being forceful, active, and his reads have generally been good. I don't normally see all three of these traits at once from a town prplhz, so I doubt even more that he would play like this as mafia.
I can demonstrate this if necessary, but at this time I don't think that it is necessary. And prplhz can speak for himself.
I can see those three things being true enough. What exactly is he being forceful about aside from protecting Dwarf though? I don't think you can say he was that forceful on Plotspot since it didn't take much of any force for people to attack him.
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On April 14 2015 12:32 rsoultin wrote:
wait now i think i'm confused again -_-
you were trying to say that the lack of an rb claim is indicative of a vet and if there's a vet there isn't a vet/doc setup in the op, right?
CORRECT so im saying we most likely don't have a doc
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On April 14 2015 12:57 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 12:53 Trfel wrote:
I'm pretty confident that prplhz is town here. I've read Stutters695's arguments (or at least, the posts that I believe he is referring to) and I don't find them to be all that convincing.
He's being forceful, active, and his reads have generally been good. I don't normally see all three of these traits at once from a town prplhz, so I doubt even more that he would play like this as mafia.
I can demonstrate this if necessary, but at this time I don't think that it is necessary. And prplhz can speak for himself. I can see those three things being true enough. What exactly is he being forceful about aside from protecting Dwarf though? I don't think you can say he was that forceful on Plotspot since it didn't take much of any force for people to attack him. Prplhz has been an active participant in the town throughout Day 1. He started out by voting Bourneq and townreading Soren333. Also, prplhz was one of the main people trying to get off of the plotspot wagon, which certainly wasn't a mainstream idea when he started suggesting it. I realize that the way he did so can be considered sheeping, and isn't being particularly independent, but if you look at how he does it, he is consistent between his play and his words.
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lol >< i've been waiting for bresh to post on bourne but eh
so i know i said earlier that shining seemed okay, but he's like...disappeared, too, but unlike bourneq no one seems to have mentioned it?
On April 13 2015 01:49 The Shining wrote:
RSo, my slot's vote was made by Ace, not myself. I even questioned my own wasted vote until I realized it wasn't me lmao.
Just woke up and found out I don't work today =D so I'll be in and out of here all day. I'll have comments on EoD soon.
not really sure what happened between these two posts, but this is all he's posted today lol ><
and obviously it was pretty worthless
On April 14 2015 01:28 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 01:14 Trfel wrote:
Onegu
Onegu's opening is just terrible. I'm pretty sure that he is scum here. Plotspot was obviously a new player trying to figure out how to play the game, if anything I would read plotspot's opening posts as slightly towny. And Onegu was so quick to jump on scumreading him.
I'd definitely prefer to lynch Onegu than this weird lynch on Half the Sky for just changing her vote.
One scum down, two to go. Ok I'm back in thread. Bro am I high or did you just claim scum?? Didn't you replace Onegu? O_O
it's a pretty far cry from how he eagerly approached the thread in the beginning, and i can't help but wonder if it's a coincidence that he fell off as soon as i gave him that initial townread lol ><
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On April 14 2015 13:03 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 12:32 rsoultin wrote:
wait now i think i'm confused again -_-
you were trying to say that the lack of an rb claim is indicative of a vet and if there's a vet there isn't a vet/doc setup in the op, right? CORRECT so im saying we most likely don't have a doc I suppose you're right. Not that it changes much, but this is a good assessment.
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I agree that The Shining/Ace1312's slot doesn't look very good, but that's mostly for activity. I'm ignoring it for now.
At the same time, I almost wonder if he could have an easier time jumping into the thread if he is scum? Scum replacements don't really have to read the thread, they can sort of make stuff up and hope to get by. Especially in a newbie game. Obviously that isn't a very effective way to play, but many people claim to play scum without reading the thread.
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On April 14 2015 13:06 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 12:57 Tubesock wrote:On April 14 2015 12:53 Trfel wrote:
I'm pretty confident that prplhz is town here. I've read Stutters695's arguments (or at least, the posts that I believe he is referring to) and I don't find them to be all that convincing.
He's being forceful, active, and his reads have generally been good. I don't normally see all three of these traits at once from a town prplhz, so I doubt even more that he would play like this as mafia.
I can demonstrate this if necessary, but at this time I don't think that it is necessary. And prplhz can speak for himself. I can see those three things being true enough. What exactly is he being forceful about aside from protecting Dwarf though? I don't think you can say he was that forceful on Plotspot since it didn't take much of any force for people to attack him. Prplhz has been an active participant in the town throughout Day 1. He started out by voting Bourneq and townreading Soren333. Also, prplhz was one of the main people trying to get off of the plotspot wagon, which certainly wasn't a mainstream idea when he started suggesting it. I realize that the way he did so can be considered sheeping, and isn't being particularly independent, but if you look at how he does it, he is consistent between his play and his words.
Uh, I think he was first to mention getting off Plot and it was a bad lynch. It was around 2 hoursish before lynch. I know, we talked about Plot for a little bit when I arrived after I had breakfast. I don't think he would have switched unless HtS or I went with him. I think he was visibly getting support. I think you can do that as town just as likely as mafia. He wasn't sheeping though. No way.
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Im not going to actually posting much until tonight i think irl excuse i feel like shit and dont have the motivation but that isnt relevant to this game
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On April 14 2015 13:10 Trfel wrote:
I agree that The Shining/Ace1312's slot doesn't look very good, but that's mostly for activity. I'm ignoring it for now.
At the same time, I almost wonder if he could have an easier time jumping into the thread if he is scum? Scum replacements don't really have to read the thread, they can sort of make stuff up and hope to get by. Especially in a newbie game. Obviously that isn't a very effective way to play, but many people claim to play scum without reading the thread.
lol >< true
i know i don't cause i'd get caught in a new york minute but lol he replaced in before EoD though so i mean, at some point that excuse stops being valid
i brought it up less because of the afk bit and more because while bourne is being discussed, shining isn't, which i find odd. plus lol you can't really argue that his post today was...i mean, what's even the point of posting?
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On April 14 2015 13:10 Trfel wrote:
I agree that The Shining/Ace1312's slot doesn't look very good, but that's mostly for activity. I'm ignoring it for now.
At the same time, I almost wonder if he could have an easier time jumping into the thread if he is scum? Scum replacements don't really have to read the thread, they can sort of make stuff up and hope to get by. Especially in a newbie game. Obviously that isn't a very effective way to play, but many people claim to play scum without reading the thread.
I don't think I agree with this at all. People are asking you stuff since you're here. If he showed up people will be asking him stuff too.
In my 2nd game a newbie (I don't remember the name of it, but you were nightkilled N1 trfel in it) There was a replacement scum Scott1313371234123541235 for Gumdrops. Gum made 2 posts and was replaced. Scott's entrance was a thread sentiment list post with nice little links to the post for each player that expressed his read. He HAD to show us he read the thread and was eventually caught up. He would have died right then.
Same with you, you HAVE to show you've read town or mafia. Like, you get leeway but not a pardon.
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On April 14 2015 13:15 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 13:10 Trfel wrote:
I agree that The Shining/Ace1312's slot doesn't look very good, but that's mostly for activity. I'm ignoring it for now.
At the same time, I almost wonder if he could have an easier time jumping into the thread if he is scum? Scum replacements don't really have to read the thread, they can sort of make stuff up and hope to get by. Especially in a newbie game. Obviously that isn't a very effective way to play, but many people claim to play scum without reading the thread. lol >< true i know i don't cause i'd get caught in a new york minute but lol he replaced in before EoD though so i mean, at some point that excuse stops being valid i brought it up less because of the afk bit and more because while bourne is being discussed, shining isn't, which i find odd. plus lol you can't really argue that his post today was...i mean, what's even the point of posting? To be honest, I can definitely see myself lynching him today. It's just not something I really care to discuss at this time.
Oh well, here goes, I'll try to read the rest of the thread before bedtime. Haha.
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On April 14 2015 01:32 rsoultin wrote:
or the truth made to look like a joke o.0
-eyes truffle-
more seriously, y'all both owe me reads xP -cracks whip-
also it's not like people ignored him when he entered so i'm not sure why he just came in to post that and then disappeared again
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On April 14 2015 13:15 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 13:10 Trfel wrote:
I agree that The Shining/Ace1312's slot doesn't look very good, but that's mostly for activity. I'm ignoring it for now.
At the same time, I almost wonder if he could have an easier time jumping into the thread if he is scum? Scum replacements don't really have to read the thread, they can sort of make stuff up and hope to get by. Especially in a newbie game. Obviously that isn't a very effective way to play, but many people claim to play scum without reading the thread. lol >< true i know i don't cause i'd get caught in a new york minute but lol he replaced in before EoD though so i mean, at some point that excuse stops being valid i brought it up less because of the afk bit and more because while bourne is being discussed, shining isn't, which i find odd. plus lol you can't really argue that his post today was...i mean, what's even the point of posting?
I'm queasy on Prplhz right now. Do you really think that he can't act like he is this game as scum?
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On April 14 2015 13:17 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 13:10 Trfel wrote:
I agree that The Shining/Ace1312's slot doesn't look very good, but that's mostly for activity. I'm ignoring it for now.
At the same time, I almost wonder if he could have an easier time jumping into the thread if he is scum? Scum replacements don't really have to read the thread, they can sort of make stuff up and hope to get by. Especially in a newbie game. Obviously that isn't a very effective way to play, but many people claim to play scum without reading the thread. I don't think I agree with this at all. People are asking you stuff since you're here. If he showed up people will be asking him stuff too. In my 2nd game a newbie (I don't remember the name of it, but you were nightkilled N1 trfel in it) There was a replacement scum Scott1313371234123541235 for Gumdrops. Gum made 2 posts and was replaced. Scott's entrance was a thread sentiment list post with nice little links to the post for each player that expressed his read. He HAD to show us he read the thread and was eventually caught up. He would have died right then. Same with you, you HAVE to show you've read town or mafia. Like, you get leeway but not a pardon.
xP
that doesn't tell me what you think about shining
lol and whether you agree or not, some players don't read the thread as scum, or at least claim they don't. whether it's good play or not doesn't really matter? unless this argument has any bearing on shining's alignment i don't see why we're discussing it again -_-
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On April 14 2015 13:17 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 13:10 Trfel wrote:
I agree that The Shining/Ace1312's slot doesn't look very good, but that's mostly for activity. I'm ignoring it for now.
At the same time, I almost wonder if he could have an easier time jumping into the thread if he is scum? Scum replacements don't really have to read the thread, they can sort of make stuff up and hope to get by. Especially in a newbie game. Obviously that isn't a very effective way to play, but many people claim to play scum without reading the thread. I don't think I agree with this at all. People are asking you stuff since you're here. If he showed up people will be asking him stuff too. In my 2nd game a newbie (I don't remember the name of it, but you were nightkilled N1 trfel in it) There was a replacement scum Scott1313371234123541235 for Gumdrops. Gum made 2 posts and was replaced. Scott's entrance was a thread sentiment list post with nice little links to the post for each player that expressed his read. He HAD to show us he read the thread and was eventually caught up. He would have died right then. Same with you, you HAVE to show you've read town or mafia. Like, you get leeway but not a pardon. I mean, everyone makes errors. And no one can remember every detail, most players forget most of the details. My point is that, you know who scum is, and you have scum teammates in the scum QT who can help you. They can tell you the thread sentiment, who the main town players are, who they are currently pushing, etc. Like, I imagine that they could basically tell you where your reads should be at the start of the game with basic reasons for each one, and then that could be posted without having carefully read the thread at all. Clearly he can't admit to not have read the thread (or tried to) here, but I do think he could fake it (this doesn't work if someone analyzes him really well, but good analysis is hard to do).
A town replacement is under pressure to produce content just as much as a scum replacement is. The Shining's inactivity is definitely scummy, but I would still expect the scum team to give him some kind of ground to stand on (unless they're giving him up for dead, or they aren't very competent, or my analysis of how scum teams should work is completely wrong).
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On April 14 2015 13:19 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 13:15 rsoultin wrote:On April 14 2015 13:10 Trfel wrote:
I agree that The Shining/Ace1312's slot doesn't look very good, but that's mostly for activity. I'm ignoring it for now.
At the same time, I almost wonder if he could have an easier time jumping into the thread if he is scum? Scum replacements don't really have to read the thread, they can sort of make stuff up and hope to get by. Especially in a newbie game. Obviously that isn't a very effective way to play, but many people claim to play scum without reading the thread. lol >< true i know i don't cause i'd get caught in a new york minute but lol he replaced in before EoD though so i mean, at some point that excuse stops being valid i brought it up less because of the afk bit and more because while bourne is being discussed, shining isn't, which i find odd. plus lol you can't really argue that his post today was...i mean, what's even the point of posting? I'm queasy on Prplhz right now. Do you really think that he can't act like he is this game as scum?
lol tbh i've seen him play scum once, so if he was just exceptionally bad that game my opinion is completely skewed, however he looks townie separate of the meta, too. i've already mentioned how he took the lead on the thread, his questions were pointed, his reads have been fluid throughout the game...
like i see the arguments but i don't see why they make him scum? so he decided not to lynch plot for acting "weird" and he's always maintained that he doesn't want to lynch dwarf for acting weird...at least he's consistent?
what's making you queasy?
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