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On April 14 2015 09:44 Half the Sky wrote:
Lynching Dwarf would be policy for me at the moment.
Rasputin - what are your arguments in favour of Bourneq being town? Or if you said it before, can you quote it please?
huh...i don't know why i thought i said more on him...it was kinda late when i was going through all the filters again lol but he was fairly active in the thread especially compared to our other newbies and the fluff issue he had with peoples' posts seemed like a genuinely townie thing to focus on...
let me find the post in particular that read townie to me real quick
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Also, Half the Sky, I don't feel that your case on Bourneq is terribly alignment indicative. I can go into it if you would like, but my input isn't that valuable (at least, not until I catch up).
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On April 14 2015 09:56 Trfel wrote:
I must say, there are a ton of hilarious things in this thread ^^
I should play in newbie games more often!
Who do you want to lynch? Go!
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Stutters, you still in thread? I wanted to ask you two key questions regarding your actions D1.
D1, you expressed that Breshke was mafia. You considered prplhz and plotspot for lynch. You pushed Breshke in two posts, and I know you were AFK a bit from the thread D1, but ultimately voted plotspot after a load of people had done so.
I have two questions for you.
1 As a veteran, why were you so sure that plotspot was scumclaiming and not martyring? I understand some vets are familiar with martyring happening and prp has brought it up himself.
2 I know someone else queried you on it but I'm not seeing the response in your filter - had your thoughts on Breshke changed since D1? And if you were sure of Breshke, why didn't you push him further D1?
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On April 14 2015 09:57 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 09:56 Trfel wrote:
I must say, there are a ton of hilarious things in this thread ^^
I should play in newbie games more often! Who do you want to lynch? Go! Read my posts?
If you want more than that, I could tell you, but why would you care? I haven't read the last 30 pages, which I'm sure contains a ton of extremely important information.
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LOL that's three, but yeh you get my drift.
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I'm trying to make sense of your actions D1 (besides inactivity) because I had trouble initially seeing town motivation. You said you would "look into" plot and prp, I know you are pushing the latter now, but I'm having trouble drawing the connection from "well he might be suspicious" (when you wanted Breshke's head at the time) to OMG scumclaim.
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Last post was directed at Stutters.
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just what is the supposed difference between scumclaiming and martyring?
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the analysis on plotspot was actually pretty good (if wrong), and this isn't the first time he mentions "bunnying" up posts lol
On April 11 2015 02:25 Bourneq wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 01:40 Tubesock wrote:On April 11 2015 01:11 Bourneq wrote:
here comes my reads
Stutters is extremely suspicious too me seeing he has next to no activity in the game what so ever.
I am getting generaly good vibes from Breshke, he has been actively driving the conversation in reasonable directions judging by his filter. I dont like him calling dwarf lynchbait and still sticking with his vote however.
Onegus attitude puzzles me. Saying he is not going to tryhard and just going to try to troll and have fun makes me think; mafia wanting to look town but his other posts have not given me mafia vibes so I am unsure here.
rsoultin is annoying me with his emoticons lol. And calling people retarded is just retarded. Either tryhard mafia or not trying very hard town.
Hts looks really town too me but I thinks he is one of the veterans so she could be playing a really good mafia. I would put my money on town for now.
prpl is looking more and more scum to me. It was resonable to jump on me after my first few comments since they were weak but I have given my reasons and continuing with this crusade makes me belive he is scheming. I am certinatly the easiest target to harras given my inexperiance and poor response at the beginning of day 1.
Plotspot is screaming scum to me but I am looking forward to what he has to say when he gets back from work or whatever his excuse was.
jarjar could be mafia throwing reads about early to get in the good book but at the same time I have not seen enough from him to make any quick judgements so I would not place him in either alignment.
Ace is extremely quiet and this makes me think mafia. If not mafia then a town not contributing. Either way he is high up on lynch list for me untill he makes his voice heard.
Soren333 is looking very town too me. I like his resoning.
I like the few posts from Tubesock but would like to hear more.
I really like TBD's explenation of his behaviour but not reading the OP is really reckless and I would like fellow towns to know the rules and the pace of the game. But tbd seems as new as me at this so I will tread carefully here.
Boy that took a long time to write up. As for myself I have been playing poorly even if I was scum or town. I have already posted my excuse but at least it has given me some insight into who draws what conclusion from what I have said. Some conclusions are way more reasonable than others. I agree Breshke is town. I'm missing something with the scum for waffling bit. I am towning him for that specifically, so I'd like feedback on why that could be wrong. I'm not sure about Onegu either. But I think he's worth keeping around for a couple days as he will likely do something that will town/mafia him. Rsoultin was caught as scum a few games ago because her emoticon to words ratio was too low, so this cracks me up. Now you're scumming her for too high of a ratio. Ignoring emoticons and her use of the word "retarded" don't you think she's being more productive than most in the game? She's town. Agree on HTS. She has a few town posts, but again, I'm afraid of her. Prplhz. I'm nully town. You actually brought up some good points but it is pretty tainted with OMGUS. I do think it's weird he's so tunnelled on you. Haven't decided if that's mafia motivated or not. But my next point: Why is Plotspot SCREAMING scum to you? But you're not articulating it? Stuff like that makes Prplhz think you are scum. I liked Jarjar's posts too. I've been meaning to ask him if he's still using his algorithm (something I misslynched him for in my only game with him). Ace needs to step up. His giant posts basically said nothing but "don't kill me". He's my Dwarf alternate. He has a day to bleed town. So far I'm picking from these two. I've already spoken about the rest. "I agree Breshke is town. I'm missing something with the scum for waffling bit. I am towning him for that specifically, so I'd like feedback on why that could be wrong. " I geniunly dont know what waffling is so I would love to know that before I answer. regarding Rsoultin I have no clue about what people have done in past games, I have not taken part in any of them. Any emoticons are too me trying to "fluff and bunny up" your post so thats why I said that. I would not read into it too much I am not that naive. I am also afraid of hts. "Prplhz. I'm nully town. You actually brought up some good points but it is pretty tainted with OMGUS" Im reading OMGUS as me being defensive. It would problably have been more productive to just ignore it in hindsight but I felt it was so unjustified that I got suprised. I understand it looked weird me being a bit cagey at the start how ever but I did state before I even got into the game that I was in the middle of a movie and on my phone. Thats why I did not want to start a big ordeal and came off as just dodging attention or whatever. From reading plotspots filter a few things stand out to me.
"Since the rules states I have to vote, and I can't decide, I vote alphabetically."
"ROFL. You might as well be mafia seeing an opportunity to jump on him. haha" - trying to ridicule somebody to discredit them.
"He's playing like a fucktard."
I count 3 "^^" - bunnying his sentances
But his last post - "Guys I'm at work, tonight when I have time I will try to detail out whats needed. Still concerning Onegu, before it crosses to real life, I said he was PLAYING LIKE a fucktard (for the couple of first posts that I saw at that moment), not that he is one. And he knows it. Judging by his tone he isn't offended." Calmed me down a bit and I am really interested in what he will bring to the table.
I would of chosen another word than screaming scum but I have only liked one of his posts so far so I was at least feeling him as mafia.
i actually 100% agree with this post? xP like, i read it as prp trying to get discussion going, but prp your attempt was so blatant i don't see how you expected anyone to get a read on you from it? unless you expected a townread or something lol and saying something "to generate discussion" when it's that obvious i not alignment indicative for me (just ask trfel) so i see no problem with others feeling the same way, obviously
On April 10 2015 08:32 Bourneq wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 06:25 prplhz wrote:
because of his non committal stance on me The fact that you wrote a fairly pointless sentance stating nothing and then following it up with a question what we think about you not stating anything makes me belive you are either a maffia trying to blend in by drawing attention to yourself so we would think you are not maffia since that would be stupid if you did that as maffia. OR you're a town trying to get a discussion going to give us more information. But voting for me to be lynched out of me not making any quick judgements on you seems harsh and a stupid thing to do as town.
some of these points were clearly his misreading, for instance the omgus one, but lol i get where he's coming from on the dropped reads and you being so insistent on your bloody dwarf read xP i don't think these were bad points and i can see newbie town making them and coming to that conclusion
On April 11 2015 22:30 Bourneq wrote:On to my prplhz read. At the start he was questioning tbd a little, he even asked for tbd's reads but did not get any. Then magicaly he goes for his defence with this Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 09:09 prplhz wrote:
bloodydwarf comes in here and says some weird shit about cops saving him. that seems very poorly thought out and like it's just something his fingers wrote and then he pressed enter. doesn't seem like something scum would just say. considering that scum know the setup i imagine they'd actually be inclined not to talk about it if they can avoid it. This also bugs me Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 03:01 prplhz wrote:
dunno if you're my top townies right now but you seem alright and if you agree that's probably a good sign
maybe bloodydwarf is my top town read but i'm not sheeping him How can TBD be anybodys top town read? This just seemed really unmotivated. Changing his vote too look more in tune with the town. I dont recall seeing prpl changing his tune on hts so why this sudden change of heart? Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 02:31 prplhz wrote:
welll i'm just going to drop bourneq for now he's beginning to put in some effort so maybe he's town who knows. anyway, i'm not getting anywhere with it so i'm just going to drop it.
He then drops his crusade against me when seeing a lack of support. It looks to me like he is afraid of looking scum. Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 02:28 prplhz wrote:
OMGUS means he thinks you're calling me scum because i'm calling you scum
he's saying you have decent arguments but unfortunately he has a hard time believing them because he thinks maybe you're just calling me scum because i'm calling you scum I never called him scum before that post. So why is he fabricating a OMGUS response from me?
i guess what it comes down to for me is on the spectrum of newbies bourne was more actively in the thread and analyzing than the others? lol i'll admit i wasn't really placing my expectations that high for some of the newer players, but i didn't see how he was worse than plotspot or...yes...dwarf xP who still has practically no reads -_-
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I might be interpreting it differently based on what Onegu did in Hammertime, (or how he contexted it) because that was the first time I've seen it happen.
I associate scumclaiming with knowing that scum is positively claiming scum versus town claiming scum (or giving up), which I saw as martyring, and doing it as town.
So if my definition/understanding is off, I'll rephrase the question as follows:
1 As a veteran, why were you so sure that plotspot was positively claiming scum as opposed to a townie giving up?
Ultimately that is what I was trying to get at.
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Last post was directed at prplhz.
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okay i see martyring and scumclaiming as the same thing, someone (seemingly) trying to get lynched.
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now the biggest thing against bourne apart from the tbd/plotspot thing which i find confusing more than anything is how long he's been afk, imo
so again, if i'm missing something, will someone please enlighten me?
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sure, same thing.
like posting "Shit." after the lynch is like "okay he cares about this, he cares that this was a mislynch" but then he didn't even show up to do anything today. seems like he posted it, not because he actually thought that this was a shitty situation town needs to get out of but because he just wanted to post some reaction. and of mislynch reactions this is a very boring one.
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On April 14 2015 10:12 rsoultin wrote:
now the biggest thing against bourne apart from the tbd/plotspot thing which i find confusing more than anything is how long he's been afk, imo
so again, if i'm missing something, will someone please enlighten me?
Last thing he mentioned was "shit" post-lynch and I don't recall any RL excuses in the filter.
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Rasputin, reading your counterargument.
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Rasputin, double checked the filter. Nothing indicative for D2. Cites errands for 1h afk D1 and some gap from D1 starting at 2300. Nothing indicative he'd AFK D2 or later.
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On April 14 2015 10:14 prplhz wrote:
sure, same thing.
like posting "Shit." after the lynch is like "okay he cares about this, he cares that this was a mislynch" but then he didn't even show up to do anything today. seems like he posted it, not because he actually thought that this was a shitty situation town needs to get out of but because he just wanted to post some reaction. and of mislynch reactions this is a very boring one.
true? like i'm not disputing that o.0 he very clearly hasn't posted anything since EoD, which is why i'm fine with lynching him and the points weigh out even
they didn't day 1
lol am i not making sense? ><
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