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same player, piloting both races, z is 300 mmr higher, even tho protoss is supposed to be similar to terran :p
Strudel has proven that P is harder than Z
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XenOsky
Chile2358 Posts
same player, piloting both races, z is 300 mmr higher, even tho protoss is supposed to be similar to terran :p | ||
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SCRVN
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Soulforged
Latvia979 Posts
Any race can roll a set of easier-to-execute-than-to-stop strategies to S...they just are likely to fall off soon after. | ||
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Nirli
Bulgaria387 Posts
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4273 Posts
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XenOsky
Chile2358 Posts
On December 26 2024 02:21 Soulforged wrote: The B/A range is less about your race and more about your chosen strategies. Any race can roll a set of easier-to-execute-than-to-stop strategies to S...they just are likely to fall off soon after. i do not agree, i think that mechanics and game sense is the key factor between 1800 and 2100 mmr. if the player has the exact same skill and same game sense, zerg is going to perform better than p in most cases if not all cases... (im tlaking amateurs, dont get here with 'soulkey bla bla bla', 'snow bla bla bla' shit pls...) for years ive discused with conan and zety that z is 300 mmr higher in ladder than p with same skill, strudel unintentionnally proved me right... | ||
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Soulforged
Latvia979 Posts
But when the difference is good 300 MMR, I'm just going to assume that either the player has vastly more experience with one race than the other, or that they play one of them aggressively, while the other defensively-reactively. Do you know how much effort Strudel put into playing both P and Z? Because 200-300 MMR difference is standard for players who rarely offrace. | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2358 Posts
On December 26 2024 09:33 Soulforged wrote: Or maybe their style chosen playstyle just fit that race more, there's a lot of factors. But when the difference is good 300 MMR, I'm just going to assume that either the player has vastly more experience with one race than the other, or that they play one of them aggressively, while the other defensively-reactively. Do you know how much effort Strudel put into playing both P and Z? Because 200-300 MMR difference is standard for players who rarely offrace. or mb... making hidra and 3 minutes coinflip of a match up, is kind of easier than battling 2-1 or up terran, and hidra bust and zergling all ins... dunno , just a guess... | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2358 Posts
On December 26 2024 09:33 Soulforged wrote: Do you know how much effort Strudel put into playing both P and Z? Because 200-300 MMR difference is standard for players who rarely offrace. all i know is that he got 100 dls for getting A rank with z. and he is to get arround 500 if he does the same with P. dunno about him but for me in terms of effort 500>100 any day... | ||
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Soulforged
Latvia979 Posts
If a player is getting 2k mmr making hydra, and 1.8k stopping allins as P, well, they could e.g. center gate their way to 2k mmr and get stuck at 1.8k defending allins going for lategame plays as Z. If center gate is a bad example, I'm sure there's a bunch of speedlot or mass goon sair skip cheesy stuff that works up to 2k... I guess I'll TLDR my viewpoint and leave this thread: A player can maximize their MMR by going for aggressive plays at the limit of what their mechanics can comfortable handle. And a lot of people trying different races start with those type of strategies, because they're simpler and the player is more familiar with them than with something that requires proactive scouting and adaptation. Then they go on and say that race X is easy, when that isn't a fair comparison. all i know is that he got 100 dls for getting A rank with z. and he is to get arround 500 if he does the same with P. dunno about him but for me in terms of effort 500>100 any day... Is he brand new to broodwar? Cuz if not, I'm just gonna assume he played many thousands of games as Z, and less than 1k as P, and then a 300 mmr difference is exactly what you'd expect... | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2358 Posts
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XenOsky
Chile2358 Posts
he does 8 - 10 hrs streams daily, not the cleaneast or fastest but very solid t user imo. he almost never offraces, he is just doing this challenge for the bread and after 300 z games and 300 p games, those are his results... everything else is speculation (is that a word?) | ||
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Soulforged
Latvia979 Posts
I'd say it still depends on the strategies chosen, but if equivalent approach to the game, that is curious indeed. From my personal experience(main P), both my Z and T are about 300 mmr lower, and at the same level relative to each other. With same playstyle, but context of "I hardly ever play offrace, and also watch much less pro games without a P" So kinda weird seeing that much of a difference here  Playstyles are probably a factor.Actually usually see the reverse, with T/P players being better with P/T than with Z respectively, because of the entire larva economy differences. | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2358 Posts
more t players should try and prove me right :d arto mb¿ | ||
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Soulforged
Latvia979 Posts
Interesting nonetheless, thanks for sharing! | ||
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Piste
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TMNT
3265 Posts
From my personal experience(main P), both my Z and T are about 300 mmr lower, and at the same level relative to each other. With same playstyle, but context of "I hardly ever play offrace, and also watch much less pro games without a P" So kinda weird seeing that much of a difference here Playstyles are probably a factor. The guy is low A Terran so his mechanics is likely "completed", which means his mechanics is good enough to transition to Zerg without any problems (and good enough for P without saying). On the other hand if you're a main P player, unless you're A/S rank, you're more likely to suffer from mechanics deficiency when playing as T and especially Z. "P easiest race" is sometimes a misconception. It's only easiest in the sense that if you start playing the game for the first time, it's easiest for you to learn/gain mmr. But when you have mastered the mechanics side of BW and have a decent understanding of the strategic side, and you go back to learn another race, it's a different story. | ||
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PurE)Rabbit-SF
United States704 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7012 Posts
On December 26 2024 00:09 XenOsky wrote: same player, piloting both races, z is 300 mmr higher, even tho protoss is supposed to be similar to terran :p Your facts are funny as fck. HEY PROTOSS IS HARDER THAN ZERG. Strudel highest matchup WR is pvz. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/FPNux0z.png) | ||
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PurE)Rabbit-SF
United States704 Posts
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