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semmeL
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany85 Posts
April 22 2013 23:58 GMT
#161
Mh an apology for something nonetheless, but not enough at all. Not all problems that accured are handled in his statement. Also waiting for the results they will have after hopefully investigating this clusterfuck of a qualifier.

Seems like zero communication between GSL-ESL-> MLG, so didnt anticipate more than 512 players after u kill several WCS Regions and most of them only have reasonable ping to the US ? Come on it was well known for everyone just thinking a minute about it that China/SEA and other WCS regions will try out in NA, so do atleast some research in advance about these Regions and lookup the Top3-5 placed players for these Regions last years WCS. Make a list of players who cant compete cause of already in EU-Qualifier or GSL Code S, not that HARD.

The players/regions who got fucked over, have to get some compensation like Challengerspots or something alike. Also why not let Comm replay his final match (WCS China Champion should have been in the Bracket anyways from the beginning).

Waiting for MLG to take action and not only do the sweet talk.
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
April 22 2013 23:58 GMT
#162
On April 23 2013 08:47 Chaggi wrote:
MLG's apology reminds me of EA's for SimCity.


Reminds me of this:

"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
April 23 2013 00:00 GMT
#163
Don't worry guys the shit storm is still coming. You got screwed in the Premier Qualifier and think you have another chance this season?

Think again.

On April 20 2013 02:01 MLG Deimos wrote:

There will be a 2nd invite only qualifier next weekend to decide the 16 players entering the challenger league.

9th-40th from the Qualifying Tournament 1, will get an invite the 2nd qualifier.


Should be 4 separate qualifiers where the Top 4 make it in from each. No invites, completely open. Stop with the invite garbage please.
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
April 23 2013 00:01 GMT
#164
On April 23 2013 08:24 Klipsys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 08:18 Empirimancer wrote:
Apologies are useless.




No they're not. Admission of wrong doing is a huge first step in fixing the underlying issue.


It's one thing to type an apology. It's another thing to actually act upon it. I along with many other community members rather hear about the action they're going to take to address these issues and potential other issues that could arise again. So far, we've seen MLG move the broadcast away from DH. The obvious thing to do considering you're chasing viewers. There's one solution.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
April 23 2013 00:02 GMT
#165
On April 23 2013 08:20 critique wrote:
Credit where its due; recognizing and admitting the problems is exactly the right thing to do. Thanks Sundance.

You get credit when you do something, not when you say something.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
April 23 2013 00:02 GMT
#166
Well written apology, but still doesn't change anything for the number of people that were screwed over. Not that there's particularly anything I ask of them to rectify it, but this doesn't "let them off the hook" for the stuff that happened.

It can only improve from here right... ?
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 00:05:04
April 23 2013 00:04 GMT
#167
On April 23 2013 09:02 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 08:20 critique wrote:
Credit where its due; recognizing and admitting the problems is exactly the right thing to do. Thanks Sundance.

You get credit when you do something, not when you say something.


Yup.

On April 23 2013 09:02 Grobyc wrote:
Well written apology, but still doesn't change anything for the number of people that were screwed over. Not that there's particularly anything I ask of them to rectify it, but this doesn't "let them off the hook" for the stuff that happened.

It can only improve from here right... ?


Given their track record I think we'll keep finding ourselves in the woods. Try to keep it in the fairway please. No one likes the rough!
Underkoffer
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands53 Posts
April 23 2013 00:04 GMT
#168
Please just make sure you learned from it.
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
April 23 2013 00:04 GMT
#169
People complain the tournament is too open because it fills up with what amounts to bronzies who take good players spots, and then (sometimes those same people) complain its too closed at that invites or seeds prevent the people who should play to participate. They should not invite people so they can invite the all the "screwed over" people (is there a list?).
SilentShout
Profile Joined March 2011
686 Posts
April 23 2013 00:05 GMT
#170
On April 23 2013 09:00 Hrrrrm wrote:
Don't worry guys the shit storm is still coming. You got screwed in the Premier Qualifier and think you have another chance this season?

Think again.

Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 02:01 MLG Deimos wrote:

There will be a 2nd invite only qualifier next weekend to decide the 16 players entering the challenger league.

9th-40th from the Qualifying Tournament 1, will get an invite the 2nd qualifier.


Should be 4 separate qualifiers where the Top 4 make it in from each. No invites, completely open. Stop with the invite garbage please.


I quite like your suggestion, it makes more sense than what they currently have planned. Hopefully they change it, and implement something similar before next weekend.
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
April 23 2013 00:06 GMT
#171
On April 23 2013 09:04 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 09:02 Assirra wrote:
On April 23 2013 08:20 critique wrote:
Credit where its due; recognizing and admitting the problems is exactly the right thing to do. Thanks Sundance.

You get credit when you do something, not when you say something.


Yup.

Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 09:02 Grobyc wrote:
Well written apology, but still doesn't change anything for the number of people that were screwed over. Not that there's particularly anything I ask of them to rectify it, but this doesn't "let them off the hook" for the stuff that happened.

It can only improve from here right... ?


Given their track record I think we'll keep finding ourselves in the woods. Try to keep it in the fairway please. No one likes the rough!


Their track record from Dallas 11' to now is actually pretty damn good. Going by that, if your still in the woods it is because your a stubborn tree rooted in your soil of rage.
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
April 23 2013 00:07 GMT
#172
Chinese player issues still not addressed
urashimakt
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1591 Posts
April 23 2013 00:08 GMT
#173
On April 23 2013 08:57 Luftmensch wrote:
Apologies are worthless, the ONLY way to make things right is to redo the qualifier. There were too many irregularities for this to be proclaimed a valid tournament.

On the other hand, those who accept the apology can relax and enjoy the subsequent phases of the WCS.
Who dat ninja?
Dr.Sin
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1126 Posts
April 23 2013 00:09 GMT
#174
Its nice they recognize they messed up, but they have yet to remediate important issues like the disqualifications and the streaming.
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
April 23 2013 00:11 GMT
#175
On April 23 2013 09:02 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 08:20 critique wrote:
Credit where its due; recognizing and admitting the problems is exactly the right thing to do. Thanks Sundance.

You get credit when you do something, not when you say something.


Yup. They make apologies every time something goes wrong but they rarely fix anything. There is no excuse to not release replays of all the qualifiers.
Sure they said sorry that we only had 512 spots- but how does that help anyone. All the Chinese players got fucked, a bunch of australians as well. MLG has always played the popularity game and always favored popular players over skilled players. The repeatedly try to force replay casts down our throats and it pisses everyone off- even their own casters dont like it. Axeltoss has said it is really, really hard for them to get excited because they already know the results.

The guys at MLG dont even pretend to like starcraft nor do they take the time to learn the scene. Dreamhack and ESL clearly looks at the scene and picks good maps, brings up new casters, and for the most part they always run good tournaments. MLG has always had terrible relations with the sc2 community and their sc2 tournament director clearly has no idea about starcraft. I mean they were using Antiga Shipyard and TALDARIM FUCKING ALTAR at MLG Dallas in NOVEMBER 2012!

TLDR: MLG gives no shits about the community. Popular players always have a place with them over skilled players.
Long live the Boss Toss!
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
April 23 2013 00:13 GMT
#176
On April 23 2013 09:06 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 09:04 StarStruck wrote:
On April 23 2013 09:02 Assirra wrote:
On April 23 2013 08:20 critique wrote:
Credit where its due; recognizing and admitting the problems is exactly the right thing to do. Thanks Sundance.

You get credit when you do something, not when you say something.


Yup.

On April 23 2013 09:02 Grobyc wrote:
Well written apology, but still doesn't change anything for the number of people that were screwed over. Not that there's particularly anything I ask of them to rectify it, but this doesn't "let them off the hook" for the stuff that happened.

It can only improve from here right... ?


Given their track record I think we'll keep finding ourselves in the woods. Try to keep it in the fairway please. No one likes the rough!


Their track record from Dallas 11' to now is actually pretty damn good. Going by that, if your still in the woods it is because your a stubborn tree rooted in your soil of rage.


I could list a lot more than that and if you call that rage. Gee, you've seen nothing yet.
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
April 23 2013 00:19 GMT
#177
On April 23 2013 09:13 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 09:06 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
On April 23 2013 09:04 StarStruck wrote:
On April 23 2013 09:02 Assirra wrote:
On April 23 2013 08:20 critique wrote:
Credit where its due; recognizing and admitting the problems is exactly the right thing to do. Thanks Sundance.

You get credit when you do something, not when you say something.


Yup.

On April 23 2013 09:02 Grobyc wrote:
Well written apology, but still doesn't change anything for the number of people that were screwed over. Not that there's particularly anything I ask of them to rectify it, but this doesn't "let them off the hook" for the stuff that happened.

It can only improve from here right... ?


Given their track record I think we'll keep finding ourselves in the woods. Try to keep it in the fairway please. No one likes the rough!


Their track record from Dallas 11' to now is actually pretty damn good. Going by that, if your still in the woods it is because your a stubborn tree rooted in your soil of rage.


I could list a lot more than that and if you call that rage. Gee, you've seen nothing yet.


Go for it.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10167 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 00:21:38
April 23 2013 00:21 GMT
#178
On April 23 2013 09:06 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 09:04 StarStruck wrote:
On April 23 2013 09:02 Assirra wrote:
On April 23 2013 08:20 critique wrote:
Credit where its due; recognizing and admitting the problems is exactly the right thing to do. Thanks Sundance.

You get credit when you do something, not when you say something.


Yup.

On April 23 2013 09:02 Grobyc wrote:
Well written apology, but still doesn't change anything for the number of people that were screwed over. Not that there's particularly anything I ask of them to rectify it, but this doesn't "let them off the hook" for the stuff that happened.

It can only improve from here right... ?


Given their track record I think we'll keep finding ourselves in the woods. Try to keep it in the fairway please. No one likes the rough!


Their track record from Dallas 11' to now is actually pretty damn good. Going by that, if your still in the woods it is because your a stubborn tree rooted in your soil of rage.


You probably missed a lot of stuff.

Personally i enjoyed the 5 idra series on a row just because "they only had 1 set of computers to stream and noone got the balls to ask idra to move or something". It was almost as glorious as the starcraft 2 world champion thread, many people rooting against idra so we could just watch something else. Minor mistakes i know, but hilarious ones when you take into account WHY they happened.
Luftmensch
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
277 Posts
April 23 2013 00:21 GMT
#179
On April 23 2013 09:08 urashimakt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 08:57 Luftmensch wrote:
Apologies are worthless, the ONLY way to make things right is to redo the qualifier. There were too many irregularities for this to be proclaimed a valid tournament.

On the other hand, those who accept the apology can relax and enjoy the subsequent phases of the WCS.


Exaggerating to make a point incoming:
"We're sorry for the mistakes made in the voting process, we're aware of them and will try to avoid making such mistakes in the future." But voting doesn't get declared invalid and candidates who got less votes than others get to keep their wrongfully acquired seat in congress. Would you just relax?
You are now breathing manually
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18876 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 00:22:30
April 23 2013 00:21 GMT
#180
On April 23 2013 09:11 mrRoflpwn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 09:02 Assirra wrote:
On April 23 2013 08:20 critique wrote:
Credit where its due; recognizing and admitting the problems is exactly the right thing to do. Thanks Sundance.

You get credit when you do something, not when you say something.


Yup. They make apologies every time something goes wrong but they rarely fix anything.

For rarely fixing anything, they sure put out a shitload of excellent content these past couple years, and many of their events have been some of the best in the scene.

Don't get me wrong, this past weekend was handled like shit, but MLG has a pretty good track record if one does not succumb to pouty child syndrome.
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