• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:24
CEST 16:24
KST 23:24
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy8uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event17Serral wins EWC 202549Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple6SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 195Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments5[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy Rogue Talks: "Koreans could dominate again"
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Enki Epic Series #5 - TaeJa vs Classic (SC Evo) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SEL Masters #5 - Korea vs Russia (SC Evo) ByuN vs TaeJa Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion New season has just come in ladder StarCraft player reflex TE scores BSL Polish World Championship 2025 20-21 September
Tourneys
Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches KCM 2025 Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI The year 2050
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Biochemical Cost of Gami…
TrAiDoS
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1473 users

Sundance Apology Regarding WCS Qualifiers - Page 7

Forum Index > SC2 General
539 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 27 Next All
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10341 Posts
April 22 2013 23:22 GMT
#121
On April 23 2013 08:20 critique wrote:
Credit where its due; recognizing and admitting the problems is exactly the right thing to do. Thanks Sundance.

You have the wrong username.
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
April 22 2013 23:23 GMT
#122
On April 23 2013 08:20 critique wrote:
Credit where its due; recognizing and admitting the problems is exactly the right thing to do. Thanks Sundance.

They get zero credit for putting out a generic apology 24 hours later that deals with none of the issues and doesn't actually have any substance.
Anyone could do that, and most people could do it faster.

Hell, they didn't even manage to get their apology out on time. 11 or so hours to write absolutely nothing.
HOLY CHECK!
Klipsys
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1533 Posts
April 22 2013 23:24 GMT
#123
On April 23 2013 08:18 Empirimancer wrote:
Apologies are useless.




No they're not. Admission of wrong doing is a huge first step in fixing the underlying issue.
Hudson Valley Progamer
Usernameffs
Profile Joined February 2013
Sweden107 Posts
April 22 2013 23:24 GMT
#124
On April 23 2013 08:14 Jochan wrote:
Too little too late, how many times are they gonna fuck up and apologize and in the name of promoting esports we are gonna let it slide...? They have been around for 10 years now ? It's not like there are no other organizations out there, it's time for free market to sort it out...

A while back i heard that mlg bought ipl. I dont think there are any chance for any one else to compete with mlg for a long time, and all the pros like mlg... Small cups like homestorycup and ironsquid are still out there but they are cups not tournaments.
KaiserKieran
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States615 Posts
April 22 2013 23:26 GMT
#125
This seems pathetic. No real talk of what they are going to do just saying vague, statements and apologies.
I think I just need a break from WCS and its drama for the next few weeks.
Nerski
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1095 Posts
April 22 2013 23:26 GMT
#126
An apology is obviously warranted and what not. I'm sure everyone though is waiting to hear how any or all of it will be rectified. Just moving forward would seem like the least popular way to go.

Twitter: @GoForNerski /// Youtube: Youtube.com/nerskisc
Drigger
Profile Joined November 2011
254 Posts
April 22 2013 23:27 GMT
#127
Sundance
I could throw 5 dollar bills into a crowd of eSports fans and some of you would call me an asshole and ask for 10s




PR text
Dear StarCraft Fans:

I want to personally apologize to you on behalf of all of us at MLG for the mistakes we made with the WCS America Qualifier this weekend.

As many of you know, we have been working on a fast timeline with Blizzard and all of our partners to make the WCS a success and bring you as much competitive StarCraft content as possible. Unfortunately we made some errors that rippled throughout the weekend.

First, the demand to enter the WCS Qualifier was much higher than we had anticipated which resulted in many excellent players not getting a chance to enter. We featured a 512-player, double elimination, best of three bracket to maximize individual players opportunity for success, however that impacted the scale of the tournament. Additionally, we experienced strains on both our online product and administrative staffing that should have been avoided. Finally, we admittedly made a poor decision to try to hold back some results of the tournament in order to make spoiler-free viewing a possibility. We will not do that again for any online qualifier.

We have immediately opened the final bracket to the public which can be found here.

We have also created a feedback email address specifically for WCS America. Going forward, please email your feedback, suggestions and complaints to WCSAMfeedback@mlg.tv. Our staff and I will monitor every email and aim to incorporate constructive feedback into our future plans.

Again, I want to apologize personally and on behalf of everyone at MLG, to the StarCraft community, the players and to Blizzard for failing to uphold the level of tournament execution we pride ourselves on.

I assure you that we are making every effort to rectify this for all future WCS America operations.



Sincerely,

Sundance DiGiovanni
CEO
Major League Gaming



Spot the difference!

k3n705
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada134 Posts
April 22 2013 23:27 GMT
#128
Doesn't really say much does it. Kind of reminds me of Gus' apology.
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
April 22 2013 23:28 GMT
#129
On April 23 2013 07:11 bogderpirat wrote:
yeah, this is not enough. i want to see someone get fired over this, the level of disappointment is just too big.


lol

Thanks for stepping up to the plate and issuing a prompt apology. I'm sure things will get better in the future. Cheers -- I'll be watching!
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
April 22 2013 23:28 GMT
#130
well. I had enough of apologies without action.

I want to see results/changes (and their past record....)
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 23:29:09
April 22 2013 23:29 GMT
#131
so many words so little explanation
Snipers Promod & Micro Arena Creator in SC2 Arcade - Portuguese Community Admin for SC2, HotS and Overwatch - Ex-Portugal SC2 Team Manager, Ex- Copenhagen Wolves and Grow uP Gaming Manager in SC2. Just Playing games now!
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10341 Posts
April 22 2013 23:29 GMT
#132
On April 23 2013 08:27 Drigger wrote:
Show nested quote +
Sundance
I could throw 5 dollar bills into a crowd of eSports fans and some of you would call me an asshole and ask for 10s




Show nested quote +
PR text
Dear StarCraft Fans:

I want to personally apologize to you on behalf of all of us at MLG for the mistakes we made with the WCS America Qualifier this weekend.

As many of you know, we have been working on a fast timeline with Blizzard and all of our partners to make the WCS a success and bring you as much competitive StarCraft content as possible. Unfortunately we made some errors that rippled throughout the weekend.

First, the demand to enter the WCS Qualifier was much higher than we had anticipated which resulted in many excellent players not getting a chance to enter. We featured a 512-player, double elimination, best of three bracket to maximize individual players opportunity for success, however that impacted the scale of the tournament. Additionally, we experienced strains on both our online product and administrative staffing that should have been avoided. Finally, we admittedly made a poor decision to try to hold back some results of the tournament in order to make spoiler-free viewing a possibility. We will not do that again for any online qualifier.

We have immediately opened the final bracket to the public which can be found here.

We have also created a feedback email address specifically for WCS America. Going forward, please email your feedback, suggestions and complaints to WCSAMfeedback@mlg.tv. Our staff and I will monitor every email and aim to incorporate constructive feedback into our future plans.

Again, I want to apologize personally and on behalf of everyone at MLG, to the StarCraft community, the players and to Blizzard for failing to uphold the level of tournament execution we pride ourselves on.

I assure you that we are making every effort to rectify this for all future WCS America operations.



Sincerely,

Sundance DiGiovanni
CEO
Major League Gaming



Spot the difference!


1) fuck up
2) do nothing
3) feel heat from fans
5) offer generic incomplete apology (Chinese? Meh)
6) repeat step 2
7) complain about esports
8) profit off esports

Major League Gaming
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
April 22 2013 23:30 GMT
#133
On April 23 2013 07:11 bogderpirat wrote:
yeah, this is not enough. i want to see someone get fired over this, the level of disappointment is just too big.


Well, they cocked up the tournament from the top-down, first by planning not to broadcasting the qualifier than by scrambling to pull together a broadcast at the last minute.

So unless you expect Sundance to fire himself, it ain't going to happen.
Maasked
Profile Joined December 2011
United States567 Posts
April 22 2013 23:30 GMT
#134
On April 23 2013 08:28 zhurai wrote:
well. I had enough of apologies without action.

I want to see results/changes (and their past record....)

it looks like, at the very least, the Challenger League Qualifier will be changed and run a bit better.
At least I hope
(this is going by Slashers recent tweets)
TwitchTV as Maaasked I stream hots (rarely)
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
April 22 2013 23:32 GMT
#135
On April 23 2013 08:29 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 08:27 Drigger wrote:
Sundance
I could throw 5 dollar bills into a crowd of eSports fans and some of you would call me an asshole and ask for 10s




PR text
Dear StarCraft Fans:

I want to personally apologize to you on behalf of all of us at MLG for the mistakes we made with the WCS America Qualifier this weekend.

As many of you know, we have been working on a fast timeline with Blizzard and all of our partners to make the WCS a success and bring you as much competitive StarCraft content as possible. Unfortunately we made some errors that rippled throughout the weekend.

First, the demand to enter the WCS Qualifier was much higher than we had anticipated which resulted in many excellent players not getting a chance to enter. We featured a 512-player, double elimination, best of three bracket to maximize individual players opportunity for success, however that impacted the scale of the tournament. Additionally, we experienced strains on both our online product and administrative staffing that should have been avoided. Finally, we admittedly made a poor decision to try to hold back some results of the tournament in order to make spoiler-free viewing a possibility. We will not do that again for any online qualifier.

We have immediately opened the final bracket to the public which can be found here.

We have also created a feedback email address specifically for WCS America. Going forward, please email your feedback, suggestions and complaints to WCSAMfeedback@mlg.tv. Our staff and I will monitor every email and aim to incorporate constructive feedback into our future plans.

Again, I want to apologize personally and on behalf of everyone at MLG, to the StarCraft community, the players and to Blizzard for failing to uphold the level of tournament execution we pride ourselves on.

I assure you that we are making every effort to rectify this for all future WCS America operations.



Sincerely,

Sundance DiGiovanni
CEO
Major League Gaming



Spot the difference!


1) fuck up
2) do nothing
3) feel heat from fans
5) offer generic incomplete apology (Chinese? Meh)
6) repeat step 2
7) complain about esports
8) profit off esports

Major League Gaming


I want 20 dollar bills, keep the change plz.
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
ArchangelJada
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada910 Posts
April 22 2013 23:32 GMT
#136
They didnt anticipate all these people wanting to play when wcs couple days earlier had 2k+ players? Kinda weak.
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
April 22 2013 23:33 GMT
#137
Good job sundance, though I hope they make changes now rather than later like they say they will .
User was warned for too many mimes.
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
April 22 2013 23:33 GMT
#138
On April 23 2013 08:20 critique wrote:
Credit where its due; recognizing and admitting the problems is exactly the right thing to do. Thanks Sundance.

They didn't recognize or even acknowledge the things that people are most upset about. Which also means they can't admin to those problems because they don't even know they exist. F u mlg admins and PR.
🥇 Prediction Contest - Mess with the best, die like the rest.
Klipsys
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1533 Posts
April 22 2013 23:34 GMT
#139
On April 23 2013 08:26 KaiserKieran wrote:
This seems pathetic. No real talk of what they are going to do just saying vague, statements and apologies.
I think I just need a break from WCS and its drama for the next few weeks.



Okay quick lesson in PR. Making promises in a public forum is the last thing you want to do if you're not 1000% sure you can keep them. How quickly do you think the backlash would come if they made a bunch of lofty promises and then delivered none of them? Relax; this is their business and they're going to do what ever it takes to fix it. If not, they'll go out of business and someone else will take over to fill the gap. This is the natural order of things, let it just happen.

Best thing you can do as a fan is email them with your criticism/concerns and not just post substance less complaints here.
Hudson Valley Progamer
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
April 22 2013 23:34 GMT
#140
On April 23 2013 07:10 Kazuki wrote:
They could've known how many sign-ups there would be just by looking at how it went for WCS EU.


They knew exactly what the demand was going to be, this is just an excuse.
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 27 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
LiuLi Cup
11:00
#2
WardiTV512
Harstem473
TKL 244
IndyStarCraft 243
CranKy Ducklings168
SteadfastSC138
Rex137
IntoTheiNu 28
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Harstem 473
mouzHeroMarine 410
TKL 244
IndyStarCraft 243
Hui .161
SteadfastSC 138
Rex 137
ProTech84
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 1504
Shuttle 941
PianO 917
firebathero 807
ggaemo 741
Larva 719
Barracks 393
Snow 315
ZerO 303
hero 262
[ Show more ]
Soma 177
EffOrt 156
Mong 129
Rush 117
Mind 91
ToSsGirL 86
Sea.KH 74
Movie 74
sSak 41
Sharp 38
sas.Sziky 32
[sc1f]eonzerg 30
Aegong 25
ajuk12(nOOB) 21
JYJ20
HiyA 19
scan(afreeca) 18
JulyZerg 18
Sexy 13
Terrorterran 8
IntoTheRainbow 7
ivOry 3
Dota 2
Gorgc4471
qojqva2044
Dendi704
XcaliburYe204
420jenkins36
Counter-Strike
fl0m1976
zeus760
markeloff361
Other Games
FrodaN2407
hiko755
B2W.Neo714
mouzStarbuck418
Lowko362
DeMusliM328
crisheroes266
Fuzer 178
XaKoH 149
ArmadaUGS124
RotterdaM82
KnowMe81
djWHEAT59
Beastyqt57
ViBE46
QueenE28
ZerO(Twitch)19
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 9
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 5
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2381
League of Legends
• Nemesis2284
• Jankos1165
Upcoming Events
Online Event
36m
BSL Team Wars
4h 36m
Team Hawk vs Team Sziky
Online Event
20h 36m
SC Evo League
21h 36m
Online Event
22h 36m
OSC
22h 36m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d
CSO Contender
1d 2h
[BSL 2025] Weekly
1d 3h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 19h
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Summer Champion…
1d 20h
SC Evo League
1d 21h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Team Dewalt vs Team Bonyth
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Sharp vs Ample
Larva vs Stork
Wardi Open
2 days
RotterdaM Event
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
JyJ vs TY
Bisu vs Speed
WardiTV Summer Champion…
3 days
PiGosaur Monday
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Mini vs TBD
Soma vs sSak
WardiTV Summer Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
WardiTV Summer Champion…
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
LiuLi Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-08-13
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
CSL Season 18: Qualifier 1
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLAN 3
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.