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EvanC
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada130 Posts
April 22 2013 22:44 GMT
#81
Ya, I wanted to see Comm get a spot.
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
April 22 2013 22:46 GMT
#82
well its good that they are sorry but its still a fucked up situation.
they could at least let comm compete against the guy who got a free win because they dq'ed him in the final round. That would actually make a difference.
fire_brand
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1123 Posts
April 22 2013 22:46 GMT
#83
Yeah, I'd prefer to see some action to help alleviate some of the damage they've done instead of an apology. Something productive should come out of this, something to help right the wrongs from the tournament. Also addressing the specific events and how they will be dealt with, and how they were handled would go a long way to placating some of the communities issues.

I doubt a complaint inbox will do much but be filled with spam or trolling responses.

There needs to be action, not words.
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SKaysc
Profile Joined May 2010
United States305 Posts
April 22 2013 22:47 GMT
#84
good to see, but imo comm deserves an invite to premier
Klipsys
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1533 Posts
April 22 2013 22:47 GMT
#85
On April 23 2013 07:44 EvanC wrote:
Ya, I wanted to see Comm get a spot.



That would be nice, but you shouldn't reward bad behavior. I know it's a shitty scenario but he literally broke the rules.
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
April 22 2013 22:48 GMT
#86

First, the demand to enter the WCS Qualifier was much higher than we had anticipated which resulted in many excellent players not getting a chance to enter.

thats just retarded seeing as how wcs eu got 1000+ signups every day previously
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ZeeSC2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States134 Posts
April 22 2013 22:48 GMT
#87
#FreeComm2013
I still think they should have let him play. He deserves a spot! He was straight forward with them from the beginning, and plus he might not have fully understood the rules, something might have been lost in translation.
Inimic
Profile Joined March 2013
Canada153 Posts
April 22 2013 22:49 GMT
#88
An apology doesn't undo the harm done. Important players are basically excluded from major tournaments all year because of this WCS mess- this isn't entirely MLG's fault though, it's Blizzard's too.

They actually think that one of the most important errors was the bracket transparency? Or are they just playing dumb?

What about outright DQing the Chinese champion after refusing him admittance to the bracket in the first place?
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
April 22 2013 22:50 GMT
#89
1. I don't want to hear excuses.
2. I don't want apologies.

All I want to hear about are solutions and what we're going to do moving forward.
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
April 22 2013 22:52 GMT
#90
MLG could probably have got Chinese casters to cover the Chinese players they now don't have in their competition, which would have boosted viewership and could have helped them build their brand further.

12 hours for a PR fluff piece.
Well done MLG, all is forgiven! Oh wait...

Hopefully WCS America S2 will be given to NASL.
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fleeze
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany895 Posts
April 22 2013 22:52 GMT
#91
On April 23 2013 07:47 Klipsys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 07:44 EvanC wrote:
Ya, I wanted to see Comm get a spot.



That would be nice, but you shouldn't reward bad behavior. I know it's a shitty scenario but he literally broke the rules.

he did it because he had no choice because of bad admin decisions. that's why the rules aren't set in stone and can be overturned by a competent admin decision.
unfortunately MLG does not have people that can man up and make such a decision. only the oh so sorry sundance.
BlooDAnGeL
Profile Joined January 2011
Macedonia136 Posts
April 22 2013 22:52 GMT
#92
Wow just a generic "we are sorry it will never happen again" letter, not addressing any issue like why did comm not get a pass given the circumstances, why did they only have only one stream, why did they only have 512 spots compared to ELS's 1024+ and the list goes on.

Also it is kinda stupid to say this event was rushed, it was rushed for EU as well, yet they did infinitely better job than MLG.

Oh yeah and he didn't say anything about Challenger dates overlapping with DreamHack. I would say he even failed to explain/apologize...
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soiii
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany266 Posts
April 22 2013 22:52 GMT
#93
On April 23 2013 07:49 Inimic wrote:
An apology doesn't undo the harm done. Important players are basically excluded from major tournaments all year because of this WCS mess- this isn't entirely MLG's fault though, it's Blizzard's too.

They actually think that one of the most important errors was the bracket transparency? Or are they just playing dumb?

What about outright DQing the Chinese champion after refusing him admittance to the bracket in the first place?


I also feel like the random exclusion of top players renders this qualifier invalid. At least if you want to run a professional tournament of this magnitude. MLG should admit the errors done and rerun everything instead of harming the whole competion that is comming after this.
Radel
Profile Joined June 2011
United States115 Posts
April 22 2013 22:53 GMT
#94
hopefully they can back up the words sundance just gave us.
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hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
April 22 2013 22:53 GMT
#95
As Stephano had said: "It's good to try but it's better to succeed."

MLG's live events are great but their online stuff are below par almost every time.
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GulpyBlinkeyes
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1449 Posts
April 22 2013 22:55 GMT
#96
Some kind of apology is better than no apology at all, but it did definitely gloss over a lot of the controversial things that happened. I recognize that they might not want to call each of those things into light in their official statement, but it's a little disheartening not to see things like Hyun, the Chinese players, etc. even really referenced.

On April 23 2013 07:28 pyrometer wrote:
I have seen to many apologies from MLG regarding previous tournaments etc. This qualifier was just over the top in how it affected players to a point where yet another apology and "we will improve" just doesn't cut it any longer. Cancelled my Gold subscription from lapsing over after this weekend and will wait and see how things improve before providing any more money to MLG production.


This is a smart way to address the situation if you don't like what MLG did. Each person should make their own judgements about what happened, so I'm definitely not saying that everyone should cancel their subscriptions or anything like that. I'm just saying that your dollars and your eyeballs are what MLG are most interested in, so whether you give those things to them or not will send the most impactful messages.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17691 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 22:59:11
April 22 2013 22:57 GMT
#97
On April 23 2013 07:53 hypercube wrote:
As Stephano had said: "It's good to try but it's better to succeed."

MLG's live events are great but their online stuff are below par almost every time.

Blizzard selected MLG fully knowing this.


MLG was put in a very tough situation as was ESL...
this whole thing has been on a very rushed Bliizzard timeline..

its no surprise that several of the "partners" have struggled to put together a solid qualifier.
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BoZiffer
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1841 Posts
April 22 2013 22:58 GMT
#98
On April 23 2013 07:08 Talack wrote:
Apologies are good and all, what is being done to fix this situation now?


Sundance is getting good at apologizing but this organization seems to muck it up over and over again. I would have really liked to hear the corrective steps, or a hint towards what that will be, but this will do I suppose. The slight to the Chinese players to me is simply so egregious...
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
April 22 2013 22:59 GMT
#99
Also there marketeer must have had a complete brainfreeze.. peeps did not want rebroadcasts.. ive read alot of negative feedback over the years about the casting from replay shit that mlg does...

Lets force our MLG businessmodel to the viewers, if they like it or not! /care
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 23:01:49
April 22 2013 23:01 GMT
#100
I'm sure Comm is happy with these apologies. I'm sure the victims of hacks are happy with these apologies.

WCS NA just get worse every single day...
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