EPTSundance Apology Regarding WCS Qualifiers - Page 25
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ninjamyst
United States1903 Posts
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StrafedProtoss
United States16 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On April 24 2013 04:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote: it is up to Blizzard to manage expectations.. quotes like this do not help... Itzik Ben-Bassat: "By numbers, StarCraft is bigger than the NHL" What numbers are they using for that anyways? NHL typically gets 1.86 million viewers per telecast... and definitely more people per season game in the audience than any MLG or equivalent... | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17814 Posts
On April 24 2013 15:27 FabledIntegral wrote: What numbers are they using for that anyways? NHL typically gets 1.86 million viewers per telecast... and definitely more people per season game in the audience than any MLG or equivalent... deceptive people speak in the passive voice a lot.. so rather than a direct quote ... the Blizz exec says "we were just told that by the numbers...". "we" "by the numbers" is so vague.. i suspect 1 stream viewer watching Incontrol off-race as Zerg and baneling busting platinum players for shits and giggles... is the equivalent of 1 guy who pays $500+ to sit between the blue lines of a Leaf game while eating his $14 ice cream sandwich as he washes it down with a $6 bottled water. The Maple Leafs generate more money in 1 home game than Blizzard makes in revenue for an entire Blizzcon weekend. How is that for "numbers", Mr Itzik Ben-Bassat of Blizzard? Maybe if Blizzard focused more of their time and attention on selecting their "partners" and setting proper guidelines and strucutres rather than running around making silly PR quotes... maybe the chinese champion would've been given a shot at being part of the WCS. | ||
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dashiz
Costa Rica193 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_folder_media/EFAUM8KBXM7Y1365812749410.jpg) it looks like mlg is gonna host another qualifier for code A spots this 27, can anyone confirm this? | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On April 24 2013 12:52 Shinta) wrote: It's quite simple. You leave failures in charge, you continually see failure as the outcome. I'm not saying we need to get everyone fired, I'm saying you need to use your words and express the communities beliefs. Otherwise, you'll have bad people leading bad organizations. I didn't and am not saying don't do that, I'm saying don't form a mob and call for people to be fired or try to ruin people's reputations. As you can see several people in this thread have called for people being fired etc. and that can't help but hurt MLG. | ||
Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
On April 24 2013 16:25 dashiz wrote: from this image + Show Spoiler + it looks like mlg is gonna host another qualifier for code A spots this 27, can anyone confirm this? they have to move the date because of Dreamhack conflicting. They havent announced the new date and apparently Sundance said they are changing some things for the challenger qualifiers. have to wait and see | ||
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dashiz
Costa Rica193 Posts
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Baroninthetree
United States473 Posts
On April 24 2013 12:48 Maghetti wrote: When will the apology for this crappy apology be released? You can tell its a crap apology with a simple text search for words like china, chinese, DQ, disqualified, comm, reinstated, etc. There was intentionally no acknowledgement of the primary issue people had. You're supposed to look at this and see him saying sorry and not realize not only did they not mention the key issues people had but they have no intention of addressing them. With all the threads and comments there is no way they missed the real outrage and misunderstood, they just don't care. Judge from the apology letter, I don't think Sundance even know about these matters like comm huyn hacker or Mia. He just pull off some crappy online apology letter and modified a bit. And the essence of this letter is to make the excuses of unexpectation of over 1000 registers by both them and blizzard. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On April 24 2013 16:27 Shellshock1122 wrote: they have to move the date because of Dreamhack conflicting. They havent announced the new date and apparently Sundance said they are changing some things for the challenger qualifiers. have to wait and see I damn well hope it's open bracket not 512 bracket. | ||
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ProBot
Canada170 Posts
But the broadcast itself was fine, so only 512 players got to qualify this weekend ..... so what? It's their first go at this new WCS format so "the community" should really just chill the fuck out and be appreciative for what you do have instead of constantly being whiny bitches every time there's a hiccup in a tournament ... shit happens, that's life. | ||
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ProBot
Canada170 Posts
On April 24 2013 04:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote: it is up to Blizzard to manage expectations.. quotes like this do not help... Itzik Ben-Bassat: "By numbers, StarCraft is bigger than the NHL" Actually quotes like that are exactly what the community needs to hear because it's brutally honest, people are bitching about a FREE TOURNAMENT, seriously? MLG did they best they could with the time they had, the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea, and the WCS it does feel rushed by Blizzard but at least they're trying. 90% of you sound like spoiled brats on Christmas that asked for a ps3 but got a 360, grow up. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17814 Posts
On April 24 2013 20:08 ProBot wrote: Actually quotes like that are exactly what the community needs to hear because it's brutally honest, people are bitching about a FREE TOURNAMENT, seriously? notice in the quote the BLizzard guy says "we were told" .. that way he is off the hook if he is ever called on it... because he didn't actually say it himself.... he was teh "we" in teh "we were told". there is nothing honest in the backwards passive double speak of "we were told that ...blah blah blah". who told this Blizz exec? Big Bird's imaginery friend: Mr. Snuffleupagus? Who? the brutally honest truth is the Toronto Maple Leafs on Saturday night will generate more profit than every SC2 eSports event combined in its 3 year history. | ||
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ProBot
Canada170 Posts
On April 24 2013 20:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote: notice in the quote the BLizzard guy says "we were told" .. that way he is off the hook if he is ever called on it... because he didn't actually say it himself.... he was teh "we" in teh "we were told". there is nothing honest in the backwards passive double speak of "we were told that ...blah blah blah". who told this Blizz exec? Big Bird's imaginery friend: Mr. Snuffleupagus? Who? the brutally honest truth is the Toronto Maple Leafs on Saturday night will generate more profit than every SC2 eSports event combined in its 3 year history. I fail to see the relevance of your Leafs analogy .... your comparing professional sports team that has been established for almost a hundred years to build sponsors, marketing plans, merchandising, brand building etc etc.... and probably has the largest fan base out of all the NHL teams, to a sport that really has only taken off in the past 3 years ... that almost makes sense. Well no, it makes no sense at all. Oh btw if you only think e-sports is 3 years old, then i already know you have no idea what your talking about. E-Sports has existed since the 80's with live Nintendo / arcade game tournaments broadcasted on national tv and started to gain major momentum in the late 90's early 2000's. The only way E-Sports is going to make anything close to what any established professional sports team does is if tournaments charge the same prices that the leafs do for a live game and when MLG tried raising their prices, you were probably first in line to complain about that like the rest of the community. If your going to complain that there needs to be more money in e-sports, be willing to fork it out. If not, you have no right to be complaining. And what blizzard quote? When i posted this it was in response to what you said to this quote "Starcraft 2 community: where the expectations are higher than Snoop Dog at Bonaroo" which is an honest quote that needs to be heard. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17814 Posts
On April 24 2013 21:11 ProBot wrote: I fail to see the relevance of your Leafs analogy .... your comparing professional sports team that has been established for almost a hundred years to build sponsors, marketing plans, merchandising, brand building etc etc.... and probably has the largest fan base out of all the NHL teams, to a sport that really has only taken off in the past 3 years ... that almost makes sense. Well no, it makes no sense at all. Oh btw E-Sports has existed since the 80's with live Nintendo / arcade game tournaments broadcasted on national tv. The only way E-Sports is going to make anything close to what any established professional sports team does is if tournaments charge the same prices that the leafs do for a live game and when MLG tried raising their prices, you were probably first in line to complain about that like the rest of the community. If your going to complain that there needs to be more money in e-sports, be willing to fork it out. If not, you have no right to be complaining. And what blizzard quote? When i posted this it was in response to what you said to this quote "Starcraft 2 community: where the expectations are higher than Snoop Dog at Bonaroo" which is an honest quote that needs to be heard. Blizz is the one that started down the road of comparing the NHL to SC .. not me. they said .. "by the numbers"... how about we talk dollars instead of "numbers". 3 or 4 posts up you quoted my quote about "SC bigger than NHL" ... somethign about "we need this quote"... or somethin'. | ||
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DifuntO
Greece2376 Posts
Alex @Axeltoss 8h Yay just got word WCS America Premier League Ro32 group stage will be all 100% live next week :D Were they SERIOUSLY considering casting WCS NA from replays? ahahahaha | ||
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ProBot
Canada170 Posts
On April 24 2013 21:14 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Blizz is the one that started down the road of comparing the NHL to SC .. not me. they said .. "by the numbers"... how about we talk dollars instead of "numbers". 3 or 4 posts up you quoted my quote about "SC bigger than NHL" ... somethign about "we need this quote"... or somethin'. Oh ok yeah i was wondering wtf you were talking about. lol the numbers have to be event viewerships and even then those numbers are extremely unreliable because an nhl game lasts 2-3 hours where as most events are 2-3 days. | ||
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ProBot
Canada170 Posts
On April 24 2013 21:15 DifuntO wrote: So i saw Axeltoss tweeting this a few hours ago Were they SERIOUSLY considering casting WCS NA from replays? ahahahaha Not surprising. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On April 24 2013 20:08 ProBot wrote: Actually quotes like that are exactly what the community needs to hear because it's brutally honest, people are bitching about a FREE TOURNAMENT, seriously? MLG did they best they could with the time they had, the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea, and the WCS it does feel rushed by Blizzard but at least they're trying. 90% of you sound like spoiled brats on Christmas that asked for a ps3 but got a 360, grow up. Eh, if that happened some of the best tournaments we'd have in sc2 wouldn't have happened. For the WCS it makes sense to have such a limitation but certainly not for all tournaments. | ||
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ProBot
Canada170 Posts
On April 24 2013 21:26 nihlon wrote: Eh, if that happened some of the best tournaments we'd have in sc2 wouldn't have happened. For the WCS it makes sense to have such a limitation but certainly not for all tournaments. And i absolutely agree that's why i said "the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea" :D | ||
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