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On April 24 2013 21:33 ProBot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 21:26 nihlon wrote:On April 24 2013 20:08 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 04:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 24 2013 03:55 DueSs wrote:
Starcraft 2 community: where the expectations are higher than Snoop Dog at Bonaroo. it is up to Blizzard to manage expectations.. quotes like this do not help... Itzik Ben-Bassat: "By numbers, StarCraft is bigger than the NHL" Actually quotes like that are exactly what the community needs to hear because it's brutally honest, people are bitching about a FREE TOURNAMENT, seriously? MLG did they best they could with the time they had, the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea, and the WCS it does feel rushed by Blizzard but at least they're trying. 90% of you sound like spoiled brats on Christmas that asked for a ps3 but got a 360, grow up. Eh, if that happened some of the best tournaments we'd have in sc2 wouldn't have happened. For the WCS it makes sense to have such a limitation but certainly not for all tournaments. And i absolutely agree that's why i said "the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea" :D
"Only major issue"? How about the part where many players, including NA players like Root's Puck, SEA players, Chinese players, all got their career screwed up for the ENTIRE YEAR because they missed out a chance to gain points in the first season? What about disqualifying a legitimate contender in the final round of the brackets? What about having hackers in your tournament? What about resurrecting Hyun to play after he already got disqualified? Wtf are those, minor issues?
Not enough time to prepare? ESL did their tournament before MLG, and they did a good job at it. They saw the size of demands, they saw potential problems. If you didn't have enough time how come ESL did? It's not a valid excuse to cover up for incompetent admins and broken websites systems. If anything, they should be fixing the mistakes ESL made and improve upon it, instead they just turned everything upside down.
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On April 24 2013 22:58 HereBeDragons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 21:33 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 21:26 nihlon wrote:On April 24 2013 20:08 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 04:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 24 2013 03:55 DueSs wrote:
Starcraft 2 community: where the expectations are higher than Snoop Dog at Bonaroo. it is up to Blizzard to manage expectations.. quotes like this do not help... Itzik Ben-Bassat: "By numbers, StarCraft is bigger than the NHL" Actually quotes like that are exactly what the community needs to hear because it's brutally honest, people are bitching about a FREE TOURNAMENT, seriously? MLG did they best they could with the time they had, the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea, and the WCS it does feel rushed by Blizzard but at least they're trying. 90% of you sound like spoiled brats on Christmas that asked for a ps3 but got a 360, grow up. Eh, if that happened some of the best tournaments we'd have in sc2 wouldn't have happened. For the WCS it makes sense to have such a limitation but certainly not for all tournaments. And i absolutely agree that's why i said "the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea" :D "Only major issue"? How about the part where many players, including NA players like Root's Puck, SEA players, Chinese players, all got their career screwed up for the ENTIRE YEAR because they missed out a chance to gain points in the first season? What about disqualifying a legitimate contender in the final round of the brackets? What about having hackers in your tournament? What about resurrecting Hyun to play after he already got disqualified? Wtf are those, minor issues? Not enough time to prepare? ESL did their tournament before MLG, and they did a good job at it. They saw the size of demands, they saw potential problems. If you didn't have enough time how come ESL did? It's not a valid excuse to cover up for incompetent admins and broken websites systems. If anything, they should be fixing the mistakes ESL made and improve upon it, instead they just turned everything upside down.
I made more than one post ... try reading them. Career's ruined for an entire year? Please, most of them are only missing out on $500 .. and there are other tournaments throughout the year. It's a shitty buzz but not the end of the world and it's shit that'll be fixed over time. Are you losing out on money? Probably not, they can try to re-qualify in 3 months and go from there, so again from a community standpoint fucking relax.
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On April 25 2013 00:02 ProBot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 22:58 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 24 2013 21:33 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 21:26 nihlon wrote:On April 24 2013 20:08 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 04:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 24 2013 03:55 DueSs wrote:
Starcraft 2 community: where the expectations are higher than Snoop Dog at Bonaroo. it is up to Blizzard to manage expectations.. quotes like this do not help... Itzik Ben-Bassat: "By numbers, StarCraft is bigger than the NHL" Actually quotes like that are exactly what the community needs to hear because it's brutally honest, people are bitching about a FREE TOURNAMENT, seriously? MLG did they best they could with the time they had, the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea, and the WCS it does feel rushed by Blizzard but at least they're trying. 90% of you sound like spoiled brats on Christmas that asked for a ps3 but got a 360, grow up. Eh, if that happened some of the best tournaments we'd have in sc2 wouldn't have happened. For the WCS it makes sense to have such a limitation but certainly not for all tournaments. And i absolutely agree that's why i said "the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea" :D "Only major issue"? How about the part where many players, including NA players like Root's Puck, SEA players, Chinese players, all got their career screwed up for the ENTIRE YEAR because they missed out a chance to gain points in the first season? What about disqualifying a legitimate contender in the final round of the brackets? What about having hackers in your tournament? What about resurrecting Hyun to play after he already got disqualified? Wtf are those, minor issues? Not enough time to prepare? ESL did their tournament before MLG, and they did a good job at it. They saw the size of demands, they saw potential problems. If you didn't have enough time how come ESL did? It's not a valid excuse to cover up for incompetent admins and broken websites systems. If anything, they should be fixing the mistakes ESL made and improve upon it, instead they just turned everything upside down. I made more than one post ... try reading them. Career's ruined for an entire year? Please, most of them are only missing out on $500 .. and there are other tournaments throughout the year. It's a shitty buzz but not the end of the world and it's shit that'll be fixed over time. Are you losing out on money? Probably not, they can try to re-qualify in 3 months and go from there, so again from a community standpoint fucking relax.
There are only 3 seasons for the entire year, if you miss 1/3 of the potential points, good luck trying to catch up to people who made it into the Premier league during the first season. People who made it to Premier have more chances to stay in Premier than people who had to go through Challenger first. MLG condemned them to a massive deficit during the whole year because they made stupid decisions and poor planning after already having a good example to copy from. This is not "just a shitty buzz," you're just oblivious to it. Why don't you can go tell people who lost to hackers and those who got disqualified and those who weren't allowed to participate to "fucking relax."
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On April 24 2013 16:42 Baroninthetree wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 12:48 Maghetti wrote:
When will the apology for this crappy apology be released? You can tell its a crap apology with a simple text search for words like china, chinese, DQ, disqualified, comm, reinstated, etc. There was intentionally no acknowledgement of the primary issue people had. You're supposed to look at this and see him saying sorry and not realize not only did they not mention the key issues people had but they have no intention of addressing them. With all the threads and comments there is no way they missed the real outrage and misunderstood, they just don't care. Judge from the apology letter, I don't think Sundance even know about these matters like comm huyn hacker or Mia. He just pull off some crappy online apology letter and modified a bit. And the essence of this letter is to make the excuses of unexpectation of over 1000 registers by both them and blizzard.
He did know about those issues, that is my point, or one of them anyways. He got tweeted at in excess, the LR thread was a wall of complaining about these issues, and there have been many threads about it. To not know about those complaints is a firing offense worthy incompetence. But of course, he did know, but doesn't plan to do anything about them so intentionally left out the key complaints and hoped people wouldn't notice.
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On April 25 2013 00:56 HereBeDragons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 00:02 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 22:58 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 24 2013 21:33 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 21:26 nihlon wrote:On April 24 2013 20:08 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 04:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 24 2013 03:55 DueSs wrote:
Starcraft 2 community: where the expectations are higher than Snoop Dog at Bonaroo. it is up to Blizzard to manage expectations.. quotes like this do not help... Itzik Ben-Bassat: "By numbers, StarCraft is bigger than the NHL" Actually quotes like that are exactly what the community needs to hear because it's brutally honest, people are bitching about a FREE TOURNAMENT, seriously? MLG did they best they could with the time they had, the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea, and the WCS it does feel rushed by Blizzard but at least they're trying. 90% of you sound like spoiled brats on Christmas that asked for a ps3 but got a 360, grow up. Eh, if that happened some of the best tournaments we'd have in sc2 wouldn't have happened. For the WCS it makes sense to have such a limitation but certainly not for all tournaments. And i absolutely agree that's why i said "the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea" :D "Only major issue"? How about the part where many players, including NA players like Root's Puck, SEA players, Chinese players, all got their career screwed up for the ENTIRE YEAR because they missed out a chance to gain points in the first season? What about disqualifying a legitimate contender in the final round of the brackets? What about having hackers in your tournament? What about resurrecting Hyun to play after he already got disqualified? Wtf are those, minor issues? Not enough time to prepare? ESL did their tournament before MLG, and they did a good job at it. They saw the size of demands, they saw potential problems. If you didn't have enough time how come ESL did? It's not a valid excuse to cover up for incompetent admins and broken websites systems. If anything, they should be fixing the mistakes ESL made and improve upon it, instead they just turned everything upside down. I made more than one post ... try reading them. Career's ruined for an entire year? Please, most of them are only missing out on $500 .. and there are other tournaments throughout the year. It's a shitty buzz but not the end of the world and it's shit that'll be fixed over time. Are you losing out on money? Probably not, they can try to re-qualify in 3 months and go from there, so again from a community standpoint fucking relax. There are only 3 seasons for the entire year, if you miss 1/3 of the potential points, good luck trying to catch up to people who made it into the Premier league during the first season. People who made it to Premier have more chances to stay in Premier than people who had to go through Challenger first. MLG condemned them to a massive deficit during the whole year because they made stupid decisions and poor planning after already having a good example to copy from. This is not "just a shitty buzz," you're just oblivious to it. Why don't you can go tell people who lost to hackers and got disqualified and got left out of the tournament to "fucking relax."
So their careers are "ruined for the year" because they were not given the chance to qualify to the current premier league? So, what you're saying is that, if Blizzard hadn't come up with the WCS, their careers for the year would've been ruined anyway? 'Cause the WCS, as it is this year, is something completely new, and their chances of participating in, and winning, other non-WCS tournaments are still the same as they were before this qualifier. So please explain, how can not allowing you to qualify to a single tournament that that did not even exist before this year, ruin your carreer for the year? How can it "condemn your to a massive deficit" if you can still play in all the other tournaments you were gonna play in anyway?
The only way I can see any of that happening is if you were already doing really bad, and qualifying to premier league was your only chance of not having to retire, but in that case you were screwed anyway if there wasn't any WCS. So, at the very worst, they didn't save some careers, but you can't say they "condemned" anyone.
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On April 25 2013 01:17 Disco.stu. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 00:56 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 25 2013 00:02 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 22:58 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 24 2013 21:33 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 21:26 nihlon wrote:On April 24 2013 20:08 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 04:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 24 2013 03:55 DueSs wrote:
Starcraft 2 community: where the expectations are higher than Snoop Dog at Bonaroo. it is up to Blizzard to manage expectations.. quotes like this do not help... Itzik Ben-Bassat: "By numbers, StarCraft is bigger than the NHL" Actually quotes like that are exactly what the community needs to hear because it's brutally honest, people are bitching about a FREE TOURNAMENT, seriously? MLG did they best they could with the time they had, the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea, and the WCS it does feel rushed by Blizzard but at least they're trying. 90% of you sound like spoiled brats on Christmas that asked for a ps3 but got a 360, grow up. Eh, if that happened some of the best tournaments we'd have in sc2 wouldn't have happened. For the WCS it makes sense to have such a limitation but certainly not for all tournaments. And i absolutely agree that's why i said "the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea" :D "Only major issue"? How about the part where many players, including NA players like Root's Puck, SEA players, Chinese players, all got their career screwed up for the ENTIRE YEAR because they missed out a chance to gain points in the first season? What about disqualifying a legitimate contender in the final round of the brackets? What about having hackers in your tournament? What about resurrecting Hyun to play after he already got disqualified? Wtf are those, minor issues? Not enough time to prepare? ESL did their tournament before MLG, and they did a good job at it. They saw the size of demands, they saw potential problems. If you didn't have enough time how come ESL did? It's not a valid excuse to cover up for incompetent admins and broken websites systems. If anything, they should be fixing the mistakes ESL made and improve upon it, instead they just turned everything upside down. I made more than one post ... try reading them. Career's ruined for an entire year? Please, most of them are only missing out on $500 .. and there are other tournaments throughout the year. It's a shitty buzz but not the end of the world and it's shit that'll be fixed over time. Are you losing out on money? Probably not, they can try to re-qualify in 3 months and go from there, so again from a community standpoint fucking relax. There are only 3 seasons for the entire year, if you miss 1/3 of the potential points, good luck trying to catch up to people who made it into the Premier league during the first season. People who made it to Premier have more chances to stay in Premier than people who had to go through Challenger first. MLG condemned them to a massive deficit during the whole year because they made stupid decisions and poor planning after already having a good example to copy from. This is not "just a shitty buzz," you're just oblivious to it. Why don't you can go tell people who lost to hackers and got disqualified and got left out of the tournament to "fucking relax." So their careers are "ruined for the year" because they were not given the chance to qualify to the current premier league? So, what you're saying is that, if Blizzard hadn't come up with the WCS, their careers for the year would've been ruined anyway? 'Cause the WCS, as it is this year, is something completely new, and their chances of participating in, and winning, other non-WCS tournaments are still the same as they were before this qualifier. So please explain, how can not allowing you to qualify to a single tournament that that did not even exist before this year, ruin your carreer for the year? How can it "condemn your to a massive deficit" if you can still play in all the other tournaments you were gonna play in anyway? The only way I can see any of that happening is if you were already doing really bad, and qualifying to premier league was your only chance of not having to retire, but in that case you were screwed anyway if there wasn't any WCS. So, at the very worst, they didn't save some careers, but you can't say they "condemned" anyone.
Lol you can't even follow the posts properly, this had nothing to do with Blizzard! All the complained are directed towards MLG who oragnised the tournament poorly, and used incompetent admins who made poor decision. If MLG ran anything close to the quality ESL provided, this shitstorm wouldn't be here. ESL didn't screw players over, and nor did GSL. They are supposed to be the same tournament for each of the 3 regions, but one of them couldn't make it to the standards of the other two - this is what's wrong.
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On April 25 2013 01:31 HereBeDragons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 01:17 Disco.stu. wrote:On April 25 2013 00:56 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 25 2013 00:02 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 22:58 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 24 2013 21:33 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 21:26 nihlon wrote:On April 24 2013 20:08 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 04:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 24 2013 03:55 DueSs wrote:
Starcraft 2 community: where the expectations are higher than Snoop Dog at Bonaroo. it is up to Blizzard to manage expectations.. quotes like this do not help... Itzik Ben-Bassat: "By numbers, StarCraft is bigger than the NHL" Actually quotes like that are exactly what the community needs to hear because it's brutally honest, people are bitching about a FREE TOURNAMENT, seriously? MLG did they best they could with the time they had, the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea, and the WCS it does feel rushed by Blizzard but at least they're trying. 90% of you sound like spoiled brats on Christmas that asked for a ps3 but got a 360, grow up. Eh, if that happened some of the best tournaments we'd have in sc2 wouldn't have happened. For the WCS it makes sense to have such a limitation but certainly not for all tournaments. And i absolutely agree that's why i said "the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea" :D "Only major issue"? How about the part where many players, including NA players like Root's Puck, SEA players, Chinese players, all got their career screwed up for the ENTIRE YEAR because they missed out a chance to gain points in the first season? What about disqualifying a legitimate contender in the final round of the brackets? What about having hackers in your tournament? What about resurrecting Hyun to play after he already got disqualified? Wtf are those, minor issues? Not enough time to prepare? ESL did their tournament before MLG, and they did a good job at it. They saw the size of demands, they saw potential problems. If you didn't have enough time how come ESL did? It's not a valid excuse to cover up for incompetent admins and broken websites systems. If anything, they should be fixing the mistakes ESL made and improve upon it, instead they just turned everything upside down. I made more than one post ... try reading them. Career's ruined for an entire year? Please, most of them are only missing out on $500 .. and there are other tournaments throughout the year. It's a shitty buzz but not the end of the world and it's shit that'll be fixed over time. Are you losing out on money? Probably not, they can try to re-qualify in 3 months and go from there, so again from a community standpoint fucking relax. There are only 3 seasons for the entire year, if you miss 1/3 of the potential points, good luck trying to catch up to people who made it into the Premier league during the first season. People who made it to Premier have more chances to stay in Premier than people who had to go through Challenger first. MLG condemned them to a massive deficit during the whole year because they made stupid decisions and poor planning after already having a good example to copy from. This is not "just a shitty buzz," you're just oblivious to it. Why don't you can go tell people who lost to hackers and got disqualified and got left out of the tournament to "fucking relax." So their careers are "ruined for the year" because they were not given the chance to qualify to the current premier league? So, what you're saying is that, if Blizzard hadn't come up with the WCS, their careers for the year would've been ruined anyway? 'Cause the WCS, as it is this year, is something completely new, and their chances of participating in, and winning, other non-WCS tournaments are still the same as they were before this qualifier. So please explain, how can not allowing you to qualify to a single tournament that that did not even exist before this year, ruin your carreer for the year? How can it "condemn your to a massive deficit" if you can still play in all the other tournaments you were gonna play in anyway? The only way I can see any of that happening is if you were already doing really bad, and qualifying to premier league was your only chance of not having to retire, but in that case you were screwed anyway if there wasn't any WCS. So, at the very worst, they didn't save some careers, but you can't say they "condemned" anyone. Lol you can't even follow the posts properly, this had nothing to do with Blizzard! All the complained are directed towards MLG who oragnised the tournament poorly, and used incompetent admins who made poor decision. If MLG ran anything close to the quality ESL provided, this shitstorm wouldn't be here. ESL didn't screw players over, and nor did GSL. They are supposed to be the same tournament for each of the 3 regions, but one of them couldn't make it to the standards of the other two - this is what's wrong.
Ok, I can agree with that. MLG did not do as good of a job as GOM and ESL did. MLG has to catch up to the quality of the other regions's tournaments, and untill they do so they're gonna get singled out. But to say that they ruined people's careers and stuff, that's just being dumb.
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On April 25 2013 00:56 HereBeDragons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 00:02 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 22:58 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 24 2013 21:33 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 21:26 nihlon wrote:On April 24 2013 20:08 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 04:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 24 2013 03:55 DueSs wrote:
Starcraft 2 community: where the expectations are higher than Snoop Dog at Bonaroo. it is up to Blizzard to manage expectations.. quotes like this do not help... Itzik Ben-Bassat: "By numbers, StarCraft is bigger than the NHL" Actually quotes like that are exactly what the community needs to hear because it's brutally honest, people are bitching about a FREE TOURNAMENT, seriously? MLG did they best they could with the time they had, the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea, and the WCS it does feel rushed by Blizzard but at least they're trying. 90% of you sound like spoiled brats on Christmas that asked for a ps3 but got a 360, grow up. Eh, if that happened some of the best tournaments we'd have in sc2 wouldn't have happened. For the WCS it makes sense to have such a limitation but certainly not for all tournaments. And i absolutely agree that's why i said "the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea" :D "Only major issue"? How about the part where many players, including NA players like Root's Puck, SEA players, Chinese players, all got their career screwed up for the ENTIRE YEAR because they missed out a chance to gain points in the first season? What about disqualifying a legitimate contender in the final round of the brackets? What about having hackers in your tournament? What about resurrecting Hyun to play after he already got disqualified? Wtf are those, minor issues? Not enough time to prepare? ESL did their tournament before MLG, and they did a good job at it. They saw the size of demands, they saw potential problems. If you didn't have enough time how come ESL did? It's not a valid excuse to cover up for incompetent admins and broken websites systems. If anything, they should be fixing the mistakes ESL made and improve upon it, instead they just turned everything upside down. I made more than one post ... try reading them. Career's ruined for an entire year? Please, most of them are only missing out on $500 .. and there are other tournaments throughout the year. It's a shitty buzz but not the end of the world and it's shit that'll be fixed over time. Are you losing out on money? Probably not, they can try to re-qualify in 3 months and go from there, so again from a community standpoint fucking relax. There are only 3 seasons for the entire year, if you miss 1/3 of the potential points, good luck trying to catch up to people who made it into the Premier league during the first season. People who made it to Premier have more chances to stay in Premier than people who had to go through Challenger first. MLG condemned them to a massive deficit during the whole year because they made stupid decisions and poor planning after already having a good example to copy from. This is not "just a shitty buzz," you're just oblivious to it. Why don't you can go tell people who lost to hackers and those who got disqualified and those who weren't allowed to participate to "fucking relax."
Hey genius u can accumulate points from WCS sponsored events at tournaments like NASL and Dreamhack ... so yeah ... fucking relax. Again I'm not saying it doesn't suck but by no stretch of the imagination is it nearly as bad as people are letting on. One of the things MLG is good at is improving on their fuck ups, this community is mostly made up of people that like to bitch for the sake of bitching. There's no appreciation for the events we have now and expectations set BY THE COMMUNITY so fucking high that if they're not met on the first go, out comes the pitch forks. GSL and ESL have been running tournaments with a similar or same format longer than MLG who do their own thing once every couple months ... they're going to be a little behind the ball than the other two. So a little bit of understanding and patience from the community instead of the regular douchebaggery would probably help the situation a lot more than the constant 12 year old nagging that usually goes on around here.
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On April 25 2013 01:56 ProBot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 00:56 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 25 2013 00:02 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 22:58 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 24 2013 21:33 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 21:26 nihlon wrote:On April 24 2013 20:08 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 04:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 24 2013 03:55 DueSs wrote:
Starcraft 2 community: where the expectations are higher than Snoop Dog at Bonaroo. it is up to Blizzard to manage expectations.. quotes like this do not help... Itzik Ben-Bassat: "By numbers, StarCraft is bigger than the NHL" Actually quotes like that are exactly what the community needs to hear because it's brutally honest, people are bitching about a FREE TOURNAMENT, seriously? MLG did they best they could with the time they had, the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea, and the WCS it does feel rushed by Blizzard but at least they're trying. 90% of you sound like spoiled brats on Christmas that asked for a ps3 but got a 360, grow up. Eh, if that happened some of the best tournaments we'd have in sc2 wouldn't have happened. For the WCS it makes sense to have such a limitation but certainly not for all tournaments. And i absolutely agree that's why i said "the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea" :D "Only major issue"? How about the part where many players, including NA players like Root's Puck, SEA players, Chinese players, all got their career screwed up for the ENTIRE YEAR because they missed out a chance to gain points in the first season? What about disqualifying a legitimate contender in the final round of the brackets? What about having hackers in your tournament? What about resurrecting Hyun to play after he already got disqualified? Wtf are those, minor issues? Not enough time to prepare? ESL did their tournament before MLG, and they did a good job at it. They saw the size of demands, they saw potential problems. If you didn't have enough time how come ESL did? It's not a valid excuse to cover up for incompetent admins and broken websites systems. If anything, they should be fixing the mistakes ESL made and improve upon it, instead they just turned everything upside down. I made more than one post ... try reading them. Career's ruined for an entire year? Please, most of them are only missing out on $500 .. and there are other tournaments throughout the year. It's a shitty buzz but not the end of the world and it's shit that'll be fixed over time. Are you losing out on money? Probably not, they can try to re-qualify in 3 months and go from there, so again from a community standpoint fucking relax. There are only 3 seasons for the entire year, if you miss 1/3 of the potential points, good luck trying to catch up to people who made it into the Premier league during the first season. People who made it to Premier have more chances to stay in Premier than people who had to go through Challenger first. MLG condemned them to a massive deficit during the whole year because they made stupid decisions and poor planning after already having a good example to copy from. This is not "just a shitty buzz," you're just oblivious to it. Why don't you can go tell people who lost to hackers and those who got disqualified and those who weren't allowed to participate to "fucking relax." Hey genius u can accumulate points from WCS sponsored events at tournaments like NASL and Dreamhack ... so yeah ... fucking relax. Again I'm not saying it doesn't suck but by no stretch of the imagination is it nearly as bad as people are letting on. One of the things MLG is good at is improving on their fuck ups, this community is mostly made up of people that like to bitch for the sake of bitching. There's no appreciation for the events we have now and expectations set BY THE COMMUNITY so fucking high that if they're not met on the first go, out comes the pitch forks. GSL and ESL have been running tournaments with a similar or same format longer than MLG who do their own thing once every couple months ... they're going to be a little behind the ball than the other two. So a little bit of understanding and patience from the community instead of the regular douchebaggery would probably help the situation a lot more than the constant 12 year old nagging that usually goes on around here.
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/8075454/
It's not financially viable for Chinese players to fly to dreamhack, and even tier-1 non WCS tournaments will get you less than half of the points that a premier league tournament would give. It's still possible to come back from such a deficit, it's just much, much harder. The competition is difficult enough as it is, missing out on one of the three seasons will probably kill your chances at making it to the grand finals unless you're a top tier Korean.
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Still don't know why it was just 1 qualifier and not only that but also capped at 512 players. "They were surprised..." Were they not aware of how many played/registered in the eu qualifiers
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On April 25 2013 02:27 Dracid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 01:56 ProBot wrote:On April 25 2013 00:56 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 25 2013 00:02 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 22:58 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 24 2013 21:33 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 21:26 nihlon wrote:On April 24 2013 20:08 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 04:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 24 2013 03:55 DueSs wrote:
Starcraft 2 community: where the expectations are higher than Snoop Dog at Bonaroo. it is up to Blizzard to manage expectations.. quotes like this do not help... Itzik Ben-Bassat: "By numbers, StarCraft is bigger than the NHL" Actually quotes like that are exactly what the community needs to hear because it's brutally honest, people are bitching about a FREE TOURNAMENT, seriously? MLG did they best they could with the time they had, the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea, and the WCS it does feel rushed by Blizzard but at least they're trying. 90% of you sound like spoiled brats on Christmas that asked for a ps3 but got a 360, grow up. Eh, if that happened some of the best tournaments we'd have in sc2 wouldn't have happened. For the WCS it makes sense to have such a limitation but certainly not for all tournaments. And i absolutely agree that's why i said "the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea" :D "Only major issue"? How about the part where many players, including NA players like Root's Puck, SEA players, Chinese players, all got their career screwed up for the ENTIRE YEAR because they missed out a chance to gain points in the first season? What about disqualifying a legitimate contender in the final round of the brackets? What about having hackers in your tournament? What about resurrecting Hyun to play after he already got disqualified? Wtf are those, minor issues? Not enough time to prepare? ESL did their tournament before MLG, and they did a good job at it. They saw the size of demands, they saw potential problems. If you didn't have enough time how come ESL did? It's not a valid excuse to cover up for incompetent admins and broken websites systems. If anything, they should be fixing the mistakes ESL made and improve upon it, instead they just turned everything upside down. I made more than one post ... try reading them. Career's ruined for an entire year? Please, most of them are only missing out on $500 .. and there are other tournaments throughout the year. It's a shitty buzz but not the end of the world and it's shit that'll be fixed over time. Are you losing out on money? Probably not, they can try to re-qualify in 3 months and go from there, so again from a community standpoint fucking relax. There are only 3 seasons for the entire year, if you miss 1/3 of the potential points, good luck trying to catch up to people who made it into the Premier league during the first season. People who made it to Premier have more chances to stay in Premier than people who had to go through Challenger first. MLG condemned them to a massive deficit during the whole year because they made stupid decisions and poor planning after already having a good example to copy from. This is not "just a shitty buzz," you're just oblivious to it. Why don't you can go tell people who lost to hackers and those who got disqualified and those who weren't allowed to participate to "fucking relax." Hey genius u can accumulate points from WCS sponsored events at tournaments like NASL and Dreamhack ... so yeah ... fucking relax. Again I'm not saying it doesn't suck but by no stretch of the imagination is it nearly as bad as people are letting on. One of the things MLG is good at is improving on their fuck ups, this community is mostly made up of people that like to bitch for the sake of bitching. There's no appreciation for the events we have now and expectations set BY THE COMMUNITY so fucking high that if they're not met on the first go, out comes the pitch forks. GSL and ESL have been running tournaments with a similar or same format longer than MLG who do their own thing once every couple months ... they're going to be a little behind the ball than the other two. So a little bit of understanding and patience from the community instead of the regular douchebaggery would probably help the situation a lot more than the constant 12 year old nagging that usually goes on around here. http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/8075454/It's not financially viable for Chinese players to fly to dreamhack, and even tier-1 non WCS tournaments will get you less than half of the points that a premier league tournament would give. It's still possible to come back from such a deficit, it's just much, much harder. The competition is difficult enough as it is, missing out on one of the three seasons will probably kill your chances at making it to the grand finals unless you're a top tier Korean.
They have those SEA tournaments that are sponsored by Blizzard ... Challenger series or something like that, that's more viable. Altho not ideal there are still options, either way that's a blizzard issue not an MLG issue so not sure what relevance it has to this tread :/
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On April 25 2013 01:56 ProBot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 00:56 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 25 2013 00:02 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 22:58 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 24 2013 21:33 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 21:26 nihlon wrote:On April 24 2013 20:08 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 04:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 24 2013 03:55 DueSs wrote:
Starcraft 2 community: where the expectations are higher than Snoop Dog at Bonaroo. it is up to Blizzard to manage expectations.. quotes like this do not help... Itzik Ben-Bassat: "By numbers, StarCraft is bigger than the NHL" Actually quotes like that are exactly what the community needs to hear because it's brutally honest, people are bitching about a FREE TOURNAMENT, seriously? MLG did they best they could with the time they had, the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea, and the WCS it does feel rushed by Blizzard but at least they're trying. 90% of you sound like spoiled brats on Christmas that asked for a ps3 but got a 360, grow up. Eh, if that happened some of the best tournaments we'd have in sc2 wouldn't have happened. For the WCS it makes sense to have such a limitation but certainly not for all tournaments. And i absolutely agree that's why i said "the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea" :D "Only major issue"? How about the part where many players, including NA players like Root's Puck, SEA players, Chinese players, all got their career screwed up for the ENTIRE YEAR because they missed out a chance to gain points in the first season? What about disqualifying a legitimate contender in the final round of the brackets? What about having hackers in your tournament? What about resurrecting Hyun to play after he already got disqualified? Wtf are those, minor issues? Not enough time to prepare? ESL did their tournament before MLG, and they did a good job at it. They saw the size of demands, they saw potential problems. If you didn't have enough time how come ESL did? It's not a valid excuse to cover up for incompetent admins and broken websites systems. If anything, they should be fixing the mistakes ESL made and improve upon it, instead they just turned everything upside down. I made more than one post ... try reading them. Career's ruined for an entire year? Please, most of them are only missing out on $500 .. and there are other tournaments throughout the year. It's a shitty buzz but not the end of the world and it's shit that'll be fixed over time. Are you losing out on money? Probably not, they can try to re-qualify in 3 months and go from there, so again from a community standpoint fucking relax. There are only 3 seasons for the entire year, if you miss 1/3 of the potential points, good luck trying to catch up to people who made it into the Premier league during the first season. People who made it to Premier have more chances to stay in Premier than people who had to go through Challenger first. MLG condemned them to a massive deficit during the whole year because they made stupid decisions and poor planning after already having a good example to copy from. This is not "just a shitty buzz," you're just oblivious to it. Why don't you can go tell people who lost to hackers and those who got disqualified and those who weren't allowed to participate to "fucking relax." Hey genius u can accumulate points from WCS sponsored events at tournaments like NASL and Dreamhack ... so yeah ... fucking relax. Again I'm not saying it doesn't suck but by no stretch of the imagination is it nearly as bad as people are letting on. One of the things MLG is good at is improving on their fuck ups, this community is mostly made up of people that like to bitch for the sake of bitching. There's no appreciation for the events we have now and expectations set BY THE COMMUNITY so fucking high that if they're not met on the first go, out comes the pitch forks. GSL and ESL have been running tournaments with a similar or same format longer than MLG who do their own thing once every couple months ... they're going to be a little behind the ball than the other two. So a little bit of understanding and patience from the community instead of the regular douchebaggery would probably help the situation a lot more than the constant 12 year old nagging that usually goes on around here.
Hey idoit, players who are in Premier also get those points in other tournaments, so you still have to catch up. and WCS does not sponsor for any of them. It's as bad as people complain, and you are just trying to pretend it's not. If you HAVE to go play other tournaments for mistake that is not your fault, you can just "fucking relax?"
MLG has shown mistakes, after mistakes, after mistakes in this quailifier. They even have examples to learn from. ESL did it the weekend before and they didn't fuck up. It's not okay to just wave your hand and say "nevermind." This is why people complain so much. Issuing a 5min speech is not fixing any problems. If they're not capable of organizing a proper online tournament then they don't deserve to be doing it. Expectations are set so high because no other organization is having the problems MLG have. If everybody else in the world can do it, so can you. If you can't then let someone else who can do it. Saying "let's pretend nothing happended during this qualifier" like you are doing is more insulting than all the complaining, and does not solve any problems.
On April 25 2013 02:31 ProBot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 02:27 Dracid wrote:On April 25 2013 01:56 ProBot wrote:On April 25 2013 00:56 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 25 2013 00:02 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 22:58 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 24 2013 21:33 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 21:26 nihlon wrote:On April 24 2013 20:08 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 04:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
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it is up to Blizzard to manage expectations..
quotes like this do not help...
Itzik Ben-Bassat: "By numbers, StarCraft is bigger than the NHL" Actually quotes like that are exactly what the community needs to hear because it's brutally honest, people are bitching about a FREE TOURNAMENT, seriously? MLG did they best they could with the time they had, the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea, and the WCS it does feel rushed by Blizzard but at least they're trying. 90% of you sound like spoiled brats on Christmas that asked for a ps3 but got a 360, grow up. Eh, if that happened some of the best tournaments we'd have in sc2 wouldn't have happened. For the WCS it makes sense to have such a limitation but certainly not for all tournaments. And i absolutely agree that's why i said "the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea" :D "Only major issue"? How about the part where many players, including NA players like Root's Puck, SEA players, Chinese players, all got their career screwed up for the ENTIRE YEAR because they missed out a chance to gain points in the first season? What about disqualifying a legitimate contender in the final round of the brackets? What about having hackers in your tournament? What about resurrecting Hyun to play after he already got disqualified? Wtf are those, minor issues? Not enough time to prepare? ESL did their tournament before MLG, and they did a good job at it. They saw the size of demands, they saw potential problems. If you didn't have enough time how come ESL did? It's not a valid excuse to cover up for incompetent admins and broken websites systems. If anything, they should be fixing the mistakes ESL made and improve upon it, instead they just turned everything upside down. I made more than one post ... try reading them. Career's ruined for an entire year? Please, most of them are only missing out on $500 .. and there are other tournaments throughout the year. It's a shitty buzz but not the end of the world and it's shit that'll be fixed over time. Are you losing out on money? Probably not, they can try to re-qualify in 3 months and go from there, so again from a community standpoint fucking relax. There are only 3 seasons for the entire year, if you miss 1/3 of the potential points, good luck trying to catch up to people who made it into the Premier league during the first season. People who made it to Premier have more chances to stay in Premier than people who had to go through Challenger first. MLG condemned them to a massive deficit during the whole year because they made stupid decisions and poor planning after already having a good example to copy from. This is not "just a shitty buzz," you're just oblivious to it. Why don't you can go tell people who lost to hackers and those who got disqualified and those who weren't allowed to participate to "fucking relax." Hey genius u can accumulate points from WCS sponsored events at tournaments like NASL and Dreamhack ... so yeah ... fucking relax. Again I'm not saying it doesn't suck but by no stretch of the imagination is it nearly as bad as people are letting on. One of the things MLG is good at is improving on their fuck ups, this community is mostly made up of people that like to bitch for the sake of bitching. There's no appreciation for the events we have now and expectations set BY THE COMMUNITY so fucking high that if they're not met on the first go, out comes the pitch forks. GSL and ESL have been running tournaments with a similar or same format longer than MLG who do their own thing once every couple months ... they're going to be a little behind the ball than the other two. So a little bit of understanding and patience from the community instead of the regular douchebaggery would probably help the situation a lot more than the constant 12 year old nagging that usually goes on around here. http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/8075454/It's not financially viable for Chinese players to fly to dreamhack, and even tier-1 non WCS tournaments will get you less than half of the points that a premier league tournament would give. It's still possible to come back from such a deficit, it's just much, much harder. The competition is difficult enough as it is, missing out on one of the three seasons will probably kill your chances at making it to the grand finals unless you're a top tier Korean. They have those SEA tournaments that are sponsored by Blizzard ... Challenger series or something like that, that's more viable. Altho not ideal there are still options, either way that's a blizzard issue not an MLG issue so not sure what relevance it has to this tread :/
Name 1 tournament in SEA that blizzard sponsors? There aren't any.
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On April 25 2013 02:46 HereBeDragons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 01:56 ProBot wrote:On April 25 2013 00:56 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 25 2013 00:02 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 22:58 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 24 2013 21:33 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 21:26 nihlon wrote:On April 24 2013 20:08 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 04:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 24 2013 03:55 DueSs wrote:
Starcraft 2 community: where the expectations are higher than Snoop Dog at Bonaroo. it is up to Blizzard to manage expectations.. quotes like this do not help... Itzik Ben-Bassat: "By numbers, StarCraft is bigger than the NHL" Actually quotes like that are exactly what the community needs to hear because it's brutally honest, people are bitching about a FREE TOURNAMENT, seriously? MLG did they best they could with the time they had, the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea, and the WCS it does feel rushed by Blizzard but at least they're trying. 90% of you sound like spoiled brats on Christmas that asked for a ps3 but got a 360, grow up. Eh, if that happened some of the best tournaments we'd have in sc2 wouldn't have happened. For the WCS it makes sense to have such a limitation but certainly not for all tournaments. And i absolutely agree that's why i said "the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea" :D "Only major issue"? How about the part where many players, including NA players like Root's Puck, SEA players, Chinese players, all got their career screwed up for the ENTIRE YEAR because they missed out a chance to gain points in the first season? What about disqualifying a legitimate contender in the final round of the brackets? What about having hackers in your tournament? What about resurrecting Hyun to play after he already got disqualified? Wtf are those, minor issues? Not enough time to prepare? ESL did their tournament before MLG, and they did a good job at it. They saw the size of demands, they saw potential problems. If you didn't have enough time how come ESL did? It's not a valid excuse to cover up for incompetent admins and broken websites systems. If anything, they should be fixing the mistakes ESL made and improve upon it, instead they just turned everything upside down. I made more than one post ... try reading them. Career's ruined for an entire year? Please, most of them are only missing out on $500 .. and there are other tournaments throughout the year. It's a shitty buzz but not the end of the world and it's shit that'll be fixed over time. Are you losing out on money? Probably not, they can try to re-qualify in 3 months and go from there, so again from a community standpoint fucking relax. There are only 3 seasons for the entire year, if you miss 1/3 of the potential points, good luck trying to catch up to people who made it into the Premier league during the first season. People who made it to Premier have more chances to stay in Premier than people who had to go through Challenger first. MLG condemned them to a massive deficit during the whole year because they made stupid decisions and poor planning after already having a good example to copy from. This is not "just a shitty buzz," you're just oblivious to it. Why don't you can go tell people who lost to hackers and those who got disqualified and those who weren't allowed to participate to "fucking relax." Hey genius u can accumulate points from WCS sponsored events at tournaments like NASL and Dreamhack ... so yeah ... fucking relax. Again I'm not saying it doesn't suck but by no stretch of the imagination is it nearly as bad as people are letting on. One of the things MLG is good at is improving on their fuck ups, this community is mostly made up of people that like to bitch for the sake of bitching. There's no appreciation for the events we have now and expectations set BY THE COMMUNITY so fucking high that if they're not met on the first go, out comes the pitch forks. GSL and ESL have been running tournaments with a similar or same format longer than MLG who do their own thing once every couple months ... they're going to be a little behind the ball than the other two. So a little bit of understanding and patience from the community instead of the regular douchebaggery would probably help the situation a lot more than the constant 12 year old nagging that usually goes on around here. Hey idoit, players who are in Premier also get those points in other tournaments, so you still have to catch up. and WCS does not sponsor for any of them. It's as bad as people complain, and you are just trying to pretend it's not. If you HAVE to go play other tournaments for mistake that is not your fault, you can just "fucking relax?" MLG has shown mistakes, after mistakes, after mistakes in this quailifier. They even have examples to learn from. ESL did it the weekend before and they didn't fuck up. It's not okay to just wave your hand and say "nevermind." This is why people complain so much. Issuing a 5min speech is not fixing any problems. If they're not capable of organizing a proper online tournament then they don't deserve to be doing it. Expectations are set so high because no other organization is having the problems MLG have. If everybody else in the world can do it, so can you. If you can't then let someone else who can do it. Saying "let's pretend nothing happended during this qualifier" like you are doing is more insulting than all the complaining, and does not solve any problems. Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 02:31 ProBot wrote:On April 25 2013 02:27 Dracid wrote:On April 25 2013 01:56 ProBot wrote:On April 25 2013 00:56 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 25 2013 00:02 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 22:58 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 24 2013 21:33 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 21:26 nihlon wrote:On April 24 2013 20:08 ProBot wrote:
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Actually quotes like that are exactly what the community needs to hear because it's brutally honest, people are bitching about a FREE TOURNAMENT, seriously? MLG did they best they could with the time they had, the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea, and the WCS it does feel rushed by Blizzard but at least they're trying. 90% of you sound like spoiled brats on Christmas that asked for a ps3 but got a 360, grow up. Eh, if that happened some of the best tournaments we'd have in sc2 wouldn't have happened. For the WCS it makes sense to have such a limitation but certainly not for all tournaments. And i absolutely agree that's why i said "the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea" :D "Only major issue"? How about the part where many players, including NA players like Root's Puck, SEA players, Chinese players, all got their career screwed up for the ENTIRE YEAR because they missed out a chance to gain points in the first season? What about disqualifying a legitimate contender in the final round of the brackets? What about having hackers in your tournament? What about resurrecting Hyun to play after he already got disqualified? Wtf are those, minor issues? Not enough time to prepare? ESL did their tournament before MLG, and they did a good job at it. They saw the size of demands, they saw potential problems. If you didn't have enough time how come ESL did? It's not a valid excuse to cover up for incompetent admins and broken websites systems. If anything, they should be fixing the mistakes ESL made and improve upon it, instead they just turned everything upside down. I made more than one post ... try reading them. Career's ruined for an entire year? Please, most of them are only missing out on $500 .. and there are other tournaments throughout the year. It's a shitty buzz but not the end of the world and it's shit that'll be fixed over time. Are you losing out on money? Probably not, they can try to re-qualify in 3 months and go from there, so again from a community standpoint fucking relax. There are only 3 seasons for the entire year, if you miss 1/3 of the potential points, good luck trying to catch up to people who made it into the Premier league during the first season. People who made it to Premier have more chances to stay in Premier than people who had to go through Challenger first. MLG condemned them to a massive deficit during the whole year because they made stupid decisions and poor planning after already having a good example to copy from. This is not "just a shitty buzz," you're just oblivious to it. Why don't you can go tell people who lost to hackers and those who got disqualified and those who weren't allowed to participate to "fucking relax." Hey genius u can accumulate points from WCS sponsored events at tournaments like NASL and Dreamhack ... so yeah ... fucking relax. Again I'm not saying it doesn't suck but by no stretch of the imagination is it nearly as bad as people are letting on. One of the things MLG is good at is improving on their fuck ups, this community is mostly made up of people that like to bitch for the sake of bitching. There's no appreciation for the events we have now and expectations set BY THE COMMUNITY so fucking high that if they're not met on the first go, out comes the pitch forks. GSL and ESL have been running tournaments with a similar or same format longer than MLG who do their own thing once every couple months ... they're going to be a little behind the ball than the other two. So a little bit of understanding and patience from the community instead of the regular douchebaggery would probably help the situation a lot more than the constant 12 year old nagging that usually goes on around here. http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/8075454/It's not financially viable for Chinese players to fly to dreamhack, and even tier-1 non WCS tournaments will get you less than half of the points that a premier league tournament would give. It's still possible to come back from such a deficit, it's just much, much harder. The competition is difficult enough as it is, missing out on one of the three seasons will probably kill your chances at making it to the grand finals unless you're a top tier Korean. They have those SEA tournaments that are sponsored by Blizzard ... Challenger series or something like that, that's more viable. Altho not ideal there are still options, either way that's a blizzard issue not an MLG issue so not sure what relevance it has to this tread :/ Name 1 tournament in SEA that blizzard sponsors? There aren't any.
It's called vengance cup ... so yeah there is, know what your talking about before you try and flame people. http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/594540/SC2_Vengeance_Cup_Coming_to_SEA-4_15_2013 there's the link for you because from the looks of it research isn't your thing.
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China isn't on that list, and at best that looks to be a tier 2 tournament. Getting 1st place in that is worth fewer points than placing 16th at a season's final.
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On April 25 2013 02:49 ProBot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 02:46 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 25 2013 01:56 ProBot wrote:On April 25 2013 00:56 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 25 2013 00:02 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 22:58 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 24 2013 21:33 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 21:26 nihlon wrote:On April 24 2013 20:08 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 04:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
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it is up to Blizzard to manage expectations..
quotes like this do not help...
Itzik Ben-Bassat: "By numbers, StarCraft is bigger than the NHL" Actually quotes like that are exactly what the community needs to hear because it's brutally honest, people are bitching about a FREE TOURNAMENT, seriously? MLG did they best they could with the time they had, the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea, and the WCS it does feel rushed by Blizzard but at least they're trying. 90% of you sound like spoiled brats on Christmas that asked for a ps3 but got a 360, grow up. Eh, if that happened some of the best tournaments we'd have in sc2 wouldn't have happened. For the WCS it makes sense to have such a limitation but certainly not for all tournaments. And i absolutely agree that's why i said "the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea" :D "Only major issue"? How about the part where many players, including NA players like Root's Puck, SEA players, Chinese players, all got their career screwed up for the ENTIRE YEAR because they missed out a chance to gain points in the first season? What about disqualifying a legitimate contender in the final round of the brackets? What about having hackers in your tournament? What about resurrecting Hyun to play after he already got disqualified? Wtf are those, minor issues? Not enough time to prepare? ESL did their tournament before MLG, and they did a good job at it. They saw the size of demands, they saw potential problems. If you didn't have enough time how come ESL did? It's not a valid excuse to cover up for incompetent admins and broken websites systems. If anything, they should be fixing the mistakes ESL made and improve upon it, instead they just turned everything upside down. I made more than one post ... try reading them. Career's ruined for an entire year? Please, most of them are only missing out on $500 .. and there are other tournaments throughout the year. It's a shitty buzz but not the end of the world and it's shit that'll be fixed over time. Are you losing out on money? Probably not, they can try to re-qualify in 3 months and go from there, so again from a community standpoint fucking relax. There are only 3 seasons for the entire year, if you miss 1/3 of the potential points, good luck trying to catch up to people who made it into the Premier league during the first season. People who made it to Premier have more chances to stay in Premier than people who had to go through Challenger first. MLG condemned them to a massive deficit during the whole year because they made stupid decisions and poor planning after already having a good example to copy from. This is not "just a shitty buzz," you're just oblivious to it. Why don't you can go tell people who lost to hackers and those who got disqualified and those who weren't allowed to participate to "fucking relax." Hey genius u can accumulate points from WCS sponsored events at tournaments like NASL and Dreamhack ... so yeah ... fucking relax. Again I'm not saying it doesn't suck but by no stretch of the imagination is it nearly as bad as people are letting on. One of the things MLG is good at is improving on their fuck ups, this community is mostly made up of people that like to bitch for the sake of bitching. There's no appreciation for the events we have now and expectations set BY THE COMMUNITY so fucking high that if they're not met on the first go, out comes the pitch forks. GSL and ESL have been running tournaments with a similar or same format longer than MLG who do their own thing once every couple months ... they're going to be a little behind the ball than the other two. So a little bit of understanding and patience from the community instead of the regular douchebaggery would probably help the situation a lot more than the constant 12 year old nagging that usually goes on around here. Hey idoit, players who are in Premier also get those points in other tournaments, so you still have to catch up. and WCS does not sponsor for any of them. It's as bad as people complain, and you are just trying to pretend it's not. If you HAVE to go play other tournaments for mistake that is not your fault, you can just "fucking relax?" MLG has shown mistakes, after mistakes, after mistakes in this quailifier. They even have examples to learn from. ESL did it the weekend before and they didn't fuck up. It's not okay to just wave your hand and say "nevermind." This is why people complain so much. Issuing a 5min speech is not fixing any problems. If they're not capable of organizing a proper online tournament then they don't deserve to be doing it. Expectations are set so high because no other organization is having the problems MLG have. If everybody else in the world can do it, so can you. If you can't then let someone else who can do it. Saying "let's pretend nothing happended during this qualifier" like you are doing is more insulting than all the complaining, and does not solve any problems. On April 25 2013 02:31 ProBot wrote:On April 25 2013 02:27 Dracid wrote:On April 25 2013 01:56 ProBot wrote:On April 25 2013 00:56 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 25 2013 00:02 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 22:58 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 24 2013 21:33 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 21:26 nihlon wrote:
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Eh, if that happened some of the best tournaments we'd have in sc2 wouldn't have happened. For the WCS it makes sense to have such a limitation but certainly not for all tournaments. And i absolutely agree that's why i said "the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea" :D "Only major issue"? How about the part where many players, including NA players like Root's Puck, SEA players, Chinese players, all got their career screwed up for the ENTIRE YEAR because they missed out a chance to gain points in the first season? What about disqualifying a legitimate contender in the final round of the brackets? What about having hackers in your tournament? What about resurrecting Hyun to play after he already got disqualified? Wtf are those, minor issues? Not enough time to prepare? ESL did their tournament before MLG, and they did a good job at it. They saw the size of demands, they saw potential problems. If you didn't have enough time how come ESL did? It's not a valid excuse to cover up for incompetent admins and broken websites systems. If anything, they should be fixing the mistakes ESL made and improve upon it, instead they just turned everything upside down. I made more than one post ... try reading them. Career's ruined for an entire year? Please, most of them are only missing out on $500 .. and there are other tournaments throughout the year. It's a shitty buzz but not the end of the world and it's shit that'll be fixed over time. Are you losing out on money? Probably not, they can try to re-qualify in 3 months and go from there, so again from a community standpoint fucking relax. There are only 3 seasons for the entire year, if you miss 1/3 of the potential points, good luck trying to catch up to people who made it into the Premier league during the first season. People who made it to Premier have more chances to stay in Premier than people who had to go through Challenger first. MLG condemned them to a massive deficit during the whole year because they made stupid decisions and poor planning after already having a good example to copy from. This is not "just a shitty buzz," you're just oblivious to it. Why don't you can go tell people who lost to hackers and those who got disqualified and those who weren't allowed to participate to "fucking relax." Hey genius u can accumulate points from WCS sponsored events at tournaments like NASL and Dreamhack ... so yeah ... fucking relax. Again I'm not saying it doesn't suck but by no stretch of the imagination is it nearly as bad as people are letting on. One of the things MLG is good at is improving on their fuck ups, this community is mostly made up of people that like to bitch for the sake of bitching. There's no appreciation for the events we have now and expectations set BY THE COMMUNITY so fucking high that if they're not met on the first go, out comes the pitch forks. GSL and ESL have been running tournaments with a similar or same format longer than MLG who do their own thing once every couple months ... they're going to be a little behind the ball than the other two. So a little bit of understanding and patience from the community instead of the regular douchebaggery would probably help the situation a lot more than the constant 12 year old nagging that usually goes on around here. http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/8075454/It's not financially viable for Chinese players to fly to dreamhack, and even tier-1 non WCS tournaments will get you less than half of the points that a premier league tournament would give. It's still possible to come back from such a deficit, it's just much, much harder. The competition is difficult enough as it is, missing out on one of the three seasons will probably kill your chances at making it to the grand finals unless you're a top tier Korean. They have those SEA tournaments that are sponsored by Blizzard ... Challenger series or something like that, that's more viable. Altho not ideal there are still options, either way that's a blizzard issue not an MLG issue so not sure what relevance it has to this tread :/ Name 1 tournament in SEA that blizzard sponsors? There aren't any. It's called vengance cup ... so yeah there is, know what your talking about before you try and flame people. http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/594540/SC2_Vengeance_Cup_Coming_to_SEA-4_15_2013 there's the link for you because from the looks of it research isn't your thing.
And North American pros who got cut off? You gonna ask Root to fly Leiya to SEA as well? And Chinese players? Just fly 4000km to from China to Singapore to compete in a smaller one-off tourment that offers less points? There is no way you can catch up if you are automatically disqualified from the main WCS event already. How does that even compensate?
Plus from that link, you have to be from either Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand or Philippines to even participate!
And who's the one flaming calling people douchebags and telling people to "fucking relax"?
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On April 25 2013 02:49 ProBot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 02:46 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 25 2013 01:56 ProBot wrote:On April 25 2013 00:56 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 25 2013 00:02 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 22:58 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 24 2013 21:33 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 21:26 nihlon wrote:On April 24 2013 20:08 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 04:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
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it is up to Blizzard to manage expectations..
quotes like this do not help...
Itzik Ben-Bassat: "By numbers, StarCraft is bigger than the NHL" Actually quotes like that are exactly what the community needs to hear because it's brutally honest, people are bitching about a FREE TOURNAMENT, seriously? MLG did they best they could with the time they had, the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea, and the WCS it does feel rushed by Blizzard but at least they're trying. 90% of you sound like spoiled brats on Christmas that asked for a ps3 but got a 360, grow up. Eh, if that happened some of the best tournaments we'd have in sc2 wouldn't have happened. For the WCS it makes sense to have such a limitation but certainly not for all tournaments. And i absolutely agree that's why i said "the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea" :D "Only major issue"? How about the part where many players, including NA players like Root's Puck, SEA players, Chinese players, all got their career screwed up for the ENTIRE YEAR because they missed out a chance to gain points in the first season? What about disqualifying a legitimate contender in the final round of the brackets? What about having hackers in your tournament? What about resurrecting Hyun to play after he already got disqualified? Wtf are those, minor issues? Not enough time to prepare? ESL did their tournament before MLG, and they did a good job at it. They saw the size of demands, they saw potential problems. If you didn't have enough time how come ESL did? It's not a valid excuse to cover up for incompetent admins and broken websites systems. If anything, they should be fixing the mistakes ESL made and improve upon it, instead they just turned everything upside down. I made more than one post ... try reading them. Career's ruined for an entire year? Please, most of them are only missing out on $500 .. and there are other tournaments throughout the year. It's a shitty buzz but not the end of the world and it's shit that'll be fixed over time. Are you losing out on money? Probably not, they can try to re-qualify in 3 months and go from there, so again from a community standpoint fucking relax. There are only 3 seasons for the entire year, if you miss 1/3 of the potential points, good luck trying to catch up to people who made it into the Premier league during the first season. People who made it to Premier have more chances to stay in Premier than people who had to go through Challenger first. MLG condemned them to a massive deficit during the whole year because they made stupid decisions and poor planning after already having a good example to copy from. This is not "just a shitty buzz," you're just oblivious to it. Why don't you can go tell people who lost to hackers and those who got disqualified and those who weren't allowed to participate to "fucking relax." Hey genius u can accumulate points from WCS sponsored events at tournaments like NASL and Dreamhack ... so yeah ... fucking relax. Again I'm not saying it doesn't suck but by no stretch of the imagination is it nearly as bad as people are letting on. One of the things MLG is good at is improving on their fuck ups, this community is mostly made up of people that like to bitch for the sake of bitching. There's no appreciation for the events we have now and expectations set BY THE COMMUNITY so fucking high that if they're not met on the first go, out comes the pitch forks. GSL and ESL have been running tournaments with a similar or same format longer than MLG who do their own thing once every couple months ... they're going to be a little behind the ball than the other two. So a little bit of understanding and patience from the community instead of the regular douchebaggery would probably help the situation a lot more than the constant 12 year old nagging that usually goes on around here. Hey idoit, players who are in Premier also get those points in other tournaments, so you still have to catch up. and WCS does not sponsor for any of them. It's as bad as people complain, and you are just trying to pretend it's not. If you HAVE to go play other tournaments for mistake that is not your fault, you can just "fucking relax?" MLG has shown mistakes, after mistakes, after mistakes in this quailifier. They even have examples to learn from. ESL did it the weekend before and they didn't fuck up. It's not okay to just wave your hand and say "nevermind." This is why people complain so much. Issuing a 5min speech is not fixing any problems. If they're not capable of organizing a proper online tournament then they don't deserve to be doing it. Expectations are set so high because no other organization is having the problems MLG have. If everybody else in the world can do it, so can you. If you can't then let someone else who can do it. Saying "let's pretend nothing happended during this qualifier" like you are doing is more insulting than all the complaining, and does not solve any problems. On April 25 2013 02:31 ProBot wrote:On April 25 2013 02:27 Dracid wrote:On April 25 2013 01:56 ProBot wrote:On April 25 2013 00:56 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 25 2013 00:02 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 22:58 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 24 2013 21:33 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 21:26 nihlon wrote:
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Eh, if that happened some of the best tournaments we'd have in sc2 wouldn't have happened. For the WCS it makes sense to have such a limitation but certainly not for all tournaments. And i absolutely agree that's why i said "the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea" :D "Only major issue"? How about the part where many players, including NA players like Root's Puck, SEA players, Chinese players, all got their career screwed up for the ENTIRE YEAR because they missed out a chance to gain points in the first season? What about disqualifying a legitimate contender in the final round of the brackets? What about having hackers in your tournament? What about resurrecting Hyun to play after he already got disqualified? Wtf are those, minor issues? Not enough time to prepare? ESL did their tournament before MLG, and they did a good job at it. They saw the size of demands, they saw potential problems. If you didn't have enough time how come ESL did? It's not a valid excuse to cover up for incompetent admins and broken websites systems. If anything, they should be fixing the mistakes ESL made and improve upon it, instead they just turned everything upside down. I made more than one post ... try reading them. Career's ruined for an entire year? Please, most of them are only missing out on $500 .. and there are other tournaments throughout the year. It's a shitty buzz but not the end of the world and it's shit that'll be fixed over time. Are you losing out on money? Probably not, they can try to re-qualify in 3 months and go from there, so again from a community standpoint fucking relax. There are only 3 seasons for the entire year, if you miss 1/3 of the potential points, good luck trying to catch up to people who made it into the Premier league during the first season. People who made it to Premier have more chances to stay in Premier than people who had to go through Challenger first. MLG condemned them to a massive deficit during the whole year because they made stupid decisions and poor planning after already having a good example to copy from. This is not "just a shitty buzz," you're just oblivious to it. Why don't you can go tell people who lost to hackers and those who got disqualified and those who weren't allowed to participate to "fucking relax." Hey genius u can accumulate points from WCS sponsored events at tournaments like NASL and Dreamhack ... so yeah ... fucking relax. Again I'm not saying it doesn't suck but by no stretch of the imagination is it nearly as bad as people are letting on. One of the things MLG is good at is improving on their fuck ups, this community is mostly made up of people that like to bitch for the sake of bitching. There's no appreciation for the events we have now and expectations set BY THE COMMUNITY so fucking high that if they're not met on the first go, out comes the pitch forks. GSL and ESL have been running tournaments with a similar or same format longer than MLG who do their own thing once every couple months ... they're going to be a little behind the ball than the other two. So a little bit of understanding and patience from the community instead of the regular douchebaggery would probably help the situation a lot more than the constant 12 year old nagging that usually goes on around here. http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/8075454/It's not financially viable for Chinese players to fly to dreamhack, and even tier-1 non WCS tournaments will get you less than half of the points that a premier league tournament would give. It's still possible to come back from such a deficit, it's just much, much harder. The competition is difficult enough as it is, missing out on one of the three seasons will probably kill your chances at making it to the grand finals unless you're a top tier Korean. They have those SEA tournaments that are sponsored by Blizzard ... Challenger series or something like that, that's more viable. Altho not ideal there are still options, either way that's a blizzard issue not an MLG issue so not sure what relevance it has to this tread :/ Name 1 tournament in SEA that blizzard sponsors? There aren't any. It's called vengance cup ... so yeah there is, know what your talking about before you try and flame people. http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/594540/SC2_Vengeance_Cup_Coming_to_SEA-4_15_2013 there's the link for you because from the looks of it research isn't your thing.
Do you read your sources or just cite them? Good thing players who were excluded can compete in the Vengeance Cup when they aren't any of the nationalities included there. Hint, when your tournament page links to a Facebook page and a forum post that has StarJeweled next to SC2, it's probably not worth anything and just Blizzard tossing you a bone.
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On April 25 2013 02:49 ProBot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 02:46 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 25 2013 01:56 ProBot wrote:On April 25 2013 00:56 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 25 2013 00:02 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 22:58 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 24 2013 21:33 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 21:26 nihlon wrote:On April 24 2013 20:08 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 04:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
[quote]
it is up to Blizzard to manage expectations..
quotes like this do not help...
Itzik Ben-Bassat: "By numbers, StarCraft is bigger than the NHL" Actually quotes like that are exactly what the community needs to hear because it's brutally honest, people are bitching about a FREE TOURNAMENT, seriously? MLG did they best they could with the time they had, the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea, and the WCS it does feel rushed by Blizzard but at least they're trying. 90% of you sound like spoiled brats on Christmas that asked for a ps3 but got a 360, grow up. Eh, if that happened some of the best tournaments we'd have in sc2 wouldn't have happened. For the WCS it makes sense to have such a limitation but certainly not for all tournaments. And i absolutely agree that's why i said "the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea" :D "Only major issue"? How about the part where many players, including NA players like Root's Puck, SEA players, Chinese players, all got their career screwed up for the ENTIRE YEAR because they missed out a chance to gain points in the first season? What about disqualifying a legitimate contender in the final round of the brackets? What about having hackers in your tournament? What about resurrecting Hyun to play after he already got disqualified? Wtf are those, minor issues? Not enough time to prepare? ESL did their tournament before MLG, and they did a good job at it. They saw the size of demands, they saw potential problems. If you didn't have enough time how come ESL did? It's not a valid excuse to cover up for incompetent admins and broken websites systems. If anything, they should be fixing the mistakes ESL made and improve upon it, instead they just turned everything upside down. I made more than one post ... try reading them. Career's ruined for an entire year? Please, most of them are only missing out on $500 .. and there are other tournaments throughout the year. It's a shitty buzz but not the end of the world and it's shit that'll be fixed over time. Are you losing out on money? Probably not, they can try to re-qualify in 3 months and go from there, so again from a community standpoint fucking relax. There are only 3 seasons for the entire year, if you miss 1/3 of the potential points, good luck trying to catch up to people who made it into the Premier league during the first season. People who made it to Premier have more chances to stay in Premier than people who had to go through Challenger first. MLG condemned them to a massive deficit during the whole year because they made stupid decisions and poor planning after already having a good example to copy from. This is not "just a shitty buzz," you're just oblivious to it. Why don't you can go tell people who lost to hackers and those who got disqualified and those who weren't allowed to participate to "fucking relax." Hey genius u can accumulate points from WCS sponsored events at tournaments like NASL and Dreamhack ... so yeah ... fucking relax. Again I'm not saying it doesn't suck but by no stretch of the imagination is it nearly as bad as people are letting on. One of the things MLG is good at is improving on their fuck ups, this community is mostly made up of people that like to bitch for the sake of bitching. There's no appreciation for the events we have now and expectations set BY THE COMMUNITY so fucking high that if they're not met on the first go, out comes the pitch forks. GSL and ESL have been running tournaments with a similar or same format longer than MLG who do their own thing once every couple months ... they're going to be a little behind the ball than the other two. So a little bit of understanding and patience from the community instead of the regular douchebaggery would probably help the situation a lot more than the constant 12 year old nagging that usually goes on around here. Hey idoit, players who are in Premier also get those points in other tournaments, so you still have to catch up. and WCS does not sponsor for any of them. It's as bad as people complain, and you are just trying to pretend it's not. If you HAVE to go play other tournaments for mistake that is not your fault, you can just "fucking relax?" MLG has shown mistakes, after mistakes, after mistakes in this quailifier. They even have examples to learn from. ESL did it the weekend before and they didn't fuck up. It's not okay to just wave your hand and say "nevermind." This is why people complain so much. Issuing a 5min speech is not fixing any problems. If they're not capable of organizing a proper online tournament then they don't deserve to be doing it. Expectations are set so high because no other organization is having the problems MLG have. If everybody else in the world can do it, so can you. If you can't then let someone else who can do it. Saying "let's pretend nothing happended during this qualifier" like you are doing is more insulting than all the complaining, and does not solve any problems. On April 25 2013 02:31 ProBot wrote:On April 25 2013 02:27 Dracid wrote:On April 25 2013 01:56 ProBot wrote:On April 25 2013 00:56 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 25 2013 00:02 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 22:58 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 24 2013 21:33 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 21:26 nihlon wrote:
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Eh, if that happened some of the best tournaments we'd have in sc2 wouldn't have happened. For the WCS it makes sense to have such a limitation but certainly not for all tournaments. And i absolutely agree that's why i said "the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea" :D "Only major issue"? How about the part where many players, including NA players like Root's Puck, SEA players, Chinese players, all got their career screwed up for the ENTIRE YEAR because they missed out a chance to gain points in the first season? What about disqualifying a legitimate contender in the final round of the brackets? What about having hackers in your tournament? What about resurrecting Hyun to play after he already got disqualified? Wtf are those, minor issues? Not enough time to prepare? ESL did their tournament before MLG, and they did a good job at it. They saw the size of demands, they saw potential problems. If you didn't have enough time how come ESL did? It's not a valid excuse to cover up for incompetent admins and broken websites systems. If anything, they should be fixing the mistakes ESL made and improve upon it, instead they just turned everything upside down. I made more than one post ... try reading them. Career's ruined for an entire year? Please, most of them are only missing out on $500 .. and there are other tournaments throughout the year. It's a shitty buzz but not the end of the world and it's shit that'll be fixed over time. Are you losing out on money? Probably not, they can try to re-qualify in 3 months and go from there, so again from a community standpoint fucking relax. There are only 3 seasons for the entire year, if you miss 1/3 of the potential points, good luck trying to catch up to people who made it into the Premier league during the first season. People who made it to Premier have more chances to stay in Premier than people who had to go through Challenger first. MLG condemned them to a massive deficit during the whole year because they made stupid decisions and poor planning after already having a good example to copy from. This is not "just a shitty buzz," you're just oblivious to it. Why don't you can go tell people who lost to hackers and those who got disqualified and those who weren't allowed to participate to "fucking relax." Hey genius u can accumulate points from WCS sponsored events at tournaments like NASL and Dreamhack ... so yeah ... fucking relax. Again I'm not saying it doesn't suck but by no stretch of the imagination is it nearly as bad as people are letting on. One of the things MLG is good at is improving on their fuck ups, this community is mostly made up of people that like to bitch for the sake of bitching. There's no appreciation for the events we have now and expectations set BY THE COMMUNITY so fucking high that if they're not met on the first go, out comes the pitch forks. GSL and ESL have been running tournaments with a similar or same format longer than MLG who do their own thing once every couple months ... they're going to be a little behind the ball than the other two. So a little bit of understanding and patience from the community instead of the regular douchebaggery would probably help the situation a lot more than the constant 12 year old nagging that usually goes on around here. http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/8075454/It's not financially viable for Chinese players to fly to dreamhack, and even tier-1 non WCS tournaments will get you less than half of the points that a premier league tournament would give. It's still possible to come back from such a deficit, it's just much, much harder. The competition is difficult enough as it is, missing out on one of the three seasons will probably kill your chances at making it to the grand finals unless you're a top tier Korean. They have those SEA tournaments that are sponsored by Blizzard ... Challenger series or something like that, that's more viable. Altho not ideal there are still options, either way that's a blizzard issue not an MLG issue so not sure what relevance it has to this tread :/ Name 1 tournament in SEA that blizzard sponsors? There aren't any. It's called vengance cup ... so yeah there is, know what your talking about before you try and flame people. http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/594540/SC2_Vengeance_Cup_Coming_to_SEA-4_15_2013 there's the link for you because from the looks of it research isn't your thing.
Unless you think Chinese are from Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand or Philippines, research isn't your thing either.
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On April 25 2013 02:30 .kv wrote:
Still don't know why it was just 1 qualifier and not only that but also capped at 512 players. "They were surprised..." Were they not aware of how many played/registered in the eu qualifiers
Yeah, it's as if they didn't watch a single ESL qualifier...
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On April 25 2013 01:43 Disco.stu. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 01:31 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 25 2013 01:17 Disco.stu. wrote:On April 25 2013 00:56 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 25 2013 00:02 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 22:58 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 24 2013 21:33 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 21:26 nihlon wrote:On April 24 2013 20:08 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 04:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
[quote]
it is up to Blizzard to manage expectations..
quotes like this do not help...
Itzik Ben-Bassat: "By numbers, StarCraft is bigger than the NHL" Actually quotes like that are exactly what the community needs to hear because it's brutally honest, people are bitching about a FREE TOURNAMENT, seriously? MLG did they best they could with the time they had, the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea, and the WCS it does feel rushed by Blizzard but at least they're trying. 90% of you sound like spoiled brats on Christmas that asked for a ps3 but got a 360, grow up. Eh, if that happened some of the best tournaments we'd have in sc2 wouldn't have happened. For the WCS it makes sense to have such a limitation but certainly not for all tournaments. And i absolutely agree that's why i said "the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea" :D "Only major issue"? How about the part where many players, including NA players like Root's Puck, SEA players, Chinese players, all got their career screwed up for the ENTIRE YEAR because they missed out a chance to gain points in the first season? What about disqualifying a legitimate contender in the final round of the brackets? What about having hackers in your tournament? What about resurrecting Hyun to play after he already got disqualified? Wtf are those, minor issues? Not enough time to prepare? ESL did their tournament before MLG, and they did a good job at it. They saw the size of demands, they saw potential problems. If you didn't have enough time how come ESL did? It's not a valid excuse to cover up for incompetent admins and broken websites systems. If anything, they should be fixing the mistakes ESL made and improve upon it, instead they just turned everything upside down. I made more than one post ... try reading them. Career's ruined for an entire year? Please, most of them are only missing out on $500 .. and there are other tournaments throughout the year. It's a shitty buzz but not the end of the world and it's shit that'll be fixed over time. Are you losing out on money? Probably not, they can try to re-qualify in 3 months and go from there, so again from a community standpoint fucking relax. There are only 3 seasons for the entire year, if you miss 1/3 of the potential points, good luck trying to catch up to people who made it into the Premier league during the first season. People who made it to Premier have more chances to stay in Premier than people who had to go through Challenger first. MLG condemned them to a massive deficit during the whole year because they made stupid decisions and poor planning after already having a good example to copy from. This is not "just a shitty buzz," you're just oblivious to it. Why don't you can go tell people who lost to hackers and got disqualified and got left out of the tournament to "fucking relax." So their careers are "ruined for the year" because they were not given the chance to qualify to the current premier league? So, what you're saying is that, if Blizzard hadn't come up with the WCS, their careers for the year would've been ruined anyway? 'Cause the WCS, as it is this year, is something completely new, and their chances of participating in, and winning, other non-WCS tournaments are still the same as they were before this qualifier. So please explain, how can not allowing you to qualify to a single tournament that that did not even exist before this year, ruin your carreer for the year? How can it "condemn your to a massive deficit" if you can still play in all the other tournaments you were gonna play in anyway? The only way I can see any of that happening is if you were already doing really bad, and qualifying to premier league was your only chance of not having to retire, but in that case you were screwed anyway if there wasn't any WCS. So, at the very worst, they didn't save some careers, but you can't say they "condemned" anyone. Lol you can't even follow the posts properly, this had nothing to do with Blizzard! All the complained are directed towards MLG who oragnised the tournament poorly, and used incompetent admins who made poor decision. If MLG ran anything close to the quality ESL provided, this shitstorm wouldn't be here. ESL didn't screw players over, and nor did GSL. They are supposed to be the same tournament for each of the 3 regions, but one of them couldn't make it to the standards of the other two - this is what's wrong. Ok, I can agree with that. MLG did not do as good of a job as GOM and ESL did. MLG has to catch up to the quality of the other regions's tournaments, and untill they do so they're gonna get singled out. But to say that they ruined people's careers and stuff, that's just being dumb.
How is disqualifying a LB finalist not dumb? How is having championship contenders not allowed to participate in the qualifiers not dumb? How is having hackers in your tournament not dumb? These players lost their opportunity because someone else cannot do their job properly - that IS ruining people's career.
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On April 25 2013 01:56 ProBot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 00:56 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 25 2013 00:02 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 22:58 HereBeDragons wrote:On April 24 2013 21:33 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 21:26 nihlon wrote:On April 24 2013 20:08 ProBot wrote:On April 24 2013 04:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 24 2013 03:55 DueSs wrote:
Starcraft 2 community: where the expectations are higher than Snoop Dog at Bonaroo. it is up to Blizzard to manage expectations.. quotes like this do not help... Itzik Ben-Bassat: "By numbers, StarCraft is bigger than the NHL" Actually quotes like that are exactly what the community needs to hear because it's brutally honest, people are bitching about a FREE TOURNAMENT, seriously? MLG did they best they could with the time they had, the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea, and the WCS it does feel rushed by Blizzard but at least they're trying. 90% of you sound like spoiled brats on Christmas that asked for a ps3 but got a 360, grow up. Eh, if that happened some of the best tournaments we'd have in sc2 wouldn't have happened. For the WCS it makes sense to have such a limitation but certainly not for all tournaments. And i absolutely agree that's why i said "the only major issue with the WCS is that Koreans shouldn't be playing in tournaments outside of Korea FROM Korea" :D "Only major issue"? How about the part where many players, including NA players like Root's Puck, SEA players, Chinese players, all got their career screwed up for the ENTIRE YEAR because they missed out a chance to gain points in the first season? What about disqualifying a legitimate contender in the final round of the brackets? What about having hackers in your tournament? What about resurrecting Hyun to play after he already got disqualified? Wtf are those, minor issues? Not enough time to prepare? ESL did their tournament before MLG, and they did a good job at it. They saw the size of demands, they saw potential problems. If you didn't have enough time how come ESL did? It's not a valid excuse to cover up for incompetent admins and broken websites systems. If anything, they should be fixing the mistakes ESL made and improve upon it, instead they just turned everything upside down. I made more than one post ... try reading them. Career's ruined for an entire year? Please, most of them are only missing out on $500 .. and there are other tournaments throughout the year. It's a shitty buzz but not the end of the world and it's shit that'll be fixed over time. Are you losing out on money? Probably not, they can try to re-qualify in 3 months and go from there, so again from a community standpoint fucking relax. There are only 3 seasons for the entire year, if you miss 1/3 of the potential points, good luck trying to catch up to people who made it into the Premier league during the first season. People who made it to Premier have more chances to stay in Premier than people who had to go through Challenger first. MLG condemned them to a massive deficit during the whole year because they made stupid decisions and poor planning after already having a good example to copy from. This is not "just a shitty buzz," you're just oblivious to it. Why don't you can go tell people who lost to hackers and those who got disqualified and those who weren't allowed to participate to "fucking relax." Hey genius u can accumulate points from WCS sponsored events at tournaments like NASL and Dreamhack ... so yeah ... fucking relax. Again I'm not saying it doesn't suck but by no stretch of the imagination is it nearly as bad as people are letting on. One of the things MLG is good at is improving on their fuck ups, this community is mostly made up of people that like to bitch for the sake of bitching. There's no appreciation for the events we have now and expectations set BY THE COMMUNITY so fucking high that if they're not met on the first go, out comes the pitch forks. GSL and ESL have been running tournaments with a similar or same format longer than MLG who do their own thing once every couple months ... they're going to be a little behind the ball than the other two. So a little bit of understanding and patience from the community instead of the regular douchebaggery would probably help the situation a lot more than the constant 12 year old nagging that usually goes on around here.
I dont know how u can excuse MLG for not inform themselves about the workload they would face. There were many Organisations that couldve been asked to gather information about Online Tournaments (ESL, TL, or others who ran big online Tournaments). Also as others already stated ESL ran the EU-Qualifier the weekend before MLG. Also no communication from MLG to ask the ESL-Staff what troubles they should expect to run into.
It just seems, after the community was angry at the FEE-entry and MLG had to forget it about it, that they didnt really cared much about their own qualifier anymore and just tried to make profit with it and not researching the WCS Regions (Sea/China). Not putting up a system that prefers GM > Masters > ..., also seems to be done only to reduce the workload.
If u bring ur car to a workshop and they just pretend to have repaired something or let u pay for more things that not even were broken, u would not go to them again and say "hey maybe they improve next time, they said they are sorry".
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