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Yo, whats up? Been trying to catch up since I left work but the distance to the new posts doesn't seem to decrease at all...
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Koshi, how come you dropped your whole emo/trying to be scumread shtick? Is it the mayor election?
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On March 05 2024 05:27 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:26 justanothertownie wrote:
Yo, whats up? Been trying to catch up since I left work but the distance to the new posts doesn't seem to decrease at all... Nice contribution
Yes, thank you for noticing.
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On March 05 2024 05:30 DarthPunk wrote:
I have high expectations from JAT after he talked such a big game in the obs last time.
Is "talked big game" synonym to "had better reads than me" in australia?
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I think I like the direction that seems to have formed of Iamp, Rayn, marv and to a lesser degree sandro as a council of sorts. I had at least 3-4 moments in the early pages where Iamp posted exactly what I was thinking at the time. Rayn seems reasonable so far (but him masoning marv is probably something he does as either alignment) and I agree that marv masoning sandro is a move that is more likely to come from town.
Would still prefer if people used the thread to communicate even though it would make catching up even harder.
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On March 05 2024 06:06 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:59 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 05:57 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:sandroba what marv is telling you is true. lol this is funny  On March 05 2024 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:51 iamperfection wrote:
I do find it odd marv isn't posting in the thread I told a couple of hours ago to him that people are gonna scumread him for playing the game only in discord with 2 mason chats ^^ If mafia makes me mayor. I am willing to shoot marv. Just putting that out there. 0 fucks would be given. Great way to not end up as mayor. Koshi can I have a list post? Doesn’t need to be everyone just enough so that I can see where your head is at page 36 and too angry to continue. But town: iamp cuz town best time was in the first pages and he was a driving factor. dp: I wrote 'good interpretation of DP vs Oats' but that seems incorrect. That being said. I don't dislike your copcake stuff but I haven't read it because it doesn't spark anything in me. I am pretty sure I read copcake really good of one of her first posts in a previous game because she backtracked on a story after being called out. So I am waiting on her to fuck up. She is just playing a different game as me here, but not in a bad way. Vivax I like him MZ Ugly posts, but I can see him being town and him finding his way Null Oats Mafia DMB because bad start TheNewGuy because I don't like that entrance Tfrel because reasoning given. Too safe. marv because he can die
It feels like you are trying quite hard to get this mayor role (wont people easily scumread you as mafia in the future if you are town here? :D). What do you think of rayn? Maybe I missed it. Still reading.
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On March 05 2024 06:16 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch. Pretty scummy, I pledge to make my personal lynch a scum lynch. Much better platform.
Ironclad.
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On March 05 2024 05:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:29 justanothertownie wrote:
Koshi, how come you dropped your whole emo/trying to be scumread shtick? Is it the mayor election? No because it is a big game. I am going to lead town this game. Being mayor or not. I want to play at 100% of my capabilities. Being mayor would just be a bonus to give it 101%.
Missed this one earlier, apologies. Why is the size of the game important?
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On March 05 2024 06:03 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:53 Koshi wrote:
So I am on page 36 and I am going to call marv mafia.
and I am calling sandroba & rayn dummies for pushing the marv is town shit into this thread with literally nothing to back it up.
Fuck your shit.
town!marv is very capable to play this game and get mayor. He would be a good mayor and this game could be easy and fun.
The shit you 3 are doing is horrible and against town wincon. I also play against town wincon on purpose in previous games and marv was the one complaining and saying I shouldn't do it.
Well he is doing just that.
Now what mafia!marv would do this is an entire other story. And a very believable one.
I also dislike sandroba.
I probably like rayn but not enough to say he is for sure not mafia. But ok. I can work with him most likely. I do actually like this post from koshi
Me too. Not really agreeing with the conclusions he draws but the sentiment is alright.
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On March 05 2024 06:51 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:44 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 05:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 justanothertownie wrote:
Koshi, how come you dropped your whole emo/trying to be scumread shtick? Is it the mayor election? No because it is a big game. I am going to lead town this game. Being mayor or not. I want to play at 100% of my capabilities. Being mayor would just be a bonus to give it 101%. Missed this one earlier, apologies. Why is the size of the game important? Dude.. I played terrible in the past because 1) I don't like posting too much and getting my mind clouded. There is a line between posting enough, and too much. When I post too much my reads get worse but I also become less lynchable. So in the past I posted so much to get townread and get my lynches through, but sadly the quality of my reads and posts went way down. Posting less is actually better for me. 2) I don't like being utter shit as mafia because I can't do the same thing as I do as town. I just can't fake reads. I can't. It's annoying. So I need to play as utter shit as town because I can't become better as mafia but I can become worse as town. 3) Big games are harder than normal games. So I want to see how I do when giving it my all, and I want to have fun. So I am making a lot of trash posts because that is fun for me. So this will be very different than previous games. tldr: I just want to play this style this game. I don't know why. The reasons above might be it but also maybe not.
Fair enough. To explain - the way Kosh ishellbent on that mayor spot seemed out of place to me after his last game. Especially after not seeing Rayn (the most prominent candidate atm) in his listpost at the time.
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On March 05 2024 06:31 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 06:29 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 05 2024 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So VE posted a bunch of nothing... What are you expecting rayn? I think most everyone who's posted looks good, most everyone who hasn't looks bad, and you know who I'd kill as mayor, but not who I'd vote to lynch. I'm not going to try and push a lurker lynch because that's fucking stupid as fuck, so I'm going to wait and see what lynch targets emerge. Right now I'm one of them, and I know I'm town, so if it comes to it I'd probably lynch the other guy but otherwise, I'll vote who I think looks worse of the candidates D1. ERMAGERD AND YOU NEEDED ALL THAT SPELLED OUT RIGHT?! Rayn isn't usually this dense, must be mafia. SEE HAO FUCKING STUPID THAT SOUNDS RAYN!?!?!?? I don't know why you feel the need to be this angry towards me as i am just pointing out you posted no substance, which you did. But it makes me look bad and might convince people to vote me and then I actually WOULD have to put in effort on D1, which is why I'm angry.
First you say "vote for me" now you are angry that someone might convince people to vote you. smh
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On March 05 2024 06:45 sandroba wrote:
I mean I can see you not confident rayn is town, being maybe null on trfel and leaning scum on marv. But pushing to lynch into these 3 now is just ridiculous as town, you are sowing doubt and with no actual town goal. I'm pretty convinced koshi is scum
On March 05 2024 06:49 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:43 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 06:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not sure if town Koshi can think i am mafia with marv. I can. I thought for a second that marv blueclaimed to you. So that would/could cement him town. But then you would both go after Vivax harder because it just makes sense he is less likely town then. Maybe not, maybe yes. Still you both believed Vivax so unconditionally I disregard the blue claim. This marv I have been reading last 2-3 games is not capable to convince the thread he is town. Yet he was able to convince you he is town? What a joke. You are either mafia with him, or really fucking bad rayn. Really fucking bad. You are really bad for letting this happen, but really fucking bad for letting this happen and protect marv like this. So yeah. I can think that. Also. I really hope he is mafia and you are town. I really hope that. So much. Hmm this kinda makes some sense now as this is where my head went for a bit. Maybe koshi isn't auto scum for posting that lynch list, but still very eager and not very level headed, which I have come to expect from town koshi
It seems obvious that you never had the full Koshi experience.
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On March 05 2024 07:17 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:07 Alakaslam wrote:
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Does this not strengthen Koshi's point? No how so. Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax? This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor. If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor. Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. Who even tracks how much they are in lylo situations. 11/4 really? Is this supposed to convince anybody? In that case: In the last 5 games I have been nkilled 3 times on N1, 1 time on N2 and I was once mafia. Pretty sure my reads were okish during those 4 towngames and on top I was lock town always. So unless you guys are going to attempt to say I am potential mafia. I am a good pick. But I think I like vivax for town mayor. Let mafia waste their RB on him. We might get the RB and then have a fully protected blue role. Pretty awesome. I am not ever going to vote this shitshow mason trash marv/rayn dumbfuck thing. Not ever. I wonder what mafia thinks of a mayor that is jailkeeper tbh. Somewhat frightening for sure.
If they have a RB they would be quite happy about it I assume.
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On March 05 2024 07:20 Koshi wrote:
Also. I think I like the RB wasted on our Jailkeeper. It is not as good as our investigation role. So let them waste it on Vivax and let the cop do his job free of fear.
Jailkeeper is easier to work around anyway. And less punishing than a 3 reads cop.
Or we could have a mayor that can steer town in a good direction without mafia being able to shoot him for a while. No offense to Vivax, but the reactions to his claim show that is not him.
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On March 05 2024 07:24 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:20 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:17 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:
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Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax?
This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming,
Which implies this is a gambit for mayor.
If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor.
Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. Who even tracks how much they are in lylo situations. 11/4 really? Is this supposed to convince anybody? In that case: In the last 5 games I have been nkilled 3 times on N1, 1 time on N2 and I was once mafia. Pretty sure my reads were okish during those 4 towngames and on top I was lock town always. So unless you guys are going to attempt to say I am potential mafia. I am a good pick. But I think I like vivax for town mayor. Let mafia waste their RB on him. We might get the RB and then have a fully protected blue role. Pretty awesome. I am not ever going to vote this shitshow mason trash marv/rayn dumbfuck thing. Not ever. I wonder what mafia thinks of a mayor that is jailkeeper tbh. Somewhat frightening for sure. If they have a RB they would be quite happy about it I assume. They are for sure not unhappy. But it HAPPENED. So what is the smartest move now? Make the shitshow rayn mayor? Or an actual blue role. Do you want our bluerole shot on N?
Tbh I'd rather see Vivax die in the night than being mayor. At least if I am convinced of a good candidate.
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On March 05 2024 07:27 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:24 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 07:20 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:17 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. Who even tracks how much they are in lylo situations. 11/4 really? Is this supposed to convince anybody? In that case: In the last 5 games I have been nkilled 3 times on N1, 1 time on N2 and I was once mafia. Pretty sure my reads were okish during those 4 towngames and on top I was lock town always. So unless you guys are going to attempt to say I am potential mafia. I am a good pick. But I think I like vivax for town mayor. Let mafia waste their RB on him. We might get the RB and then have a fully protected blue role. Pretty awesome. I am not ever going to vote this shitshow mason trash marv/rayn dumbfuck thing. Not ever. I wonder what mafia thinks of a mayor that is jailkeeper tbh. Somewhat frightening for sure. If they have a RB they would be quite happy about it I assume. They are for sure not unhappy. But it HAPPENED. So what is the smartest move now? Make the shitshow rayn mayor? Or an actual blue role. Do you want our bluerole shot on N? Tbh I'd rather see Vivax die in the night than being mayor. At least if I am convinced of a good candidate. out of spite? Vivax is a very capable town player.
Not out of spite. But he will not be calm/collected/respected enough to be a helpful presence I fear. Even if we believe the claim.
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A marv or Koshi mayor would be ideal in my mind provided they prove themselves town until the day is over.
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On March 05 2024 07:47 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? The arrogance of the mason buddies knows no limit. Better not question them and just obey.
Their disdain for the common man is indeed outrageous. How dare they treat us this way.
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On March 05 2024 07:51 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that.
^ That would make sense.
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On March 05 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that. How is he getting more power? He is just immune to night kill, if he was getting a double vote for the rest of the game that is a different story. Having our jailkeeper with night kill immunity is really fucking powerful, at worst it soaks a rb for the rest of the game, at best it is just literally broken. It puts mafia in all sorts of uncomfortable positions where they are fucked if the RB gets lynched or shot. The vig shot or whatever can be negotiated, but I don't think vivax is bad as town regardless, and he is basically confirmed town. Why would I roll the dice on anyone who is NOT confirmed town. Rayn, marv and sandro are NOT confirmed town.
Lets be real here for a second. Vivax is also not confirmed town.
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On March 05 2024 07:59 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:58 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that. How is he getting more power? He is just immune to night kill, if he was getting a double vote for the rest of the game that is a different story. Having our jailkeeper with night kill immunity is really fucking powerful, at worst it soaks a rb for the rest of the game, at best it is just literally broken. It puts mafia in all sorts of uncomfortable positions where they are fucked if the RB gets lynched or shot. The vig shot or whatever can be negotiated, but I don't think vivax is bad as town regardless, and he is basically confirmed town. Why would I roll the dice on anyone who is NOT confirmed town. Rayn, marv and sandro are NOT confirmed town. Lets be real here for a second. Vivax is also not confirmed town. Wrong. CC me or go away
Nobody will CC you on day1 if you have fakeclaimed (if we even have a Jailkeeper in that case). Not unless it looks like you are actually being elected and even then I am unsure if that would be the correct play.
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On March 05 2024 08:01 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 08:00 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:59 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 07:58 DarthPunk wrote:
The fact that vivax claimed when he did is arguably bad, but now that he HAS claimed, it is just worse to not make him NK immune by voting him for mayor.
otherwise he will just get NK this night, and we lose a confirmed town.
So someone explain to me why I am the idiot in this situation? You know mayors can get lynched right bud Are we lynching vivax marv? You miss my point. You elect a nut job who kills stupid people or makes stupid decision. Or you elect someone v likely town who might actually hit mafia, and In case you elected mafia after all you can still lynch them later
Rough way to put it. But correct.
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On March 05 2024 08:04 Koshi wrote:
Do I really have to go and compare D1 reads from the past year between Vivax and rayn? I would be surprised if rayn is so much better.
I know for instance I have had some good D1 reads. Sadly enough my main suspect was often town but I was near mafia. Copcake once, DMB last game, iamp in the canceled game. I don't remember anything else though. Let alone Vivax and rayn reads.
Who cares?
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On March 05 2024 08:04 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 08:03 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:59 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 07:58 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that. How is he getting more power? He is just immune to night kill, if he was getting a double vote for the rest of the game that is a different story. Having our jailkeeper with night kill immunity is really fucking powerful, at worst it soaks a rb for the rest of the game, at best it is just literally broken. It puts mafia in all sorts of uncomfortable positions where they are fucked if the RB gets lynched or shot. The vig shot or whatever can be negotiated, but I don't think vivax is bad as town regardless, and he is basically confirmed town. Why would I roll the dice on anyone who is NOT confirmed town. Rayn, marv and sandro are NOT confirmed town. Lets be real here for a second. Vivax is also not confirmed town. Wrong. CC me or go away Nobody will CC you on day1 if you have fakeclaimed (if we even have a Jailkeeper in that case). Not unless it looks like you are actually being elected and even then I am unsure if that would be the correct play. You realize how much information I give away for free if I do this as mafia right? It's like seppuku.
No, I do not realize. What are you giving away? Worst case you get the actual blue to cc you.
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On March 05 2024 08:12 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 08:08 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 08:04 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 08:03 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:59 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 07:58 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that. How is he getting more power? He is just immune to night kill, if he was getting a double vote for the rest of the game that is a different story. Having our jailkeeper with night kill immunity is really fucking powerful, at worst it soaks a rb for the rest of the game, at best it is just literally broken. It puts mafia in all sorts of uncomfortable positions where they are fucked if the RB gets lynched or shot. The vig shot or whatever can be negotiated, but I don't think vivax is bad as town regardless, and he is basically confirmed town. Why would I roll the dice on anyone who is NOT confirmed town. Rayn, marv and sandro are NOT confirmed town. Lets be real here for a second. Vivax is also not confirmed town. Wrong. CC me or go away Nobody will CC you on day1 if you have fakeclaimed (if we even have a Jailkeeper in that case). Not unless it looks like you are actually being elected and even then I am unsure if that would be the correct play. You realize how much information I give away for free if I do this as mafia right? It's like seppuku. No, I do not realize. What are you giving away? Worst case you get the actual blue to cc you. First of all, I'd betray all of my teammates just out of the blue. The actual JK would be able to coordinate his actions better by knowing I was confirmed scum. What you're suggesting is that I'd blindly gamethrow as mafia on D1.
I wouldnt call that game throwing and weirder plays have been made. Doing it as town is arguably worse in my opinion.
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Atm Koshi might be the best candidate for mayor tbh. Even though he is obstinate as usual.
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We would have to have a serious talk about the additional kill though.
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On March 05 2024 08:21 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 08:14 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 08:12 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 08:08 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 08:04 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 08:03 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:59 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 07:58 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:51 iamperfection wrote:
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Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that. How is he getting more power? He is just immune to night kill, if he was getting a double vote for the rest of the game that is a different story. Having our jailkeeper with night kill immunity is really fucking powerful, at worst it soaks a rb for the rest of the game, at best it is just literally broken. It puts mafia in all sorts of uncomfortable positions where they are fucked if the RB gets lynched or shot. The vig shot or whatever can be negotiated, but I don't think vivax is bad as town regardless, and he is basically confirmed town. Why would I roll the dice on anyone who is NOT confirmed town. Rayn, marv and sandro are NOT confirmed town. Lets be real here for a second. Vivax is also not confirmed town. Wrong. CC me or go away Nobody will CC you on day1 if you have fakeclaimed (if we even have a Jailkeeper in that case). Not unless it looks like you are actually being elected and even then I am unsure if that would be the correct play. You realize how much information I give away for free if I do this as mafia right? It's like seppuku. No, I do not realize. What are you giving away? Worst case you get the actual blue to cc you. First of all, I'd betray all of my teammates just out of the blue. The actual JK would be able to coordinate his actions better by knowing I was confirmed scum. What you're suggesting is that I'd blindly gamethrow as mafia on D1. I wouldnt call that game throwing and weirder plays have been made. Doing it as town is arguably worse in my opinion. You'd still just sack a town JK on the first night so that says it all about the worth of your opinion. Not just yours though.
Yeah, I will not sacrifice a strong town mayor for a JK that claimed needlessly.
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On March 05 2024 08:24 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 08:23 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 08:21 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 08:14 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 08:12 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 08:08 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 08:04 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 08:03 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:59 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 07:58 justanothertownie wrote:
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Lets be real here for a second. Vivax is also not confirmed town. Wrong. CC me or go away Nobody will CC you on day1 if you have fakeclaimed (if we even have a Jailkeeper in that case). Not unless it looks like you are actually being elected and even then I am unsure if that would be the correct play. You realize how much information I give away for free if I do this as mafia right? It's like seppuku. No, I do not realize. What are you giving away? Worst case you get the actual blue to cc you. First of all, I'd betray all of my teammates just out of the blue. The actual JK would be able to coordinate his actions better by knowing I was confirmed scum. What you're suggesting is that I'd blindly gamethrow as mafia on D1. I wouldnt call that game throwing and weirder plays have been made. Doing it as town is arguably worse in my opinion. You'd still just sack a town JK on the first night so that says it all about the worth of your opinion. Not just yours though. Yeah, I will not sacrifice a strong town mayor for a JK that claimed needlessly. Who's town? The guy you are so sure you can read like a pro or a 100% authentic claim?
Unfortunately, there is neither in this game
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But I think I answered that a few minutes ago.
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On March 05 2024 08:37 marvellosity wrote:
##vote: Palmar
To lynch I assume?
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On March 05 2024 08:50 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 08:50 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 08:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 08:44 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 08:41 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 08:37 marvellosity wrote:
##vote: Palmar To lynch I assume? Obviously Surface level, obvious townreads without Palmar-esque reasoning behind them. Trying too hard to be funny. Mafia A solid case Best in the thread tbh
I will go with that for now. Its solid ev regardless of the involved alignments.
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On March 05 2024 17:05 marvellosity wrote:
Iamp, i take back my criticism of your VE vote. I’m not convinced but I don’t think it’s bad.
As I’m not gonna be here, doing this to make life easier.
##mayor: Vivax
Do you really think that's the play here? Or are you just being lazy? I think mafia is super happy with Vivax being the guy they cannot shoot instead of someone who can actually lead lynches on them. People here put too much stock in roles and not enough in playing the game imo. But I would expect you not to.
I would much prefer you being obv town and going for mayor.
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On March 05 2024 19:02 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 19:00 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 17:05 marvellosity wrote:
Iamp, i take back my criticism of your VE vote. I’m not convinced but I don’t think it’s bad.
As I’m not gonna be here, doing this to make life easier.
##mayor: Vivax Do you really think that's the play here? Or are you just being lazy? I think mafia is super happy with Vivax being the guy they cannot shoot instead of someone who can actually lead lynches on them. People here put too much stock in roles and not enough in playing the game imo. But I would expect you not to. I would much prefer you being obv town and going for mayor. Hi I forgot you existed. What are your reads please.
You will have to wait. I am at work and can't play while that's the case. Haven't even caught up fully. My vote is out there.
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On March 05 2024 19:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 19:00 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 17:05 marvellosity wrote:
Iamp, i take back my criticism of your VE vote. I’m not convinced but I don’t think it’s bad.
As I’m not gonna be here, doing this to make life easier.
##mayor: Vivax Do you really think that's the play here? Or are you just being lazy? I think mafia is super happy with Vivax being the guy they cannot shoot instead of someone who can actually lead lynches on them. People here put too much stock in roles and not enough in playing the game imo. But I would expect you not to. I would much prefer you being obv town and going for mayor. Why is Marv obvious town over say Ray?
He isn't that's the whole issue. Both aren't.
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On March 05 2024 19:52 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 19:47 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 19:45 Koshi wrote:
Glad to see Palmar his Oats read be so lackluster. Makes it less easier to vote him out. I've lynched Oats for being bad town before. I'm perfectly willing to listen to ideas for other people to kill. That's good but doesn't change the fact you filtered Oats and failed to see he is playing hard. Poking at everybody; and it seems sincere as he does follow up. Also I don't like that Oats is Vivax his nr1 lynch, and that you are not putting more thought in it than "He wanted to be mayor" but didn't follow up bullshit read. Oats is the most important person right now. Or one of the most important people because our Mayor wants him dead. You should have been way more careful & thoughtful Palmar.
What happened to town gets to decide who Vivax kills? If you do not trust him to keep that promise you should switch your vote back to yourself.
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But I agree that Oats should not be the lynch today.
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On March 05 2024 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels probably town, JAT maybe mafia.
I dont understand why JAT keeps complaining about Vivax mayor but cant read anyone as town except Koshi but does nothing about Koshi getiing mayor.
Rels doesnt seem to be pushing any agenda.
On one hand I am comaining too much about Vivax mayor on the other hand I should do more to get koshi mayor. What is it now?
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Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn?
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I mean it's kinda hard when koshi doesn't seem to want to be mayor anymore and all other candidates are lackluster. Of course you could say I should campaign myself but I won't. Too much hassle.
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On March 05 2024 21:32 Koshi wrote:
For me Palmar & tfrel need to go. You can swap them out for Hapa and Jealous if you want. But they should be modkilled. It's sad but just unfair after 0 posts. I thought everybody except 3 confirmed? I was one of the 3 that didn't join the discord yet.
Fine with me. Maybe you should consider running for mayor? 
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On March 05 2024 22:14 Palmar wrote:
16/97 pages is just DP, jesus christ
Yeah. Tempted to townread him just for that tbh. Even though I really don't like the way he went about the mayor stuff and the cake push was also meh.
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On March 05 2024 22:37 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:36 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 22:31 Palmar wrote:
So thoughts on Vivax
1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia.
2) He did claim so we work with what we got
3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill"
4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax
In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor.
[b]There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, [/]and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point.
That solves that problem for me.
I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though. I think, I said, he can do this as mafia. Oh he can, what Vivax lacks in brains he has in balls. I just don't think anyone is trying to argue that he is. Like make a case on him if you think this is wrong.
That's a false dichotomy. You don't have to think he is mafia in order to prefer someone else as mayor.
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On March 05 2024 23:13 Palmar wrote:JAT looks pretty bad. He has said pretty much nothing about me except that comment about not agreeing with my logic on how Vivax needs to be treated, which isn't alignment indicative. And he's trying to kill me. And his filter is shorter than mine so he can't even claim lurker lynch
Well, I think it should be obvious that I am 100 % sheeping right now to see where this goes. I don't have a reason of my own except for the lack of reasons to townread you.
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On March 06 2024 01:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
I’m trying to wrap my head around this Palmar push by marv and what it means for marvs alignment.
I think Palmar has been way more townie this last like 5 pages and that only seems to solidify marvs read
For marvs alignment it is very promising. I don't think scum marv does this to town palmar. In all other worlds this is good. If it is TvT marv will figure it out, if not we lynch mafia.
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On March 05 2024 23:26 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:24 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 23:13 Palmar wrote:JAT looks pretty bad. He has said pretty much nothing about me except that comment about not agreeing with my logic on how Vivax needs to be treated, which isn't alignment indicative. And he's trying to kill me. And his filter is shorter than mine so he can't even claim lurker lynch Well, I think it should be obvious that I am 100 % sheeping right now to see where this goes. I don't have a reason of my own except for the lack of reasons to townread you. So call me town baby
For what?
On March 05 2024 23:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 19:00 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 17:05 marvellosity wrote:
Iamp, i take back my criticism of your VE vote. I’m not convinced but I don’t think it’s bad.
As I’m not gonna be here, doing this to make life easier.
##mayor: Vivax Do you really think that's the play here? Or are you just being lazy? I think mafia is super happy with Vivax being the guy they cannot shoot instead of someone who can actually lead lynches on them. People here put too much stock in roles and not enough in playing the game imo. But I would expect you not to. I would much prefer you being obv town and going for mayor. Yes and yes Jat, to be brutally honest. To an extent it’s a thread cleanup exercise. It’s clear that the mayor shouting is a horrible distraction. If we just vote for Vivax mafia can’t hide behind that anymore. Clearly it wasn’t my first choice originally but i feel it’s just the right thing to do here.
Well, I disagree and I will stand by that. The mayor thing is at least as important as the lynch today and you guys are currently wasting the opportunity to make a town leader unkillable. But I have said my part. Guess it is Vivax time to shine if he is town.
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On March 06 2024 02:04 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 01:56 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 23:26 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 23:24 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 23:13 Palmar wrote:JAT looks pretty bad. He has said pretty much nothing about me except that comment about not agreeing with my logic on how Vivax needs to be treated, which isn't alignment indicative. And he's trying to kill me. And his filter is shorter than mine so he can't even claim lurker lynch Well, I think it should be obvious that I am 100 % sheeping right now to see where this goes. I don't have a reason of my own except for the lack of reasons to townread you. So call me town baby For what? On March 05 2024 23:41 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 19:00 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 17:05 marvellosity wrote:
Iamp, i take back my criticism of your VE vote. I’m not convinced but I don’t think it’s bad.
As I’m not gonna be here, doing this to make life easier.
##mayor: Vivax Do you really think that's the play here? Or are you just being lazy? I think mafia is super happy with Vivax being the guy they cannot shoot instead of someone who can actually lead lynches on them. People here put too much stock in roles and not enough in playing the game imo. But I would expect you not to. I would much prefer you being obv town and going for mayor. Yes and yes Jat, to be brutally honest. To an extent it’s a thread cleanup exercise. It’s clear that the mayor shouting is a horrible distraction. If we just vote for Vivax mafia can’t hide behind that anymore. Clearly it wasn’t my first choice originally but i feel it’s just the right thing to do here. Well, I disagree and I will stand by that. The mayor thing is at least as important as the lynch today and you guys are currently wasting the opportunity to make a town leader unkillable. But I have said my part. Guess it is Vivax time to shine if he is town. How is the situation being wasted in your perspective? Vivax is currently the runaway leader to be mayor
Did you not read any of my other posts about this subject?
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On March 06 2024 00:19 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 00:10 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 00:07 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 00:00 marvellosity wrote:
Do you know why I normally tr read you Palmar? No idea. Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game. Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game. Unless.... You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread. And - i know you know I don’t push for you like this as mafia. As if you are town I am putting myself in an incredibly difficult spot when the person I know best flips town. It’s a terrible play. The only logical explanation is I am town and I think you are mafia. See this is only valid if I genuinely believe you want to play the game. You would be perfectly happy trading yourself for a 1v1 lynch as mafia IF you don't really want to play. There is a reason I said earlier that I can't call you scum for being lazy, but I also can't call you town for kinda... lazily pushing me. If you had 15 pages of filter and were hammering down on me with the wrath of a thousand suns you'd be town. As for now, I don't know, and I don't really think it's productive for us to argue about it. Just go read other people and see what you find. Maybe talk to Sandroba in your friend chat.
I really doubt that you actually believe marv would go for a 1 for 1 with you as mafia. I don't think he would ever spend so much energy so unnecessarily.
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On March 06 2024 02:09 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 02:05 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 02:04 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:56 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 23:26 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 23:24 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 23:13 Palmar wrote:JAT looks pretty bad. He has said pretty much nothing about me except that comment about not agreeing with my logic on how Vivax needs to be treated, which isn't alignment indicative. And he's trying to kill me. And his filter is shorter than mine so he can't even claim lurker lynch Well, I think it should be obvious that I am 100 % sheeping right now to see where this goes. I don't have a reason of my own except for the lack of reasons to townread you. So call me town baby For what? On March 05 2024 23:41 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 19:00 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 17:05 marvellosity wrote:
Iamp, i take back my criticism of your VE vote. I’m not convinced but I don’t think it’s bad.
As I’m not gonna be here, doing this to make life easier.
##mayor: Vivax Do you really think that's the play here? Or are you just being lazy? I think mafia is super happy with Vivax being the guy they cannot shoot instead of someone who can actually lead lynches on them. People here put too much stock in roles and not enough in playing the game imo. But I would expect you not to. I would much prefer you being obv town and going for mayor. Yes and yes Jat, to be brutally honest. To an extent it’s a thread cleanup exercise. It’s clear that the mayor shouting is a horrible distraction. If we just vote for Vivax mafia can’t hide behind that anymore. Clearly it wasn’t my first choice originally but i feel it’s just the right thing to do here. Well, I disagree and I will stand by that. The mayor thing is at least as important as the lynch today and you guys are currently wasting the opportunity to make a town leader unkillable. But I have said my part. Guess it is Vivax time to shine if he is town. How is the situation being wasted in your perspective? Vivax is currently the runaway leader to be mayor Did you not read any of my other posts about this subject? Not really sure how they are relevant to the question I’m asking, answer the question
They are very important since it is more or less impossible that you read them without taking away that I think Vivax as mayor is a bad choice. How can you be interested in this topic without knowing this?
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On March 06 2024 02:13 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 02:11 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 00:19 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 00:10 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 00:07 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 00:00 marvellosity wrote:
Do you know why I normally tr read you Palmar? No idea. Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game. Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game. Unless.... You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread. And - i know you know I don’t push for you like this as mafia. As if you are town I am putting myself in an incredibly difficult spot when the person I know best flips town. It’s a terrible play. The only logical explanation is I am town and I think you are mafia. See this is only valid if I genuinely believe you want to play the game. You would be perfectly happy trading yourself for a 1v1 lynch as mafia IF you don't really want to play. There is a reason I said earlier that I can't call you scum for being lazy, but I also can't call you town for kinda... lazily pushing me. If you had 15 pages of filter and were hammering down on me with the wrath of a thousand suns you'd be town. As for now, I don't know, and I don't really think it's productive for us to argue about it. Just go read other people and see what you find. Maybe talk to Sandroba in your friend chat. I really doubt that you actually believe marv would go for a 1 for 1 with you as mafia. I don't think he would ever spend so much energy so unnecessarily. You do love to bask in his shadow and white knight him like you‘re doing here. Let‘s see if that pays off for you !
wat
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Yeah, I heard blues claiming on day1 always scares the mafia a lot.
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On March 06 2024 02:30 sandroba wrote:
Hey JAT what's your take on the game? Where is the mafia? If you had your wish and Koshi got elected, who should he lynch?
In addition to Palmar you mean?
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Would have to PoE at this point. Probably someone in this pool:
Trfel
Jealous
MZ
JS
Hapa
TTS
VE
Slam
Would have to narrow it down somehow.
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On March 06 2024 02:44 sandroba wrote:
Curious about the MZ and JS reads as the other bunch is inactive/slam. Can you tell me why they made it to the list?
There was nothing that made me think MZ is town and (yes, I am going there again) found his insistance on voting for Vivax especially egregious and uncritical. For JS it is purely that I can't really remember anything he posted right now.
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On March 06 2024 03:42 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 03:39 sandroba wrote:
I had an early town read on dmb, but she has then turned into more of a single threaded bot that only pops in to talk about the vivax claim. Not seeing as many unprompted inputs from her as I would expect from her as town. Yes
I get a different vibe from her than last game when she was mafia. The only time I felt reminded was when this was posted:
On March 05 2024 05:07 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 05:00 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not. that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that. She's saying you are too experienced and dangerous as scum to trust you with that on a D1. that would be another bullshit statement.
Uhhhhh thats scum rayn getting mad because newbie ruins his scum major plan. Already love this game. I didn´t write any bs just my opinion why vivax claims and why I wouldn´t vote you as mayor only for lynch but not on D1 maybe on d2
Similar bravado and sureness when compared to the way she went after Palmar in the other game. But otherwise way less crazy.
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Still very happy with Palmar on the chopping block. He is supposed to be good on day1. Last game he lead a lynch - this game he doesn't have any impact. Its not even the weekend so he is fair game.
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On March 06 2024 03:57 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 03:55 justanothertownie wrote:
Still very happy with Palmar on the chopping block. He is supposed to be good on day1. Last game he lead a lynch - this game he doesn't have any impact. Its not even the weekend so he is fair game. Not a valid analysis.
Explain.
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On March 06 2024 04:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh ya the stupid fucking claim
GOD YOU GUYS ARE ANNOYING
Personally, I dont put any stock in that claim. Slam is another candidate who played more towny in the last game.
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On March 06 2024 04:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
All right well, I guess I'll vote for Koshi as mayor since you guys are cowards and won't vote for me. Vivax claim makes him look super bad to me, pretty sure its NAI but I certainly don't believe the claim, he just wanted to be mayor. I don't think Vivax necessarily mafia, but I generally don't want him to be mayor either.
Koshi is calling for my head indirectly, but I think he town and I think he's a better mayor candidate generally speaking. Maybe posting this will put me at 4 pages and out of the range of his wrath.
Not that I disagree - good choice - but there is literally one other vote on him.
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On March 06 2024 04:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
There would be literally One vote on me, which is who else I'd vote for. What do you suggest JAT? Unilaterally and unanimously handing the keys to this town to a D1 fake claimer?
Ok, fair enough I guess. You dont trust rayn then?
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On March 06 2024 04:26 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 04:09 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 03:57 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 03:55 justanothertownie wrote:
Still very happy with Palmar on the chopping block. He is supposed to be good on day1. Last game he lead a lynch - this game he doesn't have any impact. Its not even the weekend so he is fair game. Not a valid analysis. Explain. Sometimes I create personalities and argue with myself throughout day 1. I have not done that here so I must be mafia. Sometimes I’ve policy lynched all claimers on day 1. I have not advocated that here so I must be mafia. Sometimes I go completely afk day 1. I have not done that here so I must be mafia. You want to lynch me because of the fact I’m not copying my last game. If you don’t have a case for why what I have done this game makes me mafia then you don’t have a case
Isnt that convenient. Not doing anything into "if I havent done anything scummy you dont have a case". I would take option 1, 2 and your play last game over whatever this is for sure.
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I would even take some funnier shitposts.
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On March 06 2024 04:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
No I trust rayn mostly. Also iamp is on him who I'm mostly town on so it feels like safe choice. I think I'd rather see Koshi have it but I think rayn has higher chance of getting it over Vivax than Koshi.
Okay you've convinced me JAT, thank you for manipulating my thought process and pushing your agenda. Are you joining me in this endeavor? Or are you fine with Vivax as mayor?
Depends on what rayn does until I go to bed - undecided. Koshi is much safer.
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On March 06 2024 04:36 Koshi wrote:
Should I send in a name? Seems unnecessairy.
I am going to be early today. Yesterday drained me.
Can't hurt, right?
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On March 06 2024 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 05:22 Vivax wrote:
I'm untownreading sandroba upon review.
I think he's too okay with Palmar dying while voting elsewhere and JAT his main scumread is maybe superficially scummy and the ideal target a scum would latch onto.
Plus he called my posts shallow and generally looks like he's just dragging himself along. Are you factoring in a mason chat into the math? Like, I can see town Sand just kinda dragging in the thread if he's focusing activity in a mason chat. Not defending him per se, but I also disagree that jat an easy target, like me he can turn it on if he has to.
That is true, historically at least. Doesn't mean anything for Palmar though.
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On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia.
Is that still all you have on me, sandro? I think I explained all I have done here more than sufficiently. Unlike you, I think the mayor vote is quite important. I post the same thing to you as I did to Rayn - what am I supposed to do about it at this point? The post you quote is not disinterested or complacent. It is rather resignating/annoyed. Of course I do not have very good reasoning for Vivax being mafia - I never even called him mafia in the first place. I just don't agree that the claim makes him confirmed town or even more likely town than Koshi.
I think that your characterization does not fit my play at all.
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On March 06 2024 05:49 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 05:47 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 06 2024 05:22 Vivax wrote:
I'm untownreading sandroba upon review.
I think he's too okay with Palmar dying while voting elsewhere and JAT his main scumread is maybe superficially scummy and the ideal target a scum would latch onto.
Plus he called my posts shallow and generally looks like he's just dragging himself along. Are you factoring in a mason chat into the math? Like, I can see town Sand just kinda dragging in the thread if he's focusing activity in a mason chat. Not defending him per se, but I also disagree that jat an easy target, like me he can turn it on if he has to. That is true, historically at least. Doesn't mean anything for Palmar though. There are players this wouldn't hold for, I think sand isn't one of them.
I was talking about the last part of the post. Should have made that clearer. I can absolutely see sandro concentrating on the mason chats. Even though I think it would be better to just post in the thread instead so all townies can draw their own conclusions.
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On March 06 2024 06:02 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 06 2024 05:22 Vivax wrote:
I'm untownreading sandroba upon review.
I think he's too okay with Palmar dying while voting elsewhere and JAT his main scumread is maybe superficially scummy and the ideal target a scum would latch onto.
Plus he called my posts shallow and generally looks like he's just dragging himself along. Are you factoring in a mason chat into the math? Like, I can see town Sand just kinda dragging in the thread if he's focusing activity in a mason chat. Not defending him per se, but I also disagree that jat an easy target, like me he can turn it on if he has to. He got masoned though in my understanding. If Palmar is scum here I see a lazy ass attempt from him to start a CW. Like I don't get otherwise why 1. He's not voting with marv here. 2. He's just letting Palmar die without having a real read on him while Palmar is voting with him. JAT just talked about the claim mostly that's true but then he could accuse cop of doing the same thing at times. He's also not factoring it that JAT has it out personally for me so he doesn't want me to be mayor which gives him a town motivation to do so.
I really don't "have it out personally for you". I just don't think your play warrants an election as mayor.
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On March 06 2024 06:06 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 05:56 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia. Is that still all you have on me, sandro? I think I explained all I have done here more than sufficiently. Unlike you, I think the mayor vote is quite important. I post the same thing to you as I did to Rayn - what am I supposed to do about it at this point? The post you quote is not disinterested or complacent. It is rather resignating/annoyed. Of course I do not have very good reasoning for Vivax being mafia - I never even called him mafia in the first place. I just don't agree that the claim makes him confirmed town or even more likely town than Koshi. I think that your characterization does not fit my play at all. That's all I have, I've been looking at a couple of mafia games from you and the style seems similar. Compared to the town game I saw you had more pointed questions and relevant commentary. Granted all I found were old games and I confess the posting style between mafia and town is pretty similar. I think the sharpness of the content is the biggest difference and that is mostly subjective. I also confess that I like your posts more since after I called you out, but that doesn't mean you aren't mafia. What I'm dwelling on is would you as mafia make such low-effort replies when asked to explain your reads or would you be trying to come up with something more well thought out? I think the average mafia would tend towards the latter.
Checks out.
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On March 06 2024 06:17 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 06:06 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 06:02 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 06 2024 05:22 Vivax wrote:
I'm untownreading sandroba upon review.
I think he's too okay with Palmar dying while voting elsewhere and JAT his main scumread is maybe superficially scummy and the ideal target a scum would latch onto.
Plus he called my posts shallow and generally looks like he's just dragging himself along. Are you factoring in a mason chat into the math? Like, I can see town Sand just kinda dragging in the thread if he's focusing activity in a mason chat. Not defending him per se, but I also disagree that jat an easy target, like me he can turn it on if he has to. He got masoned though in my understanding. If Palmar is scum here I see a lazy ass attempt from him to start a CW. Like I don't get otherwise why 1. He's not voting with marv here. 2. He's just letting Palmar die without having a real read on him while Palmar is voting with him. JAT just talked about the claim mostly that's true but then he could accuse cop of doing the same thing at times. He's also not factoring it that JAT has it out personally for me so he doesn't want me to be mayor which gives him a town motivation to do so. I really don't "have it out personally for you". I just don't think your play warrants an election as mayor. Me and DP laid it out already why it's beneficial to have a JK as mayor. For scum it's like having a clock ticking against them to fight. If you make a VT mayor they don't even give a damn about killing the mayor. With me as mayor you force them to look for BGs. If I agree with sandro wanting to kill you it's because you can't see this.
The logic only works if scum cannot roleblock you. Which they more than likely can. You have a tendency for really questionable plays as is evidenced by claiming here in the first place. I don't want a mayor like that. I want someone who I can be as confident as possible about regarding his alignment and who ideally can shepherd town in a good direction in the coming days when influential townies will die in the night. Koshi is the better choice for both these things in my opinion. But we are turning in circles at this point.
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At this point you are basically a VT if you are town.
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On March 06 2024 06:39 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 06:25 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 06 2024 06:17 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 06:06 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 06:02 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 06 2024 05:22 Vivax wrote:
I'm untownreading sandroba upon review.
I think he's too okay with Palmar dying while voting elsewhere and JAT his main scumread is maybe superficially scummy and the ideal target a scum would latch onto.
Plus he called my posts shallow and generally looks like he's just dragging himself along. Are you factoring in a mason chat into the math? Like, I can see town Sand just kinda dragging in the thread if he's focusing activity in a mason chat. Not defending him per se, but I also disagree that jat an easy target, like me he can turn it on if he has to. He got masoned though in my understanding. If Palmar is scum here I see a lazy ass attempt from him to start a CW. Like I don't get otherwise why 1. He's not voting with marv here. 2. He's just letting Palmar die without having a real read on him while Palmar is voting with him. JAT just talked about the claim mostly that's true but then he could accuse cop of doing the same thing at times. He's also not factoring it that JAT has it out personally for me so he doesn't want me to be mayor which gives him a town motivation to do so. I really don't "have it out personally for you". I just don't think your play warrants an election as mayor. Me and DP laid it out already why it's beneficial to have a JK as mayor. For scum it's like having a clock ticking against them to fight. If you make a VT mayor they don't even give a damn about killing the mayor. With me as mayor you force them to look for BGs. If I agree with sandro wanting to kill you it's because you can't see this. I'm this thread, vivax wants to kill Jat for disagreeing with him on Mafia theory. Details at 11. Not quite but it's all he keeps talking about. Once this day is finally over we can talk reads. He acts as if mayor gives you superpowers besides unkillability and says he'd rather have Koshi alive but doesn't take a piece of any advice Koshi says lmao
In my experience that is the best way to deal with Koshi 100 % of the time :D
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On March 06 2024 06:42 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 06:25 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 06:17 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 06:06 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 06:02 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 06 2024 05:22 Vivax wrote:
I'm untownreading sandroba upon review.
I think he's too okay with Palmar dying while voting elsewhere and JAT his main scumread is maybe superficially scummy and the ideal target a scum would latch onto.
Plus he called my posts shallow and generally looks like he's just dragging himself along. Are you factoring in a mason chat into the math? Like, I can see town Sand just kinda dragging in the thread if he's focusing activity in a mason chat. Not defending him per se, but I also disagree that jat an easy target, like me he can turn it on if he has to. He got masoned though in my understanding. If Palmar is scum here I see a lazy ass attempt from him to start a CW. Like I don't get otherwise why 1. He's not voting with marv here. 2. He's just letting Palmar die without having a real read on him while Palmar is voting with him. JAT just talked about the claim mostly that's true but then he could accuse cop of doing the same thing at times. He's also not factoring it that JAT has it out personally for me so he doesn't want me to be mayor which gives him a town motivation to do so. I really don't "have it out personally for you". I just don't think your play warrants an election as mayor. Me and DP laid it out already why it's beneficial to have a JK as mayor. For scum it's like having a clock ticking against them to fight. If you make a VT mayor they don't even give a damn about killing the mayor. With me as mayor you force them to look for BGs. If I agree with sandro wanting to kill you it's because you can't see this. The logic only works if scum cannot roleblock you. Which they more than likely can. You have a tendency for really questionable plays as is evidenced by claiming here in the first place. I don't want a mayor like that. I want someone who I can be as confident as possible about regarding his alignment and who ideally can shepherd town in a good direction in the coming days when influential townies will die in the night. Koshi is the better choice for both these things in my opinion. But we are turning in circles at this point. So why do you think Koshi shepherds town in a good direction when you're not listening to a thing he says? You must be bullshitting that's how.
Its obviously not a given. But most of the times he has a good grip on the game from day 2-3 onwards if he is town.
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On March 06 2024 06:45 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 06:44 Koshi wrote:
Palmar and Hapa guys.
It's good enough fir D1. Palmar looks way better though.
How?
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On March 06 2024 06:48 Koshi wrote:Is it?
I think it is. The post itself is disappointing though. Smells like desperation and OMGUS.
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On March 06 2024 06:50 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 03:55 justanothertownie wrote:
Still very happy with Palmar on the chopping block. He is supposed to be good on day1. Last game he lead a lynch - this game he doesn't have any impact. Its not even the weekend so he is fair game. Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 06:33 Trfel wrote:
My apologies, I don't have time to play today. I'll try and catch up later tonight or tomorrow.
Voting for Vivax and Palmar, I don't particularly know why, I'll try and check in to see if I need to switch votes. If I get lynched so be it. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 16:40 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 16:24 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 16:13 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 16:00 CopCake wrote:
Btw Slam, can I get some town reads from you?
Everyone! Be serious, for a little bit. Like who would you lynch? I am not gonna ask save because I know you would save rayn and me. Never send to know For whom the bell tolls. I am voting Palmar VE probs scum with him Sadly Hapa is absent Jealous also gone, why? Perhaps, after all that, it is as simple as trfel But what do I know? It is day 1. Top stuff guys. I ctrl+f my name in slam's filter, he has mentioned me like exactly once.
You didn't even quote the correct post in my case. That's just bonus.
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On March 06 2024 06:55 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:24 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 23:13 Palmar wrote:JAT looks pretty bad. He has said pretty much nothing about me except that comment about not agreeing with my logic on how Vivax needs to be treated, which isn't alignment indicative. And he's trying to kill me. And his filter is shorter than mine so he can't even claim lurker lynch Well, I think it should be obvious that I am 100 % sheeping right now to see where this goes. I don't have a reason of my own except for the lack of reasons to townread you. want this one instead?
Yep, thank you very much.
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On March 06 2024 06:58 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 06:46 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 06:45 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 06:44 Koshi wrote:
Palmar and Hapa guys.
It's good enough fir D1. Palmar looks way better though. How? The main reason to lynch him was the fact he was being a lazy bastard and not scumhunting or doing anything at all when ostensibly day one is supposed to be his best day. So, he was a clear lynch going to bed last night my time. Now that I have started to catch up again, he has just been scumhunting and trying to solve the game as much as he can before he dies. This is generally the number one way that people are town when they are going to be lynched, just get as much info in the thread. I think his tone has looked good since he started trying, particularly the joy that he had when he got the same scumread on you with sandro at the same time. Now you could say that he is faking this level of engagement as mafia, but I happen to have first hand experience that palmar is absolutely terrible and lazy as mafia and I don't buy it. I think as mafia he would have not coasted so obviously only to then scum hunt and fake mindmelds later on, probably he would just fakeclaim something and roll the dice that way. Anyway I am not lynching 5 page palmar who is scumhunting and mindmelding with sandro day one. I just need to figure out who we are lynching instead. Like, why not you for example, in the obs you were really smart and here you are thoroughly underwhelming.
I am utterly unconvinced. Palmar can absolutely play a decent mafia game and he has not done anything recently that would be hard to fake. What has he solved? He is just going after the people who voted for him.
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On March 06 2024 07:02 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 06:55 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 23:24 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 23:13 Palmar wrote:JAT looks pretty bad. He has said pretty much nothing about me except that comment about not agreeing with my logic on how Vivax needs to be treated, which isn't alignment indicative. And he's trying to kill me. And his filter is shorter than mine so he can't even claim lurker lynch Well, I think it should be obvious that I am 100 % sheeping right now to see where this goes. I don't have a reason of my own except for the lack of reasons to townread you. want this one instead? There is no way mafia palmar does this btw. Like he is being offered a fucking lifeline with trfel scumclaiming in the thread and then instead of taking it he just goes, how about MY preferred lynch instead.
I don't think you know Palmar at all. Or you are just pulling things out of your ass. One of the 2.
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On March 06 2024 07:05 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:03 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 06:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 06:46 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 06:45 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 06:44 Koshi wrote:
Palmar and Hapa guys.
It's good enough fir D1. Palmar looks way better though. How? The main reason to lynch him was the fact he was being a lazy bastard and not scumhunting or doing anything at all when ostensibly day one is supposed to be his best day. So, he was a clear lynch going to bed last night my time. Now that I have started to catch up again, he has just been scumhunting and trying to solve the game as much as he can before he dies. This is generally the number one way that people are town when they are going to be lynched, just get as much info in the thread. I think his tone has looked good since he started trying, particularly the joy that he had when he got the same scumread on you with sandro at the same time. Now you could say that he is faking this level of engagement as mafia, but I happen to have first hand experience that palmar is absolutely terrible and lazy as mafia and I don't buy it. I think as mafia he would have not coasted so obviously only to then scum hunt and fake mindmelds later on, probably he would just fakeclaim something and roll the dice that way. Anyway I am not lynching 5 page palmar who is scumhunting and mindmelding with sandro day one. I just need to figure out who we are lynching instead. Like, why not you for example, in the obs you were really smart and here you are thoroughly underwhelming. I am utterly unconvinced. Palmar can absolutely play a decent mafia game and he has not done anything recently that would be hard to fake. What has he solved? He is just going after the people who voted for him. Find me one decent mafia game he has played then I will read it and decide. as it is I am still not lynching him today. I suggest you tell me why we should lynch trfel over yourself.
I will not go through the database at this time of day to prove something everyone already knows...
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On March 06 2024 07:07 Palmar wrote:
Hey I can be good as mafia. But that usually involves taking control of the thread and bullying people, because I also do that as town when I feel like it.
q.e.d.
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On March 06 2024 07:08 DarthPunk wrote:
Vote: JAT
Talk to me about someone that isn't palmar or vivax.
Like what? Trfel is in my POE. Not the worst lynch if it comes to it but I really see no reason to abandon this Palmar lynch right now.
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On March 06 2024 07:08 Koshi wrote:
For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.
why marv should not be called mafia:
1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1.
2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1.
3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.
Why Palmar is mafia:
4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon.
5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia.
6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.
Kill Palmar.
Yeah, but to add onto that marvs read on Palmar is actually really good. Evidence: also last game. And many before.
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On March 06 2024 07:13 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:08 Koshi wrote:
For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.
why marv should not be called mafia:
1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1.
2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1.
3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.
Why Palmar is mafia:
4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon.
5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia.
6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.
Kill Palmar. Koshi if Palmar is town, after last game you realise he SHOULD be scum reading marv because marv prides himself on being the palmar whisperer and saving him from being mislynched etc. so in this game, assuming palmar is town and marv seems to just be coasting to a palmar lynch here, town!palmar is always going to read marv as mafia.
Scum marv knows he will not easily be able to mislynch town Palmar. And I really really doubt he would ever try needlessly since he hates putting effort in as mafia.
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On March 06 2024 07:16 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:15 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 07:08 Koshi wrote:
For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.
why marv should not be called mafia:
1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1.
2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1.
3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.
Why Palmar is mafia:
4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon.
5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia.
6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.
Kill Palmar. Yeah, but to add onto that marvs read on Palmar is actually really good. Evidence: also last game. And many before. So for the record. You say Palmar is town?
What? How do you arrive at that conclusion from what I said?
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On March 06 2024 07:16 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:15 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 07:08 Koshi wrote:
For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.
why marv should not be called mafia:
1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1.
2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1.
3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.
Why Palmar is mafia:
4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon.
5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia.
6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.
Kill Palmar. Yeah, but to add onto that marvs read on Palmar is actually really good. Evidence: also last game. And many before. So when I flip town you tunnel marv? Good.
If he mislynches you and there is no obvious town marv on day2 then I absolutely will.
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On March 06 2024 07:27 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:19 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 07:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 07:08 Koshi wrote:
For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.
why marv should not be called mafia:
1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1.
2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1.
3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.
Why Palmar is mafia:
4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon.
5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia.
6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.
Kill Palmar. Koshi if Palmar is town, after last game you realise he SHOULD be scum reading marv because marv prides himself on being the palmar whisperer and saving him from being mislynched etc. so in this game, assuming palmar is town and marv seems to just be coasting to a palmar lynch here, town!palmar is always going to read marv as mafia. Scum marv knows he will not easily be able to mislynch town Palmar. And I really really doubt he would ever try needlessly since he hates putting effort in as mafia. I don;t buy this at all sorry. Palmar was a really easy mislynch here.
Really? Does not seem like it to me.
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DP is probably town btw. just very misguided.
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On March 06 2024 07:30 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:29 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 07:27 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 07:19 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 07:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 07:08 Koshi wrote:
For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.
why marv should not be called mafia:
1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1.
2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1.
3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.
Why Palmar is mafia:
4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon.
5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia.
6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.
Kill Palmar. Koshi if Palmar is town, after last game you realise he SHOULD be scum reading marv because marv prides himself on being the palmar whisperer and saving him from being mislynched etc. so in this game, assuming palmar is town and marv seems to just be coasting to a palmar lynch here, town!palmar is always going to read marv as mafia. Scum marv knows he will not easily be able to mislynch town Palmar. And I really really doubt he would ever try needlessly since he hates putting effort in as mafia. I don;t buy this at all sorry. Palmar was a really easy mislynch here. Really? Does not seem like it to me. Now it's not. But only cause of me <3
Sure...
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On March 06 2024 07:32 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:30 justanothertownie wrote:
DP is probably town btw. just very misguided. Speak politely to your betters.
Who would that be in your opinion?
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I will go to bed in like 10-15 minutes. It is really a shame that marv is not around and playing.
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On March 06 2024 07:44 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:43 justanothertownie wrote:
I will go to bed in like 10-15 minutes. It is really a shame that marv is not around and playing. While I'm starting to be more sus of him I'm happy to wait to see his activity outside of being in a mason chat.
It is less about being sus about him. I would however really like to know if he still thinks Palmar is the correct lynch at this point. After he now posted a lot more and got serious.
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On March 06 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:43 justanothertownie wrote:
I will go to bed in like 10-15 minutes. It is really a shame that marv is not around and playing. Move your vote, or I will lynch you.
Feel free to try.
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On March 06 2024 07:49 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? I completely understand your logic here and agree with it. To me it just looks like you are not really trying to do anything about it. Like really really try to do.. Good post by rayn.
Not at all. I am not a magician and Rayn knows that.
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On March 06 2024 07:51 marvellosity wrote:
Is Palmar actually playing?
10 pages behind.
Ok, I give you 10 more minutes... he is playing.
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On March 06 2024 07:53 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:52 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 07:51 DarthPunk wrote:
ATTENTION TOWNIES
We are now lynching JAT, adjust your votes accordingly. I don't know but I know I want to work with you. Adjusted. same and he's actually here so can freak out before the lynch and give more info. If you don't want to Die JAT give a list post of some sort.
I literally just said I will be going to bed in 10 minutes. You will have to be able to think on your own. If this town decides to mislynch me and elect Vivax at the same time that would be impressively bad.
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On March 06 2024 07:56 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 06:07 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 06 2024 06:06 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 06:02 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 06 2024 05:22 Vivax wrote:
I'm untownreading sandroba upon review.
I think he's too okay with Palmar dying while voting elsewhere and JAT his main scumread is maybe superficially scummy and the ideal target a scum would latch onto.
Plus he called my posts shallow and generally looks like he's just dragging himself along. Are you factoring in a mason chat into the math? Like, I can see town Sand just kinda dragging in the thread if he's focusing activity in a mason chat. Not defending him per se, but I also disagree that jat an easy target, like me he can turn it on if he has to. He got masoned though in my understanding. If Palmar is scum here I see a lazy ass attempt from him to start a CW. Like I don't get otherwise why 1. He's not voting with marv here. 2. He's just letting Palmar die without having a real read on him while Palmar is voting with him. JAT just talked about the claim mostly that's true but then he could accuse cop of doing the same thing at times. He's also not factoring it that JAT has it out personally for me so he doesn't want me to be mayor which gives him a town motivation to do so. I really don't "have it out personally for you". I just don't think your play warrants an election as mayor. Ninjago Great series bruh
Marv, I need to know if Palmar is still the lynch. Asap.
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On March 06 2024 08:00 marvellosity wrote:
I haven’t got to his posting.
As JAT seems to be a real wagon, can someone answer why he is taking this weird stance with Vivax?
Vivax is clearly going to be mafia and he’s only making himself look bad.
I think Jat is smarter than that. What’s his agenda? It’s clear no one else is going to be elected mayor at this stage
Then get to his posting first please. You can still defend me against these jubjubs later if necessary.
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On March 06 2024 08:16 marvellosity wrote:
I might have to concede I shouldn’t lynch palmar here.
I still think he can be mafia. But his posts have a much better tone to them now.
The doubt may make it a bad lynch.
... could you be more vague?
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On March 06 2024 08:18 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:17 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 08:16 marvellosity wrote:
I might have to concede I shouldn’t lynch palmar here.
I still think he can be mafia. But his posts have a much better tone to them now.
The doubt may make it a bad lynch. ... could you be more vague? At this point a palmer Lynch is kinda like a cop lynch. Looking back cop has a massive filter which I only see as a good thing.
Yeah, but it is forced filter length due to being under pressure.
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Marv, shall I leave my vote on Palmar or are you coming around on him? In that case I will vote Trfel out of self-preservation and call it a day. I have to work early tomorrow.
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On March 06 2024 16:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 16:44 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 16:43 marvellosity wrote:
Sigh. I’m just perpetually behind and I’m just tired from getting less sleep for 2 nights
This game is too big for little old me. I remember why I used to only join minis now Yes. I’m mostly slightly annoyed about Hapa. He was probably always going to flip town so we lost one of our biggest advantages in having an extra kill.
Yes, there is not a lot to draw from it but we would always have had to deal with this slot somehow. There is probably a lot to gain from the way the day went as is. I will have a detailed look after I read all of it later. If palmar is not mafia then they were coasting thougn.
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Unless you want to tell me that Hapa would not do this as mafia which I think would be hard to believe.
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On March 06 2024 18:12 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:08 sandroba wrote:On March 06 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... This is a scumslip word nr.4 today. Thank you love to improve my english Maybe just tired and annoyed about stupid people here. Either wagons are not a good D1 lynch Like is this for real? Annoyed at stupid people when she does not have a better lynch and isn't even saying she is confident the wagons are town? DMB looks bad based on her attitude towards the wagons at EOD Dripping in tmi
Can you explain in more detail? The post looks fine to me in a vacuum. I mean I obviously did not read the rest yet and I might be biased.
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I think it makes sense for me to have a look at the vote motivations on the wagons since I have a somewhat unique position knowing both main wagons were on town. Starting with my own for now:
Palmar:
He really just started pushing me after the wagon on him had already formed in an OMGUS kind of way. Its particularly terrible since he is doing it despite it going against his own principles.
On March 05 2024 23:13 Palmar wrote:JAT looks pretty bad. He has said pretty much nothing about me except that comment about not agreeing with my logic on how Vivax needs to be treated, which isn't alignment indicative. And he's trying to kill me. And his filter is shorter than mine so he can't even claim lurker lynch
Is that a mafia way of pushing Palmar? Not having any reasons? I don't think so. Palmar has also always been a big supporter of people being able to sheep when appropriate. And knowing the history of Palmar/marv and how good marv track record on reading him is this sheep was 100 % warranted. Palmar knows that so he is either being terrible - which is unfortunately not entirely out of the question - or just mafia.
I also don't like the very exaggerated buddying attempts towards Sandro.
On March 05 2024 23:21 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:19 sandroba wrote:
I missed palmar last burst while posting, jat overtook his spot as most scummy by a long shot. I'm actually pretty fucking confident JAT is mafia. You son of a bitch I'm in. You don't know how happy it made me to press post on that short "jat looks bad" post only to see it right beneath you calling him mafia.
On March 05 2024 23:25 Palmar wrote:
Btw I'm like 90% certain sandroba is town now.
People don't do this as mafia. He just dropped a post saying I look worse and worse, and then changes his mind like 5 minutes later.
It's really hard to come out of an aggressive tunnel like that as mafia, because you kinda have to force yourself to attack someone and when you've spent effort in making an attack on someone you know is town, it's super hard to just throw it away when new evidence presents itself.
ergo, I think sandroba is town, and he is now my captain.
All of this just because he posted a read at a similar time. I could somewhat buy this if they came up with the exact same reason but its just that they both thought I was mafia. That's nothing.
Basically Palmars reasoning boils down to "wants to lynch me without reasons" which in my opinion is not congruent with his usual mindset as town. I think a town Palmar would stop and ask himself why mafia would just openly go after him "without reasons" - it is not a good look, right? And I can only repeat that I actually had a very good reason to be on his wagon. Which he knows.
Apart from that he basically only started playing when the pressure was on. I will admit that this is not alignment indicative on its own but the way he was forced to go after marv and immediately dropped it when marv showed signs of relenting does not sit well with me.
More later.
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On March 06 2024 10:26 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:03 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2024 10:00 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 01:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:16 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 05 2024 20:02 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about. OatsmasterBoth initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this: On March 04 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
I’m running for mayor Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing. On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:
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I don't think pushing for it actually does anything. You don’t seem to even want to be mayor There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor". It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything. VisceraEyesPart of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read. But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him. Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good. On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game. I have zero interest in lynching VE today. DMBSo I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point. On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 06:13 Palmar wrote:
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It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about? Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game. She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though. But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed. Sorry for not having you in my list post. You had like one page on you Filter. You came in the game after like 60 Pages or something. You posted some good one liners that i actually liked. Especially that one that either people should vote Vivax for mayjor or for lynch. That one made think a litte bit about the other players here. I understand that people think the claim is a scum move but why do they not lynch him when they are not voting him as mayjor either?Still it was to less posting from you to make any kind of opinions on your aligment. I can just say I was not suspicious about your few posts just kinda liked them. Atm you are more likely Town for me, but beware, this can change quickly Out of all the posts in the past like 12 hours DMB chooses this one to respond to, fence sits and doesn’t apply any of the bolded section to her list post earlier so where does that thinking even come out? Normaly i have day off, but somebody is sick and I had to come in fast. Didn't have much time to read. Btw list Was requested by rels. No answer from him atm So what have you learned from the bolded section? I have already used a translator 3 times, which means I have learnt 3 new words in English But for real I think the lynch is goeing in a wrong direction so what are you going to do? I don´t know, but I will not vote for Trfl right now. I don´t see any majorly scum shit at his filter. He plays like in the last game and he was actually doeing amzing as Town last game. So I would not like to loss him if he is Town. Actually I would like to vote on DP because he seems more scummy for me in this game, but that would be a usless vote... Vote: Justanothertownie
Says would like to vote DP, votes me instead. Apparently only because she likes Trfel more, which is somewhat fair.
On March 06 2024 10:59 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:51 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 10:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... This is a scumslip I don't see it. Reasonable town lynch ie jat is town Is that a stretch though, could be ESL What’s the difficulty? She’s callling the lynch town AND shes on it Can you read? I didn´t say JAT is Town i just said I am not happy with both wagons. Should I waste my vote. Did it in my first game. OPEN YOU EYES AND READ CORRECTLY PLS
It is bad. Really bad even. But I don't think it is scummy. Last game she was very happy just antagonizing and fighting with town palmar. I would imagine she would just do the same here with dp since if she is mafia at this point the wagons are TvT and she does not need to care about them.
She is pushed later on and this is a very normal & believable reaction to Oats antics in my opinion:
On March 06 2024 12:22 die_meatbaby wrote:If this is town pls mafia pls nk him. He annoys me more then Palmars ego
Whatever it is you are seeing marv - I dont really get it. If she had tmi why not go for dp and let town keep destroying itself. I do believe it is likely that she just didnt want Trfel to get lynched.
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On March 06 2024 19:52 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 16:16 JacobStrangelove wrote:The case for Koshi. So I just decided to filter Koshi because he seems to be the very town seeming lynch pin holding the somewhat suspicious town group (MZ/CC in the corner together and very first page of his filter he scum slips hard and nobody notices. On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves. WHEN MARV FLIPS TOWN HEY? WHEN MARV FLIPS TOWN?? Not if Marv flips town when, how do you know Marv’s alignment huh Koshi? On March 04 2024 22:17 Koshi wrote:
I wanted to be mafia this game. Or wouldnt have mind.
But town is also fine.
I am going to play normal this game. So I would make a good mayor. Because I will be lock town. Also this type of post always rubs me the wrong way, Oh I’m not mafia tee hee. No pointless bad. Not even a funny “Oh I’m not mafia” just a generic oh damn guys I’m not mafia oh well straight to asking for Mayor. On March 05 2024 01:12 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 01:09 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 01:06 Koshi wrote:
I am gonna battle rayn. You don't think he is likely town? I havent read anything yet from before I first posted. Masoning marv is leaning town. Marv gets good rep, marv isnt saying rayn is mafia. So probably I will have to battle town rayn. That's ok. I will battle him with scumreads. Also early is convinced Rayn is town lack of doubt here is concerning. On March 05 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. Second wagon is often a townie as well. Mafia waits till town suggest a second town wagon and then sits on those 2 wagons. Then town vigis or kills second wagon as is tradition. I still think it is protown to want to give town 2 lynches, as it always provides information. But don't use the wrong reasons. This is frankly just semantic game state posting. Keep in mind Koshi entered the thread fairly late (simply due to timezones) there’s a lot to go off and this is what the focus is not scum hunting. On March 05 2024 04:47 Koshi wrote:I wrote this; decided not to post yet to see follow up On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game Don't like this because it breaks the flow of the recent good posts made by iamps & DP See this: On March 04 2024 12:52 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game upset that town are making town reads? In addition I like how iamp handled Oats. With humor and progression in reading Oats. And I liked how iamp tried to steer away town from retardation around theorycrafting the second wagon. So iamp lock town till D3 BUT OH BOY WE GOT IAMP RAY AND MARV ALL TOWN LOCKED IN THE FIRST PAGE THIS MAN’S PSYCHIC! On March 05 2024 05:08 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 13:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 13:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:48 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 13:46 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:39 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 13:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:36 iamperfection wrote:
dp being obtuse and ignoring me is extremely suspicious imo I literally just replied to you, and I am being super smart, not obtuse. Just FYI. i dont think your being smart at all. its a non post imo. You trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill is very suspicious. Why do you think its a non-post? because its basically just banter. Disagree. But DMB looks better since then so I don't really care anymore. excuse me. What has dmb done better. You were winning this entire chain till that last line from iamp. Did you answer DP? And with winning I mean looking pretty townie. man Dp’s also town everyone is town in Koshi land, Please like me guys I’m calling you all town. This said I will point out at this point they do go into a scum read on meatbaby for sowing distrust. Then goes in on TTS but I mean kinda everyone did even if TTS is scum I would bus them so hard if I was on a mafia team with them. On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. Then he also thinks Tfrel looks smart but isn’t being helpful. Which isn’t overly suspicious but good to note with the lynch result. On March 05 2024 23:51 Koshi wrote:
Ok let's shoot hapa with Vivax shot. I mean not wrong but an easy call to make as mafia if you know they are town. Okay I’ll be honest I got bored and the case kinda fell off but I see you just entered the thread Koshi. Mostly I’m concerned with the first part. On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves. Scum Slip Koshi? What’s happening here? I think Koshi meant here that he didnt care for the wishperers/mason chats and he has had Marv as town. So when Marv dies then the whisperers chat will have relevance to him. It is not a slip.
It definitely isn't. That is a really stupid take tbh.
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On March 06 2024 20:41 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 19:54 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 19:52 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 16:16 JacobStrangelove wrote:The case for Koshi. So I just decided to filter Koshi because he seems to be the very town seeming lynch pin holding the somewhat suspicious town group (MZ/CC in the corner together and very first page of his filter he scum slips hard and nobody notices. On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves. WHEN MARV FLIPS TOWN HEY? WHEN MARV FLIPS TOWN?? Not if Marv flips town when, how do you know Marv’s alignment huh Koshi? On March 04 2024 22:17 Koshi wrote:
I wanted to be mafia this game. Or wouldnt have mind.
But town is also fine.
I am going to play normal this game. So I would make a good mayor. Because I will be lock town. Also this type of post always rubs me the wrong way, Oh I’m not mafia tee hee. No pointless bad. Not even a funny “Oh I’m not mafia” just a generic oh damn guys I’m not mafia oh well straight to asking for Mayor. On March 05 2024 01:12 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 01:09 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 01:06 Koshi wrote:
I am gonna battle rayn. You don't think he is likely town? I havent read anything yet from before I first posted. Masoning marv is leaning town. Marv gets good rep, marv isnt saying rayn is mafia. So probably I will have to battle town rayn. That's ok. I will battle him with scumreads. Also early is convinced Rayn is town lack of doubt here is concerning. On March 05 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. Second wagon is often a townie as well. Mafia waits till town suggest a second town wagon and then sits on those 2 wagons. Then town vigis or kills second wagon as is tradition. I still think it is protown to want to give town 2 lynches, as it always provides information. But don't use the wrong reasons. This is frankly just semantic game state posting. Keep in mind Koshi entered the thread fairly late (simply due to timezones) there’s a lot to go off and this is what the focus is not scum hunting. On March 05 2024 04:47 Koshi wrote:I wrote this; decided not to post yet to see follow up On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game Don't like this because it breaks the flow of the recent good posts made by iamps & DP See this: On March 04 2024 12:52 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game upset that town are making town reads? In addition I like how iamp handled Oats. With humor and progression in reading Oats. And I liked how iamp tried to steer away town from retardation around theorycrafting the second wagon. So iamp lock town till D3 BUT OH BOY WE GOT IAMP RAY AND MARV ALL TOWN LOCKED IN THE FIRST PAGE THIS MAN’S PSYCHIC! On March 05 2024 05:08 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 13:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 13:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:48 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 13:46 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:39 iamperfection wrote:
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i dont think your being smart at all. its a non post imo. You trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill is very suspicious. Why do you think its a non-post? because its basically just banter. Disagree. But DMB looks better since then so I don't really care anymore. excuse me. What has dmb done better. You were winning this entire chain till that last line from iamp. Did you answer DP? And with winning I mean looking pretty townie. man Dp’s also town everyone is town in Koshi land, Please like me guys I’m calling you all town. This said I will point out at this point they do go into a scum read on meatbaby for sowing distrust. Then goes in on TTS but I mean kinda everyone did even if TTS is scum I would bus them so hard if I was on a mafia team with them. On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:
[quote]I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. Then he also thinks Tfrel looks smart but isn’t being helpful. Which isn’t overly suspicious but good to note with the lynch result. On March 05 2024 23:51 Koshi wrote:
Ok let's shoot hapa with Vivax shot. I mean not wrong but an easy call to make as mafia if you know they are town. Okay I’ll be honest I got bored and the case kinda fell off but I see you just entered the thread Koshi. Mostly I’m concerned with the first part. On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves. Scum Slip Koshi? What’s happening here? I think Koshi meant here that he didnt care for the wishperers/mason chats and he has had Marv as town. So when Marv dies then the whisperers chat will have relevance to him. It is not a slip. It definitely isn't. That is a really stupid take tbh. My take or cops take? Because anyone who can't see my take is instantly more suspicious.
Your take.
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On March 06 2024 20:54 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 20:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 20:41 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 06 2024 19:54 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 19:52 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 16:16 JacobStrangelove wrote:The case for Koshi. So I just decided to filter Koshi because he seems to be the very town seeming lynch pin holding the somewhat suspicious town group (MZ/CC in the corner together and very first page of his filter he scum slips hard and nobody notices. On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:
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Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves. WHEN MARV FLIPS TOWN HEY? WHEN MARV FLIPS TOWN?? Not if Marv flips town when, how do you know Marv’s alignment huh Koshi? On March 04 2024 22:17 Koshi wrote:
I wanted to be mafia this game. Or wouldnt have mind.
But town is also fine.
I am going to play normal this game. So I would make a good mayor. Because I will be lock town. Also this type of post always rubs me the wrong way, Oh I’m not mafia tee hee. No pointless bad. Not even a funny “Oh I’m not mafia” just a generic oh damn guys I’m not mafia oh well straight to asking for Mayor. On March 05 2024 01:12 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 01:09 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 01:06 Koshi wrote:
I am gonna battle rayn. You don't think he is likely town? I havent read anything yet from before I first posted. Masoning marv is leaning town. Marv gets good rep, marv isnt saying rayn is mafia. So probably I will have to battle town rayn. That's ok. I will battle him with scumreads. Also early is convinced Rayn is town lack of doubt here is concerning. On March 05 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. Second wagon is often a townie as well. Mafia waits till town suggest a second town wagon and then sits on those 2 wagons. Then town vigis or kills second wagon as is tradition. I still think it is protown to want to give town 2 lynches, as it always provides information. But don't use the wrong reasons. This is frankly just semantic game state posting. Keep in mind Koshi entered the thread fairly late (simply due to timezones) there’s a lot to go off and this is what the focus is not scum hunting. On March 05 2024 04:47 Koshi wrote:I wrote this; decided not to post yet to see follow up On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game Don't like this because it breaks the flow of the recent good posts made by iamps & DP See this: On March 04 2024 12:52 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game upset that town are making town reads? In addition I like how iamp handled Oats. With humor and progression in reading Oats. And I liked how iamp tried to steer away town from retardation around theorycrafting the second wagon. So iamp lock town till D3 BUT OH BOY WE GOT IAMP RAY AND MARV ALL TOWN LOCKED IN THE FIRST PAGE THIS MAN’S PSYCHIC! On March 05 2024 05:08 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 13:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 13:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:48 iamperfection wrote:
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because its basically just banter. Disagree. But DMB looks better since then so I don't really care anymore. excuse me. What has dmb done better. You were winning this entire chain till that last line from iamp. Did you answer DP? And with winning I mean looking pretty townie. man Dp’s also town everyone is town in Koshi land, Please like me guys I’m calling you all town. This said I will point out at this point they do go into a scum read on meatbaby for sowing distrust. Then goes in on TTS but I mean kinda everyone did even if TTS is scum I would bus them so hard if I was on a mafia team with them. On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:
[quote]You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. Then he also thinks Tfrel looks smart but isn’t being helpful. Which isn’t overly suspicious but good to note with the lynch result. On March 05 2024 23:51 Koshi wrote:
Ok let's shoot hapa with Vivax shot. I mean not wrong but an easy call to make as mafia if you know they are town. Okay I’ll be honest I got bored and the case kinda fell off but I see you just entered the thread Koshi. Mostly I’m concerned with the first part. On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:
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Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves. Scum Slip Koshi? What’s happening here? I think Koshi meant here that he didnt care for the wishperers/mason chats and he has had Marv as town. So when Marv dies then the whisperers chat will have relevance to him. It is not a slip. It definitely isn't. That is a really stupid take tbh. My take or cops take? Because anyone who can't see my take is instantly more suspicious. your Do you also think it's wrong? Like just because it's me posting take a step back, it's the most basic of scum slips it's probably the only solid piece of evidence in the thread?
There is always someone who claims such a thing is a scumslip and it never is.
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On March 06 2024 20:56 DarthPunk wrote:
I was just reading before bed but I want to chime in here and say that Jake’s case on koshi says more about Jake’s alignment than koshis.
I don’t see him doing that as mafia at all.
Anyway goodnight.
I don't know about that. In my experience mafia really likes to latch onto these kind of things. Reserving judgment for now.
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On March 06 2024 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 21:01 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 20:56 DarthPunk wrote:
I was just reading before bed but I want to chime in here and say that Jake’s case on koshi says more about Jake’s alignment than koshis.
I don’t see him doing that as mafia at all.
Anyway goodnight. I don't know about that. In my experience mafia really likes to latch onto these kind of things. Reserving judgment for now. DP agreeing with that is far more worrisome. It's simply just how koshi posts.
True.
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Rels:
On March 06 2024 08:53 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:49 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:45 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 08:38 Rels wrote:
If Palmar was the leading wagon or counterwagon to him at the time, I don't see the issue? I can relate to not having the time It's a stark difference to his level last game. He posted a bit at the start of the game, got town read and noped out. But hey, you can vote Jat with me if you want instead, or propose something else. Will try to filter JAT before I have to go I mean you could just go LOL I really have a hard time understanding this: Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:30 Rels wrote:
"I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it." => then 1 hour later "Wait you still think I'm mafia?"
????? I don't know if there is any explanation you could give that would satisfy me, but, maybe try?
He seems very very sure about Palmar being mafia. So that is fine as long as the wagon had steam. After it died town we see this:
On March 06 2024 09:02 Rels wrote:
Finished reading JAT's filter, DP anything what was the thing(s) you saw that was not smart? I thought it was pretty empty for sure, didn't see any red flag though.
On March 06 2024 09:08 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? Yeah I guess this post from the sandroba case is pretty lackluster
Does not seem very strong either way. So I am not entirely sure how we arrive at this:
On March 06 2024 09:10 Rels wrote:
Gotta go. I would say out of the options I have, my preference would be Palmar > JAT > random lurker (out of those, I still think TTS has the highest chance of flipping scum)
Still think Trfel is town, I would prefer any random lurker over him
But that is finde. What is not fine is that he isn't bothered at all that he is pushing for the same lynch as his top scumread Palmar. So, do we believe Rels just throws all of his conviction out of the window to vote me with his one scumread based on a townread that is at best "weak"?
On March 06 2024 08:46 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. The posts that made me think Trfel was townie at the beginning of the game, he showed some conviction: Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 13:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 13:11 DarthPunk wrote:
MZ could be mafia here.
That associative push with me/vivax is really out there. And usually I am the one defending him from being misylnched by all the bads. Sorry I keep doing this, but why do you think that makes Meapak_Ziphh mafia? I don't see why that reasoning is more likely to come from mafia, if anything I think it's the opposite. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. Looking at the Slam question on Oats, it's this right? Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote
But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
Am I the only one seeing this or what? Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say. @Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:47 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote
But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
Am I the only one seeing this or what? Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say. @Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. Caring about what exactly? Because if he cares to find actual scum, this pursuit of perfection doesn't seem to be a surefire way to me. He was not far from lynching our cop, for example, for being a bit logically inconsistent- in Oatsmaster's mind. I think Oats may suffer from some difficulty with theory of mind if he is town here, which I could relate to. In which case I would go right back from a growing SR to a TR. I'm not confident enough in my read to be interested in defending Oatsmaster here, it's just the impression I got from his posts, which could be wrong. I will say though that whether or not his play is helpful doesn't matter as much as whether or not he truly thinks it is helpful. I guess it's pretty weak conviction yeah. Don't think it's enough by itself to make him scumread him, let alone be my preferred lynch right now.
No issue at all it seems. Leads me to think between Rels and Palmar there is at least 1 mafia.
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Meapak:
Spoiler: The worst one yet.
On March 06 2024 09:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:59 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 08:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I just finished debriefing, I'm still at work and can't catch up on 600 posts. Can a couple of people please summarize what's happened? Palmar mafia, palmar maybe not mafia. Jat and Trfel maybe mafia Marv looking sexy in Speedos Breezing through the voting thread it looks like JAT and Trfel are the options, I see a couple of my town reads on Trfel but I had him as town very early on. If nobody can give me a convincing reason why JAT is town I'm probably gonna vote him as I don't recall being impressed by anything he posted up through last night. Still trying to get through shit at work but I'll check my phone until the deadline.
Weak but that is ok so far for a lazy townie.
On March 06 2024 11:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:I'm completely going off of the vibes I got from skimming the last 10 pages or so but a lot of people seem to be scumreading Trfel based on meta correct? I don't remember playing with him any time recently so I don't think pure meta is going to be enough for me on this lynch. I am going to read JAT's filter next since I'm still unsure the case on him although if I had to guess I be it boils down to being useless bc that's what I picked up last night.
Here is where it starts to get scummy. He feels the need to further justify and does it really poorly in my opinion. Not only are people not scumreading Trfel for meta reasons alone, but the only case on me (Sandro) is also pure meta.
On March 06 2024 11:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:This is a rough post but I am going to put my vote on JAT before I read Trfel. My problem isn't with how he responded to the vivax mayor stuff, in fact he does a better job than some people did at articulating his concerns, my problem comes with his "POE scum list" and how easily that rolled into a Trfel vote for self preservation. + Show Spoiler +I used to love post by post analysis reads but now I hate them, however given the situation this is how I’m rolling with JAT. Two piles, love or hate. Let’s read. GoodOn March 05 2024 08:03 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:59 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 07:58 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that. How is he getting more power? He is just immune to night kill, if he was getting a double vote for the rest of the game that is a different story. Having our jailkeeper with night kill immunity is really fucking powerful, at worst it soaks a rb for the rest of the game, at best it is just literally broken. It puts mafia in all sorts of uncomfortable positions where they are fucked if the RB gets lynched or shot. The vig shot or whatever can be negotiated, but I don't think vivax is bad as town regardless, and he is basically confirmed town. Why would I roll the dice on anyone who is NOT confirmed town. Rayn, marv and sandro are NOT confirmed town. Lets be real here for a second. Vivax is also not confirmed town. Wrong. CC me or go away Nobody will CC you on day1 if you have fakeclaimed (if we even have a Jailkeeper in that case). Not unless it looks like you are actually being elected and even then I am unsure if that would be the correct play. This is probably the only decent counter argument to the Vivax mayor thing, even if I disagree with it, he’s at least thinking and not just going REEE bc he hate Vivax’s claim On March 06 2024 05:56 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia. Is that still all you have on me, sandro? I think I explained all I have done here more than sufficiently. Unlike you, I think the mayor vote is quite important. I post the same thing to you as I did to Rayn - what am I supposed to do about it at this point? The post you quote is not disinterested or complacent. It is rather resignating/annoyed. Of course I do not have very good reasoning for Vivax being mafia - I never even called him mafia in the first place. I just don't agree that the claim makes him confirmed town or even more likely town than Koshi. I think that your characterization does not fit my play at all. I think this is a reasonable response to sandroba, I don’t think he’s right with his reasoning but I can see where he’s coming from. badOn March 05 2024 07:31 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:27 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:24 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 07:20 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:17 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:
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Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. Who even tracks how much they are in lylo situations. 11/4 really? Is this supposed to convince anybody? In that case: In the last 5 games I have been nkilled 3 times on N1, 1 time on N2 and I was once mafia. Pretty sure my reads were okish during those 4 towngames and on top I was lock town always. So unless you guys are going to attempt to say I am potential mafia. I am a good pick. But I think I like vivax for town mayor. Let mafia waste their RB on him. We might get the RB and then have a fully protected blue role. Pretty awesome. I am not ever going to vote this shitshow mason trash marv/rayn dumbfuck thing. Not ever. I wonder what mafia thinks of a mayor that is jailkeeper tbh. Somewhat frightening for sure. If they have a RB they would be quite happy about it I assume. They are for sure not unhappy. But it HAPPENED. So what is the smartest move now? Make the shitshow rayn mayor? Or an actual blue role. Do you want our bluerole shot on N? Tbh I'd rather see Vivax die in the night than being mayor. At least if I am convinced of a good candidate. out of spite? Vivax is a very capable town player. Not out of spite. But he will not be calm/collected/respected enough to be a helpful presence I fear. Even if we believe the claim. Bad for many reasons On March 05 2024 07:50 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:47 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? The arrogance of the mason buddies knows no limit. Better not question them and just obey. Their disdain for the common man is indeed outrageous. How dare they treat us this way. Weird to even sarcastically agree with this after you already said you liked their town circle On March 06 2024 02:36 justanothertownie wrote:
Would have to PoE at this point. Probably someone in this pool:
Trfel
Jealous
MZ
JS
Hapa
TTS
VE
Slam
Would have to narrow it down somehow. Not meant as an OMGUS here but this is a super easy post for scum to make since he pretty much called out the lukers and slam. Sandroba actually calls this oout On March 06 2024 07:11 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:08 DarthPunk wrote:
Vote: JAT
Talk to me about someone that isn't palmar or vivax. Like what? Trfel is in my POE. Not the worst lynch if it comes to it but I really see no reason to abandon this Palmar lynch right now. Terrible, absolutely no progression of how you actually processed your eliminations to come up with Trfel as your read.
And this one finally takes the cake. What about me voting Trfel is scummy here? He was in my POE and the only candidate who I realistically could switch to. Regardless of my alignment - that is always the play I will do here. There is also nothing weird about "sarcastically agreeing" with Koshi. It should be obvious that this is never a serious post.
It really looks to me like MZ came into the thread, saw 2 townies up for lynch and said to himself "nice, I'll just park my vote on one of them". But then he noticed that might look bad later on and thought "I need to quickly invent something so my vote does not look as disinterested as it actually is".
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On March 06 2024 22:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay JAT give me 5mins to finish my cigarette and lets be town heroes.
Sure, still gotta work at some point though :D
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Oats:
On March 06 2024 09:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
##unvote
##vote jat
into
On March 06 2024 11:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
I wanna give trfel time to play
##unvote
##vote jat
Only talking about other people and not about me during the whole time. Ironically something I can see town do way easier than mafia. Oats just does not give a fuck. He is belligerent and annoying but I think the towniest vote on this wagon.
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On March 06 2024 22:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 22:13 justanothertownie wrote:Oats: On March 06 2024 09:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
##unvote
##vote jat into On March 06 2024 11:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
I wanna give trfel time to play
##unvote
##vote jat Only talking about other people and not about me during the whole time. Ironically something I can see town do way easier than mafia. Oats just does not give a fuck. He is belligerent and annoying but I think the towniest vote on this wagon. Oats is exactly belligerent and annoying as town.
Yes, I know.
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Other wagon(s) will come later. The conclusion from my own is 1 of Rels and Palmar + MZ are likely mafia. Would mean the team was spread out well which is what I expect.
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On March 06 2024 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 22:26 justanothertownie wrote:
Other wagon(s) will come later. The conclusion from my own is 1 of Rels and Palmar + MZ are likely mafia. Would mean the team was spread out well which is what I expect. I dont find it impossible both Rels and Palmar are mafia. What is rels supposed to do at that point when he made that post about Palmar's behavior on marv if mafia? Palmar just says like "you bad", like why doesn't Palmar argue why that shit is bad if he doesnt even think Rels is mafia?
You are correct. I should have written "at least 1" of them again.
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On March 06 2024 22:32 CopCake wrote:
And I got to the conclusion that Palmar is mafia because “DP thinks I am town for the right reasons”
I shared my opinion that a person can do that as mafia, for me it is easier to do that as mafia because you can find all the right reasons easier than town.
Like if that is the only reason Palmar thinks DP is town then…
Besides DP first part of the game was meh, I said before he was lacking bravado and he excused himself for being tired from last game. Yet came at night and did the opposite.
Palmars enthusiastic celebration of that townread was also way over the top btw.
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On March 06 2024 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is your read on DMB, Cake, detailed please?
JAT, how sure you are DMB is town? Why? I know you posted what you did but i don't really see the town there.
Not sure. I just don't think her progression there was particularly scummy. And it's unlikely all mafia were on my wagon tbh.
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On March 05 2024 05:07 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 05:00 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not. that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that. She's saying you are too experienced and dangerous as scum to trust you with that on a D1. that would be another bullshit statement. Uhhhhh thats scum rayn getting mad because newbie ruins his scum major plan. Already love this game. I didn´t write any bs just my opinion why vivax claims and why I wouldn´t vote you as mayor only for lynch but not on D1 maybe on d2
That's still the post in her filter I dislike/feel reminded of her mafia play the most
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But apart from that I don't think her filter looks that bad.
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Btw. I agree with whoever said it that TTS would be a prime vig target.
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On March 06 2024 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How can anyone who is town think Trfel played this game like last game????
Noone, obviously. But I understood it more like she acknowledged that but still did not want to lynch him because he could potentially play like that and she did not think he played like mafia (maybe I am misremembering?). Which now that I think about it could indeed be tmi. Not really feeling it though.
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On March 06 2024 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:06 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 11:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:59 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:51 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 10:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:
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I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... This is a scumslip I don't see it. Reasonable town lynch ie jat is town Is that a stretch though, could be ESL What’s the difficulty? She’s callling the lynch town AND shes on it Can you read? I didn´t say JAT is Town i just said I am not happy with both wagons. Should I waste my vote. Did it in my first game. OPEN YOU EYES AND READ CORRECTLY PLS You literally said that DP is searching for a reasonable town lynch when referring to him talking about his wagon. Lol this is hilarious yeah he changed his vote so often and tried to push people to his new vote decision. Still did I never say that JAT is Town for me just not my prefering lynch and Trfl will defently not get a vote he seems a little bit townisch to me for now And both wagons pushed by the same person scares me even more. I just hate lynch 1. Usless investment of time because we always get it wrong anyways. Lynch 2 is fucking importend. Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:09 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 11:02 Vivax wrote:
You will go back to this game and wonder how I caught Trfel so easily when your moms were still pregnant with you.
The busts of my visage will be available duty free. Did you read the last game with Trfl as a good Townie and compare it do this game. Seems pretty much the same to me. Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:35 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 11:32 Trfel wrote:
Why is die_meatbaby mafia? I really didn't think she was suspicious at all, she seemed far more reasonable than last game. Would be very hesitant to suspect her.
May actually be worth taking another look at Vivax because he should know this. I called dp mafia... I was to lazy to quote and stuff and two sentences wasn´t enough for oats and Dp. I am not happy with both wagons (both pushed by dp) and I still voted one of the two wagons But I shouldn´t because not wasting my vote makes me scummy.
I stand corrected.
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On March 07 2024 00:08 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 00:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 23:59 Vivax wrote:
Rels, MZ, Palmar, Jealous, VE
Cop wants in.
Good working hypothesis? How sure you are of DMB not being mafia, because she looks very mafia to me as well. and why? Not at all. I think she always looks scummy on a surface level but her being so stubborn about DP makes me think town. Its just not worth it to pursue that as scum.
How does it differ from her palmar tunnel last game then?
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On March 07 2024 00:14 iamperfection wrote:
It's like your asking permission to scum read ve
Will you grant it?
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On March 07 2024 00:15 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 22:26 justanothertownie wrote:
Other wagon(s) will come later. The conclusion from my own is 1 of Rels and Palmar + MZ are likely mafia. Would mean the team was spread out well which is what I expect. Terrible analysis
Right...
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On March 07 2024 00:20 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote:
I'm finalizing here.
I like a bunch of mafia in:
rayn
jat
rels
mz
tts
then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy
vivax
trfel
hapa
then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve
iamp
marv
jealous
copcake
slam
ve
and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town
sandro
oats
dp
dmb
jls
koshi
None of the lists are in any particular order
I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever. where is your case on vivax? There's no case I think he's town. I've said multiple times correct play would have been to policy lynch him day 1.
Very helpful. As it was the last time you mentioned it.
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On March 07 2024 00:28 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 00:22 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 00:20 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote:
I'm finalizing here.
I like a bunch of mafia in:
rayn
jat
rels
mz
tts
then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy
vivax
trfel
hapa
then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve
iamp
marv
jealous
copcake
slam
ve
and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town
sandro
oats
dp
dmb
jls
koshi
None of the lists are in any particular order
I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever. where is your case on vivax? There's no case I think he's town. I've said multiple times correct play would have been to policy lynch him day 1. Very helpful. As it was the last time you mentioned it. Last 7 times. I like talking about policy lynches, sue me. Do you find it interesting that rayn is apparently not aware of this stance on Vivax despite me being his #1 lynch target?
Only mildly. You think he would be this careless as mafia rather than town?
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On March 07 2024 00:40 Palmar wrote:
Can someone else chime in here, am I crazy? Didn't everyone else know how I felt about Vivax? At least everyone that had looked into anything I said..
Yes, I knew how you felt about Vivax.
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On March 07 2024 00:43 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 00:42 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 00:40 Palmar wrote:
Can someone else chime in here, am I crazy? Didn't everyone else know how I felt about Vivax? At least everyone that had looked into anything I said.. Yes, I knew how you felt about Vivax. We know :p
:D
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On March 07 2024 01:04 iamperfection wrote:
If you both think each other is mafia why is there all this mucking up the thread with each other.
I say let them fight.
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But I will say everyone who is actually invested in this game right now gets some bonus point from me when compared to the MZs, Rels, VEs & TTS of this world.
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On March 07 2024 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Does anyone else in the game think mafia rayn masoned mafia marv and either had all those discussions in the discord chat or doctored it?
No, but I am not sure that's a helpful avenue right now.
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On March 07 2024 01:09 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 01:04 iamperfection wrote:
If you both think each other is mafia why is there all this mucking up the thread with each other. Quit bitching, the upper class is having a meeting.
Be more respectful toward your betters. Smh
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On March 07 2024 01:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
"Here is a post where there is something for everyone to be happy about"- Palmar
To be honest he would probably characterize all his posts this way.
I get the point though. I also thought it underwhelming.
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On March 07 2024 01:18 Alakaslam wrote:
Cause there is wifom for the mafia team here. A lot of people wanted my lynch, claim or no
Well, that makes me an easier ml than most. But could I actually get a useful check off? Or am I dumb enough to clear people who are already basically cleared and be a nice pocket ml?
So who knows, genuinely
Who wanted your lynch?
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On March 07 2024 01:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 01:07 justanothertownie wrote:
But I will say everyone who is actually invested in this game right now gets some bonus point from me when compared to the MZs, Rels, VEs & TTS of this world. Calling yourself invested is a great joke
Are you caught up or just casually butting in with this gem? Because if you are caught up this post is ridiculous.
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On March 07 2024 01:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
less likely than that i would mason marv as mafia.
Agreed. It's one of the reasons I am not worried about Marv even though he has not been producing towny rainbows yet. The other one is going after palmar.
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On March 07 2024 02:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 01:44 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 01:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 01:07 justanothertownie wrote:
But I will say everyone who is actually invested in this game right now gets some bonus point from me when compared to the MZs, Rels, VEs & TTS of this world. Calling yourself invested is a great joke Are you caught up or just casually butting in with this gem? Because if you are caught up this post is ridiculous. I am trying to read along at work. If you don't like my characterization of your play then do something that doesn't result in you being the #2 lynch target.
Ok, so you admit that you have no idea what I have done today and still felt the need to come in and drop that post. Not a good look.
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Trfel (11): iamperfection, Alakaslam, Justanothertownie, marvellosity, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Vivax, Jealous, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, sandroba
I think this wagon is overall quite towny (both claimants, marv, koshi, iamp, sandro). The only player that really seems suspicious at first glance is VE. There is probably someone else hiding in here but the people on my wagon look markedly worse on average. Which makes sense since they would probably rather be on the townie that doesn't immediately flip.
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On March 07 2024 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am gonna say it now if there is mafia hiding it is DP.
Palmar, VE, Meapak, DMB, maybe Jealous.
If not one of those it's either TTS or DP, and i think afking completely is a shit thing as mafia, so i dont think TTS is mafia.
I think it is equally shitty as town but I know many people see it that way - knowing who your teammates are makes you more likely to not want to harm them for some reason.
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Both of those snapshots also look more town driven than coming from mafia in my opinion:
die_meatbaby (3): Oatsmaster, sandroba, DarthPunk
Palmar (5) : marvellosity, justanothertownie, Alakaslam, sandroba, DarthPunk, Koshi, raynpelikoneet, Trfel
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On March 07 2024 03:12 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 12:37 CopCake wrote:
So my theory is that Tfrel got lynched because mafia big boys are scared of him. He got lynched because of his end of day posts.I was about to swap to JAT and he basically claimed mafia ITT O_o
Who are the mafia big boys who lynched Trfel though?
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On March 07 2024 03:20 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:12 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 12:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 12:37 CopCake wrote:
So my theory is that Tfrel got lynched because mafia big boys are scared of him. He got lynched because of his end of day posts.I was about to swap to JAT and he basically claimed mafia ITT O_o Who are the mafia big boys who lynched Trfel though? My filter is there. Why are you asking me this?
Because I thought you might enlighten me without me having to go to your filter. DP obviously. Who else?
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On March 07 2024 03:22 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 03:21 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:20 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:12 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 12:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 12:37 CopCake wrote:
So my theory is that Tfrel got lynched because mafia big boys are scared of him. He got lynched because of his end of day posts.I was about to swap to JAT and he basically claimed mafia ITT O_o Who are the mafia big boys who lynched Trfel though? My filter is there. Why are you asking me this? Because I thought you might enlighten me without me having to go to your filter. DP obviously. Who else? Iamp, Vivax, Palmar
Ok. Vivax and Iamp pushed that for sure - I just don't think they are very likely to be mafia. Palmar was happy to sit on me through the whole thing. I don't remember him pushing Trfel.
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On March 07 2024 03:27 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote:
This is just random and for post-game purposes.
We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective).
1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question
2) TTS - Complete inactivity
3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia
4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why
But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad. @JAT
This was discussed a lot today. Those are policy lynches. Why Palmar felt the need to talk about this so often is anyones guess but he never actually pushed to go through with those.
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On March 07 2024 03:32 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 03:29 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:27 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote:
This is just random and for post-game purposes.
We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective).
1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question
2) TTS - Complete inactivity
3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia
4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why
But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad. @JAT This was discussed a lot today. Those are policy lynches. Why Palmar felt the need to talk about this so often is anyones guess but he never actually pushed to go through with those. Tfrel reasons to be lynched were atrocious. I dont think he even deserved the Political treatment.
I mean you are right in a way. It is highly debatable if Trfel really should have been part of this list.now that I think of it.
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On March 07 2024 03:34 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 03:30 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 03:29 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 03:06 CopCake wrote:
Marv, I have a question.
If we were playing another game and you have a wagon on you and then I come and say “Hey marv is town because of this and this and this” would you lock me as 100% town? I think you know the answer - no. But if your reasons are good it can help. Context is all important as it could be mafia looking for cred. Because Palmar defends DP for that reason… I don’t know how to go down this rabbit hole haha. It’s natural to think someone defending you is townie. Especially when pressure is high.
You sort of defended me yesterday. I do not think that makes you town at all.
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On March 07 2024 03:37 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 03:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 03:30 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 03:29 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 03:06 CopCake wrote:
Marv, I have a question.
If we were playing another game and you have a wagon on you and then I come and say “Hey marv is town because of this and this and this” would you lock me as 100% town? I think you know the answer - no. But if your reasons are good it can help. Context is all important as it could be mafia looking for cred. Because Palmar defends DP for that reason… I don’t know how to go down this rabbit hole haha. It’s natural to think someone defending you is townie. Especially when pressure is high. You sort of defended me yesterday. I do not think that makes you town at all.
But to get to the actual point - I also think the way how Palmar celebrated that DP post was unwarranted. You think that was genuine?
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On March 07 2024 03:39 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 03:37 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 03:30 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 03:29 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 03:06 CopCake wrote:
Marv, I have a question.
If we were playing another game and you have a wagon on you and then I come and say “Hey marv is town because of this and this and this” would you lock me as 100% town? I think you know the answer - no. But if your reasons are good it can help. Context is all important as it could be mafia looking for cred. Because Palmar defends DP for that reason… I don’t know how to go down this rabbit hole haha. It’s natural to think someone defending you is townie. Especially when pressure is high. You sort of defended me yesterday. I do not think that makes you town at all. Yeah but you’re my prickly little hedgehog and I loves you ❤️
❤️
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On March 07 2024 03:43 Jealous wrote:
So QED CopCake, even if town, is being more of a hindrance than a beneficial force.
The same was true for Vivax yesterday - did you push him for it? And that is only one example.
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On March 07 2024 04:28 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 02:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Trfel (11): iamperfection, Alakaslam, Justanothertownie, marvellosity, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Vivax, Jealous, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, sandroba
I think this wagon is overall quite towny (both claimants, marv, koshi, iamp, sandro). The only player that really seems suspicious at first glance is VE. There is probably someone else hiding in here but the people on my wagon look markedly worse on average. Which makes sense since they would probably rather be on the townie that doesn't immediately flip. Can you explain this part, please?
Well if you are mafia on TvT wagons - on which one would you rather be? The one who gets outed as town immediately or the one who won't bring you under scrutiny until later on? Trfel was always the front runner and mafia prefers to be on the counter wagon.
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Yeah, Palmar and me are clearly on the same team. Makes perfect sense.
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On March 07 2024 05:04 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 05:00 justanothertownie wrote:
Yeah, Palmar and me are clearly on the same team. Makes perfect sense. We'll see what you do tomorrow otherwise you can say this as mafia and so does he. It's all just empty words until you actually want to murder him. And you just shaded marv so, right back at you.
???
None of this makes any sense.
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On March 07 2024 16:50 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 16:48 DarthPunk wrote:
Also 4! Blues dead or outed day two. Pretty severe carry required if oats is town here. This won’t do me any favours but rayn claimed to me in our discord. That’s why we desperately didn’t want Vivax as mayor. We wanted rayn.
Desperately he says. What a fight you put up.
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Good job slam. If that check is real/untempered it helps us a lot because Oats was not on my radar at all.
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Really bizarre that mafia just lets you do it though.
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On March 07 2024 17:15 Palmar wrote:
God I hate rayn so much sometimes.
More respect to your betters. He was townhero.
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On March 07 2024 13:17 Rels wrote:JAT I would really like an answer on this. Not really my defense on the shitty case, but the last part. I don't understand how what you wrote makes it so one of Palmar/me have to be scumShow nested quote +On March 07 2024 11:54 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 21:48 justanothertownie wrote:Rels: On March 06 2024 08:53 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:45 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 08:38 Rels wrote:
If Palmar was the leading wagon or counterwagon to him at the time, I don't see the issue? I can relate to not having the time It's a stark difference to his level last game. He posted a bit at the start of the game, got town read and noped out. But hey, you can vote Jat with me if you want instead, or propose something else. Will try to filter JAT before I have to go I mean you could just go LOL I really have a hard time understanding this: On March 06 2024 08:30 Rels wrote:
"I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it." => then 1 hour later "Wait you still think I'm mafia?"
????? I don't know if there is any explanation you could give that would satisfy me, but, maybe try? He seems very very sure about Palmar being mafia. So that is fine as long as the wagon had steam. After it died town we see this: On March 06 2024 09:02 Rels wrote:
Finished reading JAT's filter, DP anything what was the thing(s) you saw that was not smart? I thought it was pretty empty for sure, didn't see any red flag though. On March 06 2024 09:08 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? Yeah I guess this post from the sandroba case is pretty lackluster Does not seem very strong either way. So I am not entirely sure how we arrive at this: On March 06 2024 09:10 Rels wrote:
Gotta go. I would say out of the options I have, my preference would be Palmar > JAT > random lurker (out of those, I still think TTS has the highest chance of flipping scum)
Still think Trfel is town, I would prefer any random lurker over him But that is finde. What is not fine is that he isn't bothered at all that he is pushing for the same lynch as his top scumread Palmar. So, do we believe Rels just throws all of his conviction out of the window to vote me with his one scumread based on a townread that is at best "weak"? On March 06 2024 08:46 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. The posts that made me think Trfel was townie at the beginning of the game, he showed some conviction: On March 04 2024 13:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 13:11 DarthPunk wrote:
MZ could be mafia here.
That associative push with me/vivax is really out there. And usually I am the one defending him from being misylnched by all the bads. Sorry I keep doing this, but why do you think that makes Meapak_Ziphh mafia? I don't see why that reasoning is more likely to come from mafia, if anything I think it's the opposite. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. Looking at the Slam question on Oats, it's this right? On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote
But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
Am I the only one seeing this or what? Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say. @Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. On March 05 2024 04:47 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:
Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote
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Am I the only one seeing this or what? Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say. @Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. Caring about what exactly? Because if he cares to find actual scum, this pursuit of perfection doesn't seem to be a surefire way to me. He was not far from lynching our cop, for example, for being a bit logically inconsistent- in Oatsmaster's mind. I think Oats may suffer from some difficulty with theory of mind if he is town here, which I could relate to. In which case I would go right back from a growing SR to a TR. I'm not confident enough in my read to be interested in defending Oatsmaster here, it's just the impression I got from his posts, which could be wrong. I will say though that whether or not his play is helpful doesn't matter as much as whether or not he truly thinks it is helpful. I guess it's pretty weak conviction yeah. Don't think it's enough by itself to make him scumread him, let alone be my preferred lynch right now. No issue at all it seems. Leads me to think between Rels and Palmar there is at least 1 mafia. 1 - At the time I voted you, the choice was between Trfel and you, and I somewhat townread Trfel 2 - Not voting you because of an associative reason D1 is dumb. I don't have a team comprising X number of mafia in my head, not at this stage of the game Leads me to think between Rels and Palmar there is at least 1 mafia. ???? Why does anything you wrote there point to this?
Sure, you are right - the last part is not a conclusion of the findings in this post alone. You need to put it into context with the one about palmar I wrote just before this one. I think it is likely, that there is a mafia between you. Like rayn, I wouldn't even rule out that you are both.
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On March 07 2024 12:24 DarthPunk wrote:
ANNOUNCEMENT TOWN
I have been given a Vig shot in the night.
I intend to VIG TTS.
This and the following claim by JSL is power role number 4 that claimed needlessly. Every single one of them. At least rayn only claimed in a mason chat but seriously wtf
Maybe you guys should start playing in Newbies again before you are allowed to play with the big boys.
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On March 07 2024 15:05 Jealous wrote:I didn't like some of MZ's earlier posts. I too wished they had explained their TRs in that most recent list, and an explanation for the CopCake flip would have been great, too. However, I really like this immediate jump on CopCake for being so insistent on grilling Alakaslam. And none of that really changes anything for me for this cycle as of now, so yea, good night.
I disagree completely. Why is it protown to shut down discussion about the claimant and the check? Are we supposed to all just park our vote for 72 hours and go afk? To me what CopCake did here is objectively 100 % the correct way to approach this. It is lazy and not town oriented to go after this.
I think it says more about MZs alignment than CCs but the tendency is exactly the opposite of what you are saying in my opinion. It makes MZ look really bad and CC slightly better.
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I still think Oats is quite towny btw. - also in his reaction to the check. Still 100 % the lynch today but it would not surprise me if he flipped Miller.
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On March 07 2024 22:18 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 20:22 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 13:17 Rels wrote:JAT I would really like an answer on this. Not really my defense on the shitty case, but the last part. I don't understand how what you wrote makes it so one of Palmar/me have to be scumOn March 07 2024 11:54 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 21:48 justanothertownie wrote:Rels: On March 06 2024 08:53 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:45 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 08:38 Rels wrote:
If Palmar was the leading wagon or counterwagon to him at the time, I don't see the issue? I can relate to not having the time It's a stark difference to his level last game. He posted a bit at the start of the game, got town read and noped out. But hey, you can vote Jat with me if you want instead, or propose something else. Will try to filter JAT before I have to go I mean you could just go LOL I really have a hard time understanding this: On March 06 2024 08:30 Rels wrote:
"I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it." => then 1 hour later "Wait you still think I'm mafia?"
????? I don't know if there is any explanation you could give that would satisfy me, but, maybe try? He seems very very sure about Palmar being mafia. So that is fine as long as the wagon had steam. After it died town we see this: On March 06 2024 09:02 Rels wrote:
Finished reading JAT's filter, DP anything what was the thing(s) you saw that was not smart? I thought it was pretty empty for sure, didn't see any red flag though. On March 06 2024 09:08 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? Yeah I guess this post from the sandroba case is pretty lackluster Does not seem very strong either way. So I am not entirely sure how we arrive at this: On March 06 2024 09:10 Rels wrote:
Gotta go. I would say out of the options I have, my preference would be Palmar > JAT > random lurker (out of those, I still think TTS has the highest chance of flipping scum)
Still think Trfel is town, I would prefer any random lurker over him But that is finde. What is not fine is that he isn't bothered at all that he is pushing for the same lynch as his top scumread Palmar. So, do we believe Rels just throws all of his conviction out of the window to vote me with his one scumread based on a townread that is at best "weak"? On March 06 2024 08:46 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. The posts that made me think Trfel was townie at the beginning of the game, he showed some conviction: On March 04 2024 13:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 13:11 DarthPunk wrote:
MZ could be mafia here.
That associative push with me/vivax is really out there. And usually I am the one defending him from being misylnched by all the bads. Sorry I keep doing this, but why do you think that makes Meapak_Ziphh mafia? I don't see why that reasoning is more likely to come from mafia, if anything I think it's the opposite. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. Looking at the Slam question on Oats, it's this right? On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:
Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote
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Am I the only one seeing this or what? Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say. @Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. On March 05 2024 04:47 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:
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So how do you?
He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects.
Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities?
What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. Caring about what exactly? Because if he cares to find actual scum, this pursuit of perfection doesn't seem to be a surefire way to me. He was not far from lynching our cop, for example, for being a bit logically inconsistent- in Oatsmaster's mind. I think Oats may suffer from some difficulty with theory of mind if he is town here, which I could relate to. In which case I would go right back from a growing SR to a TR. I'm not confident enough in my read to be interested in defending Oatsmaster here, it's just the impression I got from his posts, which could be wrong. I will say though that whether or not his play is helpful doesn't matter as much as whether or not he truly thinks it is helpful. I guess it's pretty weak conviction yeah. Don't think it's enough by itself to make him scumread him, let alone be my preferred lynch right now. No issue at all it seems. Leads me to think between Rels and Palmar there is at least 1 mafia. 1 - At the time I voted you, the choice was between Trfel and you, and I somewhat townread Trfel 2 - Not voting you because of an associative reason D1 is dumb. I don't have a team comprising X number of mafia in my head, not at this stage of the game Leads me to think between Rels and Palmar there is at least 1 mafia. ???? Why does anything you wrote there point to this? Sure, you are right - the last part is not a conclusion of the findings in this post alone. You need to put it into context with the one about palmar I wrote just before this one. I think it is likely, that there is a mafia between you. Like rayn, I wouldn't even rule out that you are both. You're saying this but I still don't get it even taking the Palmar case in consideration. It's nothing more than "I scumread Palmar and Rels so there must be one scum between them in my worldview"? Or if it's something, can you summarize it in one sentence?
No, it is not only that (but of course also true). First of all you were very convinced he is mafia. Since I consider you a good player that makes it more likely he is mafia if you are not. Second you had 0 issue to switch with him onto my wagon while being this convinced about him. Which is what triggered rayn so hard. Made the most sense to him if you are both mafia and you were pushing your buddy for a reason you genuinely believe makes him scum but I think you could also do it if he is town and you want your vote to look relevant. Forgetting that you probably should not uncritically follow your #1 mafia read onto his preferred wagon.
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On March 07 2024 22:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 22:49 Vivax wrote:
Slam posted a readslist and survived the night but that could have been rayn‘s doing. It speaks against a fakeclaim mostly.
I don‘t discount one of those to be additional scum KP.
They have 2 kp first 2 nights?
Koshi mafia
Nobody in this game reads the OP. It is known.
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On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him.
What Oats does today is entirely WIFOM if he is mafia.
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On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:
I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check.
^^^
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On March 07 2024 23:15 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 20:45 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 15:05 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 14:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Everyone read post on MZ I didn't like some of MZ's earlier posts. I too wished they had explained their TRs in that most recent list, and an explanation for the CopCake flip would have been great, too. However, I really like this immediate jump on CopCake for being so insistent on grilling Alakaslam. And none of that really changes anything for me for this cycle as of now, so yea, good night. I disagree completely. Why is it protown to shut down discussion about the claimant and the check? Are we supposed to all just park our vote for 72 hours and go afk? To me what CopCake did here is objectively 100 % the correct way to approach this. It is lazy and not town oriented to go after this. I think it says more about MZs alignment than CCs but the tendency is exactly the opposite of what you are saying in my opinion. It makes MZ look really bad and CC slightly better. Because as I see it, there is only one correct answer for how to approach this cycle and lynch, and spending so much effort grilling Slam about it is just trying to sow seeds of chaos for no reason, which only serves to benefit our only scum flip. Thus, the fact that MZ jumped in and tried to shut that shit down looks good on them. I would say that about anyone who did that. MZ really sunk their teeth into it, too - even though they probably didn't have to. Perhaps I am missing something; is there any world you see where we don't lynch Oats? What would need to happen for that to be the case, what would be the town's collective reasoning for that? Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 20:52 justanothertownie wrote:
I still think Oats is quite towny btw. - also in his reaction to the check. Still 100 % the lynch today but it would not surprise me if he flipped Miller. Okay, glad I remembered to keep reading before responding. However, if that is what your opinion is, I guess I don't understand seeing Cop in a favorable light when they claim to not see a world where Slam was scum in the first place but chose to grill Slam anyway. Is this a person who just doesn't understand how the game works at all, or is it just a scummy player doing scummy things yet again? This might be bias, but compare it to how Koshi just did basically the same thing but in a more productive way. I do have to say that I am surprised that he is approaching the topic from this angle at all, but the way he is doing it is way better than just repeating "WHY OATS SLAM?!?" and then looking like you don't understand that there is a small chance that Oats is Miller or Slam is being a madman scum.
Why would mafia approach it from this angle at all? What's the motivation in your opinion? As Marv said - they know they won't derail this lynch.
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On March 07 2024 23:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check. They might or might not depending on the team. But I think grilling slam and sowing doubt on the check is the wrong thing to do this cycle. We could instead be discussing VE or TTS or even yourself and be planning ahead for tomorrow rather than losing this day to what is essentially WIFOM discussion about the check. I think it's easier for scum to just chum up the thread with pointless discussion on whether Slam's check is good or not. Scum don't even have to get Oats out of the check to have a succesful day, just spend it wasting time on pointless discussion rather than other potential scum.
That's fair enough. But also it is not what you said earlier.
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On March 07 2024 23:36 Jealous wrote:Oh wow, by above I mean below because I forgot to copy one quote post into another: Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 23:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check. They might or might not depending on the team. But I think grilling slam and sowing doubt on the check is the wrong thing to do this cycle. We could instead be discussing VE or TTS or even yourself and be planning ahead for tomorrow rather than losing this day to what is essentially WIFOM discussion about the check. I think it's easier for scum to just chum up the thread with pointless discussion on whether Slam's check is good or not. Scum don't even have to get Oats out of the check to have a succesful day, just spend it wasting time on pointless discussion rather than other potential scum. ^ And fill the discussion with more people who are on their side of the WIFOM, which now includes JAT, Koshi, Cop, so that it becomes less clear who is the scum among them.
meh
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On March 07 2024 23:56 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 20:52 justanothertownie wrote:
I still think Oats is quite towny btw. - also in his reaction to the check. Still 100 % the lynch today but it would not surprise me if he flipped Miller. ?? What is this post?
I think it is rather self-explanatory?
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On March 08 2024 00:08 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 00:02 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 23:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 20:52 justanothertownie wrote:
I still think Oats is quite towny btw. - also in his reaction to the check. Still 100 % the lynch today but it would not surprise me if he flipped Miller. ?? What is this post? I think it is rather self-explanatory? Yes I can read? It sounds like you are prepping for my flip
I don't get it.
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On March 08 2024 00:23 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 00:14 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:07 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 23:58 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:I don't want to misrep Oats so I will be limiting to what I consider reads to being their "votes" in this thread and if they ever directly say that someone is scummy/town. Simply "I don't like this (post)" is not enough IMO. In chronological order" + Show Spoiler [Links] +So we have: Town:
Koshi (previously scum voted)*
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Jealous
Meapak_Ziphh
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Alakaslam
Scum:
VE
Jacob
DMB
CopCake
Slam
Vivax
JAT
Koshi*
Also: "I do agree that either both [rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town."
Seem right, @Oats? Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now Jacob more null slam town Updates from Oats' filter since the above reads list:2847: Voted JAT anyway despite townreading him, to give Trfel "time to play." Because of where the votes were, I am not gonna change alignments here, but it should be noted that Oats had JAT as town and Trfel as NA. 3414: "Jsl saying that koshi’s thing was a scumslip but DMB’s thing wasn’t a scumslip is super sus" 3861: "I’m just laughing at the jealous post completely accepting that he’s acting in an anti town manner because of “probability”" <- I don't think this is enough for me to assume they SR me but who knows. 3990: "For claim reactions, I think that the way jealous reacted felt very preplanned and lining up the mislynches, what do you think?" <- This is closer to an accusation IMO.* 4067: "Overall, it just doesn’t seem like mz has natural progressions and is not trying to find mafia" 4013: "If this means that you think slam is cop then yes I agree " So we have: Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Scum:
Meapak_Ziphh
Jealous [?]*
Jacob
VE
DMB
CopCakeAlso: "I do agree that either both [ rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town." @Oatsmaster: Is this updated reads list of yours accurate? What would you change and why? Jacob is town, cop is town, tothestars is mafia. You are null, jat is mafia Updated list: Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Jacob
CopCake
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
marvellosity
ToTheStars
Rels
Jealous
Scum:
JAT
Meapak_Ziphh
Jacob
ToTheStars
VE
DMB
CopCakeCan you elaborate on the above changes? Old positions crossed out, new positions should be accurate. On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
How did you get jat is town from my filter From this, quoted above in response to the original list: Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now Oh that was night wifom, he’s definitely scum Alright. Also found your TTS reasoning above, so we can skip that one. 1. I'm guessing Jacob town because of the role claim, correct? 2. Why is JAT scum? 3. And why is CopCake town? I really don’t like the way he was absolving himself of responsibility on day 1 and sheeping marv wholesale while claiming marv wasn’t a townread for him. Today hes said twice now about the check possibly being altered but he’s seems to have said it just to say it without fully considering what the options are
There are no options, Oats. If you are town you have been very unfortunate. Or slam is mafia, which I think is very unlikely. In each case, the correct play is always to lynch you today.
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On March 08 2024 00:35 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:29 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 00:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:14 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:07 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 23:58 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
[quote]
Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now
Jacob more null slam town Updates from Oats' filter since the above reads list:2847: Voted JAT anyway despite townreading him, to give Trfel "time to play." Because of where the votes were, I am not gonna change alignments here, but it should be noted that Oats had JAT as town and Trfel as NA. 3414: "Jsl saying that koshi’s thing was a scumslip but DMB’s thing wasn’t a scumslip is super sus" 3861: "I’m just laughing at the jealous post completely accepting that he’s acting in an anti town manner because of “probability”" <- I don't think this is enough for me to assume they SR me but who knows. 3990: "For claim reactions, I think that the way jealous reacted felt very preplanned and lining up the mislynches, what do you think?" <- This is closer to an accusation IMO.* 4067: "Overall, it just doesn’t seem like mz has natural progressions and is not trying to find mafia" 4013: "If this means that you think slam is cop then yes I agree " So we have: Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Scum:
Meapak_Ziphh
Jealous [?]*
Jacob
VE
DMB
CopCakeAlso: "I do agree that either both [ rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town." @Oatsmaster: Is this updated reads list of yours accurate? What would you change and why? Jacob is town, cop is town, tothestars is mafia. You are null, jat is mafia Updated list: Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Jacob
CopCake
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
marvellosity
ToTheStars
Rels
Jealous
Scum:
JAT
Meapak_Ziphh
Jacob
ToTheStars
VE
DMB
CopCakeCan you elaborate on the above changes? Old positions crossed out, new positions should be accurate. On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
How did you get jat is town from my filter From this, quoted above in response to the original list: Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now Oh that was night wifom, he’s definitely scum Alright. Also found your TTS reasoning above, so we can skip that one. 1. I'm guessing Jacob town because of the role claim, correct? 2. Why is JAT scum? 3. And why is CopCake town? I really don’t like the way he was absolving himself of responsibility on day 1 and sheeping marv wholesale while claiming marv wasn’t a townread for him. Today hes said twice now about the check possibly being altered but he’s seems to have said it just to say it without fully considering what the options are There are no options, Oats. If you are town you have been very unfortunate. Or slam is mafia, which I think is very unlikely. In each case, the correct play is always to lynch you today. The correct play is to lynch mafia. The man makes a good point.
Such smart
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On March 08 2024 02:28 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 02:24 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 02:23 Koshi wrote:
If you want my opinion:
rayn: because ve and or Palmar are mafia. I think mafia wouldn't kill rayn over marv if it wasnt the reads. Marv has way more pull in the thread. (Supertinfoil. Cuz marv is mafia and rayn claimed to him)
I forgot thz second kill lol. I am going insane. You need to consider Mafia either didnt believe Slam´s claim or were more afraid of Rayn / Sandro Yeah. Why not shoot slam. Would mafia have known rayn was blue? Because that would make it less likely slam also is blue? But then marv is mafia.
That's the tricky part. Sandro and rayn are both solid shots on their own. I agree rayn either because of his reads or because Marv is mafia (doubtful). Sandro had a very strong position since he was backed by Marv almost unconditionally.
But why would they ever let the claimed cop live? Not even role blocking him?
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On March 08 2024 02:36 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 02:31 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 02:28 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 02:24 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 02:23 Koshi wrote:
If you want my opinion:
rayn: because ve and or Palmar are mafia. I think mafia wouldn't kill rayn over marv if it wasnt the reads. Marv has way more pull in the thread. (Supertinfoil. Cuz marv is mafia and rayn claimed to him)
I forgot thz second kill lol. I am going insane. You need to consider Mafia either didnt believe Slam´s claim or were more afraid of Rayn / Sandro Yeah. Why not shoot slam. Would mafia have known rayn was blue? Because that would make it less likely slam also is blue? But then marv is mafia. That's the tricky part. Sandro and rayn are both solid shots on their own. I agree rayn either because of his reads or because Marv is mafia (doubtful). Sandro had a very strong position since he was backed by Marv almost unconditionally. But why would they ever let the claimed cop live? Not even role blocking him? This is the tricky thing. I think mafia is pretty narcissistic and do not consider Slam dangerous. It makes a bit of sense since I would assume Slam would visit Rayn, me or marv. @Slam: I am correct in that? Who would you have visited?
What do you mean would have visited? He DID visit somebody... and it would have to be a pretty stupid mafia team since it really doesn't matter who is getting the checks.
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On March 08 2024 05:30 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 11:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
A few things:
Slam, Vivax will work out by themselves. Caliin them mafia is completely useless.
Lynch Palmar, lynch VE. After D3 there is noone left to do that anymore and people AGAIN let them slide bewcause noone listen to dead people. Rayn protected Slam. A (first letter of post) = doctor and his target was the first person he mentioned.
So, mafia could have tried to shoot slam if they have a vigilante. That could be the missing piece then.
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On March 08 2024 05:40 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 05:36 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 05:30 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 11:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
A few things:
Slam, Vivax will work out by themselves. Caliin them mafia is completely useless.
Lynch Palmar, lynch VE. After D3 there is noone left to do that anymore and people AGAIN let them slide bewcause noone listen to dead people. Rayn protected Slam. A (first letter of post) = doctor and his target was the first person he mentioned. So, mafia could have tried to shoot slam if they have a vigilante. That could be the missing piece then. Really just thinking of every possibility except me being town, even things MORE unlikely than me being town
What does that have to do with you being anything? And how did I not think of the possibility of you being town? Are you drunk?
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On March 08 2024 05:44 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 05:41 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 05:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 05:36 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 05:30 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 11:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
A few things:
Slam, Vivax will work out by themselves. Caliin them mafia is completely useless.
Lynch Palmar, lynch VE. After D3 there is noone left to do that anymore and people AGAIN let them slide bewcause noone listen to dead people. Rayn protected Slam. A (first letter of post) = doctor and his target was the first person he mentioned. So, mafia could have tried to shoot slam if they have a vigilante. That could be the missing piece then. Really just thinking of every possibility except me being town, even things MORE unlikely than me being town What does that have to do with you being anything? And how did I not think of the possibility of you being town? Are you drunk? You think it’s more likely that mafia had 3 kp n1 instead of framing me?
I feel like losing brain cells entertaining you. Why wouldn't they have 3 kp? Mafia vigilante is a role in the OP.
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On March 08 2024 05:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
You are bending over backwards, behind and every which way to avoid calling me town jat even though you clearly think so, ridiculous
I literally called you towny. That was the last thing I said about your alignment.
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On March 08 2024 05:54 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 05:50 DarthPunk wrote:
Marv do you think palmar is mafia still or has that changed for you? I really don’t know. His first posts were so mafia to me. But then he made a bunch of tonal posts I liked. And sandro liked him more and more. Basically Im deferring everything until it’s necessary. I know that’s a sucky answer Basically if I was obsing this game and palmar was about to flip, I’m not sure I’d have an expectation.
That does sound like you just don't want him to be mafia tbh.
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On March 08 2024 05:56 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 05:49 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 05:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
You are bending over backwards, behind and every which way to avoid calling me town jat even though you clearly think so, ridiculous I literally called you towny. That was the last thing I said about your alignment. So why are you trying to kill me??
I am letting you have a guess before answering.
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On March 08 2024 05:56 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 05:48 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 05:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 05:41 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 05:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 05:36 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 05:30 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 11:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
A few things:
Slam, Vivax will work out by themselves. Caliin them mafia is completely useless.
Lynch Palmar, lynch VE. After D3 there is noone left to do that anymore and people AGAIN let them slide bewcause noone listen to dead people. Rayn protected Slam. A (first letter of post) = doctor and his target was the first person he mentioned. So, mafia could have tried to shoot slam if they have a vigilante. That could be the missing piece then. Really just thinking of every possibility except me being town, even things MORE unlikely than me being town What does that have to do with you being anything? And how did I not think of the possibility of you being town? Are you drunk? You think it’s more likely that mafia had 3 kp n1 instead of framing me? I feel like losing brain cells entertaining you. Why wouldn't they have 3 kp? Mafia vigilante is a role in the OP. Why wouldn’t they have a framer? Mafia framer is a role in the OP
Sure, but if they have a vigilante the chance of them using it n1 is extremely high. The chance of the potential framer targeting you is extremely low.
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On March 08 2024 06:02 DarthPunk wrote:
I would trust Sandros read on palmar over Rayn if you are a sheeple.
And why would that be?
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On March 08 2024 06:08 DarthPunk wrote:
And lastly because I also think palmar is town and I trust myself most of all 😛
Like last game - never change.
I am not convinced.
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On March 08 2024 06:08 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 06:01 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 05:59 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 05:57 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 05:54 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2024 05:50 DarthPunk wrote:
Marv do you think palmar is mafia still or has that changed for you? I really don’t know. His first posts were so mafia to me. But then he made a bunch of tonal posts I liked. And sandro liked him more and more. Basically Im deferring everything until it’s necessary. I know that’s a sucky answer Basically if I was obsing this game and palmar was about to flip, I’m not sure I’d have an expectation. That does sound like you just don't want him to be mafia tbh. Wtf? That sounds like he is not sure?? What about that sounds like he doesn’t want him to be mafia . This comes off as quite manipulative ngl. Care to respond to this?
What do you want me to say to this? Do you really believe I would think I can influence marvs read on Palmar as mafia? That's ridiculous.
I think Palmar is one of the scummier people around and usually marv should be able to tell if he isn't at this point.
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On March 08 2024 06:20 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 06:13 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 06:08 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 06:01 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 05:59 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 05:57 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 05:54 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2024 05:50 DarthPunk wrote:
Marv do you think palmar is mafia still or has that changed for you? I really don’t know. His first posts were so mafia to me. But then he made a bunch of tonal posts I liked. And sandro liked him more and more. Basically Im deferring everything until it’s necessary. I know that’s a sucky answer Basically if I was obsing this game and palmar was about to flip, I’m not sure I’d have an expectation. That does sound like you just don't want him to be mafia tbh. Wtf? That sounds like he is not sure?? What about that sounds like he doesn’t want him to be mafia . This comes off as quite manipulative ngl. Care to respond to this? What do you want me to say to this? Do you really believe I would think I can influence marvs read on Palmar as mafia? That's ridiculous. I think Palmar is one of the scummier people around and usually marv should be able to tell if he isn't at this point. Who else is mafia then aside from ve and palmar in your world?
Well, oats apparently. Rels & MZ are further candidates. I think I would even rank VE below them since he is just being useless and a bit too emoish while they have been actively scummy.
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On March 08 2024 06:29 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 06:27 Koshi wrote:
I still think we shouldnt lynch Oats.
Rels/MZ/VE maybe Palmar are all better lynches.
They didnt care during night. Dont care now.
MZ just tried to be relevant today dancing with me but it isnt real scumhunting.
I also havent done anything but you know... most think I am town because I am pretty townie overall.
Rels
MZ
VE
Jacob
Palmar Why ignore tts
True. Forgot him. He can be mafia as well.
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On March 08 2024 09:55 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 09:49 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2024 09:48 CopCake wrote:
I mean blocking vivax is wild, unless they assumed that vivax would protect slam 🤔 Why is it wild? sandro and I and maybe rayn too both discussed jk is stronger than cop. Mafia marv has two options - block rayn - block vivax Both of them (at least rayn) decides to protect slam. Therefore mafia knows not to waste kills there. So either rayn or vivax got blocked (duh) over slam. But why not block slam if rayn or vivax would protect slam anyways? (In mafia marvs perspective) I think this kinda clears marv? I mean that would be the best mafia play. Block slam because he would be protected anyways and you know rayn would waste his doc on him and vivax would JK block/ slam So the one who got blocked was vivax and no rayn! Marv is town by night actions. Please correct me if I am wrong.
I don't think that is true. Rayn posted his action right before deadline in the thread. Until when does the mason work? Only dayphase, right? So marv probably did not know what he was going to do in time to adjust the night actions. Unless marv is lying about the code and rayn already told him during the day but I find that hard to believe.
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I generally think marv wouldn't put on a show about revealing this code. Regardless of his alignment he probably found out when he told us.
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On March 08 2024 09:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 09:52 iamperfection wrote:On March 08 2024 09:49 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2024 09:48 CopCake wrote:
I mean blocking vivax is wild, unless they assumed that vivax would protect slam 🤔 Why is it wild? sandro and I and maybe rayn too both discussed jk is stronger than cop. We should have pushed harder for Rayn. May have been game losing not to to be honest. We just didn’t think it was possible.
This was a very predictable result though. My conscience is clean.
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On March 08 2024 12:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 12:26 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 12:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 08 2024 12:06 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2024 12:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 08 2024 07:43 Vivax wrote:
Marv is mafia, anyway.
He should be here dumping everything they discussed before his masons got killed, and taking control and he isn‘t doing either.
I‘d lynch him before Oats.
##Vote marvellosity How serious are you about this vote? I think 4 mafia were on Trfel now. Marv can wait My vote is on jat. What has pushed JAT ahead of Marv in your eyes? I finally did a decent read of JAT and I think I know why youve got some of the reads the way they are i dont think you're 100% right but I might be understanding someo f your thought process Could you elaborate with examples please? Helps me TR people when people say more than "this is what I believe now because of stuff." Listing quotes and links and stuff. I know you did this before, and this take can use some of that IMO. Ok easy, first I have to read it under the assumptions vivax has which is that oats is town. Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 20:52 justanothertownie wrote:
I still think Oats is quite towny btw. - also in his reaction to the check. Still 100 % the lynch today but it would not surprise me if he flipped Miller. This kinda stuff now reads like TMI if you assume oats is town. Thinks hes town but still wants to lynch him oh and by the way he might be the miller. Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 05:49 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 05:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
You are bending over backwards, behind and every which way to avoid calling me town jat even though you clearly think so, ridiculous I literally called you towny. That was the last thing I said about your alignment. Again, someone who's not going to be surprised if oats flips town when I first read through these didn't stand out very much, but looking again and trying to think what vivax might be thinkinng I can see where these would stand out. Of course I could be totally off base which is why I asked vivax to explain, I just wanna understand where hes coming from.
Maybe you can explain to me the benefit of what I said there as mafia if oats really flips Miller.
Will people go "yay, JAT knew it all along! what a good townie!"? Do you think I would believe that?
It's good that MZ has started playing. Not sure I like what I am seeing though. There is a lot of unwarranted anger at potentially derailing the Oats wagon when that is not happening at all - it seems that anger is expected of him as town (? - I do not really remember his meta) but it still is a bit over the top for me. And 99 % of what he posts is about exactly that. Really easy content tbh.
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On March 08 2024 11:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
The egos people have in this game to sit here and try to talk around probability is absurd. Someone doing it is scum.
On March 08 2024 11:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
look vivax Im ngl, oats has made posts that if he made them 48 hours ago Id def townread him too, but I don't think Im better at reading the game than the probability of events that had to occur for him to somehow be checked wrong. Like I do get why you don't wanna lynch him but its still the right move.
lol
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On March 07 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 10:42 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
But trying to become mayor as mafia is very risky and stupid. Even I understand that.
So does that mean that all of the following have to be town? Vivax (13), raynpelikoneet (3), Oatsmaster (1), Koshi (1) On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Town dp would feel attacked if you call him mafia and would names reasons why he is not.
Mafia dp plays it of cool, that you don't see the fear of being discovered.
Maybe this is a DP thing, or maybe I'm different from most, or maybe I'm just stupid... But how much evidence can DP have to name reasons for why he is not mafia when we're what, 16 hours into D1? Maybe the volume they put out... but still, let's have a thought experiment: What arguments would you have for your own innocence at this point in the game? On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Regardless of what I think about cake, but it seems to me that he picks weaker players to annoy until they make a mistake because of beeing annoyd and then he can push the wagon that comes up.
I made an error out the gate (not catching that Alakaslam cop-claimed) and I didn't get my head bit off for it by anyone. It was corrected and we kept it moving. So, I think this point is overblown. If you're not scum, "mistakes" don't magically make you scum, IMO. The mistake itself has to be AI. On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
He waits hours but no body jumps on a cake wagon or he already sees that that wagon will not be successful. So he need to get someelse, but thats good for his record, because Town DP change often his vote just usually with good reasons.
If it wasn't his meta already then I could see this being potentially being true/AI, but because you say that it is his meta... I don't get your point here? On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Thats the only Post I like. He should play a little bit and then we lynch Ve because thats a vote for active Town
Please clarify your logic here, too. That does not mean that this people are Town for me. It has something to do with my experience of DP's personality. Sorry if I didn´t make that clear. What arguments would you have for your own innocence at this point in the game? Regardless of my aligment I would not start a fight with dp without having do!!!
As mafia I would not do that. That would take the fun away as I had in the last game trying to lynch Palmar As Town I just to it because I don´t have something more importend in my head. And the Ve post is good He doesn´t really want to play anymore because we always lynch him early. Compassion would be the best description
DMB, can you explain the bolded part again for me? I am not sure I am following.
From what I saw last game the dumbtelling in the thread could really be something dmb would be excited to do as mafia.
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To explain - what I am seeing is that you say you wouldn't do the exact same thing you did last game as mafia this time. But I don't understand why.
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On March 08 2024 19:27 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 19:17 DarthPunk wrote:
to be honest I am not happy that you all just hand wave away cake being mafia for subjective perceptions of meta, when she lived for far too long incorrectly the game before. Like part of your argument is that she wouldn't go against me as mafia except she did that her previous scum game and it worked.
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Smart man. Didn't see that in between.
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Oh, you are talking about CC. For some reason I thought it was about dmb.
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On March 08 2024 20:04 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 16:45 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2024 10:54 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 10:43 CopCake wrote:
DP, you have a gun.
Just Vig shot me. You know I will be RB Why did you claim exactly? I never caught up with some of the thread. I have a vig shot from the gunsmith and I plan to shoot TTS at some point, maybe tonight maybe not. Maybe I shoot cake instead who knows who I will shoot. Maybe I got saved again by vivax>? Maybe I don't shoot at all
That's not really and answer as to why though, is it?
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On March 08 2024 20:26 DarthPunk wrote:Can anyone explain to me why if JAT was mafia, he would not vote for Town!trfel after I put pressure on him and a counter wagon was forming on him day 1 Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:08 DarthPunk wrote:
Vote: JAT
Talk to me about someone that isn't palmar or vivax. Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:50 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 07:43 justanothertownie wrote:
I will go to bed in like 10-15 minutes. It is really a shame that marv is not around and playing. Move your vote, or I will lynch you. Feel free to try. Sure Unvote:
Vote: JAT Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:51 DarthPunk wrote:
ATTENTION TOWNIES
We are now lynching JAT, adjust your votes accordingly. Cause the only explanation I can come up with is that JAT did that because he is Town and a stubborn bastard.
You seem quite optimistic about your own influence on the lynches.
The obvious reason why I did not switch is that I would have preferred a palmar lynch if Marv had been scum reading him still.
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On March 08 2024 20:32 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 20:31 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 20:26 DarthPunk wrote:Can anyone explain to me why if JAT was mafia, he would not vote for Town!trfel after I put pressure on him and a counter wagon was forming on him day 1 On March 06 2024 07:08 DarthPunk wrote:
Vote: JAT
Talk to me about someone that isn't palmar or vivax. On March 06 2024 07:50 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 07:43 justanothertownie wrote:
I will go to bed in like 10-15 minutes. It is really a shame that marv is not around and playing. Move your vote, or I will lynch you. Feel free to try. Sure Unvote:
Vote: JAT On March 06 2024 07:51 DarthPunk wrote:
ATTENTION TOWNIES
We are now lynching JAT, adjust your votes accordingly. Cause the only explanation I can come up with is that JAT did that because he is Town and a stubborn bastard. You seem quite optimistic about your own influence on the lynches.The obvious reason why I did not switch is that I would have preferred a palmar lynch if Marv had been scum reading him still. Well I should be. they tend to go my way. Is that last part for mafia!jat?
No, the last part is what happened. If Marv is willing to lynch palmar on day1 that has a very high likelihood of success for town. When that was off the table Trfel was the only option left. Pure self-preservation. Even though I will not claim I thought he was towny - at the time he was in my poe after all.
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On March 08 2024 20:36 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 20:35 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 20:32 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 20:31 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 20:26 DarthPunk wrote:Can anyone explain to me why if JAT was mafia, he would not vote for Town!trfel after I put pressure on him and a counter wagon was forming on him day 1 On March 06 2024 07:08 DarthPunk wrote:
Vote: JAT
Talk to me about someone that isn't palmar or vivax. On March 06 2024 07:50 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 07:43 justanothertownie wrote:
I will go to bed in like 10-15 minutes. It is really a shame that marv is not around and playing. Move your vote, or I will lynch you. Feel free to try. Sure Unvote:
Vote: JAT On March 06 2024 07:51 DarthPunk wrote:
ATTENTION TOWNIES
We are now lynching JAT, adjust your votes accordingly. Cause the only explanation I can come up with is that JAT did that because he is Town and a stubborn bastard. You seem quite optimistic about your own influence on the lynches.The obvious reason why I did not switch is that I would have preferred a palmar lynch if Marv had been scum reading him still. Well I should be. they tend to go my way. Is that last part for mafia!jat? No, the last part is what happened. If Marv is willing to lynch palmar on day1 that has a very high likelihood of success for town. When that was off the table Trfel was the only option left. Pure self-preservation. Even though I will not claim I thought he was towny - at the time he was in my poe after all. Ok why the fuck are you arguing with me about what you were doing is what you were doing as town, when that was the whole point of my post I just made about you?
I am not arguing with you. Just clarifying for people who read this. As of now, you have done quite well today in my opinion. I think I'll have to have a closer look at your CC stuff later on. She did not really stand out to me as particularly scummy so far. But I have 0 meta experience with her. At least I don't remember playing with her.
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On March 08 2024 20:53 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 19:21 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 09:55 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 09:49 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2024 09:48 CopCake wrote:
I mean blocking vivax is wild, unless they assumed that vivax would protect slam 🤔 Why is it wild? sandro and I and maybe rayn too both discussed jk is stronger than cop. Mafia marv has two options - block rayn - block vivax Both of them (at least rayn) decides to protect slam. Therefore mafia knows not to waste kills there. So either rayn or vivax got blocked (duh) over slam. But why not block slam if rayn or vivax would protect slam anyways? (In mafia marvs perspective) I think this kinda clears marv? I mean that would be the best mafia play. Block slam because he would be protected anyways and you know rayn would waste his doc on him and vivax would JK block/ slam So the one who got blocked was vivax and no rayn! Marv is town by night actions. Please correct me if I am wrong. I don't think that is true. Rayn posted his action right before deadline in the thread. Until when does the mason work? Only dayphase, right? So marv probably did not know what he was going to do in time to adjust the night actions. Unless marv is lying about the code and rayn already told him during the day but I find that hard to believe. Lasts day and night phase
Ok. I still think my logic is valid though.
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I am sure dp has friends who can fake these certificates. Wouldn't believe it.
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On March 08 2024 19:36 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 11:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
The egos people have in this game to sit here and try to talk around probability is absurd. Someone doing it is scum. Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 11:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
look vivax Im ngl, oats has made posts that if he made them 48 hours ago Id def townread him too, but I don't think Im better at reading the game than the probability of events that had to occur for him to somehow be checked wrong. Like I do get why you don't wanna lynch him but its still the right move.
lol
I was thinking about this a bit. Would. Mafia MZ lack the self-awareness to be this much of a hypocrite?
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On March 08 2024 21:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 21:14 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 19:36 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 11:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
The egos people have in this game to sit here and try to talk around probability is absurd. Someone doing it is scum. On March 08 2024 11:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
look vivax Im ngl, oats has made posts that if he made them 48 hours ago Id def townread him too, but I don't think Im better at reading the game than the probability of events that had to occur for him to somehow be checked wrong. Like I do get why you don't wanna lynch him but its still the right move.
lol I was thinking about this a bit. Would. Mafia MZ lack the self-awareness to be this much of a hypocrite? Reads a little as a town case tbh. Think he’d be more careful.
That's what I meant.
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On March 08 2024 22:11 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.
So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.
If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.
You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread. CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1. She could also be pretending to be traitor while you are the traitor tbh
Sounds like a very productive discussion in the making.
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On March 08 2024 22:19 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hmm so I took a gander through dmbs filter and I actually don’t see much mafia motivation there at this point. I can see what she was trying to say d1 now near the lynch and it makes sense with her not having 2 great candidates to pick Oh no. nope. No. Don't do that to me. At this point you know you can’t change the lynch. If you flip mafia it would looked better for me, because you didn't stop voting me even like after nk and slam calling out his announcement about you, you just post #votedmb. And now you know you getting lynched and we will see that you are scum. You changing your mind about me so it looked like it was M vs M here. Why me? Could you not do that shit do somebody else?
Can you please answer this:
On March 08 2024 19:44 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 07 2024 10:42 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
But trying to become mayor as mafia is very risky and stupid. Even I understand that.
So does that mean that all of the following have to be town? Vivax (13), raynpelikoneet (3), Oatsmaster (1), Koshi (1) On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Town dp would feel attacked if you call him mafia and would names reasons why he is not.
Mafia dp plays it of cool, that you don't see the fear of being discovered.
Maybe this is a DP thing, or maybe I'm different from most, or maybe I'm just stupid... But how much evidence can DP have to name reasons for why he is not mafia when we're what, 16 hours into D1? Maybe the volume they put out... but still, let's have a thought experiment: What arguments would you have for your own innocence at this point in the game? On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Regardless of what I think about cake, but it seems to me that he picks weaker players to annoy until they make a mistake because of beeing annoyd and then he can push the wagon that comes up.
I made an error out the gate (not catching that Alakaslam cop-claimed) and I didn't get my head bit off for it by anyone. It was corrected and we kept it moving. So, I think this point is overblown. If you're not scum, "mistakes" don't magically make you scum, IMO. The mistake itself has to be AI. On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
He waits hours but no body jumps on a cake wagon or he already sees that that wagon will not be successful. So he need to get someelse, but thats good for his record, because Town DP change often his vote just usually with good reasons.
If it wasn't his meta already then I could see this being potentially being true/AI, but because you say that it is his meta... I don't get your point here? On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Thats the only Post I like. He should play a little bit and then we lynch Ve because thats a vote for active Town
Please clarify your logic here, too. That does not mean that this people are Town for me. It has something to do with my experience of DP's personality. Sorry if I didn´t make that clear. What arguments would you have for your own innocence at this point in the game? Regardless of my aligment I would not start a fight with dp without having do!!!
As mafia I would not do that. That would take the fun away as I had in the last game trying to lynch Palmar As Town I just to it because I don´t have something more importend in my head. And the Ve post is good He doesn´t really want to play anymore because we always lynch him early. Compassion would be the best description DMB, can you explain the bolded part again for me? I am not sure I am following.
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On March 09 2024 02:54 Palmar wrote:
Yeah im absolutely abusing the fact this day is a foregone conclusion.
May be around a little later tonight.
Good thing you told us. I wouldn't have noticed.
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On March 09 2024 03:25 Koshi wrote:
Not sure why we are not voting VE and lynching our townread.
He is next at this rate.
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On March 09 2024 03:36 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 03:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I mean I personally don’t think we need to wait to tmr to lynch VE Tomorrow we lynch Slam obviously.
Yeah? Did you frame oats?
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On March 09 2024 07:56 Palmar wrote:
Anyway, good night boys
good night big boy, I cannot wait for more low-effort hot takes coming from you tomorrow
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On March 09 2024 07:59 Koshi wrote:
Copcake mafia would explain the rayn kill I guess.
As would Palmar & VE.
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On March 09 2024 08:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I don't think his reads have evolved beyond what little he was around for D1
Yep. Really, really lazy. Which is of course not really mafia indicative on its own in his case but man its weak.
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On March 09 2024 08:00 Koshi wrote:
Also me being alive.
If cc and Oats are mafia I am basically playing for the mafia team.
Add in that I prevented a blue rayn from being Mayor.
Ohboi
Wasn't that an accomplishment of your dear leader? What was your part in this travesty?
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On March 09 2024 08:08 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 08:04 justanothertownie wrote:On March 09 2024 08:00 Koshi wrote:
Also me being alive.
If cc and Oats are mafia I am basically playing for the mafia team.
Add in that I prevented a blue rayn from being Mayor.
Ohboi Wasn't that an accomplishment of your dear leader? What was your part in this travesty? I feel bad about being mean to rayn.
He will live. There have been many people who were mean to rayn. And even more people who rayn was mean to. At least he is canonized as townhero already.
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On March 09 2024 08:28 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 07:32 Palmar wrote:
Like I think you've done everything right if you're town Oats, and if you're mafia massive kudos for wool stuff. I am NEVER lynching you here without a red check.
I'll stick around for a little bit while doing other stuff, but I'm just not confident enough in my reads to actually move somewhere else. I think. he says this and then votes VE ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
You must understand. VEs recent play has changed his read on him dramatically.
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On March 09 2024 09:15 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Everyone down to be sub optimal let's go for Palmer lynch
Don't tempt me.
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I will go to bed now. The wagons are quite close right now so please be reasonable. Even if VE is mafia we still need to lynch oats. You are only postponing it if we are not doing it today and then people will again take this as an excuse not to play for a full dayphase.
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On March 09 2024 09:36 iamperfection wrote:
can we get a vote count
I think it is like 8:6 Oats:VE now
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On March 09 2024 09:37 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 08:00 justanothertownie wrote:On March 09 2024 07:59 Koshi wrote:
Copcake mafia would explain the rayn kill I guess. As would Palmar & VE. Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 08:32 justanothertownie wrote:On March 09 2024 08:28 iamperfection wrote:On March 09 2024 07:32 Palmar wrote:
Like I think you've done everything right if you're town Oats, and if you're mafia massive kudos for wool stuff. I am NEVER lynching you here without a red check.
I'll stick around for a little bit while doing other stuff, but I'm just not confident enough in my reads to actually move somewhere else. I think. he says this and then votes VE ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? You must understand. VEs recent play has changed his read on him dramatically. He thinks VE and Palmar are teamed first and then he plays interpreter for Palmar to defend him from iamp. lmao
whoosh
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On March 09 2024 18:24 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 18:19 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 09 2024 18:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
I only bus when I'm around to actually soak up that sweet town cred, push the wagon, call people dumb/mafia for disagreeing with me. I don't point at a teammate and then fuck off, you can ask literally anyone who has been mafia with me. That's not how I play as the role mafia. So like, good luck to anyone who wants to lynch me - yes, I've been inactive but I've done pro-town things and my mafia meta is ironclad here. Okay so did you catch up? What are your current reads on those voting for you? Some must be town Man I haven't read shit are you kidding me? I went on a date with my new gf and forgot all about the internet and its denizens until I opened Chrome and TL was a suggestion and I was like :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO So no I don't have any reads on anyone who was voting for me, off the cuff, I think they're all of them mafia. Every single one. Because Oats was a framer with a claimed cop in the game and they wanted to save him, I was a viable target because I hadn't posted shit after promising to do so, and if whoever (I guess Vivax probably? He had the strongest tr on me when I left anyway) hadn't probably saved me then I'd be a dead townie and you'd still not know what's going on with Oats. The mafia wanted to save oats and kill me D2, that was the agenda. Lynch right down the line and if the game doesn't end then you'll probably already know who is next by then.
At least have a look into the vote thread man. That's not asking too much.
Spoiler: Vivax wanted to müder you.
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Sometimes I hate phoneposting
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Yeah. That was not a towny stint.
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Rels posted some very obvious things after the flip and peaced. Not impressed.
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On March 09 2024 16:45 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 16:41 Palmar wrote:On March 09 2024 16:38 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 06:18 Palmar wrote:
I read like 2 posts of Oats and he's scummy Palmar, this was right near the start. What had pinged you? Genuinely curious here. It was the fact he said he wanted to be mayor. But then never really did anything to convince people he should be. Instead all his following posts were stupid questions and passive posts. I then let his reasonableness in the face of dumbassery on part of other people convince me he was town. Yep okay. I think I need to stop being a pussy and just call you town. I am really struggling to see the world you drop the suspicion on him like that as his buddy. It’s just you seeing something and saying it. I didn’t get it at the time, but obvs I am just had
That is really not convincing to me so I have to hope that it is just a longer list of tone things I don't understand that leads you to your read. Because I cannot see it. Unless you are wifoming mafia here but I think you would not do that anyways.
urgh
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I guess I will just blame Marv if palmar is mafia. We should just lynch VE next.
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So, I just waded through Oats' filter until the start of the last dayphase. Everything after the check was claimed I don't think is even worth reading at this point. There are a few interesting things in there:
Mafia dumbtelling is a thing :D
On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor
I think mainly his interactions with dmb, copcake and jealous are interesting. Especially copcake since a significant part of his filter is discussing things with her but he never really seems to try and put a read on her:
A few examples of a lot of posts:
On March 04 2024 15:36 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 15:29 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 15:19 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 15:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 15:14 CopCake wrote:
🤭 This is so funny Cake who would you lynch right now and who would you make mayor right now? I would lynch you in a heartbeat - when I arrived you didn't try to engage me until way later (i ignored your question to see how you would react to that and there was like literally not opinion of it when the last game we played we did the opposite) - you are generally a thread control person and you are confident of your reads, here you wait for the opinion of rayn just to tell him later he is wrong and cant read you? With a little bit of bragginess - Now you think Oats is right at reading me suspicious because ??????? He has like no idea how I play. I also do not think you are trying to solve the game. Cake why did I have to ask you for a read before you stated all this? You asked me for reads before and I ignored them, in porpouse. And I go to office soon and I have a meeting. And a lot of work since I was on vacation. So next time I will post will be in 10 hours or so. And since I consider you might be mafia trying to hold on the thin - read - of oats to do something against me, I decided to act. What exactly is “how you play” What is your read on me then?
On March 05 2024 04:49 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:30 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:27 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 04:20 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:07 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:06 iamperfection wrote:
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He didn't have any real pressure on him though Does this not strengthen Koshi's point? No how so. Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax? This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor. If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor. Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Thank you, at least someone gets it. How is this useful on the first day, tho? I can understand third day but first? Town loses everything, and an important role, I dont want to sound mean but you fucked up in such a way that there are no words and I didnt find it funny. Like I am TOTALLY opposed of a mayor wanting to kill, like that is stupid, no matter how "capable" the player is, how "blue" is. It is a shot in the dark pretty much, and that helps mafia. If there is a mayor, and the mayor kills on first and second day, I will pretty much never consider that person town. Unless a rolecop have a check or something mechanical supports a person is mafia. Why wouldn't a mayor not just treat it as a vig shot I don't understand? I think day vig shots are stupid, there is more chance of hiting town than mafia. Day vig is a really strong town role lmao what kinda take is this??
On March 06 2024 01:22 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 01:20 CopCake wrote:
Like, I want to rule out that vivax is not mafia with two big names. And your plan is to ask 2 people who haven’t posted in the last 24 hours?
On March 06 2024 01:31 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 01:29 CopCake wrote:
Like, I dont understand why is it so bad to question Vivax claim.
I have the right to do it if I wanted to.
Okay so outside of the claim, how is vivax mafia
On March 06 2024 01:46 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 01:45 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 01:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:40 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 01:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:29 CopCake wrote:
Like, I dont understand why is it so bad to question Vivax claim.
I have the right to do it if I wanted to.
Okay so outside of the claim, how is vivax mafia The claim itself is just stupid, how he wants tfrel dead considering the last game, I dont think he is scumhunting His reads On March 05 2024 23:13 Vivax wrote:
I think rayn has a decent chance to flip mafia by the way.
Cop says he can't be because he'd be angrier but there's nothing that says he isn't simply more restrained in this game.
I'm moving cop out of the mafia pool just because of what Koshi said about her and good intentions. I still think she was struggling back then and took way too long to join the chorus calling my claim awful.
Iamperfection has dropped off a lot and looks a lot like Oats at this point. I just don't see any motivation to find the right lynch here. Erratic play. I believe Oats still didn't deliver an estimation of marv and Sandroba like I asked.
I don't want to lynch Palmar. I think marv is doing jack shit, and he didn't try to run for mayor for it. The Palmar vote was his first meaningful contribution, and everyone treated it like some high priest tossed a piece of metal from a pyramid and they went wild chasing it while screeching like a bunch of teenies at a rock concert.
I also think marv is kinda avoidant of DP and I know that marv has to fear DP if he's mafia. Him masoning Sandoba over DP is bad and might explain DPs lower effort.
MZ, Rels reasonable and pro-town all around but also a bit synthetic and lacking emotion for now. Not on the table for D1 I think and they have shown that they know what it takes to not lose to a casino.
DMB I think town. I liked most of the placements in her list and she had a golden opportunity to fall into her meta of antagonizing me just for fun and blending in with others doing so. I don't think she'd want a JK as mayor as mafia either.
That's about it for now. Otherwise:
Hapa joined discord and didn't post at all so I think it's due we make him the main secondary wagon that I can kill but I also need town's consent for it. Jealous works too, just make it visible please. and an hour later On March 06 2024 00:10 Vivax wrote:
Slam, iamp, TTS, Hapa
Man this game is easy read progressions are not ok Out of curiosity, have you played with vivax before? And secondly, have you read the game you linked earlier? Yeah, I have played with Vivax and yeah, that is why I said Tfrel MVP there. So with what you linked, how is that not typical vivax? He literally does that that’s vivax
On March 06 2024 02:02 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 01:49 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 01:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:45 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 01:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:40 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 01:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:29 CopCake wrote:
Like, I dont understand why is it so bad to question Vivax claim.
I have the right to do it if I wanted to.
Okay so outside of the claim, how is vivax mafia The claim itself is just stupid, how he wants tfrel dead considering the last game, I dont think he is scumhunting His reads On March 05 2024 23:13 Vivax wrote:
I think rayn has a decent chance to flip mafia by the way.
Cop says he can't be because he'd be angrier but there's nothing that says he isn't simply more restrained in this game.
I'm moving cop out of the mafia pool just because of what Koshi said about her and good intentions. I still think she was struggling back then and took way too long to join the chorus calling my claim awful.
Iamperfection has dropped off a lot and looks a lot like Oats at this point. I just don't see any motivation to find the right lynch here. Erratic play. I believe Oats still didn't deliver an estimation of marv and Sandroba like I asked.
I don't want to lynch Palmar. I think marv is doing jack shit, and he didn't try to run for mayor for it. The Palmar vote was his first meaningful contribution, and everyone treated it like some high priest tossed a piece of metal from a pyramid and they went wild chasing it while screeching like a bunch of teenies at a rock concert.
I also think marv is kinda avoidant of DP and I know that marv has to fear DP if he's mafia. Him masoning Sandoba over DP is bad and might explain DPs lower effort.
MZ, Rels reasonable and pro-town all around but also a bit synthetic and lacking emotion for now. Not on the table for D1 I think and they have shown that they know what it takes to not lose to a casino.
DMB I think town. I liked most of the placements in her list and she had a golden opportunity to fall into her meta of antagonizing me just for fun and blending in with others doing so. I don't think she'd want a JK as mayor as mafia either.
That's about it for now. Otherwise:
Hapa joined discord and didn't post at all so I think it's due we make him the main secondary wagon that I can kill but I also need town's consent for it. Jealous works too, just make it visible please. and an hour later On March 06 2024 00:10 Vivax wrote:
Slam, iamp, TTS, Hapa
Man this game is easy read progressions are not ok Out of curiosity, have you played with vivax before? And secondly, have you read the game you linked earlier? Yeah, I have played with Vivax and yeah, that is why I said Tfrel MVP there. So with what you linked, how is that not typical vivax? He literally does that that’s vivax I do not understand his claim, when he knows he might suffer the danger of getting misslynched anyways because the claim is just so bad to be true. Which makes me believe that he could be mafia with at least two big names. I want to rule out that probability, as easy as that. Yes you said this already. The question I’m asking is if you think he’s mafia then there has to be things other than the claim that he’s doing that’s scummy
On March 06 2024 02:58 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 02:55 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 02:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 02:44 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 02:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
@cake so if I’m understanding what you are saying, you think trefel is mafia with vivax then? Why else would he, in your perspective, not want to start a wagon on trefel No, I dont understand why is not voting his scum read. He claims because he doesnt want to start a wagon of someone who wont get lynched. But he starts one on you so I guess he thinks you are more lynchable. What’s the mafia motivation? I don’t see the link He is talking a lot of “why are you white knighting Tfrel”, “I think Tfrel is mafia” “I wont vote Tfrel coz to lazy to start a wagon of someone who wont be lynched” but started a wagon on you Oats. Yes you’ve literally described the situation 5 times but failed to mention how that makes him mafia
Lots of interaction, very little conclusion. Could see this being mafia/mafia.
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DMB:
He is attacking her a lot. The question is - is it distancing or is that the townie he decided to push?
On March 06 2024 10:29 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:26 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:03 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2024 10:00 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 01:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:16 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 05 2024 20:02 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about. OatsmasterBoth initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this: On March 04 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
I’m running for mayor Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing. On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
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You don’t seem to even want to be mayor There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor". It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything. VisceraEyesPart of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read. But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him. Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good. On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game. I have zero interest in lynching VE today. DMBSo I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point. On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:
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Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game. She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though. But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed. Sorry for not having you in my list post. You had like one page on you Filter. You came in the game after like 60 Pages or something. You posted some good one liners that i actually liked. Especially that one that either people should vote Vivax for mayjor or for lynch. That one made think a litte bit about the other players here. I understand that people think the claim is a scum move but why do they not lynch him when they are not voting him as mayjor either?Still it was to less posting from you to make any kind of opinions on your aligment. I can just say I was not suspicious about your few posts just kinda liked them. Atm you are more likely Town for me, but beware, this can change quickly Out of all the posts in the past like 12 hours DMB chooses this one to respond to, fence sits and doesn’t apply any of the bolded section to her list post earlier so where does that thinking even come out? Normaly i have day off, but somebody is sick and I had to come in fast. Didn't have much time to read. Btw list Was requested by rels. No answer from him atm So what have you learned from the bolded section? I have already used a translator 3 times, which means I have learnt 3 new words in English But for real I think the lynch is goeing in a wrong direction so what are you going to do? I don´t know, but I will not vote for Trfl right now. I don´t see any majorly scum shit at his filter. He plays like in the last game and he was actually doeing amzing as Town last game. So I would not like to loss him if he is Town. Actually I would like to vote on DP because he seems more scummy for me in this game, but that would be a usless vote... Vote: Justanothertownie So is this just a poe not trfel so jat? Or what is this?
Ironic, since he never even gave a reason to vote me.
On March 06 2024 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... This is a scumslip
On March 06 2024 11:01 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:59 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:51 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 10:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... This is a scumslip I don't see it. Reasonable town lynch ie jat is town Is that a stretch though, could be ESL What’s the difficulty? She’s callling the lynch town AND shes on it Can you read? I didn´t say JAT is Town i just said I am not happy with both wagons. Should I waste my vote. Did it in my first game. OPEN YOU EYES AND READ CORRECTLY PLS You literally said that DP is searching for a reasonable town lynch when referring to him talking about his wagon. Lol this is hilarious
How likely is it that oats thought this was a genuine slip (he knows dmb is mafia and I am town) and that is why he went after that and ignored the supposed Koshi slip? If my memory of his play is correct pushing his buddy like that would be a 100 % Oats thing to do. Same with the general accusation of tmi:
On March 07 2024 12:01 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Regardless of what I think about cake, but it seems to me that he picks weaker players to annoy until they make a mistake because of beeing annoyd and then he can push the wagon that comes up. Why he didn´t do that do players like Koshi, marv or rayn. They wouldn´t fear Dp.
This is so Tmi it’s crazy, she knows that these players are town or what??
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Forgot this post in the Cake post:
On March 05 2024 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 10:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 05 2024 10:40 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway here’s where I’m at
Town: koshi, iamp, rayn
Mafia: VE, jacob, If my push on you is contrived why don't you have an opinion on my alginment? I’m really not putting my effort into figuring you out day 1 tbh, it’s a lost cause for me What's your read on cake? I think her thing about the town circle thing feels forced but I’ve got bigger fish to fry, I’ll look at her more later today
Talks about her all day. But he has bigger fish to fry.
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On March 09 2024 22:13 Vivax wrote:
It‘a a hard choice who to protect.
I‘d just make a big enough basement and put you all in there if I could like is tradition in Austria.
Ouch
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Now that I review the posts to Jealous that I had tabs open for I realize they aren't actually that interesting. Some small things that could be interpreted positively for a world were Palmar is town though:
On March 06 2024 01:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
I’m trying to wrap my head around this Palmar push by marv and what it means for marvs alignment.
I think Palmar has been way more townie this last like 5 pages and that only seems to solidify marvs read
On March 07 2024 01:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
This Palmar rayn thing is boring
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On March 09 2024 18:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
I won't darken the thread again except to meet the activity requirements and vote. Good luck gentlemen and ladies and everything in between.
You think leaving someone like this alive is a good idea? Really?
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On March 09 2024 22:40 Vivax wrote:
I just consider it possible that VE is playing against wincon as either alignment to annoy us. Reading Oats should tell me more.
It won't. There is very little about VE in there until the check was claimed. Only this:
On March 04 2024 14:44 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord. Why lurker
Which is... meh
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On March 09 2024 22:47 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 22:43 justanothertownie wrote:On March 09 2024 22:40 Vivax wrote:
I just consider it possible that VE is playing against wincon as either alignment to annoy us. Reading Oats should tell me more. It won't. There is very little about VE in there until the check was claimed. Only this: On March 04 2024 14:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord. Why lurker Which is... meh I‘m curious about what you think of DP.
He is all over the place. In a good way. I would be very impressed if he can produce this kind of filter as mafia. Probably at least one of us will die in the night before we reach a point in time where I would consider lynching him so it is not really worth thinking about it.
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[QUOTE]On March 09 2024 23:31 marvellosity wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 09 2024 23:27 iamperfection wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 09 2024 23:24 marvellosity wrote:
This isn’t a democracy[/QUOTE]
I'll give you one for sure then you give me one. TTS[/QUOTE]
I think these people are town
DP
Vivax
Jealous
Palmar
Cc
Jsl
Iamp
Koshi
Slam
Poe is the rest. But tbh I would be shocked if all the above are town. [/QUOTED]
Are you caught up by now? Gotta say that people like CC, Iamp, Jealous and even Koshi at this point appearing here while I don't is starting to annoy me.
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On March 09 2024 23:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 23:27 iamperfection wrote:On March 09 2024 23:24 marvellosity wrote:
This isn’t a democracy I'll give you one for sure then you give me one. TTS I think these people are town DP Vivax Jealous Palmar Cc Jsl Iamp Koshi Slam Poe is the rest. But tbh I would be shocked if all the above are town.
Are you caught up by now? Gotta say that people like CC, Iamp, Jealous and even Koshi at this point appearing here while I don't is starting to annoy me.
*fixed
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On March 09 2024 23:38 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 23:37 justanothertownie wrote:On March 09 2024 23:31 marvellosity wrote:On March 09 2024 23:27 iamperfection wrote:On March 09 2024 23:24 marvellosity wrote:
This isn’t a democracy I'll give you one for sure then you give me one. TTS I think these people are town DP Vivax Jealous Palmar Cc Jsl Iamp Koshi Slam Poe is the rest. But tbh I would be shocked if all the above are town. Are you caught up by now? Gotta say that people like CC, Iamp, Jealous and even Koshi at this point appearing here while I don't is starting to annoy me. *fixed It’s because I have a very healthy dose of respect for your mafia game, Jat. It’s literally a compliment.
I guess... still annoying.
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Yeah, what is the point? Does he really think he can save oats? Depends a bit on VEs alignment tbh.
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If VE is mafia what MZ is doing just makes no sense to me. Good reason to still do it of course.
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On March 10 2024 01:00 Vivax wrote:
Marv only you can kill jat here if he‘s mafia.
If you die tonight the window closes can you finish the coffin during the night if you think he is scum ?
wat
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You guys made this dude mayor. And I was criticized for fighting that.
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On March 10 2024 01:16 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 01:14 justanothertownie wrote:
You guys made this dude mayor. And I was criticized for fighting that. That‘s probably the only type of contribution you‘ve been able to deliver all game. Just nonstop bitching.
At this point statements like this are ridiculous btw.
Not the bitching - thats fine. But I have contributed a fair amount.
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I was the only one analyzing wagons and vote motivations day 1. I was the first to go through oats filter. I urged you jubjubs to go through with lynching the redcheck. etc. etc.
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On March 10 2024 01:21 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 01:20 justanothertownie wrote:On March 10 2024 01:16 Vivax wrote:On March 10 2024 01:14 justanothertownie wrote:
You guys made this dude mayor. And I was criticized for fighting that. That‘s probably the only type of contribution you‘ve been able to deliver all game. Just nonstop bitching. At this point statements like this are ridiculous btw. Not the bitching - thats fine. But I have contributed a fair amount. You brought this up again for no reason it‘s your filter pump
I don't need to pump my filter. It's just great to be right and tell people they have been idiots.
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On March 10 2024 01:25 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 01:23 justanothertownie wrote:On March 10 2024 01:21 Vivax wrote:On March 10 2024 01:20 justanothertownie wrote:On March 10 2024 01:16 Vivax wrote:On March 10 2024 01:14 justanothertownie wrote:
You guys made this dude mayor. And I was criticized for fighting that. That‘s probably the only type of contribution you‘ve been able to deliver all game. Just nonstop bitching. At this point statements like this are ridiculous btw. Not the bitching - thats fine. But I have contributed a fair amount. You brought this up again for no reason it‘s your filter pump I don't need to pump my filter. It's just great to be right and tell people they have been idiots. Then save it for postgame when you know if that will have been the case otherwise it‘a just show
I will bring it up whenever I feel like it. Now you should probably engage your so.
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Hmm, or when she is done working I guess.
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On March 10 2024 01:43 Vivax wrote:
Imagine if every fifth post of mine was calling Hapa terrible for not playing and getting eliminated, but at least it ends with a :p
I don‘t even want to imagine the mindset behind it
If it bothers you so much we can indeed save it for postgame. Deal?
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But then you also don't come back to this topic.
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On March 10 2024 01:48 marvellosity wrote:
Let’s all just hold hands and murder VE
Alright.
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On March 10 2024 02:08 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 02:06 marvellosity wrote:On March 10 2024 02:05 iamperfection wrote:On March 10 2024 01:59 marvellosity wrote:
My guess
Jsl gun DP
Rayn medic slam
Slam check oats
Mafia kill rayn, sandro
Mafia rb Vivax
Mafia vigilante slam roleblock framer and vig? Yes. 4 mafia is a little light numbers wise. And town have good roles. That sounds exactly right to me im gonna bitch slap you there is 5 mafia.
lol, it is never going to stop
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Let's say we are not lynching the counterwagon to a flipped mafia. Who does your brain propose as an alternative?
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On March 10 2024 08:27 Palmar wrote:Did you repent and call me town hero?
Best I can do is half of that. But I'll let you choose which.
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On March 10 2024 08:33 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 08:31 DarthPunk wrote:On March 10 2024 08:30 Palmar wrote:
I mean. And tell sober Palmar that he’s lying if he evert tries to dispute this.
The only reason I think Ve may be mafia is because he isn’t having enough fun with me. You think he is town? No but only because lack of fun. I have like IQ of 73 and not smart enough to think harder
I will save this quote if you don't mind
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On March 10 2024 08:34 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 08:34 justanothertownie wrote:On March 10 2024 08:33 Palmar wrote:On March 10 2024 08:31 DarthPunk wrote:On March 10 2024 08:30 Palmar wrote:
I mean. And tell sober Palmar that he’s lying if he evert tries to dispute this.
The only reason I think Ve may be mafia is because he isn’t having enough fun with me. You think he is town? No but only because lack of fun. I have like IQ of 73 and not smart enough to think harder I will save this quote if you don't mind Makes you mad that 73 outdoes you? Idk.
Terribly mad, yes.
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On March 10 2024 08:38 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 08:16 Palmar wrote:
Bros irl I’m important business man an I just been doing important business dinner. Now I am important business drunk if anyone wants to exploit this I very rarely drink. But tonight I drank. Fun times marv
lol, I hope in a little more moderation than Palmar
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On March 10 2024 08:39 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 08:36 justanothertownie wrote:On March 10 2024 08:34 Palmar wrote:On March 10 2024 08:34 justanothertownie wrote:On March 10 2024 08:33 Palmar wrote:On March 10 2024 08:31 DarthPunk wrote:On March 10 2024 08:30 Palmar wrote:
I mean. And tell sober Palmar that he’s lying if he evert tries to dispute this.
The only reason I think Ve may be mafia is because he isn’t having enough fun with me. You think he is town? No but only because lack of fun. I have like IQ of 73 and not smart enough to think harder I will save this quote if you don't mind Makes you mad that 73 outdoes you? Idk. Terribly mad, yes. Is ok. Most people who spend hours on forum game very low IQ. Some other people use us as fun science experiment
I would like to see the results of that experiment tbh. Seen my fair share of scientific papers and most are really boring.
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On March 10 2024 08:45 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 08:36 Palmar wrote:
Like it’s like total 15 lines of me being a petulant asshole and him scolding me for it. I literally can’t get over this right now
You cannot be surprised though :D
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On March 10 2024 08:48 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 08:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 10 2024 08:46 iamperfection wrote:
what % would you put palmar at for your town read 90! That’s pretty high But is it enough to not lynch him with a red check?
The math says borderline so clearly 50:50.
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On March 10 2024 08:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 08:51 marvellosity wrote:On March 10 2024 08:49 justanothertownie wrote:On March 10 2024 08:48 DarthPunk wrote:On March 10 2024 08:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 10 2024 08:46 iamperfection wrote:
what % would you put palmar at for your town read 90! That’s pretty high But is it enough to not lynch him with a red check? The math says borderline so clearly 50:50. 100% 50:50 90% Strong maths game Good math.
Yes, I know. Did I tell you that I am a scientist?
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On March 10 2024 13:45 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 12:17 iamperfection wrote:On March 10 2024 12:16 Jealous wrote:
So just to be clear, Vivax JK's Slam, and slam dies anyway, but so does marv. That means that there were two shots on Slam, one to break JK and one to kill. I am a bit tipsy and I want to make sure I understand this correctly. or just a roleblock on vivax which i think is likely I agree this is most likely. ##Vote: CopCake/salute
ewww
On March 10 2024 15:34 DarthPunk wrote:
It's crazy that oats has a 20 page filter as mafia day 2 and there is basically zero spew.
I think there is. Did you not read what I said about cake/dmb? But yeah, oats performance was sublime.
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Let's make mafia decide/justify their votes between the 2.
##Vote: VisceraEyes
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Good job dp btw. if Rels is right and we literally gained a mislynch this game should be easily winnable now. Rip marv & slam. You did well.
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Yeah, gotta admit that at least dp would probably not have gotten this shot off otherwise.
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Alternative to whom? You are on VE so I take it you disagree with the CC wagon?
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On March 10 2024 20:58 Palmar wrote:
And until jat calls me town hero he can be mafia too. Out of spite.
Seems we are at an impasse.
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VE is as closed to claimed scum as you can get without actually doing so. So yeah, I for once agree with Vivax.
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On March 11 2024 02:35 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 02:29 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 02:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 01:53 Vivax wrote:
I‘m going to vote VE for sure after he smugly hinted at being rber in the post I quoted On March 11 2024 00:03 Vivax wrote:On March 10 2024 13:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 10 2024 12:17 iamperfection wrote:On March 10 2024 12:16 Jealous wrote:
So just to be clear, Vivax JK's Slam, and slam dies anyway, but so does marv. That means that there were two shots on Slam, one to break JK and one to kill. I am a bit tipsy and I want to make sure I understand this correctly. or just a roleblock on vivax which i think is likely I agree this is most likely. ##Vote: CopCake/salute ##Vote: VE This one? The jealous post with double shot/breaking JK is obvious nonsense imo. Doesn‘t work like that mechanically unless he meant strongarm. VE doesn‘t realize that and just corrects him with roleblock being most likely. well and having any awareness of whats going on when VE is "afk" is suspect as well.
Yeah, on one hand you don't know who voted you on the other you explain mafias night actions.
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On March 11 2024 02:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 02:35 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 02:29 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 02:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 01:53 Vivax wrote:
I‘m going to vote VE for sure after he smugly hinted at being rber in the post I quoted On March 11 2024 00:03 Vivax wrote:On March 10 2024 13:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 10 2024 12:17 iamperfection wrote:On March 10 2024 12:16 Jealous wrote:
So just to be clear, Vivax JK's Slam, and slam dies anyway, but so does marv. That means that there were two shots on Slam, one to break JK and one to kill. I am a bit tipsy and I want to make sure I understand this correctly. or just a roleblock on vivax which i think is likely I agree this is most likely. ##Vote: CopCake/salute ##Vote: VE This one? The jealous post with double shot/breaking JK is obvious nonsense imo. Doesn‘t work like that mechanically unless he meant strongarm. VE doesn‘t realize that and just corrects him with roleblock being most likely. well and having any awareness of whats going on when VE is "afk" is suspect as well. If Oats really was the "best" player on the team as has been speculated, VE could have also just deliberately AFK'd to try and create a more attractive counter wagon.
That doesn't make the redcheck go away though. So the logic kinda falls apart.
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On March 11 2024 04:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 04:19 Koshi wrote:
Sandroba spent a decent amount of posts calling me mafia, Oats town and copcake mafia.
If we disregard those, not that much is left except that list I quoted earlier.
So VE+Rels is mafia. If Rels is Mafia, which of me/DMB is town? You're kinda all over the place rn.
I don't see the point in trying to adjust your reads to fit a whole team at this point. There are still 3 mafia. Concentrate on catching them 1 by 1.
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On March 11 2024 04:40 CopCake wrote:
Btw if my opinion is somehow important, I think Rels is town.
Seriously doubt he would use his daughter as an excuse to be afk :/
Why would that be alignment indicative? The obvious thing to do is to assume that what he said is true regardless of his alignment.
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You wouldn't tell if there were out of the game reason preventing you from spending a lot of time as mafia but as town you would? That does not make any sense to me.
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On March 11 2024 04:52 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 04:46 justanothertownie wrote:
You wouldn't tell if there were out of the game reason preventing you from spending a lot of time as mafia but as town you would? That does not make any sense to me. I try not to use irl excuses stuff in games, specially as mafia.
I get that. It just does not make sense to differentiate between alignments. I mean we are not talking about him making it up. Carry on I guess. I don't think this makes him town.
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On March 11 2024 20:20 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 17:38 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 16:54 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 10:33 Vivax wrote:
DP alive D3 warrants a better look from any competent town player.
And I think he's scum then a bunch of townies show up and make me wanna omgus them. DP never dies early. DP was not a target above others who have died. I do not understand why DP was not roleblocked. Maybe they thought he would shoot town cc. Maybe they thought they had to get 2 kills so you had to be rb. Hmm that makes sense. Or town DMB Not just me The only reason the didnt block town DP is if his pool was full of town Mafia made a mistake. Who knows why. They fucked up
This is really fucking stupid.
They could not rb dp without risking Vivax either saving slam or even blocking their shot directly if he used the JK offensively. Dp being left to shoot confirms absolutely nothing.
Cake. We are lynching ve right now and not you. Please put the night action logic aside and just give us some reads that are independent from that if you are town.
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On March 11 2024 20:22 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 20:22 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 11 2024 20:12 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 06:47 Palmar wrote:
Btw the wagon on me is so bad.
marv is probably just mafia
jat has literally no reason to think I am, and is probably mafia anyway.
Trfel has literally no reason to think I am
Slam is slam
Koshi has thought I am mafia every game for 10+ years. I think he just enjoys murdering me.
The only standout is DP Wow, the wagon on me on day 1 was so pure :D Koshi and jat haven't flipped how do you know it was pure? It's a jab at jat, specifically He did vote me without having any reason to do so.
Did it hurt your big business man feelings?
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Rels looks a lot better right now. Gonna finish catching up when I left work.
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On March 11 2024 20:08 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 19:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
First up we have Koshi. At first I had a townread on him for his activity, in spite of saying dumb things like Oats is town. D2 he drops off considerably though, and reacts really strangely to the Oats check. Like, there's confirmation bias, and there's trying desperately to save a mafia teammate. I think we witnessed the second one on Koshi's D2. The smart play there is to lynch the check. Koshi is a smart player. That's what cops are for, to check people you think you trust to find out if you can or not. Not just that, but his TR wasn't even that strong on Oats D1, he kept saying he had to go "reread" Oats to "see if he locked in on someone" or some meta bullshit. He never did that, but continued to scream about not lynching him, the mafia Framer. In that light, the fact that he's both "too confused about the state of the game to make any real reads" and "So certain of our path forward that I don't even have to try anymore" rings massive alarm bells for me.
Verdict: Mafia Koshi
Next up is.....omg it's our esteemed mayor. Please let there be less than 20 pages. Tbf if you want to call Koshi mafia just say that he thinks I'm town. Town Koshi never thinks I'm town. Ever. But I've decided to ignore that for now.
I had a similar thought tbh.
Out of a million games where we were both town koshi was calling me mafia in all of them except maybe 1. Since day1 he has also become quite agreeable. I am missing the zeal. This was supposed to be the full koshi experience.
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On March 11 2024 20:52 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 20:24 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2024 20:20 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 17:38 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 16:54 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 10:33 Vivax wrote:
DP alive D3 warrants a better look from any competent town player.
And I think he's scum then a bunch of townies show up and make me wanna omgus them. DP never dies early. DP was not a target above others who have died. I do not understand why DP was not roleblocked. Maybe they thought he would shoot town cc. Maybe they thought they had to get 2 kills so you had to be rb. Hmm that makes sense. Or town DMB Not just me The only reason the didnt block town DP is if his pool was full of town Mafia made a mistake. Who knows why. They fucked up This is really fucking stupid. They could not rb dp without risking Vivax either saving slam or even blocking their shot directly if he used the JK offensively. Dp being left to shoot confirms absolutely nothing. Cake. We are lynching ve right now and not you. Please put the night action logic aside and just give us some reads that are independent from that if you are town. Dont be mad. I know you guys discussed it at lenght in scumqt but you should have let Vivax protect slam, shoot and rb dp and shoot marv.
If I am mad then it is because you jubjubs wasted several pages of posts with this which I have to read :p
Great subject to talk about at length without the possibility to ever come to a conclusion since it all relies on wifom anyways.
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On March 11 2024 20:49 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 20:24 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2024 20:20 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 17:38 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 16:54 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 10:33 Vivax wrote:
DP alive D3 warrants a better look from any competent town player.
And I think he's scum then a bunch of townies show up and make me wanna omgus them. DP never dies early. DP was not a target above others who have died. I do not understand why DP was not roleblocked. Maybe they thought he would shoot town cc. Maybe they thought they had to get 2 kills so you had to be rb. Hmm that makes sense. Or town DMB Not just me The only reason the didnt block town DP is if his pool was full of town Mafia made a mistake. Who knows why. They fucked up This is really fucking stupid. They could not rb dp without risking Vivax either saving slam or even blocking their shot directly if he used the JK offensively. Dp being left to shoot confirms absolutely nothing. Cake. We are lynching ve right now and not you. Please put the night action logic aside and just give us some reads that are independent from that if you are town. I said Rels Mind if you glance as his posts? He called me town with the perspective of his experience of being mafia with me in chezinu streak mafia and also called me mafia from the same experience.
I will later today. Gotta admit that I liked his posts today so far though.
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That I will read his posts later I mean. Not that he looks better :D
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On March 12 2024 00:00 Palmar wrote:
But, koshi could not have known I would pussy out of calling Oats mafia, and there was absolutely some serious push towards Oats getting lynched on day 1. This includes Vivax the mayor talking about it. The chances of Koshi making that towncase on Oats as a fellow mafia member is pretty low.
What are you talking about? Oats was never seriously pushed in this game before slam claimed his check. Vivax talks about a lot of stuff - am I supposed to think dp is in danger to be lynched today? Because our mayor said he is mafia.
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On March 12 2024 01:50 CopCake wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong
The fact Oats voted JAT makes him town, no?
Not 100 % from your pov but yeah, I was in serious danger of being lynched there. That would have been a very unnecessary bus if I was mafia with him.
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On March 12 2024 01:57 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 01:55 iamperfection wrote:On March 12 2024 01:51 Vivax wrote:On March 12 2024 01:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 12 2024 01:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 00:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 14:53 ToTheStars wrote:
Read pages 8/9/10 only
Vote: trfel Terrible post, care to explain this read? On March 05 2024 01:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 20:50 Vivax wrote:
Well for TTS it‘s an easy explanation: He also didn‘t like Trfel‘s posts. Do you agree with the reasons he didn't like it? I get where he's coming from since he's a new player but I'm not sure what you see wrong with it? I made a horrible list with TTS + Oats town at this point in the game and explained why I put TTS as town and look at what MZ replied. He just backed off his attack with this post: On March 05 2024 01:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads. OK this is fair in my eyes, TL towns are very chatty and if you come from somewhere that's not I could believe this position. And read my post as if I was seeing something wrong with him when it was the opposite so that's indication of TMI because he was expecting me to scumread him. That last response is reasonable no? No he misread it as me wanting to scumread TTS for it when I was giving him a townread for scumreading Trfel. He must've thought TTS looked scummy and that I was pointing it out when I was doing the opposite so imo it gave MZ away by replying like that. He's responding directly to tts Read the second quote again he's asking me what I see wrong with it. Unless he misquoted me. JAT also sees it as worth posting to beg for a townread because a flipped mafia voted for him but not much else. It's meaningless, and he was still 5 votes away at least.
Pretty sure I was not 5 votes away when Oats voted me. But I will doublecheck when I am home.
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On March 12 2024 02:00 CopCake wrote:
JAT what do you think of your wagon?
If there were mafia besidess oats who could it be?
Have you played a lot with marv/vivax/rayn/etc?
I have already analyzed that on night 1 maybe I can update that later - definitely was wrong on oats. I have played a lot with all of them, yes.
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On March 12 2024 02:11 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 02:10 CopCake wrote:On March 12 2024 02:08 Vivax wrote:On March 12 2024 02:05 CopCake wrote:
At some point the list looked like this
Trfel (8): iamperfection, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, Justanothertownie, Vivax, marvellosity, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Vivax, Jealous
Justanothertownie (5): sandroba, Palmar, DarthPunk, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Vivax, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, Trfel, Rels
Then MZ and Oats added the votes to JAT making it 8 to Tfrel and 7 to JAT
That would have put JAT in danger. Where did you pull that list it looks wrong in all aspects. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621825-a-classy-vote-thread?page=5#97Post #97 After that you can see from the voting thread that Oats and MZ went to vote JAT What's the point? Do you have strong reason to believe that JAT and MZ are both town?
What so you mean what's the point? These votes are literally one of the very few solid pieces of evidence we have at this point. Assuming VE is mafia.
Also interesting for palmar to call a wagon with Oats, his mafia read MZ and people like Rels & dmb pure.
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Maybe dumb rather than interesting.
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On March 12 2024 02:28 Vivax wrote:Does it look like Oats switched to JAT because he was scumreading JAT?
Oats was mafia. He was not reading anyone anything. And no, he never even gave a reasoning to scumread me. Usually if people bus they add good reasons to look better afterwards and finding reasons to scum read your partners is always easy. They don't just throw their vote on there.
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On March 12 2024 02:41 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 02:33 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2024 02:28 Vivax wrote:On March 12 2024 02:26 CopCake wrote:
I honestly do not understand?
Does it look like Oats switched to JAT because he was scumreading JAT? Oats was mafia. He was not reading anyone anything. And no, he never even gave a reasoning to scumread me. Usually if people bus they add good reasons to look better afterwards and finding reasons to scum read your partners is always easy. They don't just throw their vote on there. It'd help if it was visible what your current opinion of VE, Copcake, MZ is.
Phone posting at work currently. I will tell you where I am at when I am at my laptop.
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On March 12 2024 03:04 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 03:00 CopCake wrote:
Idk
Like confirmed mafia oats votes mafia JAT when his confirmed scumbuddy TTS is getting grilled.
Why risk losing Mafia JAT when Oats could have parked the vote on DMB or Tfrel?
To win town cred?
That's a more sensible point when you drop all the role nonsense. But it's hard to say maybe he saw that trfel was getting lynched no matter what so why not jump somewhere else to avoid the mislynch wagon mafia or not.
True, but makes even more sense with a TvT wagon situation.
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On March 12 2024 03:15 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 03:12 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2024 03:04 iamperfection wrote:On March 12 2024 03:00 CopCake wrote:
Idk
Like confirmed mafia oats votes mafia JAT when his confirmed scumbuddy TTS is getting grilled.
Why risk losing Mafia JAT when Oats could have parked the vote on DMB or Tfrel?
To win town cred?
That's a more sensible point when you drop all the role nonsense. But it's hard to say maybe he saw that trfel was getting lynched no matter what so why not jump somewhere else to avoid the mislynch wagon mafia or not. True, but makes even more sense with a TvT wagon situation. Well it makes sense both ways no? If he thinks trfel goes no matter what.
If he thinks so, yes. But at the time that was not obvious so I doubt he thought so.
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On March 12 2024 03:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like why would I have ever posted anything when this is what it gets? Literally ignored. I already fucking knew, I shouldn't have even tried. I'm fucking exhausted, work is going to be fucking awful tonight, but I tried. I'm a fucking idiot.
Chill if you are town, VE. I promise you I will read your posts from today first.
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On March 12 2024 03:33 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 03:29 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2024 03:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like why would I have ever posted anything when this is what it gets? Literally ignored. I already fucking knew, I shouldn't have even tried. I'm fucking exhausted, work is going to be fucking awful tonight, but I tried. I'm a fucking idiot. Chill if you are town, VE. I promise you I will read your posts from today first. Bullshit if you were you would now, fuck off
I am literally reading then currently.
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On March 11 2024 19:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
First up we have Koshi. At first I had a townread on him for his activity, in spite of saying dumb things like Oats is town. D2 he drops off considerably though, and reacts really strangely to the Oats check. Like, there's confirmation bias, and there's trying desperately to save a mafia teammate. I think we witnessed the second one on Koshi's D2. The smart play there is to lynch the check. Koshi is a smart player. That's what cops are for, to check people you think you trust to find out if you can or not. Not just that, but his TR wasn't even that strong on Oats D1, he kept saying he had to go "reread" Oats to "see if he locked in on someone" or some meta bullshit. He never did that, but continued to scream about not lynching him, the mafia Framer. In that light, the fact that he's both "too confused about the state of the game to make any real reads" and "So certain of our path forward that I don't even have to try anymore" rings massive alarm bells for me.
Verdict: Mafia Koshi
Next up is.....omg it's our esteemed mayor. Please let there be less than 20 pages.
On March 11 2024 21:03 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 20:44 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 19:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
First up we have Koshi. At first I had a townread on him for his activity, in spite of saying dumb things like Oats is town. D2 he drops off considerably though, and reacts really strangely to the Oats check. Like, there's confirmation bias, and there's trying desperately to save a mafia teammate. I think we witnessed the second one on Koshi's D2. The smart play there is to lynch the check. Koshi is a smart player. That's what cops are for, to check people you think you trust to find out if you can or not. Not just that, but his TR wasn't even that strong on Oats D1, he kept saying he had to go "reread" Oats to "see if he locked in on someone" or some meta bullshit. He never did that, but continued to scream about not lynching him, the mafia Framer. In that light, the fact that he's both "too confused about the state of the game to make any real reads" and "So certain of our path forward that I don't even have to try anymore" rings massive alarm bells for me.
Verdict: Mafia Koshi
Next up is.....omg it's our esteemed mayor. Please let there be less than 20 pages. Meh. So basically because I strongly believed Oats was town. Bit weak VE. Nah it's what i said - that you WEAKLY believed Oats was town, used some fake meta to back it up that you never checked, and pushed me as an alternative for no reason. As is written. You didn't strongly believe Oats was town, you even said at the TOP OF THE POST where you town case him "or at least shouldn't be lynched today/tomorrow" and then go on to say that half your points don't even make him town. As if you didn't know who the mayor might shoot in the night making UNMASKING YOU AS ONE OF THE TEN FOOLS!!! Anyway, I think you're mafia so I'm not trying to convince you - only answer your point in order to convince everyone else. I still think you're swell even if you are trying to make me lose.
These Koshi posts are okay I guess. But do you really think going against the lynch on the redcheck is the play here if Koshi is mafia? You said yourself that he is smart. So from your pov (if you are town) this is more or less outing yourself to save a redchecked player for a day. I mean in general I can see Koshi openly pushing mafia agenda but the way he did it would be quite ballsy.
I will ignore the Vivax post since townreading the unkillable JK mayor who is almost certainly town does not get you points in my book, sorry.
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On March 11 2024 20:52 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 20:12 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 06:47 Palmar wrote:
Btw the wagon on me is so bad.
marv is probably just mafia
jat has literally no reason to think I am, and is probably mafia anyway.
Trfel has literally no reason to think I am
Slam is slam
Koshi has thought I am mafia every game for 10+ years. I think he just enjoys murdering me.
The only standout is DP Wow, the wagon on me on day 1 was so pure :D Wasn't it just? Palmar is almost certainly mafia here. Marv thought so. Rayn thought so. They're both dead to night kills. Palmar as town reviles playing with me, so him wanting me more active in this game bodes poorly for all of you given I'm going out first. He doesn't have fun WITH me, he has fun USING me, and he's salty I haven't given him ammo to do so until now. He voted for me instead of Oats even though he had a town read on me and a scum read on Oats D1. Pretty damning in hindsight, considering Oats was red checked AND was the framer. His filter is all over the place as you'd expect, but there are some nuggets in there. There's this one post locking koshi as town for calling the framer town on D1. As if that's not something mafia are EXPECTED to do. I'm sure he has some reasonable sounding logic, like towncasing is as bad as mafcasing because it invites scrutiny regardless. But he conveniently refuses to factor in that A) it's Koshi and B) we're all big boys and girls and stuff here. There's also a tendency to do mafia-ish things in his posts that I probably just dislike in general...but he does stuff like subtly fearmonger and appeal to peoples' insecurities. I've seen him do it as town but it's his bread and butter as mafia. Palmar is probably Mafia Palmar, and frankly he's probably going to win. I'm actually stopping here for now guys, I have tabs open with MZ iamp and CopCake filters, I had intended to do them tonight - I had actually intended for these all to be in one post - but when I found 2 mafia in Koshi/Palmar I figured the last one can wait. Especially given one of those people is the counterwagon to me and at this point I actually just WANT CopCake to be mafia so I can say the mafia tried to lynch me all game and couldn't - so I'll probably start with CC tomorrow. I HOPE she's mafia but that would be maybe too easy from my perspective.
Marv did not in fact think Palmar is mafia. That is actually his saving grace in my eyes. Also it does not really matter what Palmar thought day1 when you look at his vote day2. Reads change and it is quite easy to follow in this case. Basically everyone was townreading Oats. Basically everyone was/is scumreading you. I also feel like he really did want to have fun with you (no matter his alignment) - his drunk outburst yesterday certainly seemed genuine in this regard.
So while I also really don't think Palmar has performed very well in this game if he is town, your reasoning does not convince me at all and obviously lacks knowledge that could easily be attained by just a short look into his filter. If Palmar is mafia then it is not for this. And unfortunately, I will have to begrudgingly accept that Palmar is more likely than not town. Since Marv said so. Even though he is being an unreasonable ass.
Also, the towncase by Koshi on Oats is just so random and unnecessary if they are buddies. It is certainly not a point against him.
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My conclusion is that this is still the correct lynch. VE just started playing today when his lynch seemed certain. You could ask would a mafia player be so obvious/honest about just trying to survive as he was but yes, I think VE would absolutely do that. He just gets lazy as mafia if my memory does not fail me.
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On March 12 2024 03:54 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 03:50 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 12 2024 03:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote VE I don´t know what do think about that. Would he vote himself out to give us a lesson about always reading his aligment wrong or does he give up and try to not give us any clues to his mates when he flip red. Let's hope the flipping thing. I just dont get why Palmar and I. We are pretty nullish but unlynchable I think.
When/if he dies and flips mafia he won't have told us anything at all.
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I mean I know VE can be a little overly dramatic as town but this martyring after he apparently could not even be bothered to read the filters of these 3 people very attentively seems very unwarranted. What do you expect after you openly said you would only do the bare minimum to get by? That's exactly what he did but you cannot be surprised if people lynch you for having an obviously scummy mindset.
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Just stay the course. I am pretty confident he is mafia.
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On March 12 2024 04:15 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 04:14 justanothertownie wrote:
Just stay the course. I am pretty confident he is mafia. That's reassuring
Brutal. Coming from the guy who thinks the dude who shot mafia is mafia.
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Yeah, Vivax. But not everyone is playing against his own wincon regularly
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You are so self-centered it is actually amazing.
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On March 12 2024 02:41 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 02:33 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2024 02:28 Vivax wrote:On March 12 2024 02:26 CopCake wrote:
I honestly do not understand?
Does it look like Oats switched to JAT because he was scumreading JAT? Oats was mafia. He was not reading anyone anything. And no, he never even gave a reasoning to scumread me. Usually if people bus they add good reasons to look better afterwards and finding reasons to scum read your partners is always easy. They don't just throw their vote on there. It'd help if it was visible what your current opinion of VE, Copcake, MZ is.
I still don't think CC looks that scummy. For sure never a better lynch than VE today.
What I don't like about her play is how much she hides behind setup & role discussions. That's certainly an argument I can see being used against her. I also disagree with her conclusion that there have to be many townies in the possible pool of vig shots target for dp.
Apart from that I think most of what she did is perfectly ok. But I might also be biased since she seems to be my only friend in this town. Would be depressing if she is mafia. I do not have any meta on her and I don't feel like reading even more stuff than this huge thread and its filters though.
MZ I thought was quite scummy earlier - I laid out why before. I have to admit that he put in some serious effort recently though. I disagree with 90 % of what he says or concludes but that does not make him mafia necessarily. Will not lynch over VE. I think VEs alignment is also quite important regarding the way MZ acted around the Oats lynch. So, will be reevaluated night 3.
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On March 12 2024 05:10 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 05:09 Palmar wrote:On March 12 2024 04:53 iamperfection wrote:
See even if palmar is mafia at least he plays to win. You see what some of you have driven me to. I just complimented palamr. I will not forget this injustice. Like this is out of game stuff, but I really, really believe in game integrity, and always have. This game is fun because we make it fun. Sometimes it's hard to motivate yourself to go get shit done, but people have to remember it's not about them. It's about making sure everyone else is having a real game to play. I do the same
Same. It is why I try when I roll mafia (although I hate playing scum) even though it makes it so noone is ever willing to townread me anymore when I am town.
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On March 12 2024 05:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Can anyone explain why scum ve that is barely trying would filter dive people to form actual reads?
You call that filter diving? Did you read the posts?
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Also, maybe to not get lynched?
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On March 12 2024 05:37 DarthPunk wrote:
Can anyone explain why you are all voting against the confirmed town in jsl and myself?
Why shouldn't we?
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On March 12 2024 05:44 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 05:42 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2024 05:37 DarthPunk wrote:
Can anyone explain why you are all voting against the confirmed town in jsl and myself? Why shouldn't we? Not smart 🚩
Maybe we are listening to "confirmed town" Vivax?
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On March 12 2024 05:48 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 05:45 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2024 05:44 DarthPunk wrote:On March 12 2024 05:42 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2024 05:37 DarthPunk wrote:
Can anyone explain why you are all voting against the confirmed town in jsl and myself? Why shouldn't we? Not smart 🚩 Maybe we are listening to "confirmed town" Vivax? Just think about that for a second.
:D just saw he is voting MZ anyways
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On March 12 2024 06:01 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone recall her first real post of the game just being over the top aggressive calling me mafia out of nowhere and never letting it go.
She literally couldn’t reevaluate her reads at all until I literally became confirmed town. Then she just wasted all day talking bullshit about night actions.
Also what happened to her imperfection scum read.
She calls him scum day one, literally drops it never mentions it again.
Does this seem like town to you all?
For what its worth the bolded does not and has not convinced me now or before. What's the mafia motivation behind openly antagonizing you like that? The focus on you and the night actions was bit much, yes.
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On March 12 2024 06:06 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 06:05 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2024 06:01 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone recall her first real post of the game just being over the top aggressive calling me mafia out of nowhere and never letting it go.
She literally couldn’t reevaluate her reads at all until I literally became confirmed town. Then she just wasted all day talking bullshit about night actions.
Also what happened to her imperfection scum read.
She calls him scum day one, literally drops it never mentions it again.
Does this seem like town to you all? For what its worth the bolded does not and has not convinced me now or before. What's the mafia motivation behind openly antagonizing you like that? The focus on you and the night actions was bit much, yes. Tunneling one person for a majority of the game doesn't look scum motivated to you?
That is why I say that is a bit much.
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On March 12 2024 06:05 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 06:03 CopCake wrote:
Also is ok if you lynch me, I think VE is town, he could have parked his vote on me and afk but he didnt, he also put effort in reading and I do believe his rage of getting mad because he put EFFORT and got ignored. What alignment is imperfection Can you just post a list of everyone alive with like one sentence what you think about them
Imperfection might be the best and at the same time most offensive way to misspell his name. Genius.
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On March 12 2024 06:10 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 06:08 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2024 06:05 DarthPunk wrote:On March 12 2024 06:03 CopCake wrote:
Also is ok if you lynch me, I think VE is town, he could have parked his vote on me and afk but he didnt, he also put effort in reading and I do believe his rage of getting mad because he put EFFORT and got ignored. What alignment is imperfection Can you just post a list of everyone alive with like one sentence what you think about them Imperfection might be the best and at the same time most offensive way to misspell his name. Genius. It's an old joke trust me he didn't invent it
disappointing 
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On March 12 2024 06:31 Koshi wrote:[The case on why CopCake is Town. 1) What is CopCake not doing this game that is most of the time typical mafia? - She has been from the start out there. Doing the tea party with her lock townreads to form a town circle. She has called prominent, thread sentiment people mafia. She has commented multiple time that she wants to be heard. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:14 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 02:09 Vivax wrote:
Frustrating game so far, feels like talking to a wall. Talk to me The big boys have their own party. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 01:41 CopCake wrote:
I love how MZ talks about me and doesnt even bother to talk to me directly. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:56 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Copcake why are you not voting for me? Because I am town and gave you fresh air. I am not closed on you, my read evolve according to what is happening. If you are just painfully bad at reading me and tbh downgrading my game doesn't make you mafia, just a bad player at reading me. I can't find the post in which she says iamp Vivax and DP are mafia. But that was also out there. 2) I do not feel that Copcake is pushing mafia agenda in this game ever. If I feel anything, that is that Copcake is trying to solve the game on her own. And she is not doing that badly. She attacks DP a lot early game because she believes he is just spamming without content. She votes Slam for lying. She votes TTS based on this: Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:10 CopCake wrote:##Vote: ToTheStars On March 04 2024 14:55 ToTheStars wrote:
I also have a weak townlean on DP and Vivax
You guys are so slow with your day starts though, how can you make 0 votes in first 3 pages. On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads. You are very confident you are going to survive late. I can all see it happen in town!CC world in which she is trying to solve the game. I also see a lot of casual banter posts that don't feel forced or weird in a "I am scum and I try to belong" way. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:15 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 06:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 06:10 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 06:06 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 06:02 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 05:56 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Copcake why are you not voting for me? Because I am town and gave you fresh air. I am not closed on you, my read evolve according to what is happening. If you are just painfully bad at reading me and tbh downgrading my game doesn't make you mafia, just a bad player at reading me. What made your read evolve specifically and in what way has it evolved? And I literally caught you as mafia day one in the only game we played together so not sure how you can seriously think that I am bad at reading you. You are bad, because you got convinced otherwise. Because I made you doubt TTT, because I got my team three days without town getting us, without no lynch. We could have gone a 4th but we concede. So do not think you are an expert of reading me, if you were a top tier player you could have gotten me, marv and vivax that game. But you didnt. Your soft sissy read on me that you got first of me is not enough to call you a "cake expert". Get off your high horse, wear town shoes and try to solve the game. Can you answer the question you quoted and then didn’t answer. I took distance, and look somewhere else, giving you benefit of the doubt. Specially with all the stupid JK thing. [And my approach to you wasn't even aggressive, I even shared a bit of what I think and how I work. I even expected nice feedback but "Lol, cake is mafia hur hur hur" So, even with that, I decided to let you go because it is not beneficial to town to start another cake vs dp war. If you want to continue and go on a crussade against me is your prerogative but I am town this game. GLHF. So what do you think my alignment is now? Tbh, I dont give a fuck. You refuse to cooperate with me, asking me the same questions over and over without getting a conclusion. I will deal with you later IF i am alive next day. She believes she might be night killed. I like to think she is genuine here. She is also very snippy snappy towards people. She bites quite often and towards a lot of people. Ok. I started numbering things but I cba to format this properly. I also like this tbh: Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 14:10 CopCake wrote:
With that said
##Vote: Jacob
You are welcome. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 14:18 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 14:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 15:33 CopCake wrote:
Why are you so obsessed with me? Is this your auto response to pressure? Ok sell me on Jacob. On March 05 2024 13:47 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 10:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hmm I guess parking vote on TTS for now.
##Vote: ToTheStars Dude you think I am mafia and you are literally voting for the same person I am lynching? Please stop blending in peoples opinions about me and get to your own conclusions. You are also another person out of character. The first game i read from you, you were funny. Here you are acting as if you were walking on toes trying not to make a sound. I haven't played with him before and you say he's out of character. You voted TTS like 8 hours ago because he said he was going to survive late. I agree that JS's vote is really weak but is that enough for you to come off of TTS and essentially OMGUS JS? Just walk me through it bc I haven't played with him and I've got time and an open mind rn. I voted to the stars Jacob thinks I am mafia Votes to the stars He is voting for the scumread of his scumread. To me this shows she is critical thinking about the game. It is not impossible for a mafia to make these kinda posts. But I like that a town!CC catches things like this. It shows she wants to solve the game. Same thing basically. She is actually following up on what Vivax is writing down. I am town and cba tbh. Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 01:40 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 01:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:29 CopCake wrote:
Like, I dont understand why is it so bad to question Vivax claim.
I have the right to do it if I wanted to.
Okay so outside of the claim, how is vivax mafia The claim itself is just stupid, how he wants tfrel dead considering the last game, I dont think he is scumhunting His reads On March 05 2024 23:13 Vivax wrote:
I think rayn has a decent chance to flip mafia by the way.
Cop says he can't be because he'd be angrier but there's nothing that says he isn't simply more restrained in this game.
I'm moving cop out of the mafia pool just because of what Koshi said about her and good intentions. I still think she was struggling back then and took way too long to join the chorus calling my claim awful.
Iamperfection has dropped off a lot and looks a lot like Oats at this point. I just don't see any motivation to find the right lynch here. Erratic play. I believe Oats still didn't deliver an estimation of marv and Sandroba like I asked.
I don't want to lynch Palmar. I think marv is doing jack shit, and he didn't try to run for mayor for it. The Palmar vote was his first meaningful contribution, and everyone treated it like some high priest tossed a piece of metal from a pyramid and they went wild chasing it while screeching like a bunch of teenies at a rock concert.
I also think marv is kinda avoidant of DP and I know that marv has to fear DP if he's mafia. Him masoning Sandoba over DP is bad and might explain DPs lower effort.
MZ, Rels reasonable and pro-town all around but also a bit synthetic and lacking emotion for now. Not on the table for D1 I think and they have shown that they know what it takes to not lose to a casino.
DMB I think town. I liked most of the placements in her list and she had a golden opportunity to fall into her meta of antagonizing me just for fun and blending in with others doing so. I don't think she'd want a JK as mayor as mafia either.
That's about it for now. Otherwise:
Hapa joined discord and didn't post at all so I think it's due we make him the main secondary wagon that I can kill but I also need town's consent for it. Jealous works too, just make it visible please. and an hour later On March 06 2024 00:10 Vivax wrote:
Slam, iamp, TTS, Hapa
Man this game is easy read progressions are not ok Long conversation with Oats. Doesn't feel forced. Oats asks her. She answers. Nobody wants to disengage. Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 02:17 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 02:14 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 02:12 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 02:02 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:49 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 01:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:45 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 01:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:40 CopCake wrote:
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The claim itself is just stupid, how he wants tfrel dead considering the last game, I dont think he is scumhunting
His reads
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and an hour later
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read progressions are not ok
Out of curiosity, have you played with vivax before? And secondly, have you read the game you linked earlier? Yeah, I have played with Vivax and yeah, that is why I said Tfrel MVP there. So with what you linked, how is that not typical vivax? He literally does that that’s vivax I do not understand his claim, when he knows he might suffer the danger of getting misslynched anyways because the claim is just so bad to be true. Which makes me believe that he could be mafia with at least two big names. I want to rule out that probability, as easy as that. Yes you said this already. The question I’m asking is if you think he’s mafia then there has to be things other than the claim that he’s doing that’s scummy How many times has vivax said he wants tfrel dead? How many votes have Tfrel gotten? On March 05 2024 23:58 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Mayor
Vivax (10): raynpelikoneet, Rels, Vivax, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, Koshi, Alakaslam, JacobStrangelove, Meapak_Ziphh, marvellosity, Palmar
raynpelikoneet (2): JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, raynpelikoneet, Iamperfection, raynpelikoneet
Oatsmaster (1): Oatsmaster
Koshi (1): Koshi, justanothertownie
Not Voting (7): sandroba, Trfel, Jealous, CopCake, Hapahauli, ToTheStars, VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Vivax is currently set to be elected!
Lynch
Palmar (5) : marvellosity, justanothertownie, Alakaslam, sandroba, DarthPunk, Koshi
ToTheStars (2): Rels, CopCake, JacobStrangelove
Oatsmaster (2) : Vivax, VisceraEyes, DarthPunk
VisceraEyes (2): iamperfection, sandroba, Vivax, Oatsmaster
Justanothertownie (2): sandroba, Palmar
JacobStrangelove (1): CopCake, DarthPunk
DarthPunk (1) : raynpelikoneet
CopCake (1): Oatsmaster, DarthPunk, Meapak_Ziphh
iamperfection (0): DarthPunk
Koshi (0) : JacobStrangelove, Oatsmaster, sandroba
raynpelikoneet (0) : DarthPunk
Alakaslam (0) Oatsmaster, CopCake
Vivax (0): Alakaslam
Not Voting(5): Trfel, Jealous, die_meatbaby, Hapahauli, ToTheStars
With 5 votes, Palmar is currently set to be lynched!
Let me know if you see any votes misplaced
The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 06 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Do you not think that is weird? Why is it weird? If you have town attention because you are a PR, and you think this person is certain mafia, why not start a wagon there? Why go for an inactive? "Oh he was inactive" (I know Oats is not inactive anymore) I don't know what to do with this but I just like Copcake. Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 02:56 CopCake wrote:
I will also peace out if the thread wants to talk about something else besides my insane theory.
You do what you do. Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:57 CopCake wrote:
So, just arrived
You are going to lynch Tfrel when yesterday he had a cake on his username? So maybr he is absent for his birthday?
Ok. Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:12 CopCake wrote:
In before, cake why were you so sure Tfrel was town? Only mafia can be like that 🧟♀️
I wasnt sure, but I stated why Tfrel is a good player AND it was probably his real birthday today, we saw a birthday cake in his username and he said he was unaware, so if he id mia maybe it is because of the celebration. It has sass, it has insanity, like... how does this not read as somebody alone just playing the game; saying what she thinks? Again sassy, against red Oats. "You are not worthy to play with me" But it just doesn't feel forced nor did she then make Oats mafia or something. Oats played us all very well. Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:24 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Scummy for copcake to come in here and shit on the lynch without being here Scummy? I spent part of the day yesterday explaining why Tfrel is a good player and why I knight deffended him. You should know that, you were here yesterday asking me for the vivax thing. So bad, you are not worth to playing with me. I will be an ass like most of you and only care for what rayn,slam and marv have to say. And VE. And maybe jacob because he is funny. So live in your “we might jailkeeper mayor, happa mafia gave up because of thay hur hur” illusion. Fair and thought out reasoning why she thought Tfrel was town Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:33 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 12:27 Rels wrote:
Meh on Trfel being lynched, I would have lynched over half the game before him I glanced at the Tfrel list and I saw big names, I need to read the whole thread progession but yesterday it was discussed that Tfrel is “scummy” for his lack of participation of the thread. Some *big names* or big name deffended him also saying he was a good player. Need to see who it was and if he ended up lynching him. I made a comparasion of how he acted in the last game and saw the number of posts he made. So if “being inactive” is the reason and a big player did that, I think it is a very good place where to look for a mafia. Still tunneled and therefore: Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 13:12 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 07:27 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 07:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. This is a good post. Probably trfel is mafia. Yeah maybe but CC and sandroba are town and they are townreading tfrel. So don't fuck up their game and lynch Tfrel over Hapa and Palmar. With this, I mean, DP tried to put the Tfrel blame on Koshi. This also felt like a very natural conclusion to the catch up she did. Because she was focused on everything around Tfrel. Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 13:18 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 07:55 Koshi wrote:
DP, can you do me a favor?
When closer to deadline, can you take a step back and feel the thread? Try to feel if the players that came back to the thread are pushing an agenda?
I think the last 12 hours town had control over the thread, I fear that the mafia let us be, and will come back once we are asleep.
I could name some people but that wont be fair to them.
marv should not be shaded during the next hours. There is no need for that. He left the masons and came to play in the thread, that is a positive thing.
My remaining nulls/scumreads went into hiding.
Do not shade marv until we see palmar flip town. There is no reason to doubt marv his alignment.
Remember marv posted reads in mason chat and rayn hard townread marv for it. Town Koshi is invited to my party She was hyperfocused on tfrel getting lynched. Her 3 names explained: Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 14:10 CopCake wrote:
Like it makes a lot of sense in my head that DP wanted Tfrel out.
The way the lynch started was instigated by DP but the first vote was by Iamp.
Same with Vivax. He wanted Tfrel out but didnt move a finger until later when someone else did the Dirty work.
I think that Iamp have to do it because if not, the wagon wouldnt have started.
Anyways, I have problems only with DMB believing Vivax 100% claim but other than that she is being her usual self. Like... You can not agree with it, but it makes sense in her story and in her attempt to solve the game. Would she type that before the rayn nk? We are getting into wifom shit but I am bored atm Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 22:29 CopCake wrote:
Rayn, if you think I am mafia for that then I guess you are mafia.
You should know me better than anyone.
I was trying to understand Palmars approch because he came to me nicely trying to teach me “how to play mafia” so I put in the shoes to understand why he thinks DP is town if he is town.
So in that interaction, considering Palmar as town I said “you consider DP town because he pocketed you”.
Again shows she is reading and remembering. Trying to solve. Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 22:41 CopCake wrote:
For isntance, that list was based on how people acted to the end of the day before the lynch.
Ie. No one is questioning vivax:
Happa probably gave up because he is mafia
Tfrel is hiding because he is mafia
Rayn is crying in copcakes arms
Nobody touches my girlfriend because she gives good head
I am so right and you are idiots hur hur hur
When vivax was mafia with me he did the same. 🤷🏽♀️
He even said something like he would avenge Dumb.
she is also quickfiring here↑. At least 10 posts; always 3-4 minutes apart. Lot's of topics. I wont quote them but again. Easy as town solving game, really hard as mafia. Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 23:01 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 22:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 22:58 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 22:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 22:55 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 22:49 CopCake wrote:
And if we go by that
Cake calls mafia Palmar and DP/vivax/iamp
You call mafia Palmar
So I guess you assume I throwed my teamate there just because?
You didnt call Palmar mafia when you called DP/vivax/iamp mafia originally. Because i wrote the names of the people who caught my eye the most. So now answer me. Do I throw my scummates, yes or not? yes You are just mafia then. I dont understand? You know I dont do that. I believe CC. Way later she is still saying the same thing about the 4 veterans. She just believes it. Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 03:22 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 03:21 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:20 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:12 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 12:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 12:37 CopCake wrote:
So my theory is that Tfrel got lynched because mafia big boys are scared of him. He got lynched because of his end of day posts.I was about to swap to JAT and he basically claimed mafia ITT O_o Who are the mafia big boys who lynched Trfel though? My filter is there. Why are you asking me this? Because I thought you might enlighten me without me having to go to your filter. DP obviously. Who else? Iamp, Vivax, Palmar Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 12:49 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 12:00 DarthPunk wrote:Darthpunk's last will and testament.Basically I have been trying to sort people since the flips and my reads have been changing a bit. but i'll post a brief summary here as guidance and reads. And also so that i can prevent what I think are some of the biggest potential errors moving forward. Do not lynch tier:Palmar: He has looked really town since he started playing in the second part of day 1, in addition to my original reasons for not wanting him to be lynched (mindmeld with sandro, emotional congruence, effort to post reads when all was looking doomed) I think he has continued to look good, I find myself agreeing with his perspectives, I see hints of trolling, I think him and marv are vibing. The interaction with cake's shit takes was really townie to me. IT IS IMPORTANT YOU DON"T LYNCH PALMAR- can't stress this enough, no idea why people are getting stuck on small shit that doesn't matter, for example, rayn if you are town, it is well known that palmar doesn't do associative reads. The whole mason shit is a useless direction. This is probably the biggest throw for town imo. SandroIs just getting down to business scumhunting and sorting. I think he is the best player to sheep this game if you are lost. OatsmasterHis play this game reminds me of his play in the last game where he was town, he is being smart, pushing in good directions and generally looks super town to me. VivaxBeen discussed to death, he is the town JK in my opinion. PerfectionLooked town all game pretty much, some of his takes I think are wrong, I think he looked really town around the lynch. Also his scum play was terribad last time so I don't think this is that. Probably town tierKoshiI was debating putting him in the tier above, because he has looked really townie all game, and dramatically different to his mafia game, which was really lackluster. I don't think he pushes marv and rayn in the way he did as mafia. There are a couple of things that give me pause to him being 'lock' town, first of all is a post where he is aggressively pushing rayn and then kind of completely reverses On March 05 2024 20:37 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread. I admit I came in too strong. But rereading it, it was too strong but luckily not over the top. But it is fair you got annoyed. Seeing my case and my post you must understand why I can't let you be Mayor right? It's just not enough to earn it. Vivax did you dirty by claiming but there should not be a competition about the Mayor today. Can you vote vivax? You are 99.98% on him. I am interested in your reads on JAT and Rels. Just for my sake. Because I will not be able to read them today. I think it makes it clear the aggression was at least somewhat ingenuine. I still think he is town but yeah not as confident as I was, also don't like the casually mentioning me as a possible mafia candidate after it seemed like I was lock town all game, but maybe that was NK wifom. :D I am waiting for a 'smart' koshi moment and push which I haven't seen yet. RaynHonestly this was a hard one for me to sort, there are times when i thought he was town and other times where I thought he was mafia. I still don't really understand the way he has been interacting with me this game, it felt 'different' than normal. I thought it made him mafia, but currently I am putting it down to the fact he just thinks I am bad. I think his best moments came this night when he went into 'solver mode' with JAT. and I think he had a really good push on cake, and subsequent ideas on DMB which I think are likely correct. So town, the palmar/rayn shit started looking very TvT to me too. so there is that. I don't think he is as correct as he assumes (like every game) but town. SlamUn CC'd cop (fuck you VE ) also looked town around the end of day chaos. MarvHas been playing a solid game so far, in the back of my mind I always think he is mafia for engagement tells, but when I was wrong last game I decided to shelve that as old meta. I think he is mafia he will slip up later, It's kind of weird for town!marv to not call me mafia but i don't really think he is mafia either. Biggest town tell for him I think is his penchant for defending weaker scummy players like copcake. Also the shit with trfel, where he was really sad about reading the lynch, and the town read on hapa, both those pinged me as genuine and townie. Possible mafia/possible townRels:He has looked logical when he posts, but his wasted vote and push on palmar was a big red flag where it was useless and he wasn't really trying that hard to take thread control and change the lynch. lack of investment could be explained by IRL matters, but I also think Rels could be mafia. Also I remember him being WAY more aggressive as town. Like old school DP levels of aggression. Here he is just reasonable and meh. MZI feel like he has been flying under the radar a bit, I liked his push on Cake, I liked his push on JSL less. Calling me never lynch tier could be a possible pocketing attempt but also could be just because I tend to call him town when noone else does and we have vibed a few times this game. Needs to do more for sure. JealousMost likely to be scum out of these. i liked the open and transparent reasoning in his list post. I think he has looked worse ever since. The formulaic waffle of both sides of an argument is easy to just go through the motions with as mafia. The way he is hard defending me from people also pings me a bit. I can defend myself, why is he not considering those arguments for why I am mafia? Could be a pocketing attempt. TTS: Lurker.
JAT:Looked really bad for the reasons outlined earlier by sandro and palmar day one. I just don't think it makes sense he is mafia if palmar and trfel were town, he did this thing where he waited to swap to trefl even when i threatened to lynch him for it. Doesn't really make sense for mafia to do that. His posting has been looking good recently in its own right, particularly when interacting with Marv/Rayn Mafia tierDMB: The vote and case on me gave me pause for a bit, because of the WIFOM argument of why she would do it, but then refusing to give reads refusing to engage, talking about how exhausted I made her, all points to mafia, and then she actually immediately USED the WIFOM argument in her own defence. Basically I think her and Cake are partnered, their push on me is basically the same, and they have waffled on their reads of each other. Kind of calling each other scummy and kind of not, and then kind of ignoring each other, but they both have the same top scum read since early on so none of that is natural or normal if they are both town. Looks like classic distancing to me. I think DMB is showing the same traits this game as her previous game where she just tunnelled palmar IIRC and couldn't really form any other reads about the game. Same thing here, I was trying to see if she had thought about anyone else, but no. In her world 26 page DP is scum but she doesn't have the ability to scum read anyone else. I don;t buy that at all. CakeI am running out of time so I can't grab the posts, but I think rayn was on the right track here at night. She apparently has 4 scum reads but can only talk about me, same thing happened in her last scum read, just got tunnelled on 1-2 players and didn;t look elsewhere. I gave her space to see if she would do something else, but she ended up just talking about me some more, all the things that apply to dmb re:cake above apply to cake re: dmb here. I think marv is being super unhelpful by defending her when she is slipping really really hard. JSL:Lack of suspicion, didnt do anything with the encouragement on the koshi slip. Soft defending DMB. All the stuff sandro posted. Also I forgot he told me before he would be engaged as mafia, so the engagement is a null tell for him. VEI really hate this but he just looks scummy and disengaged. I hope I am wrong so I don;t have to lynch him but I don;t think I am wrong, I think he is just mafia which sucks. Ok one minute to go. GL if I don;t see you on the other side. You deffended Jacob ALL DAY and NIGHT and now he is mafia? Again. Good observation and I need to double check if this is true. Because I will vote Jealous tomorrow.Ok. she quoted DP and not Jacob so ignore the entire thing. WIFOM but I like it more from town CC: I quit here because enough is enough. I will never vote CC.
Thanks for reminding me. She interacted a lot with Oats without ever really drawing conclusions about his alignment at the time. I remember noticing that when I went through Oats filter. But it is not enough for me to vote her either. VE is the much better lynch.
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On March 12 2024 07:24 DarthPunk wrote:
Like I really don't know what to make of that self vote, it kind of doesn't fit with the rest of her play leading up to it.
I am weak to shit like this though. VE knows it too.
How convenient to know for everyone else in this game Now you are powerless.
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But let's be honest for a minute - no towncredit should be given for martyring. In either case. I can understand it a bit better in copcakes case since DP was harassing her really hard. But she also kept coming back to fight him so she is not innocent either. The VE martyr is just overall ridiculous.
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On March 12 2024 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:
But let's be honest for a minute - no towncredit should be given for martyring. In either case. I can understand it a bit better in copcakes case since DP was harassing her really hard. But she also kept coming back to fight him so she is not innocent either. The VE martyr is just overall ridiculous. Fuck off with that, since when was I harassing her? Im playing the game and I think she is mafia, for good reasons.
Yes, and you way of doing that is extremely aggressive. I experienced that day1.
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On March 12 2024 07:33 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 07:31 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2024 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:On March 12 2024 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:
But let's be honest for a minute - no towncredit should be given for martyring. In either case. I can understand it a bit better in copcakes case since DP was harassing her really hard. But she also kept coming back to fight him so she is not innocent either. The VE martyr is just overall ridiculous. Fuck off with that, since when was I harassing her? Im playing the game and I think she is mafia, for good reasons. Yes, and you way of doing that is extremely aggressive. I experienced that day1. Why do you not want to lynch cake over VE?
Because I think the chance of VE being mafia is higher. I thought I made that quite clear.
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On March 12 2024 07:35 Jealous wrote:
If she told multiple people they are bad and that they aren't worthy, called other people asses and told people she didn't give a fuck, she has no ground to stand on and neither do people defending her. That all started in D1. If she can dish it out, she should be able to take it.
Morally, I am 100 % on your side. People are hypocrites though.
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Look, I don't even know why I am defending her so I will stop. VE is just obvious mafia.
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On March 12 2024 08:00 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 07:57 DarthPunk wrote:On March 12 2024 07:49 die_meatbaby wrote:
Why do they both voting themselves? It's an appeal to emotion IMO. I feel this needs to be brought up again in this context: Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 22:33 CopCake wrote:
And you know I find appeal to emotion tasteless Not just doing it herself, but TRing VE who is also doing it at the same time. That is some galaxy brain stuff.
lol
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On March 12 2024 18:52 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 18:35 Vivax wrote:
Ima scratch that actually.
JS fakeclaimed gunsmith, pretended to give gun to mafia vig DP.
Everyone thinks Js is town now so he is semi-checked out, DP shoots lazy teammate. Oats is thrown to the wolves to placate the thirst for blood of the town.
DMB gets NDAd in scumchat so she stops bussing every teammate (she was tunneled on Oats DP and they tunneled her back at some point) I like the moxy but why are DP and I constantly on the right lynch though?
What do you mean constantly on the right lynch?
Sucks that VE feels this way. But you really gotta put in a little more effort than that. I'd probably lynch him again if he played the same way.
I guess I will have to take a closer look at cake.
At this point Rels is either copying what I am saying deliberately or probably town. That means I am running out of scumreads though. Someone is fooling me.
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On March 12 2024 18:53 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 18:51 CopCake wrote:
But I will let what you posted Vivax to be discussed by somebody else.
I don’t want to go that alley.
If I could lynch someone, would be Palmar. Yes, lets all lynch Palmer I'm going to fight for this tonight and make a town case so Solid it'll suvive 48 hours of IamPerfection Wifoming himself.
I like this idea.
I will not join you on this endeavor since he is probably town but he really deserves it.
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There probably never were a lot of mafia players on Palmar.
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But they also did not need to put in any work day1 since if palmar is town all real wagons day1 were town. With the possible exception of dmb but that never really took steam.
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Marv did not say palmar is mafia. He strongly called him town. How are you all getting this wrong. VEs case was also not very good.
I really love how you put your own name in the list of people who read him mafia though.
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On March 12 2024 19:41 iamperfection wrote:A rebuttal
:D
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On March 12 2024 20:17 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 19:21 justanothertownie wrote:
But they also did not need to put in any work day1 since if palmar is town all real wagons day1 were town. With the possible exception of dmb but that never really took steam. What about you. You could be mafia here.
My role pm says otherwise. Why would I analyze the game from a pov where I am mafia? Yeah, my info level is privileged since I know my own alignment. But from that I can tell you there was never the danger of a mafia lynch day1.
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On March 12 2024 20:45 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 20:43 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2024 20:17 DarthPunk wrote:On March 12 2024 19:21 justanothertownie wrote:
But they also did not need to put in any work day1 since if palmar is town all real wagons day1 were town. With the possible exception of dmb but that never really took steam. What about you. You could be mafia here. My role pm says otherwise. Why would I analyze the game from a pov where I am mafia? Yeah, my info level is privileged since I know my own alignment. But from that I can tell you there was never the danger of a mafia lynch day1. That post just seems to me like it says nothing except that you are town. Which is a bit fucking weak at this point
Yeah, you said to me I could be mafia. What else do you want me to say to that? A bit weak of a ping, wouldn't you say?
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On March 12 2024 20:17 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 19:20 justanothertownie wrote:
There probably never were a lot of mafia players on Palmar. Why do you say that?
Have a look at the wagon?
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On March 12 2024 20:55 iamperfection wrote:
So jat is palmar scum? You diminished the case but it wasn't super clear if you disagreed with the whole thing.
I have said multiple times now that I think he is probably town. I trust Marvs ability to read him over my own and he said he is 90 % town.
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But he can defend himself if he is town. He is a big, very important boy.
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On March 12 2024 22:32 Palmar wrote:
ez maths
Yep. As someone who is really good at math I can confirm.
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On March 12 2024 19:59 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 19:54 justanothertownie wrote:
Marv did not say palmar is mafia. He strongly called him town. How are you all getting this wrong. VEs case was also not very good.
I really love how you put your own name in the list of people who read him mafia though. In which world do you live now? You do not have to make big reads just who do you think is more town.
What are the worlds btw? I am aware that I have too many town or townish reads. Without having reread I would probably go for dmb or maybe MZ next.
Maybe we also need to flip you since some people I think are town feel so strongly about that and it would give us insight into day3. My first task should probably be making up my mind about that.
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On March 13 2024 00:04 Koshi wrote:
JAT that is the laziest shit ever. So if Palmar fooled marv after being scumread by marv and having to try to fool him, we are never going to revisit that?
Poor play by JAT.
I am also very concerned Palmar just takes it and runs with it.
We should check how many meaningful conversations Palmar and JAT have had in these 350 pages.
It absolutely is lazy. But it is the best play in my opinion. Feel free to try and convince me he is mafia if you think he is that strongly but I think it is rather weird how little respect you give to marv here. I mean your whole shtick this game is to sheep dead townies. Rayn thought palmar is mafia, yes. But who has the best record of reading him?
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And I will of course revisit this if we are getting closer to lylo. We aren't though.
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On March 13 2024 00:10 die_meatbaby wrote:Same reason here. He just give me Townreads because of MZ You get Townreads without any explanation from him. There are always reason why you Townread somebody. That hole Koshi thing in this game just feels like a bit lazy mafia...
Still criticizing me for lazy townreada like a boss.
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On March 13 2024 01:24 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 01:14 justanothertownie wrote:On March 13 2024 00:10 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 12 2024 21:14 CopCake wrote:
Why am I town, Koshi? Same reason here. He just give me Townreads because of MZ You get Townreads without any explanation from him. There are always reason why you Townread somebody. That hole Koshi thing in this game just feels like a bit lazy mafia... Still criticizing me for lazy townreada like a boss. that was on koshi. I know him that is suspect for him
I was also talking about Koshi.
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Koshi, please explain how this:
On March 12 2024 17:05 Koshi wrote:Ok. Game is still very interesting. I am glad iamp decided to go for VE because that position was unholdable. We blame rayn, marv and sandroba for this one. Next. As palmar said. This is just the first lynch in a mini. No need to worry. I think I actually connected with Jealous yesterday. So I dont scum read him anymore.
I really have to rethink MZ. If our alliance should continue.JAT & Rels. So difficult. Palmar ((( I'll probably will be under fire more and more. Which is fine. Really fun game. Mafia is doing well.
Became this:
On March 12 2024 17:26 Koshi wrote:
Rels Jealous and MZ
I think Jealous and I were both equally flabbergasted by what was happening yesterday. Should be a good basis to build on comming days.
I have a nagging feeling Rels is mafia since the start. It is that or he is playing quasi perfect and that sits bad. I should reread him for sure but my gut says to look here.
MZ and I are friends now. It is just easier for me if I dont have to think about dmb. MZ pleading to me to look into CC felt townie.
On March 12 2024 21:06 Koshi wrote:
Palmar/JAT/Rels then.
Maybe dmb but I trust my man MZ.
On March 13 2024 02:16 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 01:46 Vivax wrote:
Just waiting for Koshi to townread him so we get the okay from flight control Funny. But he is my ally. No questions asked.
With nothing in between. You are taking 2 people who I could see being mafia from the table for very flimsy reasoning. Was there a great reevaluation which you did not tell us? Or did you just forget you were supposed to rethink this?
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I would like to hear the reasons for this "alliance". I mean I already know the dmb reasoning is terrible because it just part of a deal. But at least reason out the read on MZ please.
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On March 13 2024 03:04 CopCake wrote:
The case of interest to me is TTS
- inactive
- doesnt care
- tfrel is better lynch because - reasons - even if he posted better.
Yet
- VE was the wagon vs Oatmaster
- wasnt he a political lynch option? (TTS)
- why give the privilege to live TTS than your town coolest neighbor VE? Specially if you enjoy to play with him?
Besides
- his imminent dead was announced (TTS)
- mafia goon
- VE getting lynched for inactivity while TTS is in the same position
- Killing - me - would had been better and understandable.
Let's be honest - there were very good reasons to lynch VE. It was not a policy lynch.
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On March 13 2024 03:35 iamperfection wrote:I have been reading old palmar games and i may have confirmation bias but in general i would say he is a tad more aggressive as town and certainly more invested i would say. I would say palmar hasnt been that invested and has certainly been more passive which is more similar to his scum games. also as an aside https://tl.net/forum/mafia/479775-xxx-mini-mafia-a-night-of-debauchery-18?user=PalmarThis game is insane and has marv rayn and palmar at endgame and i have no memory of it lol.
Not my proudest moment.
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On March 13 2024 03:37 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 03:05 justanothertownie wrote:
I would like to hear the reasons for this "alliance". I mean I already know the dmb reasoning is terrible because it just part of a deal. But at least reason out the read on MZ please. I think he is town.
Very helpful. Not lazy at all. Maybe I should look into your interactions to see if you are mafia together?
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On March 13 2024 04:47 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 04:35 Koshi wrote:On March 13 2024 04:14 iamperfection wrote:On March 13 2024 04:00 Koshi wrote:On March 13 2024 03:40 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2024 03:35 Koshi wrote:On March 13 2024 03:02 justanothertownie wrote:Koshi, please explain how this: On March 12 2024 17:05 Koshi wrote:Ok. Game is still very interesting. I am glad iamp decided to go for VE because that position was unholdable. We blame rayn, marv and sandroba for this one. Next. As palmar said. This is just the first lynch in a mini. No need to worry. I think I actually connected with Jealous yesterday. So I dont scum read him anymore.
I really have to rethink MZ. If our alliance should continue.JAT & Rels. So difficult. Palmar ((( I'll probably will be under fire more and more. Which is fine. Really fun game. Mafia is doing well. Became this: On March 12 2024 17:26 Koshi wrote:
Rels Jealous and MZ
I think Jealous and I were both equally flabbergasted by what was happening yesterday. Should be a good basis to build on comming days.
I have a nagging feeling Rels is mafia since the start. It is that or he is playing quasi perfect and that sits bad. I should reread him for sure but my gut says to look here.
MZ and I are friends now. It is just easier for me if I dont have to think about dmb. MZ pleading to me to look into CC felt townie. On March 12 2024 21:06 Koshi wrote:
Palmar/JAT/Rels then.
Maybe dmb but I trust my man MZ. On March 13 2024 02:16 Koshi wrote:On March 13 2024 01:46 Vivax wrote:
Just waiting for Koshi to townread him so we get the okay from flight control Funny. But he is my ally. No questions asked. With nothing in between. You are taking 2 people who I could see being mafia from the table for very flimsy reasoning. Was there a great reevaluation which you did not tell us? Or did you just forget you were supposed to rethink this? I did. And we are still friends. Sounds like one of you/Mz got the unclaimed whisperer. Inexplicably sad today. Is it one of you It was me. I cba with that. you didnt use it? No. I didnt. I didnt have anything to say outside the thread. i dont understand your thinking at all on this. I understand even less why you would admit to it.
Yeah? I am 100 % with him on that tbh.
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On March 13 2024 05:06 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:50 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Trefel do you want to be mayor? Sorry I completely missed this somehow. I wouldn't mind being mayor, I think one advantage of me theoretically being mayor is that I am generally obvious town. I think it's very dangerous to nominate someone like Holyflare as mayor, since he has an extremely terrifying scum game capability, and giving them the extra protection is dangerous. Unfortunately I'm pretty garbage as mafia, and I think someone with a bad scum game is a good choice for mayor. However, I also am garbage at day 1's. Like DarthPunk, I don't think campaigning for mayor makes much sense, if people want to vote for me they can, I'm not going to worry too much about it.
@DarthPunk, why don't you like Oatsmaster? I just read through his filter and it actually seems reasonable to me. This is so weird, why did oatmaster ask Tfrel to be mayor?
Why is that interesting in your opinion? They are both dead.
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On March 13 2024 05:34 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 05:16 CopCake wrote:On March 13 2024 05:09 justanothertownie wrote:On March 13 2024 05:06 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 12:50 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Trefel do you want to be mayor? Sorry I completely missed this somehow. I wouldn't mind being mayor, I think one advantage of me theoretically being mayor is that I am generally obvious town. I think it's very dangerous to nominate someone like Holyflare as mayor, since he has an extremely terrifying scum game capability, and giving them the extra protection is dangerous. Unfortunately I'm pretty garbage as mafia, and I think someone with a bad scum game is a good choice for mayor. However, I also am garbage at day 1's. Like DarthPunk, I don't think campaigning for mayor makes much sense, if people want to vote for me they can, I'm not going to worry too much about it.
@DarthPunk, why don't you like Oatsmaster? I just read through his filter and it actually seems reasonable to me. This is so weird, why did oatmaster ask Tfrel to be mayor? Why is that interesting in your opinion? They are both dead. Because it was out of nowhere. There must be a reason. Why is analyzing the interactions of the dead players bad? Ofc I am also seeing how Tfrel reacted to others but this pinged me in the wrong way. Seems like a throw away line scum can make to seem like they are participating but actually do nothing. Trfel would never be made mayor.
Exactly.
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On March 13 2024 06:06 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 03:02 justanothertownie wrote:Koshi, please explain how this: On March 12 2024 17:05 Koshi wrote:Ok. Game is still very interesting. I am glad iamp decided to go for VE because that position was unholdable. We blame rayn, marv and sandroba for this one. Next. As palmar said. This is just the first lynch in a mini. No need to worry. I think I actually connected with Jealous yesterday. So I dont scum read him anymore.
I really have to rethink MZ. If our alliance should continue.JAT & Rels. So difficult. Palmar ((( I'll probably will be under fire more and more. Which is fine. Really fun game. Mafia is doing well. Became this: On March 12 2024 17:26 Koshi wrote:
Rels Jealous and MZ
I think Jealous and I were both equally flabbergasted by what was happening yesterday. Should be a good basis to build on comming days.
I have a nagging feeling Rels is mafia since the start. It is that or he is playing quasi perfect and that sits bad. I should reread him for sure but my gut says to look here.
MZ and I are friends now. It is just easier for me if I dont have to think about dmb. MZ pleading to me to look into CC felt townie. On March 12 2024 21:06 Koshi wrote:
Palmar/JAT/Rels then.
Maybe dmb but I trust my man MZ. On March 13 2024 02:16 Koshi wrote:On March 13 2024 01:46 Vivax wrote:
Just waiting for Koshi to townread him so we get the okay from flight control Funny. But he is my ally. No questions asked. With nothing in between. You are taking 2 people who I could see being mafia from the table for very flimsy reasoning. Was there a great reevaluation which you did not tell us? Or did you just forget you were supposed to rethink this? Good post
If we lynch dmb and she flips scum Koshi needs to be looked at again. In this setup, he just clears her by association without having to interact with her or even assess her play at all. But I guess MZ would have to be town for that.
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On March 13 2024 06:16 DarthPunk wrote:
I’m just assuming cake is town now.
You all can deal with her at mylo I don’t care anymore
May I ask what caused this drastic change? I really don't get it. That goes for everyone else who was so sure about this too.
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On March 13 2024 06:44 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 06:19 justanothertownie wrote:On March 13 2024 06:16 DarthPunk wrote:
I’m just assuming cake is town now.
You all can deal with her at mylo I don’t care anymore May I ask what caused this drastic change? I really don't get it. That goes for everyone else who was so sure about this too. What's difficult to understand about it.
She was going against a town wagon, who was hammered. Unfortunate if she is mafia but no reason to change read or conviction. Is this the whole emo *you will not lynch her when I am dead* thing again?
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On March 13 2024 08:03 JacobStrangelove wrote:
We'll ask to mason mz for what time is left just to prove you had it I guess.
And what would that prove? Why would he lie about it? Literally no idea where this line of reasoning is going.
On March 13 2024 08:04 iamperfection wrote:
If cop is town rels has to be town I would think right? Such an uncessary play if otherwise?
Disgree. Why? If he is mafia he has to do something and if the wagons are TvT there is literally 0 cost to this.
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I mean I agree that being interested is a thing that is towny. But he certainly does not have to be town for that.
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On March 13 2024 08:17 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 08:11 justanothertownie wrote:
I mean I agree that being interested is a thing that is towny. But he certainly does not have to be town for that. It draws unnecessary attention I would think. Why not just sit back and relax
Because people are already calling him a lurker and disinterested.
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For the record - I think we should look into this pool for lynch tomorrow (no particular order):
CC
MZ
DMB
+ potentially Koshi (he fell off pretty badly since day1, maybe scum Koshi running out of juice? Could & should easily turn up the heat if he is town so some pressure here could be worth it)
I am not feeling the Palmar lynch/I don't think he is mafia.
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On March 13 2024 08:36 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 07:36 Koshi wrote:
If I would have masoned anybody. I would have masoned MZ and try to work the game out with him and see what would have happened. But I simply cba to do outside stuff and only really considered it today and somewhere once during the 48 day phase.
Believe it or not. Why Mz after Palmar masoned him.That‘s very untownlike for you over someone like DP
Wasn't it the other way around? Not that it matters. If Koshi is mafia it is not for his refusal to use the mason mechanic.
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On March 13 2024 08:41 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 08:38 justanothertownie wrote:On March 13 2024 08:36 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2024 07:36 Koshi wrote:
If I would have masoned anybody. I would have masoned MZ and try to work the game out with him and see what would have happened. But I simply cba to do outside stuff and only really considered it today and somewhere once during the 48 day phase.
Believe it or not. Why Mz after Palmar masoned him.That‘s very untownlike for you over someone like DP Wasn't it the other way around? Not that it matters. If Koshi is mafia it is not for his refusal to use the mason mechanic. What for then? Aside from the obvious lack of his usually obvious town sparkle. He‘s matte coloured this game.
Exactly for that. Isn't that enough?
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On March 13 2024 09:08 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 08:32 justanothertownie wrote:
For the record - I think we should look into this pool for lynch tomorrow (no particular order):
CC
MZ
DMB
+ potentially Koshi (he fell off pretty badly since day1, maybe scum Koshi running out of juice? Could & should easily turn up the heat if he is town so some pressure here could be worth it)
I am not feeling the Palmar lynch/I don't think he is mafia. Why not? He wants to lynch you. Is he bussing you for an easy win? Backup your read with reasons please.
I have multiple times. If you aren't reading then I cannot help you. If this game was as easy as "everyone who wants to lynch me is mafia" then it would be quite boring, wouldn't it?
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Anyways, I am off for today.
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Btw. voting VE instead of Oats is actually something that looks bad for Palmar. It is also very obvious though.
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On March 14 2024 01:30 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 23:28 iamperfection wrote:
Palamr straight up ignored when koshi said he would vote jat with him. It's not relevant information until I actually make a choice on who I want to lynch. It is somehwat interesting that jat hasn't really commented much on what is going on today.
Yeah, having a long and stressful work day. Very interesting that is. I'll be there in maybe an hour.
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On March 13 2024 13:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 08:32 justanothertownie wrote:
For the record - I think we should look into this pool for lynch tomorrow (no particular order):
CC
MZ
DMB
+ potentially Koshi (he fell off pretty badly since day1, maybe scum Koshi running out of juice? Could & should easily turn up the heat if he is town so some pressure here could be worth it)
I am not feeling the Palmar lynch/I don't think he is mafia. This list is terrible and not just for the OMGUS factor, these people are lynchbait at this point and the fact that you are using this to defend Palmar is pinging me immediately. Also I very much disagree with the characterization of Koshi’s play.
Is it though? Quite a bold statement to make that these are lynchbait. Implying they are all town. Who do you think is mafia then? Palmar/Rels/me?
Do you think I would defend Palmar this openly and supposedly lazily if we were mafia together?
Someone asked for a summary of my Palmar read. I can only reiterate that Marv has a phenomenal track record of reading him. I don't. Sometimes the smart thing is to listen to someone better. Rels point about him dumbtelling is also valid. His tone is alright - I personally thought his drunken spree was quite genuine for example. I could go into his filter to collect some examples of that but it seems like a waste of time currently. I would not touch him for a few days.
If you guys are serious about lynching him I might tomorrow but he can and should defend himself (this should make his alignment easier to see too). I feel my time is better used looking for mafia, so I will do that instead.
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Which means I will have to reread some people since today I am lacking a scumread with the same level of conviction I had on day3. Koshi already looks better though. Even though he is impressively wrong.
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Jealous is someone I need to reread for sure. I kind of ignored his existence so far.
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On March 14 2024 04:14 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote:
This is just random and for post-game purposes.
We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective).
1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question
2) TTS - Complete inactivity
3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia
4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why
But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad. Palmar didn‘t notice the guy who didn‘t post for half a day started out by claiming VT. TTS and hapa are mischaracterized. TTs played early, then fucked off. For hapa it‘s the opposite. You can interchangeably use his reasons for his TtS and Hapa verdicts. They are barely different. It‘s fake.
That is actually not a bad.
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*observation
The VT claim stuff I think does not matter at all.
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On March 14 2024 04:26 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 04:08 justanothertownie wrote:
Jealous is someone I need to reread for sure. I kind of ignored his existence so far. This is the problem with you. We have had 4 confirmed town since forever, a town looking CC after town!VE flipped, and last night you were just happy holding the status quo with Palmar town. You are not doing PoE and actively finding mafia. You are just waiting and reacting. Thinking you can adapt to the new situations when they come. But you have no list in your head who you PoEd is mafia. After the VE flip the world was on its head. But not for Palmar & you. You do this as your first post after a huge shocker: Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 19:54 justanothertownie wrote:
Marv did not say palmar is mafia. He strongly called him town. How are you all getting this wrong. VEs case was also not very good.
I really love how you put your own name in the list of people who read him mafia though. Defending Palmar against a confirmed town. And now you go for the too scummy to be scum together defense?
Why should I care if it is a confirmed town I am defending Palmar against? That makes absolutely no sense. And I literally posted a PoE list yesterday so you can get the fuck out with that nonsense as well.
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On March 14 2024 04:26 Koshi wrote:
I laugh at you JAT
That's great!
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On March 14 2024 04:30 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:On March 12 2024 12:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Man what the fuck.
This game is going to be extremely hard if townies are gonna self-vote, I feel like that's playing against your wincon. I absolutely hate martyring so pointlessly. I think that was still 100% the right lynch.
And now we're gonna have to solve the copcake problem since she did exactly the same thing. She voted herself and peaced out when the vote was 7-4 with VE in the lead. Her vote made it 6-5, still with VE in the lead. She showed no problems with leaving her vote on randos the previous two days, and if she was scum, she had a safe place to park her vote on VE or a rando as nobody would have scumread her any harder than they already were for voting to save herself. Now granted, she didn't hammer herself, the closest she ever got was 7-6 against her 2 hours later. So, did town!cake just rage quit in the exact same manner that VE did? Or did scum!cake take a gamble, not realizing how close it was going to get? If it's the second option, Rel's desperation to save her pretty much guarantees him as scum in my eyes, but I still don't know if I can wrap my head around scum!cake doing that because the vote is so close I'd argue that's pretty close to intentionally throwing. Or maybe it's all #bigplays that I'm too stupid to understand.
I have a decent amount of thread to fully catch up on after just skimming to get through it, I focused more on the voting thread to try and figure out wtf both VE and cake were doing. I'm not surprised to see there were more shenanigans by certain people. I will also have a go at reading VE's filter although idk if there's much of a point. What a town hero does. Analyse. I kind of disagree. Feel like he just summed up what happened and listed every scenario. I don't think it's super town post.
You won't convince him. At this point Koshi is not reading MZs posts critically anymore.
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On March 14 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:This wasnt his first post but this is what JAT/Palmar had to do: Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 15:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Yeah mafia is Palmer, Koshi, easy not sure on last
Cc is town because playing so drastically against win con as scum when you know ve is town is dumb.
It was scummy before but now we know VE is town Cc is town.
Unless we lynch Palmer and he flips town then it's cc rels and still not sure on last.
I like jealous and mz, Jat in that order of townness.
What do I have to do because he likes me?
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On March 14 2024 04:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 04:30 iamperfection wrote:On March 14 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:On March 12 2024 12:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Man what the fuck.
This game is going to be extremely hard if townies are gonna self-vote, I feel like that's playing against your wincon. I absolutely hate martyring so pointlessly. I think that was still 100% the right lynch.
And now we're gonna have to solve the copcake problem since she did exactly the same thing. She voted herself and peaced out when the vote was 7-4 with VE in the lead. Her vote made it 6-5, still with VE in the lead. She showed no problems with leaving her vote on randos the previous two days, and if she was scum, she had a safe place to park her vote on VE or a rando as nobody would have scumread her any harder than they already were for voting to save herself. Now granted, she didn't hammer herself, the closest she ever got was 7-6 against her 2 hours later. So, did town!cake just rage quit in the exact same manner that VE did? Or did scum!cake take a gamble, not realizing how close it was going to get? If it's the second option, Rel's desperation to save her pretty much guarantees him as scum in my eyes, but I still don't know if I can wrap my head around scum!cake doing that because the vote is so close I'd argue that's pretty close to intentionally throwing. Or maybe it's all #bigplays that I'm too stupid to understand.
I have a decent amount of thread to fully catch up on after just skimming to get through it, I focused more on the voting thread to try and figure out wtf both VE and cake were doing. I'm not surprised to see there were more shenanigans by certain people. I will also have a go at reading VE's filter although idk if there's much of a point. What a town hero does. Analyse. I kind of disagree. Feel like he just summed up what happened and listed every scenario. I don't think it's super town post. You won't convince him. At this point Koshi is not reading MZs posts critically anymore. COOL STORY BRO When are those reads coming? Are you guys already finished organising a come back or is it this? Ignore & deflect
It is good to have town Koshi back in this game.
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On March 14 2024 04:41 Koshi wrote:
How both Palmar and JAT do not turn on each other or even easier me is beyond me.
There is mafia within us 3. That is obvious after that flip.
But no hostility or investigation at first. The wheels did not do clickclickclick.
You can keep screaming about it for a while if you wish. I will not let you rush me doing anything - there is more than enough time and unlike today I will be able to spend a good portion of tomorrow on this game.
I don't think there is mafia within us 3 though.
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On March 14 2024 04:46 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 04:44 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 04:41 Koshi wrote:
How both Palmar and JAT do not turn on each other or even easier me is beyond me.
There is mafia within us 3. That is obvious after that flip.
But no hostility or investigation at first. The wheels did not do clickclickclick. You can keep screaming about it for a while if you wish. I will not let you rush me doing anything - there is more than enough time and unlike today I will be able to spend a good portion of tomorrow on this game. I don't think there is mafia within us 3 though. Oh then you have 3 mafia in a group of 4? I didnt realize you solved the game.
What group of 4 would that be? I never claimed to have solved the game. Quite the opposite tbh. I think this game is extraordinary difficult.
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On March 14 2024 04:46 CopCake wrote:Night 2.- + Show Spoiler +-DP shoots TTS (Confirmed)
- Vivax jails slam
- Slam dies
- Marv dies Following this idea (DP town) makes me believe that DP didn't get blocked because 1.- TTS was already getting grilled, and his inactivity would have made him go to the lynch pile instead of VE, perhaps. So, if he died, it was like, meh, besides, he was just "a goon." 2. The Mafia gambled and was very sure DP would shoot either a townie (DMB and I were the ones I remember he mentioned more, apparently I read somewhere he also mentioned VE?) because of how we had been acting the whole game—DP vs. Cake, Cake vs. DP. Point 2 also makes me believe that a Mafia participated in the last game I played and saw the DP vs. Cake that happened there. They are pulling the strings to make us fight, and it doesn't help that my personality and DPs don't get along. It could be his paranoia or my stubbornness; who knows, but I think the Mafia is exploiting this in the worldview that DP is town. In this scenario, DMB is cleared. I also noticed that people act like vultures around her to see if she does something scummy.
I feel at this point this logic has been debunked several times. Mafia literally could not risk roleblocking dp no matter who he was going to shoot since otherwise they could not kill slam (or even worse get a shot blocked directly at the source). They obviously decided to take the risk since TTS was the most obvious target next to you maybe. This does not clear anybody. Especially if you are town.
If you have other reasons for townreading dmb feel free to share though. I take it you are in a mason chat.
How much experience do you have playing with Koshi?
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Like, imagine mafia roleblocks dp.
- Vivax is free to do whatever he wants.
Best case for mafia:
He saves slam, slam still cannot be killed unless they have a strongarm on top of the roleblocker & framer. Mafia shoots 2 other people.
Worst case for mafia:
Vivax does NOT save slam. Slam gets a check off AND Vivax can still potentially block a shot defensively or offensively. Absolute nightmare scenario for mafia.
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On March 14 2024 05:28 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 05:23 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 04:46 CopCake wrote:Night 2.- + Show Spoiler +-DP shoots TTS (Confirmed)
- Vivax jails slam
- Slam dies
- Marv dies Following this idea (DP town) makes me believe that DP didn't get blocked because 1.- TTS was already getting grilled, and his inactivity would have made him go to the lynch pile instead of VE, perhaps. So, if he died, it was like, meh, besides, he was just "a goon." 2. The Mafia gambled and was very sure DP would shoot either a townie (DMB and I were the ones I remember he mentioned more, apparently I read somewhere he also mentioned VE?) because of how we had been acting the whole game—DP vs. Cake, Cake vs. DP. Point 2 also makes me believe that a Mafia participated in the last game I played and saw the DP vs. Cake that happened there. They are pulling the strings to make us fight, and it doesn't help that my personality and DPs don't get along. It could be his paranoia or my stubbornness; who knows, but I think the Mafia is exploiting this in the worldview that DP is town. In this scenario, DMB is cleared. I also noticed that people act like vultures around her to see if she does something scummy. I feel at this point this logic has been debunked several times. Mafia literally could not risk roleblocking dp no matter who he was going to shoot since otherwise they could not kill slam (or even worse get a shot blocked directly at the source). They obviously decided to take the risk since TTS was the most obvious target next to you maybe. This does not clear anybody. Especially if you are town. If you have other reasons for townreading dmb feel free to share though. I take it you are in a mason chat. How much experience do you have playing with Koshi? I answered above and last two games I remember I have played with him I have killed him.
Meaning you were mafia and he town? Was his play much different there? Because this is exactly how town Koshi acts. Irrational but with insane drive. Something he is utterly incapable of faking as scum.
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On March 14 2024 05:39 Jealous wrote:
Damn, some of those Koshi posts look even worse than I remember them to be. Good dig, CopCake.
I think the "pitting DP against CopCake" seems a bit too paranoid for me to jump on. DP seems like the type of person who would do whatever they felt like, whenever they felt like it. I doubt anyone could coerce him to cause drama for no reason. This is probably aided by the fact that I perceived a lot of your posts/"style" the same way he did, and no one pushed me to do that, either.
Back to Koshi, the changes in reads on people like MZ feel almost gut-based, or at least they are not fully explained. I don't think that's necessarily AI overall; several people here seem to hop from one wagon to another, change their reads on a dime, etc. and they can't all be scum. Specific instances can open the window for pressure though, so I like that CopCake pointed out specific inconsistencies. Let's see what Koshi does in response.
Koshis response will be to yell that Palmar and I are mafia some more. I guarantee it.
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On March 14 2024 05:41 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 05:41 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 05:39 Jealous wrote:
Damn, some of those Koshi posts look even worse than I remember them to be. Good dig, CopCake.
I think the "pitting DP against CopCake" seems a bit too paranoid for me to jump on. DP seems like the type of person who would do whatever they felt like, whenever they felt like it. I doubt anyone could coerce him to cause drama for no reason. This is probably aided by the fact that I perceived a lot of your posts/"style" the same way he did, and no one pushed me to do that, either.
Back to Koshi, the changes in reads on people like MZ feel almost gut-based, or at least they are not fully explained. I don't think that's necessarily AI overall; several people here seem to hop from one wagon to another, change their reads on a dime, etc. and they can't all be scum. Specific instances can open the window for pressure though, so I like that CopCake pointed out specific inconsistencies. Let's see what Koshi does in response. Koshis response will be to yell that Palmar and I are mafia some more. I guarantee it. Also Jealous
My bad.
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On March 14 2024 05:56 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 05:36 iamperfection wrote:
And I feel like you just went through koshis filter trying to find any inconsistency possible. Also not explaining why said inconsistency makes koshi mafia - Koshi says I am unreadable and then says he can read me, then even dares to say he tone reads me. - Koshi is like Oats I need to kill you and then says “yes, I was wrong about Oats” Oats also wanted to mayor Koshi. - He hardcore townreads DP but suspects Jacob??? Even when he claimed gunsmith? He even says “Is jacob even the gunsmith?” Post #4745 so you can see his reads before Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc Like I said, if he hardcore reads DP as town, why is he questioning jacob? Like if he thinks DP is town, shouldnt he believe Jacob’s claim? - Many of his decisions are based on dead players: Marv would have liked, Sandro this, Rayn that. I didnt went with the eyes of: I must find scum in Koshi. I didnt like how he reacted to me being lynched then no then yes. Felt like he was trying to prepare the scenario of “I told you so”, which I know, it will happen because I am VT. There are more things quoted, and I am phoneposting atm. I dont think I am going to get on the computer because I am tired and almost midnight. If you think is worth to talk to me please do so. If you think my case is trash ignore me.
Your case isn't thrash. For someone else it might even be good. In Koshis case however it just does not really work. You will always find loads of inconsistency and illogical borderline idiotic behavior in his town play. It is also perfectly in line that he sheeps the reads of dead players.
Unfortunately, only very selectively and usually the wrong ones. He should be all for what I am doing in respecting marvs read but he isn't. Which is irrational but totally expectable.
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On March 14 2024 06:07 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 06:04 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 05:56 CopCake wrote:On March 14 2024 05:36 iamperfection wrote:
And I feel like you just went through koshis filter trying to find any inconsistency possible. Also not explaining why said inconsistency makes koshi mafia - Koshi says I am unreadable and then says he can read me, then even dares to say he tone reads me. - Koshi is like Oats I need to kill you and then says “yes, I was wrong about Oats” Oats also wanted to mayor Koshi. - He hardcore townreads DP but suspects Jacob??? Even when he claimed gunsmith? He even says “Is jacob even the gunsmith?” Post #4745 so you can see his reads before Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc Like I said, if he hardcore reads DP as town, why is he questioning jacob? Like if he thinks DP is town, shouldnt he believe Jacob’s claim? - Many of his decisions are based on dead players: Marv would have liked, Sandro this, Rayn that. I didnt went with the eyes of: I must find scum in Koshi. I didnt like how he reacted to me being lynched then no then yes. Felt like he was trying to prepare the scenario of “I told you so”, which I know, it will happen because I am VT. There are more things quoted, and I am phoneposting atm. I dont think I am going to get on the computer because I am tired and almost midnight. If you think is worth to talk to me please do so. If you think my case is trash ignore me. Your case isn't thrash. For someone else it might even be good. In Koshis case however it just does not really work. You will always find loads of inconsistency and illogical borderline idiotic behavior in his town play. It is also perfectly in line that he sheeps the reads of dead players. Unfortunately, only very selectively and usually the wrong ones. He should be all for what I am doing in respecting marvs read but he isn't. Which is irrational but totally expectable. But how do you explain the Heeyy cake is town, maybe not, maybe yes, if ve is town, if ve is mafia, yes, no. Is that normal?
Yes.
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On March 14 2024 06:24 CopCake wrote:
🤦🏾♀️
Isnt Koshi a top tier player?
Hit and miss :D
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Because he cannot be mislynched as town. And sometimes he also has good reads. Don't know if that was the case in your games.
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I am currently reading Jealous filter and I remember why I basically ignored him so far. I am literally falling asleep reading this. I feel like I am being unfair by saying this since he clearly put in a lot of effort but so far I saw nothing controversial at all and I constantly catch myself glossing over parts. Will try again tomorrow when I am less tired.
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On March 14 2024 07:40 Palmar wrote:
I'm going to vote for jat now.
Koshi can you do it with me, feel free to go back to me later, but I want to build a small wagon on jat.
I just went quickly through jat and iamps filters. They talk a bunch with each other, but give almost no reads on each other. iamp was in some list post by jat at some point, but that was really about it. I searched for "iamp" and "jat" in each other's filter, so if they use a different name it might be wrong.
Basically, at almost no point have these two given an "hey I think this guy is X because of X" on each other. It's all just quoting each other in discussions, usually about a third party.
So here's a thing
1) @iamp: what do you think of jat and why. I know you think I'm mafia, but even if I am you'd still have to find 2 more people. Go make a towncase if he's town and scumcase if you think he's scum.
2) @jat: what do you think of iamp and why? I'm not actually up to date on your stance on me, but I remember you sheeping marv's read quite hard so you may be one of the few people who think I'm town. So go ahead and make sense of iamp, tell me if I'm wrong.
How can you not be up to date with my stance on you? Can you please read the thread at least? Spoiler: Yes. I seem to be more or less the only one here who thinks you are town.
My position on Iamp has always been town. More or less from the start since I had multiple moments in my first catch up where he posted exactly what I thought at the time. Never really gave me any reason to reevaluate that and since people say his mafia game is extremely bad I did not feel bad about it so far.
I can humor you tomorrow and filter dive him (will sleep soon) but not now. Whatever happened to "I do not make associative reads"?
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On March 14 2024 07:44 Vivax wrote:
This is a good suggestion.
We should pay some respect to marvs read on Palmar and also to Palmar himself.
I'll be damned if this day is just an automatic train on copcake.
...
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On March 14 2024 07:53 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 07:52 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 07:44 Vivax wrote:
This is a good suggestion.
We should pay some respect to marvs read on Palmar and also to Palmar himself.
I'll be damned if this day is just an automatic train on copcake. ... What? 90% confidence on him being town.
If only someone had brought this up before. Seriously. Now that Palmar posts it - what a revelation!
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On March 14 2024 07:59 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 07:56 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 07:53 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 07:52 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 07:44 Vivax wrote:
This is a good suggestion.
We should pay some respect to marvs read on Palmar and also to Palmar himself.
I'll be damned if this day is just an automatic train on copcake. ... What? 90% confidence on him being town. If only someone had brought this up before. Seriously. Now that Palmar posts it - what a revelation! That sounds like a point you could have taken to Koshi and iamp and chose not to?
Are you trolling me?
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On March 14 2024 07:59 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 07:56 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 07:53 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 07:52 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 07:44 Vivax wrote:
This is a good suggestion.
We should pay some respect to marvs read on Palmar and also to Palmar himself.
I'll be damned if this day is just an automatic train on copcake. ... What? 90% confidence on him being town. If only someone had brought this up before. Seriously. Now that Palmar posts it - what a revelation! Still mad about 73?
It legitimately took me a second to get what you are referencing.
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On March 14 2024 07:59 Koshi wrote:
Ok I got to say it.
If Palmar is town.
And that is still a big if.
CC is lock mafia for the n1 nks.
rayn was wrong about literally everything except CC and she would want him dead.
Sandroba was on CC as well.
That makes that DP was right all the time.
That makes rels his vote is correct.
That makes the iamp change to VE sus as fuck.
Etc
Rayn wasn't wrong on me at least
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On March 14 2024 08:13 Koshi wrote:
MZ has been on cc as well the entire time.
Somebody also told VE that he needed to look into cc and not Palmar after he looked into me.
Fml fml fml
Rels, I think.
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With wagons being on Palmar and myself this day is not heading into a promising direction. Mafia is doing well.
On March 14 2024 11:18 DarthPunk wrote:
Here is the reason for lynching JAT in my estimation.
Low impact Low presence.
I think I need to get defending myself out of the way first. I know people don't like it but I cannot help myself.
Attacks like the one by dp I quoted here annoy me to no end. I picked him because he is one the more recent examples and almost certainly town but this has been done by multiple people. Very rarely has anyone in this game listed an actual gameplay related reason for me to be mafia. Ironically, Iamp just did something of the sort with my Koshi post but that is more or less everything I read from all the people defaulting to calling me mafia. I think it is just lazyness compared with mafia hiding themselves well.
So - low impact, low presence.
To what kind of standard are you holding me here? My last towngame happened like 10 years ago. I spend an unhealthy amount of time on this game already and always made my opinions known. Unlike you, I also got my target lynched every single day and except for day1 where I my hand was forced I also pushed for it. And as you noticed yourself even there I made sure that my vote ended up in the right place.
Examples:
Oats vs. VE:
On March 09 2024 09:31 justanothertownie wrote:
I will go to bed now. The wagons are quite close right now so please be reasonable. Even if VE is mafia we still need to lynch oats. You are only postponing it if we are not doing it today and then people will again take this as an excuse not to play for a full dayphase.
That was when it was really close and right before I left.
On March 09 2024 09:39 justanothertownie wrote:I think it is like 8:6 Oats:VE now
I was getting us back on track before people like DP did.
VE vs. Copcake:
On March 12 2024 03:59 justanothertownie wrote:
My conclusion is that this is still the correct lynch. VE just started playing today when his lynch seemed certain. You could ask would a mafia player be so obvious/honest about just trying to survive as he was but yes, I think VE would absolutely do that. He just gets lazy as mafia if my memory does not fail me.
On March 12 2024 04:14 justanothertownie wrote:
Just stay the course. I am pretty confident he is mafia.
On March 12 2024 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:
But let's be honest for a minute - no towncredit should be given for martyring. In either case. I can understand it a bit better in copcakes case since DP was harassing her really hard. But she also kept coming back to fight him so she is not innocent either. The VE martyr is just overall ridiculous.
On March 12 2024 07:35 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 07:33 DarthPunk wrote:On March 12 2024 07:31 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2024 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:On March 12 2024 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:
But let's be honest for a minute - no towncredit should be given for martyring. In either case. I can understand it a bit better in copcakes case since DP was harassing her really hard. But she also kept coming back to fight him so she is not innocent either. The VE martyr is just overall ridiculous. Fuck off with that, since when was I harassing her? Im playing the game and I think she is mafia, for good reasons. Yes, and you way of doing that is extremely aggressive. I experienced that day1. Why do you not want to lynch cake over VE? Because I think the chance of VE being mafia is higher. I thought I made that quite clear.
On March 12 2024 07:38 justanothertownie wrote:
Look, I don't even know why I am defending her so I will stop. VE is just obvious mafia.
Does any of this mean I have to be town? No. But I cared about every single lynch this game and was very clear about what I was pushing. And I was online and interacting more than I should have.
So kindly fuck off with your low presence - low impact. Anyone that is serious about lynching me today please do me a favor and reason out your read so I can actually refute it and get us back on track.
I will quickly walk the dog and start the filter diving. I have not found who I would want to lynch today and I agree that this is a valid criticism of my play.
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On March 14 2024 21:59 iamperfection wrote:
JAT is your only reason for thinking palmar town still marvs read?
It is for sure the biggest reason. Still stuck in filters currently.
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I'll start from the top and immediately ignore the first 2 entries. In both cases there is a 0.01 % chance that they are mafia but reading their filters is just not worth it for different reasons. I am not a masochist.
Jealous:
People really like his first list post - I will not quote it here since it would bloat this post because he said Hapa was town and that I would not go against Vivax mayor campaign. I think both of these things can easily be done by mafia. Especially since he is not applying this logic consistently as can be seen in his treatment of CC later.
He is also not consistent in the way he goes about the 2 day1 claims:
On March 06 2024 09:20 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 09:14 Jealous wrote:So, here is what I found in Koshi's filter re: Trfel. + Show Spoiler [Koshi x Trfel] +On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first. rayn or marv. Let's go big. On March 05 2024 08:01 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players. Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody. On March 05 2024 10:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 09:52 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions. On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play) Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play. For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out. He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that. On March 05 2024 20:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oatsmaster - probs town
DarthPunk - townish
Vivax - town
sandroba - town
Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game
marvellosity - town
Jealous - not posted
Meapak_Ziphh - townish
Palmar - not posted
justanothertownie - not posted
die_meatbaby - town
CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps?
JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him
Hapahauli - not posted
Iamperfection - town
Koshi - meh, useless
ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish
VisceraEyes - scummy, useless
Rels - useless
Alakaslam - town This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course. On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. --- Tangentially related: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=96#1906So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because: 1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ. 2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange. 3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further. Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb. Look at the Sandro case I posted a little while ago. Yea, I keep forgetting to refresh after writing something and before I ask for stuff. Saw several posts on the previous page, gonna re-read them again. Thanks! Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:16 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 09:14 Jealous wrote:So, here is what I found in Koshi's filter re: Trfel. + Show Spoiler [Koshi x Trfel] +On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first. rayn or marv. Let's go big. On March 05 2024 08:01 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players. Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody. On March 05 2024 10:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 09:52 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions. On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play) Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play. For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out. He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that. On March 05 2024 20:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oatsmaster - probs town
DarthPunk - townish
Vivax - town
sandroba - town
Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game
marvellosity - town
Jealous - not posted
Meapak_Ziphh - townish
Palmar - not posted
justanothertownie - not posted
die_meatbaby - town
CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps?
JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him
Hapahauli - not posted
Iamperfection - town
Koshi - meh, useless
ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish
VisceraEyes - scummy, useless
Rels - useless
Alakaslam - town This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course. On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. --- Tangentially related: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=96#1906So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because: 1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ. 2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange. 3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further. Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb. The only thing that bugs me when you write is that you actually go and look so hard into Slam well knowing he claimed cop. The only natural reaction would be 'meh, self-resolving' yet you still seem to believe there's something to be found and worth pursuing. So if he flips mafia at some point it'd make you look worse tbh. Ooh, I guess I didn't catch that; my bad on that. My eyes must have glazed over while reading his word salad, plus there is the issue of CopCake's name making that word not stand out as much as it probably should have (and sometimes being abbreviated as CC and sometimes not). Will go dive into that after I catch up on the JAT stuff. To be clear, if Alakaslam claimed cop role and there were no counter-claims by anyone, then yea, not gonna lynch him D1. If I can't get a read on him then that means that I can't really have much conviction in the fact that he is fake-claiming. Better safe than sorry.
This looks like an overexplanation to me. I mean of course it is different since he said he was scumreading slam but you can at this point just say - he claimed so he is town until cc. With Vivax it is really different:
On March 06 2024 11:40 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:37 Trfel wrote:On March 06 2024 11:36 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 11:35 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 11:32 Trfel wrote:
Why is die_meatbaby mafia? I really didn't think she was suspicious at all, she seemed far more reasonable than last game. Would be very hesitant to suspect her.
May actually be worth taking another look at Vivax because he should know this. I called dp mafia... I was to lazy to quote and stuff and two sentences wasn´t enough for oats and Dp. I am not happy with both wagons (both pushed by dp) and I still voted one of the two wagons But I shouldn´t because not wasting my vote makes me scummy. and i my called people stupid that makes me more scummy Would like to hear from other people's perspectives but this really really REALLY does not sound like mafia. Look at Vivax/iamperfection, that's the best I have. With Vivax claiming JK on D1 with no counter-claim, what percentage chance is there that scum!Vivax actually does that and gets away with it? If I understood the premise correctly, I expect it to be about 0%. Am I missing something?
On March 07 2024 03:58 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 03:55 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:43 Jealous wrote:
So QED CopCake, even if town, is being more of a hindrance than a beneficial force.
The same was true for Vivax yesterday - did you push him for it? And that is only one example. Disagree, with the KP claim I basically had to assume he had to be town because a gambit of that level as scum just seems too insane/suicidal. So, I have to operate on the logic that Vivax is town and try to find scum instead. If things don't improve with him as mayor/"KP" long-term, then I'll have to consider abandoning my hypothesis.
Seems like he is struggling a bit to justify getting off slam.
He also never questioned the Oats lynch and lauded MZ for trying to shut down anything else:
On March 07 2024 23:15 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 20:45 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 15:05 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 14:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Everyone read post on MZ I didn't like some of MZ's earlier posts. I too wished they had explained their TRs in that most recent list, and an explanation for the CopCake flip would have been great, too. However, I really like this immediate jump on CopCake for being so insistent on grilling Alakaslam. And none of that really changes anything for me for this cycle as of now, so yea, good night. I disagree completely. Why is it protown to shut down discussion about the claimant and the check? Are we supposed to all just park our vote for 72 hours and go afk? To me what CopCake did here is objectively 100 % the correct way to approach this. It is lazy and not town oriented to go after this. I think it says more about MZs alignment than CCs but the tendency is exactly the opposite of what you are saying in my opinion. It makes MZ look really bad and CC slightly better. Because as I see it, there is only one correct answer for how to approach this cycle and lynch, and spending so much effort grilling Slam about it is just trying to sow seeds of chaos for no reason, which only serves to benefit our only scum flip. Thus, the fact that MZ jumped in and tried to shut that shit down looks good on them. I would say that about anyone who did that. MZ really sunk their teeth into it, too - even though they probably didn't have to. Perhaps I am missing something; is there any world you see where we don't lynch Oats? What would need to happen for that to be the case, what would be the town's collective reasoning for that? Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 20:52 justanothertownie wrote:
I still think Oats is quite towny btw. - also in his reaction to the check. Still 100 % the lynch today but it would not surprise me if he flipped Miller. Okay, glad I remembered to keep reading before responding. However, if that is what your opinion is, I guess I don't understand seeing Cop in a favorable light when they claim to not see a world where Slam was scum in the first place but chose to grill Slam anyway. Is this a person who just doesn't understand how the game works at all, or is it just a scummy player doing scummy things yet again? This might be bias, but compare it to how Koshi just did basically the same thing but in a more productive way. I do have to say that I am surprised that he is approaching the topic from this angle at all, but the way he is doing it is way better than just repeating "WHY OATS SLAM?!?" and then looking like you don't understand that there is a small chance that Oats is Miller or Slam is being a madman scum.
Like I already said, while lynching oats was always the correct thing to do as town here. I fully expect most of the mafia players to not make themselves look bad by trying to derail. Especially not newer mafia players like Jealous who might be uncomfortable playing mafia.
He also had this weird interactions with Oats where he made listposts of Oats reads. More odd than scummy tbh. but why do that for Oats and not other people? They only had some very superficial interactions apart from that where Jealous was asking oats "where are you at? who is mafia?". Lost that post right now.
More egregious is however how different he treats me and CC. He is basically harddefending me at times for being against the Vivax mayor election:
On March 06 2024 09:32 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:03 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. I disagree. Trfel last game was pretty similar to this, he did some burst of activity then vanished for a while. I was suspicious of him all the way through d1/n1 because of the structuring of his posts and they style of his activity. He was not a high volume poster and conviction was not his forte. He basically had the game figured out d3 but wasn't pushing any of it. It took me some deep diving to actually identify he was correct on everything. I think it's stupid to look into him as the quality of what he has posted has been very good so far. If he is mafia it will be hard for him to keep up as the game progresses and he has to justify hard positions and keep up appearances. My current suspect list is palmar/jat/rels, rels being the one I feel less strongly about. Palmar looks more and more tame and awful every time he posts. JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia. I mean, this is a great post by sandroba, and an example for why I have them as one of my top town reads. I see what they're saying. I just still struggle to see JAT fighting so hard against a Vivax mayor campaign for so long because it looks so bad. Does the scum team not try to stop him and say "hey, this isn't really a good idea and looks bad?" Does JAT just ignore his scum team and go rogue? It just doesn't seem like it makes sense, and I know that they've played a lot of games... Does a veteran player really do all that, knowing the attention it will bring to their position? So, for now, going to ##Vote: Trfel and revisit Alakaslam to see exactly when and where they cop-claimed.
On March 07 2024 08:57 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 08:36 Vivax wrote:On March 07 2024 08:25 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 07:30 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 09:32 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 09:03 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:
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Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie.
The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed
It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake.
I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example
Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. I disagree. Trfel last game was pretty similar to this, he did some burst of activity then vanished for a while. I was suspicious of him all the way through d1/n1 because of the structuring of his posts and they style of his activity. He was not a high volume poster and conviction was not his forte. He basically had the game figured out d3 but wasn't pushing any of it. It took me some deep diving to actually identify he was correct on everything. I think it's stupid to look into him as the quality of what he has posted has been very good so far. If he is mafia it will be hard for him to keep up as the game progresses and he has to justify hard positions and keep up appearances. My current suspect list is palmar/jat/rels, rels being the one I feel less strongly about. Palmar looks more and more tame and awful every time he posts. JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia. I mean, this is a great post by sandroba, and an example for why I have them as one of my top town reads. I see what they're saying. I just still struggle to see JAT fighting so hard against a Vivax mayor campaign for so long because it looks so bad. Does the scum team not try to stop him and say "hey, this isn't really a good idea and looks bad?" Does JAT just ignore his scum team and go rogue? It just doesn't seem like it makes sense, and I know that they've played a lot of games... Does a veteran player really do all that, knowing the attention it will bring to their position? So, for now, going to ##Vote: Trfel and revisit Alakaslam to see exactly when and where they cop-claimed. He highly praises Sandro for something that is strictly a JAT case, then votes Trfel because of claim wifom. There's going to be mafia that just mayored the claim, and mafia that didn't or even fought it. Hard truth. I mean, I explained why I thought that even though sandroba's push against JAT reflects well on sandroba, I still find it too outlandish to vote JAT over Trfel who was just largely absent. If the options are JAT and Trfel and the people I townread are pushing for these two, I'm not going to pick someone else? If Trfel indeed flipped scum and I didn't vote for them at this juncture, would look pretty stupid and would make town waste a lot of time making a case against someone who I know is town (me). That's not in my best interest as town. I guess in theory I could have tried to push harder for CopCake/rayn but there was no traction there and in the end they are just an "I can't understand this person"/D1 read, respectively. So, not much motivation to try and disrupt plans laid out by my strongest townreads. I don't think it was as clearly cut as you put it. I believe that anyone fighting for Trfel to be lynched in the end has a massively high probabiliy to be town while scum was mostly absent after parking. It indicates that they at least believed in what they were voting. I don't see any indication that you believed your vote would hit mafia at any point. You just walked into the store and grabbed your preferred lynch among the shelves that people put closest to you and walked out. Where's any conviction behind what you said? No second guessing yourself ? I believed in the town!people who believed that the Trfel vote would hit mafia more than I believed that scum!JAT would paint a target on his back by pushing against your claim/town nature so strongly, and more than I believed in my analysis after catching up on 100+ pages (versus the analysis of people who digested the information in real-time).
Copcake however is mafia for doing basically the same thing.
On March 07 2024 09:38 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote:@ Jealous I believed in the town!people who believed that the Trfel vote would hit mafia more than I believed that scum!JAT would paint a target on his back by pushing against your claim/town nature so strongly, and more than I believed in my analysis after catching up on 100+ pages (versus the analysis of people who digested the information in real-time).
Tsk.Tsk. But you put copcake into your scumreads. You can't sell to anyone in this game that copcake put less effort than JAT into doubting my claim and making me mafia and at the very least it's the same degree of effort. It was my genuine impression. He seemed to be driving that train of thought based on how I read it. Meanwhile... Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote:
Why didn't you use this type of argument on her like you did on JAT if it's all it took to make you favour Trfel over JAT?
I believe this makes you caught buddy. Had to dive to see when exactly she jumped on that train because I am pretty certain it wasn't her starting it and I see this: Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:56 CopCake wrote:
I also do not understand the whole vivax is town because he claimed jailkeeper because that is bullshit.
Not because the logic of the whole scenario but because I think he is the type of player to be insane enough as mafia to do something like that. So, sure, she agrees with it, but she is just sheeping IMO. I don't think a scum!JAT is dumb enough to put himself under the line of fire for this take. But I can see scum!CopCake sheeping him once he does and hoping to make something out of nothing. Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote:Not just that:
On March 05 2024 04:42 sandroba wrote:
Why are you trying to keep this useless trash nai discussion going CopCake?
This is a post you wholeheartedly agreed with. But the useless nai trash discussion is also what you used to justify not voting JAT. Mostly referring to the call-out by sandroba itself and her posting being a part of what I found to be mostly trash posting in general up until that point, including the tea party, sharks, townreading the two people she invited to her tea party basically immediately, etc.
On March 11 2024 13:51 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:47 Vivax wrote:
She doubted my claim all the time during D1 but that doesn‘t earn her a free townread from Jealous ? Why for Jat then. Because JAT made the case when it didn't make sense to do so as scum because it painted a target on his back, she sheeped it and came out unscathed, and she has proven that she doesn't know how to read, so her sheeping it is NAI at best, optimistic scum at worst.
I don't think the characterization of her sheeping me on anything is fair.
Since then it has been a proper CopCake tunnel.
And he really tunnels hard here.The only other people he has voted this game are Trfel and Oats (after the check). I think he has a hard time changing his reads/is very static about them, which is something mafia players tend to struggle with. He is not ruffling any feathers all game with one specific exception and that is Copcake. Massive effort if he is mafia though - respect. And sorry Vivax for not seeing this earlier.
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This took so long I fully intend to skip Koshi as well. Literally no reason to read that filter.
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On March 14 2024 22:38 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:52 sandroba wrote:On March 06 2024 11:08 sandroba wrote:On March 06 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... This is a scumslip word nr.4 today. Thank you love to improve my english Maybe just tired and annoyed about stupid people here. Either wagons are not a good D1 lynch Like is this for real? Annoyed at stupid people when she does not have a better lynch and isn't even saying she is confident the wagons are town? given the context that dmb doesn't think both wagons are townie and she finds d1 lynches to be always bad, do you think it is reasonable she is saying this? Does Oats call scum!dmb out for scumslipping here? Idk Where is dmb btw, she is freeriding this day too hard.
I literally pointed that out days ago. It is the biggest reason for why dmb has always been in my poe. I can totally see Oats thinking she actually scumslipped and pushing that. He shows no mercy.
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On March 09 2024 22:13 justanothertownie wrote:DMB: He is attacking her a lot. The question is - is it distancing or is that the townie he decided to push? Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:26 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:03 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2024 10:00 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 01:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:16 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 05 2024 20:02 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:
So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about.
Oatsmaster
Both initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this:
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Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing.
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There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor".
It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything.
VisceraEyes
Part of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read.
But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him.
Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good.
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I have zero interest in lynching VE today.
DMB
So I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point.
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She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game.
She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though.
But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed.
Sorry for not having you in my list post. You had like one page on you Filter. You came in the game after like 60 Pages or something. You posted some good one liners that i actually liked. Especially that one that either people should vote Vivax for mayjor or for lynch. That one made think a litte bit about the other players here. I understand that people think the claim is a scum move but why do they not lynch him when they are not voting him as mayjor either?Still it was to less posting from you to make any kind of opinions on your aligment. I can just say I was not suspicious about your few posts just kinda liked them. Atm you are more likely Town for me, but beware, this can change quickly Out of all the posts in the past like 12 hours DMB chooses this one to respond to, fence sits and doesn’t apply any of the bolded section to her list post earlier so where does that thinking even come out? Normaly i have day off, but somebody is sick and I had to come in fast. Didn't have much time to read. Btw list Was requested by rels. No answer from him atm So what have you learned from the bolded section? I have already used a translator 3 times, which means I have learnt 3 new words in English But for real I think the lynch is goeing in a wrong direction so what are you going to do? I don´t know, but I will not vote for Trfl right now. I don´t see any majorly scum shit at his filter. He plays like in the last game and he was actually doeing amzing as Town last game. So I would not like to loss him if he is Town. Actually I would like to vote on DP because he seems more scummy for me in this game, but that would be a usless vote... Vote: Justanothertownie So is this just a poe not trfel so jat? Or what is this? Ironic, since he never even gave a reason to vote me. Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... This is a scumslip Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:59 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:51 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 10:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... This is a scumslip I don't see it. Reasonable town lynch ie jat is town Is that a stretch though, could be ESL What’s the difficulty? She’s callling the lynch town AND shes on it Can you read? I didn´t say JAT is Town i just said I am not happy with both wagons. Should I waste my vote. Did it in my first game. OPEN YOU EYES AND READ CORRECTLY PLS You literally said that DP is searching for a reasonable town lynch when referring to him talking about his wagon. Lol this is hilarious How likely is it that oats thought this was a genuine slip (he knows dmb is mafia and I am town) and that is why he went after that and ignored the supposed Koshi slip? If my memory of his play is correct pushing his buddy like that would be a 100 % Oats thing to do. Same with the general accusation of tmi: Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 12:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Regardless of what I think about cake, but it seems to me that he picks weaker players to annoy until they make a mistake because of beeing annoyd and then he can push the wagon that comes up. Why he didn´t do that do players like Koshi, marv or rayn. They wouldn´t fear Dp.
This is so Tmi it’s crazy, she knows that these players are town or what??
Especially since he did not give a rats ass about the supposed scumslip of Koshi.
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On March 14 2024 22:38 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 22:14 Koshi wrote:
Did Oats leave to give JAT wagon space and start the second town wagon? Good catch
Only to then return when it got close?
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On March 14 2024 22:45 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 22:43 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 22:38 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 22:14 Koshi wrote:
Did Oats leave to give JAT wagon space and start the second town wagon? Good catch Only to then return when it got close? He closed his trfel option off, he needed a new one in case you could really get lynched
I repeat - to then return to me when it got close between Trfel and myself?
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On March 14 2024 22:48 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 22:47 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 22:45 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 22:43 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 22:38 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 22:14 Koshi wrote:
Did Oats leave to give JAT wagon space and start the second town wagon? Good catch Only to then return when it got close? He closed his trfel option off, he needed a new one in case you could really get lynched I repeat - to then return to me when it got close between Trfel and myself? Close doesn‘t get you lynched, he could hop back to dmb if the votes required him to.
Yeah, I don't think that makes a lot of sense. Would look really bad.
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On March 14 2024 22:49 Vivax wrote:
Meta wise your filter is too small jat. Iirc you are a very prolific townie
I refer you to the post I directed at DP earlier. Fuck off. My filter is quite large - it is not my fault that other people are even spammier. Your meta is 10 years old.
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On March 14 2024 22:50 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 22:49 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 22:48 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 22:47 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 22:45 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 22:43 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 22:38 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 22:14 Koshi wrote:
Did Oats leave to give JAT wagon space and start the second town wagon? Good catch Only to then return when it got close? He closed his trfel option off, he needed a new one in case you could really get lynched I repeat - to then return to me when it got close between Trfel and myself? Close doesn‘t get you lynched, he could hop back to dmb if the votes required him to. Yeah, I don't think that makes a lot of sense. Would look really bad. After your flip you mean?
No, immediately. Wasting your vote never looks good. Of course if I was mafia and lynched it would look even more terrible.
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On March 14 2024 22:51 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 22:51 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 22:49 Vivax wrote:
Meta wise your filter is too small jat. Iirc you are a very prolific townie I refer you to the post I directed at DP earlier. Fuck off. My filter is quite large - it is not my fault that other people are even spammier. Your meta is 10 years old. Fuck off to whom though
Not to Palmar ideally. I would compromise on Jealous right now. Think you have been on the right track here. Reading MZ now.
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On March 14 2024 22:52 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 22:47 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 22:45 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 22:43 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 22:38 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 22:14 Koshi wrote:
Did Oats leave to give JAT wagon space and start the second town wagon? Good catch Only to then return when it got close? He closed his trfel option off, he needed a new one in case you could really get lynched I repeat - to then return to me when it got close between Trfel and myself? "Close" I didnt check timestamps but next votecount was like 11 vs 6
He made it 9:7 when he voted me again.
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MZ:
He has some pretty rough interactions with the 2 flipped mafia:
On March 05 2024 00:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Terrible post, care to explain this read?
On March 05 2024 00:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 15:37 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 15:36 Alakaslam wrote:
Oats and DP scum for scraping the bottom of the barrel?
Do either of you even have mayor picks of your own?
This is why I prefer Rayn, on like 5 posts, to either of you.
Yeesh.
Tothesky is some dude I have never seen before. Idk, I give Oats a pass for being new here? And not knowing the oh so called meta? Darth on the other hand, feels odd. Oats is definitely not new.
At the very least the TTS post would be kind of a dickmove if they are buddies. Since I assume TTS struggled a lot with this game.
His first read progression on CC is sooo out there. Tinfoil hat insane.
On March 05 2024 11:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:I wanna get back to the lynch discussion because I want opinions on these posts from cake: Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 10:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 05 2024 02:22 CopCake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +In addition to voting on a day 1 lynch, players will be voting for a Mayor. Prior to the end of day 1, the leading candidates for Mayor should pm me a name of their choosing to be killed alongside the day 1 lynch. If no name is sent in then nobody will be killed. After the election, 3 players will be randomized to become bodyguards. I will PM you if you become a bodyguard. The Mayor will be immune to KP (but still susceptible to lynch) until all town aligned bodyguards are killed. I think mayor should not kill, right? on the first couple of days I mean. Also I noticed there is a framer, holy shit, I have to step up my game because LOL, I would have loved to have beeeeennnn mafia in this game, so much beautifulness I could have done with a role like that in my teaaammmmmmm. I absolutely hate this post, cake we have no idea if that role exists and it just seems like you're feeling a bit of pressure so you're already worrying about a potential red check. Like nobody has discussed the possibility of a framer at all up until this point and you bring it up out of the blue. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 10:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 05 2024 04:03 CopCake wrote:
I think that Vivax is angry because he claimed and he might lose mayor so he is going to die at night.
And if he doesnt die, then he fake claimed.
Because why would mafia lose an opportunity like that, right?
I don't like this post, this reads like a prelude to the scum team not killing vivax if he doesn't win mayor and then you waltz in D2 claiming "oh he must be scum bc scum would have killed a claimed blue." If vivax loses mayor and doesn't die it's pure NK WIFOM at that point. Trying to pre stage a push on him suggests you know he's not gonna die if he's not mayor. This is making me even more comfortable Vivax is town since I have a scum read on you rn cake. Both of these come across as borderline TMI to me as well as prepping for a potential red check on her and a potential a mislynch on Vivax assuming he's town. I can't figure out a townie mindset where someone would make these posts.
On March 06 2024 09:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:59 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 08:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I just finished debriefing, I'm still at work and can't catch up on 600 posts. Can a couple of people please summarize what's happened? Palmar mafia, palmar maybe not mafia. Jat and Trfel maybe mafia Marv looking sexy in Speedos Breezing through the voting thread it looks like JAT and Trfel are the options, I see a couple of my town reads on Trfel but I had him as town very early on. If nobody can give me a convincing reason why JAT is town I'm probably gonna vote him as I don't recall being impressed by anything he posted up through last night. Still trying to get through shit at work but I'll check my phone until the deadline.
This is fine.
On March 06 2024 11:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:This is a rough post but I am going to put my vote on JAT before I read Trfel. My problem isn't with how he responded to the vivax mayor stuff, in fact he does a better job than some people did at articulating his concerns, my problem comes with his "POE scum list" and how easily that rolled into a Trfel vote for self preservation. + Show Spoiler +I used to love post by post analysis reads but now I hate them, however given the situation this is how I’m rolling with JAT. Two piles, love or hate. Let’s read. GoodOn March 05 2024 08:03 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:59 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 07:58 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that. How is he getting more power? He is just immune to night kill, if he was getting a double vote for the rest of the game that is a different story. Having our jailkeeper with night kill immunity is really fucking powerful, at worst it soaks a rb for the rest of the game, at best it is just literally broken. It puts mafia in all sorts of uncomfortable positions where they are fucked if the RB gets lynched or shot. The vig shot or whatever can be negotiated, but I don't think vivax is bad as town regardless, and he is basically confirmed town. Why would I roll the dice on anyone who is NOT confirmed town. Rayn, marv and sandro are NOT confirmed town. Lets be real here for a second. Vivax is also not confirmed town. Wrong. CC me or go away Nobody will CC you on day1 if you have fakeclaimed (if we even have a Jailkeeper in that case). Not unless it looks like you are actually being elected and even then I am unsure if that would be the correct play. This is probably the only decent counter argument to the Vivax mayor thing, even if I disagree with it, he’s at least thinking and not just going REEE bc he hate Vivax’s claim On March 06 2024 05:56 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia. Is that still all you have on me, sandro? I think I explained all I have done here more than sufficiently. Unlike you, I think the mayor vote is quite important. I post the same thing to you as I did to Rayn - what am I supposed to do about it at this point? The post you quote is not disinterested or complacent. It is rather resignating/annoyed. Of course I do not have very good reasoning for Vivax being mafia - I never even called him mafia in the first place. I just don't agree that the claim makes him confirmed town or even more likely town than Koshi. I think that your characterization does not fit my play at all. I think this is a reasonable response to sandroba, I don’t think he’s right with his reasoning but I can see where he’s coming from. badOn March 05 2024 07:31 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:27 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:24 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 07:20 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:17 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:
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Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. Who even tracks how much they are in lylo situations. 11/4 really? Is this supposed to convince anybody? In that case: In the last 5 games I have been nkilled 3 times on N1, 1 time on N2 and I was once mafia. Pretty sure my reads were okish during those 4 towngames and on top I was lock town always. So unless you guys are going to attempt to say I am potential mafia. I am a good pick. But I think I like vivax for town mayor. Let mafia waste their RB on him. We might get the RB and then have a fully protected blue role. Pretty awesome. I am not ever going to vote this shitshow mason trash marv/rayn dumbfuck thing. Not ever. I wonder what mafia thinks of a mayor that is jailkeeper tbh. Somewhat frightening for sure. If they have a RB they would be quite happy about it I assume. They are for sure not unhappy. But it HAPPENED. So what is the smartest move now? Make the shitshow rayn mayor? Or an actual blue role. Do you want our bluerole shot on N? Tbh I'd rather see Vivax die in the night than being mayor. At least if I am convinced of a good candidate. out of spite? Vivax is a very capable town player. Not out of spite. But he will not be calm/collected/respected enough to be a helpful presence I fear. Even if we believe the claim. Bad for many reasons On March 05 2024 07:50 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:47 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? The arrogance of the mason buddies knows no limit. Better not question them and just obey. Their disdain for the common man is indeed outrageous. How dare they treat us this way. Weird to even sarcastically agree with this after you already said you liked their town circle On March 06 2024 02:36 justanothertownie wrote:
Would have to PoE at this point. Probably someone in this pool:
Trfel
Jealous
MZ
JS
Hapa
TTS
VE
Slam
Would have to narrow it down somehow. Not meant as an OMGUS here but this is a super easy post for scum to make since he pretty much called out the lukers and slam. Sandroba actually calls this oout On March 06 2024 07:11 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:08 DarthPunk wrote:
Vote: JAT
Talk to me about someone that isn't palmar or vivax. Like what? Trfel is in my POE. Not the worst lynch if it comes to it but I really see no reason to abandon this Palmar lynch right now. Terrible, absolutely no progression of how you actually processed your eliminations to come up with Trfel as your read.
I still absolutely hate this post. I had posted a PoE list. Trfel was in it. I was being wagoned with Trfel as the other wagon. What on earth is hard to understand about this? I am not sure it makes him mafia anymore rather than unattentive but come on man.
On March 07 2024 13:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 13:03 DarthPunk wrote:
I got masoned by Jealous.
So Koshi got his wish and maybe I will post a bit less.
I masoned Palmar because I wanted to poke him into posting more.
Towny thought. Misjudged Palmar. He should have known better after obsing Winter Warfare mafia though.
On March 07 2024 22:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 06:11 Koshi wrote:
Oats is town for the scumslip thing on Cake. In addition I like how he didn't vote Tfrel when iamp and DP went for him.
Vivax is so town for keeping up with the thread. And he saw the same rage after flip from CC as I did.
big oooooffff on iamp replying to tfrel on the mental health issues. That can't come from mafia iamp.
Copcake seems genuine upset after the lynch. Solidifies my townread on her. Also her scumreads are people who will be killed in the next 2 nights. It will be glorious to see her posts on D3.
JAT made a scumcase on my 2 scums. Good stuff.
Town!MZ would have been angered by the 2 townflips. His first post after the lynch is 2 pages further and starts with lmfo. He is a prime candidate for mafia.
Rels posts read uninterested. Good case from JAT on Rels. I'm taking it your scum read is here, bc you didn't like the way I reacted to the lynch? I was extremely frustrated with people lynching someone I had a townread on and also frustrated that I've spent most of the game playing catchup on the thread. I feel like every time I've pointed out stuff that I view is scummy, nobody responds and when I ask people direct questions they just blow me off, Palmar not responding to the whisper is kinda the cherry on top. If you're gonna try to lynch me instead of a literal red check because I said lmfao in a post then I don't think I have anything productive to say to you to change your mind. It feels like the folks who have filtered me only do so bc they want confirmation to their assumption that I'm scum.
Towny annoyance.
Now we get to day2. Initially MZ was all about shouting at people who questioned the claim. I already remarked that I think that is entirely the wrong way to approach this since mafia is more likely to just go along with it. Made him seem mafia to me at the time.
On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him.
On March 07 2024 23:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 23:07 Koshi wrote:On March 07 2024 11:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
A few things:
Slam, Vivax will work out by themselves. Caliin them mafia is completely useless.
Lynch Palmar, lynch VE. After D3 there is noone left to do that anymore and people AGAIN let them slide bewcause noone listen to dead people. Oh. Maybe I shouldnt fuck up and listen to rayn. Ok. It's Oats or Palmar. Think I'll vote Palmar. Your desire to find an alternative to the red check is making you less town by the minute.
On March 07 2024 23:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 23:45 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (10): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, Justanothertownie
die_meatbaby (1): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (6): Vivax, marvellosity, Palmar, Koshi, ToTheStars, VisceraEyes
With 10 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Given the non-voter list rn, I'm not convinced scum is just gonna roll with the red check and move on. I still think there's a chance we see someone try and make #bigplays today which is why I'm so against having this continued discussion on the slam check. Especially since there are people who have called it a good lynch and then not voted for it.
On March 08 2024 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check. BING BING BING I FOUND IT. Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient.
Last post here still makes absolutely 0 sense. He is also being a massive hypocrite since he is questioning the oats lynch later on as well. Also for complaining about people talking about math while talking about math himself. All around erratical and weird.
On March 08 2024 11:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
The egos people have in this game to sit here and try to talk around probability is absurd. Someone doing it is scum.
On March 08 2024 12:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 12:40 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check. BING BING BING I FOUND IT. Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient. Really disagree with this. Unless you're playing the "chaotic town" card, scum absolutely know there is no way Oats will survive the game if he's scum (or if he's town for that matter). We're not even in LYLO, buying one more day doesn't accomplish anything if it comes at the cost of their credibility I think that is naive to think that the town will have the discipline to come back to a red check if they pass it over once. A lot can change in a single day cycle.
On March 09 2024 01:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 01:42 marvellosity wrote:On March 09 2024 01:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 09 2024 01:21 CopCake wrote:
MZ, i dont wanna be mean but I answered your question.
Did it help somehow with your reads? I understand you were confused about slam's choice. I was trying to figure out if that stemmed purely from questioning slam or if it was also driven by a townread of Oats. I think it helped. The biggest thing for me right now are the amount of people who voted Oats while calling him town. People caveating their votes like that is making me second guess some things. At least you decided to scum read him based on the NKs after I asked you the questions yesterday morning. … do you not think he looks town and are you not voting for him? I thought his case on me was a little opportunistic but a lot of the stuff after that has looked better/town than anything else he's posted this game. I am voting him because I think he's going to flip red bc the math says so. Notice I'm not voting him and saying "oh yeah but I think he'll flip town." It's stuff like that which is giving me pause on him tbh, why vote on him when you think he'll flip town. If you think he's gonna flip town as Miller then why are you voting for him. If you think he got framed why are you voting for him. In a vacuum I think he's going to flip red because of how unlikely it is for either of those events to occur. But everyone being so wishy washy with their votes is making me uncomfortable.
On March 09 2024 09:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 09:24 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 09 2024 09:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I don't see how scum palmar puts his joke vote on the only plausible counter wagon if VE is scum too. What do you mean oats had 10 votes voting on scum ve is entirely safe from his perspective. Yeah that is true, and I guess his vote is the only thing that's driving me putting VE ahead of him on the lynch priority right now.
I really do not understand his thought process here. But it is also really really brazen if he is mafia.
The rest of his filter afterward he is looking like he is actively trying to solve the game and struggling with it. Overall, his filter looks much better than I imagined it would when I started this. It might have been because so far I mostly focused on the parts I really dislike, which would be his terrible post about my day1 vote and the crazyness on day2. I think he is town now or at least would not lynch him right now. Massive hypocrite though.
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On March 14 2024 23:44 Koshi wrote:
When Oats was getting lynched. The last 3 on the VE wagon were MZ, iamp and CC.
Now that JAT is lynched. They are all 3 sitting on the opposite wagon as well.
And during d1 none of them joined the JAT wagon except MZ when it was 9-5 for JAT, 8 minutes before deadline, and Oats joined 1 minute after.
What are you saying exactly? That they are mafia and voting as a block? Would be the first time that ever happened.
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On March 15 2024 00:39 Koshi wrote:
I wonder if JAT asking marv to switch to VE was him trying to get Oats not lynched. Because they needed 2 votes.
When did that ever happen? Quotes please.
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On March 15 2024 00:42 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 00:41 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 00:40 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 00:39 Koshi wrote:
I wonder if JAT asking marv to switch to VE was him trying to get Oats not lynched. Because they needed 2 votes. When did that ever happen? Quotes please. I can only do an indirect quote. No I cant cuz I dont want to go search. But somebody recently said: "JAT asked permission on marv to move to Oats"
Ah, somebody said, eh? You are full of shit. With all due respect.
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Both of those posts have nothing to do with what Koshi said.
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On March 15 2024 01:04 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 00:50 iamperfection wrote:
I mean at just a surface level they have been all over the place. Making ridiculous statements but also almost begging to be lynched. Dosnt seem like the most likely scum mindset to me the more I think about it. Yes it's possible but the more and more I think it makes me think CC has a likelihood to be town. Oh okay. I must be playing the game wrong. Sky is green. $evntyfive por cento chance-a-mundo that u r scum. Whiz bang waffle. ##Vote: Jealous^ There's my proof that I'm town.
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Palmar:
Early posts on Oats:
On March 05 2024 06:18 Palmar wrote:
I read like 2 posts of Oats and he's scummy
On March 05 2024 06:22 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:19 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 05 2024 06:18 Palmar wrote:
I read like 2 posts of Oats and he's scummy Then he voted for me and I'm blasting town like everywhere PPPSWSSHHHHHH I agree with you being town. I'm like 2 pages into the game so all my reads are just random feelings right now but I like you, Vivax, iamp and DP. I don't like Oats.
On March 05 2024 19:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 19:45 Koshi wrote:
Glad to see Palmar his Oats read be so lackluster. Makes it less easier to vote him out. I've lynched Oats for being bad town before. I'm perfectly willing to listen to ideas for other people to kill.
Looks fine. I don't even mind him letting other people talk him out of it. I definitely also lynched Oats for being bad town in the past.
On March 05 2024 22:12 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread. It looks really, really bad for you guys that you're all just checked out of the game but claim to be active in the thread. At least be a man and just actually check out of the game like me. Whoever is town of you three needs to start getting shit done in the thread.
Bold post to make as mafia now that we know the masons were all town. And I also fully agree with the sentiment.
On March 05 2024 23:05 Palmar wrote:
Dumbest scumread ever is that TTS just casually assumed he'd be alive by day 4 or something.
Also even talking about a random voting stage like we're some plebeian third world mafia site is pretty scummy.
But he's done nothing so there's no read. Good policy lynch though.
Another good read.
On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote:
This is just random and for post-game purposes.
We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective).
1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question
2) TTS - Complete inactivity
3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia
4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why
But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad.
This was pointed out and I thought it was a good point when it happened. Why the added justification for Hapa but not for TTS.
On March 06 2024 19:03 Palmar wrote:This is a good call.
He later supports a vig on TTS though. So that is fine. I did that too btw.
On March 06 2024 23:25 justanothertownie wrote:
Btw. I agree with whoever said it that TTS would be a prime vig target.
On March 07 2024 00:12 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 22:35 Palmar wrote:
It's so enjoyable watching rayn hammering someone other than yourself.
Go rayn! youre still scum. until you explain how in your head mafia rayn masoned mafia marv (1min into the game) masoned town sandroba. until you tell us why VE is mafia, because he is You see, I understand this is a stretch for you but I am capable of holding multiple options in my head at any moment. We had this argument last game as well, where you were mafia trying to hammer me for exactly the same logic. I do not make associative readsSo, I can think at some point that marv is mafia, and I can independently think you are mafia, and even if I agree that it's unlikely you'd do a stunt like that, that doesn't change my individual conclusions. Now I'm not even sure marv is mafia, hell I'm not even sure you're mafia, I really liked you going after copcake just now. Remember, we HAD THIS ARGUMENT last game, and you were the mafia and I was the town there. I do not make associative reads and I do not care about links like this. I just individually consider players and accept that sometimes I'm wrong. If marv is scum and you're town, that makes the mason thing suddenly not weird at all, same with the other direction, could just be a stunt you pull. It really doesn't matter to me, that's not how I think about the game. Also I kinda agree VE has fallen off a cliff in my opinion. I kinda wrote him off and haven't filter dived him mostly for that tonal read that he was enjoying himself, but since then he has stopped enjoying playing... so... that no longer applies?
I think I buy that post in hindsight. They really did have that argument in the last game. The thing about associative reads though. Proceeds to make an associative reads in Iamp and me.
On March 14 2024 07:40 Palmar wrote:
I'm going to vote for jat now.
Koshi can you do it with me, feel free to go back to me later, but I want to build a small wagon on jat.
I just went quickly through jat and iamps filters. They talk a bunch with each other, but give almost no reads on each other. iamp was in some list post by jat at some point, but that was really about it. I searched for "iamp" and "jat" in each other's filter, so if they use a different name it might be wrong.
Basically, at almost no point have these two given an "hey I think this guy is X because of X" on each other. It's all just quoting each other in discussions, usually about a third party.
So here's a thing
1) @iamp: what do you think of jat and why. I know you think I'm mafia, but even if I am you'd still have to find 2 more people. Go make a towncase if he's town and scumcase if you think he's scum.
2) @jat: what do you think of iamp and why? I'm not actually up to date on your stance on me, but I remember you sheeping marv's read quite hard so you may be one of the few people who think I'm town. So go ahead and make sense of iamp, tell me if I'm wrong.
This is one of the worst things he did:
On March 09 2024 07:54 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 07:54 Koshi wrote:On March 09 2024 07:53 Palmar wrote:
It's 10v4 now with copcake doing some dumbassery on the sidelines. It literally says 5 mafia in OP bro. Dont try your fake ass dumbtell twice. I'm talking about the votes 10 on Oats 4 on VE
Proceeds to vote VE despite knowing full well it is 100 % the wrong play. This is his justification:
On March 13 2024 21:41 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 21:21 iamperfection wrote:On March 13 2024 21:20 Palmar wrote:
Think it's a little towny of mz to call me mafia.
What's your view of koshi. I have listened too much to Koshi this game. I felt like he had thread presence where I lacked it so I've kinda deferred to him. This was especially noticeable on day 1 where I kinda dropped my Oats thing because of his towncase and day 2 where despite writing with every post I made that we needed to lynch Oats, I let my annoyance of VE and Oats legendary defense convinvce me to just go fuck it and vote VE. That was a stupid decision.
Which is just... weak. Palmar of all people should know better.
The thing I dislike apart from that is his how he treated me all game. But I know it is unfortunately not very telling about his alignment. He just has this hardon for pushing me regardless of his alignment. Still would like him to apply a bit more fairness. He attacks me for having no justification to vote him except sheeping marv. Which he knows fully well is a very reasonable thing to do. I pointed this out in my night1 analysis already.
On March 05 2024 23:13 Palmar wrote:JAT looks pretty bad. He has said pretty much nothing about me except that comment about not agreeing with my logic on how Vivax needs to be treated, which isn't alignment indicative. And he's trying to kill me. And his filter is shorter than mine so he can't even claim lurker lynch
He even uses the same argument himself:
On March 13 2024 22:11 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 22:04 iamperfection wrote:On March 13 2024 22:00 Palmar wrote:
By the way I feel like I've noticed you getting hung on weird stuff that is completely expected several times this game iamp.
The only reason I'm givivng you a tiny town read is that I think I'm sheeping marv. ? You have played with me before why do you have to sheep marv See this is the kinda shit that bothers me. Why wouldn't I sheep marv? He's a really, really good town player that I respect. What on earth is weird about that?
I feel like if he is town he is just defaulting to calling me mafia since he is too lazy to actually put in the effort to find mafia. This post illustrates that quite well:
On March 14 2024 18:48 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 12:36 Rels wrote:On March 12 2024 22:09 Palmar wrote:On March 12 2024 21:54 justanothertownie wrote:
But he can defend himself if he is town. He is a big, very important boy. Yeah no worries. It's actually kinda fun. The one thing I need, and I need other people to back me up on this. I am going to ask people why they think I am mafia, and I'm going to do it aggressively. Here's a very important point. Even if I was mafia, my teammates would absolutely want to get in on the "bus". This means that they would have to come up with good reasons to attack me. So even if townies agree that I must be mafia, be vary of who is on the train with you. And of course keep an open mind. The worst thing that can happen if I get under heavy fire is that town just shuts up and does it quietly. Essentially, if people want to hold hands and try to lynch me, I'm going to make them work for it, and in the process there is going to be a lot of information generated in the thread. The last 2 days have been pretty bad in terms of information. Oats played well but was mafia so it can all be discarded, and VE just didn't even try. That won't be the case if I'm the target. Where is this happening???? You're voting for JAT, the player that probably townreads you the most in the game I am absolutely developing reads throughout this day. I've added Koshi and you to my town circle, downgraded iamp to possible mafia, come back around on thinking jat has to be mafia.
Apart from that I have collected a big bunch of posts where I either like his tone or where he is policing the thread in a very calm and pro town way:
On March 05 2024 06:23 Palmar wrote:
I really, really, really despise the fact that I can't just click "All" and "ctrl+f palmar" because you assholes spammed this game into oblivion. I really am mostly interested in people talking about me.
On March 05 2024 23:58 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Not a damn thing. I don't want to be a buzz kill or anything, but I literally cannot bring myself to even try every time I sit down and try to start You don't actually have to read the thread, god knows I haven't. Just start talking with people. Mafia is incredibly hard and these people spam like their life depends on it. You just kinda have to accept that you're not playing at 100% capacity and be okay with it.
On March 06 2024 06:58 Palmar wrote:
Also wow this Palmar, 5 pages of filter. Very active and productive town. Maybe don't kill?
On March 06 2024 08:00 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:54 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 07:53 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 07:51 marvellosity wrote:
Is Palmar actually playing?
10 pages behind. I was earlier today as well... Okay. Are you playing better? Can you improve on perfection?
On March 06 2024 18:56 Palmar wrote:
Kinda important for town to not lose hope and devolve into bullshit though. No matter the outcome, at least one (hapa) of the lynches was a good play by policy. No reason to beat ourselves up over taking out trash on day 1. Plenty of time left so just keep morale up and stay positive.
On March 06 2024 19:25 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:46 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 11:44 Alakaslam wrote:On March 06 2024 11:43 DarthPunk wrote:
Why does DMB not post reads.
The last time she was up for lynch as town she spewed town hard. Anger, different more ... Arrogant, playerbase She and vivax hate hubris. ahh thats why we both don´t like Palmar That makes no sense, I am probably the most humble player you will ever meet.
On March 07 2024 01:11 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 01:10 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 01:09 Palmar wrote:On March 07 2024 01:04 iamperfection wrote:
If you both think each other is mafia why is there all this mucking up the thread with each other. Quit bitching, the upper class is having a meeting. Be more respectful toward your betters. Smh Always respectful towards my betters, just haven't met any.
On March 10 2024 08:30 Palmar wrote:
I mean. And tell sober Palmar that he’s lying if he evert tries to dispute this.
The only reason I think Ve may be mafia is because he isn’t having enough fun with me.
On March 10 2024 08:35 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:
What did you and MZ talk about in your discord chat? Idk what chats do so I just asked him to claim blue.
On March 11 2024 19:22 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 18:33 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Yeah like okay this is the world Cop DMB DP and I and VIvax are all town.
Lets even say VE is scum.
Who's the last two? I can't stress enough how important it's to just keep a happy disposition. We're in a stronger than expected position. There is no need to panic, just calmly keep analyzing the game.
Conclusion: Probably still town. In combination with marvs read definitely not a good lynch today. The only thing that I really dislike is the vote for VE on day2 and you could argue that would be stupid mafia play.
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On March 15 2024 01:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 08:32 justanothertownie wrote:
For the record - I think we should look into this pool for lynch tomorrow (no particular order):
CC
MZ
DMB
+ potentially Koshi (he fell off pretty badly since day1, maybe scum Koshi running out of juice? Could & should easily turn up the heat if he is town so some pressure here could be worth it)
I am not feeling the Palmar lynch/I don't think he is mafia. We're gonna keep this post as a sticky not because A) it's one of very few where JAT gives reads abd B) he's gonna contradict it later on Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 22:51 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 22:49 Vivax wrote:
Meta wise your filter is too small jat. Iirc you are a very prolific townie I refer you to the post I directed at DP earlier. Fuck off. My filter is quite large - it is not my fault that other people are even spammier. Your meta is 10 years old. What's funny is for once I actually agree with the mayor, I now know why I haven't really paid attention to JAT since D1 and it's because 90% of his 20 page filter is one liners talking about the state of the game and literally no reads. Like zero reads. He'll occasionally say things like "so and so didn't look good for that." I don't remember if it was DP or iamp who said it but all JAT does is play thread police and not much else. Like I'm truly shocked at the lack of scum hunting in there. Similar to Palmar, he's more active now because he's under the gun (I'm frustrated people are so easily dismissing Palmar right now, the level of lazines he's outwardly admitting in the thread almost makes me feel like he's playing terrible on purpose to show that he can't get lynched and laugh about it post game). But back to JAT, Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 22:30 justanothertownie wrote:I'll start from the top and immediately ignore the first 2 entries. In both cases there is a 0.01 % chance that they are mafia but reading their filters is just not worth it for different reasons. I am not a masochist. Jealous:People really like his first list post - I will not quote it here since it would bloat this post because he said Hapa was town and that I would not go against Vivax mayor campaign. I think both of these things can easily be done by mafia. Especially since he is not applying this logic consistently as can be seen in his treatment of CC later. He is also not consistent in the way he goes about the 2 day1 claims: On March 06 2024 09:20 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 09:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 09:14 Jealous wrote:So, here is what I found in Koshi's filter re: Trfel. + Show Spoiler [Koshi x Trfel] +On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first. rayn or marv. Let's go big. On March 05 2024 08:01 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players. Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody. On March 05 2024 10:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 09:52 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions. On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play) Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play. For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out. He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that. On March 05 2024 20:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oatsmaster - probs town
DarthPunk - townish
Vivax - town
sandroba - town
Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game
marvellosity - town
Jealous - not posted
Meapak_Ziphh - townish
Palmar - not posted
justanothertownie - not posted
die_meatbaby - town
CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps?
JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him
Hapahauli - not posted
Iamperfection - town
Koshi - meh, useless
ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish
VisceraEyes - scummy, useless
Rels - useless
Alakaslam - town This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course. On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. --- Tangentially related: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=96#1906So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because: 1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ. 2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange. 3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further. Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb. Look at the Sandro case I posted a little while ago. Yea, I keep forgetting to refresh after writing something and before I ask for stuff. Saw several posts on the previous page, gonna re-read them again. Thanks! On March 06 2024 09:16 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 09:14 Jealous wrote:So, here is what I found in Koshi's filter re: Trfel. + Show Spoiler [Koshi x Trfel] +On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first. rayn or marv. Let's go big. On March 05 2024 08:01 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players. Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody. On March 05 2024 10:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 09:52 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions. On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play) Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play. For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out. He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that. On March 05 2024 20:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oatsmaster - probs town
DarthPunk - townish
Vivax - town
sandroba - town
Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game
marvellosity - town
Jealous - not posted
Meapak_Ziphh - townish
Palmar - not posted
justanothertownie - not posted
die_meatbaby - town
CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps?
JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him
Hapahauli - not posted
Iamperfection - town
Koshi - meh, useless
ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish
VisceraEyes - scummy, useless
Rels - useless
Alakaslam - town This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course. On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. --- Tangentially related: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=96#1906So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because: 1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ. 2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange. 3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further. Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb. The only thing that bugs me when you write is that you actually go and look so hard into Slam well knowing he claimed cop. The only natural reaction would be 'meh, self-resolving' yet you still seem to believe there's something to be found and worth pursuing. So if he flips mafia at some point it'd make you look worse tbh. Ooh, I guess I didn't catch that; my bad on that. My eyes must have glazed over while reading his word salad, plus there is the issue of CopCake's name making that word not stand out as much as it probably should have (and sometimes being abbreviated as CC and sometimes not). Will go dive into that after I catch up on the JAT stuff. To be clear, if Alakaslam claimed cop role and there were no counter-claims by anyone, then yea, not gonna lynch him D1. If I can't get a read on him then that means that I can't really have much conviction in the fact that he is fake-claiming. Better safe than sorry. This looks like an overexplanation to me. I mean of course it is different since he said he was scumreading slam but you can at this point just say - he claimed so he is town until cc. With Vivax it is really different: On March 06 2024 11:40 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 11:37 Trfel wrote:On March 06 2024 11:36 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 11:35 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 11:32 Trfel wrote:
Why is die_meatbaby mafia? I really didn't think she was suspicious at all, she seemed far more reasonable than last game. Would be very hesitant to suspect her.
May actually be worth taking another look at Vivax because he should know this. I called dp mafia... I was to lazy to quote and stuff and two sentences wasn´t enough for oats and Dp. I am not happy with both wagons (both pushed by dp) and I still voted one of the two wagons But I shouldn´t because not wasting my vote makes me scummy. and i my called people stupid that makes me more scummy Would like to hear from other people's perspectives but this really really REALLY does not sound like mafia. Look at Vivax/iamperfection, that's the best I have. With Vivax claiming JK on D1 with no counter-claim, what percentage chance is there that scum!Vivax actually does that and gets away with it? If I understood the premise correctly, I expect it to be about 0%. Am I missing something? On March 07 2024 03:58 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 03:55 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:43 Jealous wrote:
So QED CopCake, even if town, is being more of a hindrance than a beneficial force.
The same was true for Vivax yesterday - did you push him for it? And that is only one example. Disagree, with the KP claim I basically had to assume he had to be town because a gambit of that level as scum just seems too insane/suicidal. So, I have to operate on the logic that Vivax is town and try to find scum instead. If things don't improve with him as mayor/"KP" long-term, then I'll have to consider abandoning my hypothesis. Seems like he is struggling a bit to justify getting off slam. He also never questioned the Oats lynch and lauded MZ for trying to shut down anything else: On March 07 2024 23:15 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 20:45 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 15:05 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 14:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Everyone read post on MZ I didn't like some of MZ's earlier posts. I too wished they had explained their TRs in that most recent list, and an explanation for the CopCake flip would have been great, too. However, I really like this immediate jump on CopCake for being so insistent on grilling Alakaslam. And none of that really changes anything for me for this cycle as of now, so yea, good night. I disagree completely. Why is it protown to shut down discussion about the claimant and the check? Are we supposed to all just park our vote for 72 hours and go afk? To me what CopCake did here is objectively 100 % the correct way to approach this. It is lazy and not town oriented to go after this. I think it says more about MZs alignment than CCs but the tendency is exactly the opposite of what you are saying in my opinion. It makes MZ look really bad and CC slightly better. Because as I see it, there is only one correct answer for how to approach this cycle and lynch, and spending so much effort grilling Slam about it is just trying to sow seeds of chaos for no reason, which only serves to benefit our only scum flip. Thus, the fact that MZ jumped in and tried to shut that shit down looks good on them. I would say that about anyone who did that. MZ really sunk their teeth into it, too - even though they probably didn't have to. Perhaps I am missing something; is there any world you see where we don't lynch Oats? What would need to happen for that to be the case, what would be the town's collective reasoning for that? On March 07 2024 20:52 justanothertownie wrote:
I still think Oats is quite towny btw. - also in his reaction to the check. Still 100 % the lynch today but it would not surprise me if he flipped Miller. Okay, glad I remembered to keep reading before responding. However, if that is what your opinion is, I guess I don't understand seeing Cop in a favorable light when they claim to not see a world where Slam was scum in the first place but chose to grill Slam anyway. Is this a person who just doesn't understand how the game works at all, or is it just a scummy player doing scummy things yet again? This might be bias, but compare it to how Koshi just did basically the same thing but in a more productive way. I do have to say that I am surprised that he is approaching the topic from this angle at all, but the way he is doing it is way better than just repeating "WHY OATS SLAM?!?" and then looking like you don't understand that there is a small chance that Oats is Miller or Slam is being a madman scum. Like I already said, while lynching oats was always the correct thing to do as town here. I fully expect most of the mafia players to not make themselves look bad by trying to derail. Especially not newer mafia players like Jealous who might be uncomfortable playing mafia. He also had this weird interactions with Oats where he made listposts of Oats reads. More odd than scummy tbh. but why do that for Oats and not other people? They only had some very superficial interactions apart from that where Jealous was asking oats "where are you at? who is mafia?". Lost that post right now. More egregious is however how different he treats me and CC. He is basically harddefending me at times for being against the Vivax mayor election: On March 06 2024 09:32 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 09:03 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. I disagree. Trfel last game was pretty similar to this, he did some burst of activity then vanished for a while. I was suspicious of him all the way through d1/n1 because of the structuring of his posts and they style of his activity. He was not a high volume poster and conviction was not his forte. He basically had the game figured out d3 but wasn't pushing any of it. It took me some deep diving to actually identify he was correct on everything. I think it's stupid to look into him as the quality of what he has posted has been very good so far. If he is mafia it will be hard for him to keep up as the game progresses and he has to justify hard positions and keep up appearances. My current suspect list is palmar/jat/rels, rels being the one I feel less strongly about. Palmar looks more and more tame and awful every time he posts. JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia. I mean, this is a great post by sandroba, and an example for why I have them as one of my top town reads. I see what they're saying. I just still struggle to see JAT fighting so hard against a Vivax mayor campaign for so long because it looks so bad. Does the scum team not try to stop him and say "hey, this isn't really a good idea and looks bad?" Does JAT just ignore his scum team and go rogue? It just doesn't seem like it makes sense, and I know that they've played a lot of games... Does a veteran player really do all that, knowing the attention it will bring to their position? So, for now, going to ##Vote: Trfel and revisit Alakaslam to see exactly when and where they cop-claimed. On March 07 2024 08:57 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 08:36 Vivax wrote:On March 07 2024 08:25 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 07:30 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 09:32 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 09:03 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:
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I really really really don't see that.
Last game I was so sure he was town.
What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive.
Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him.
This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. I disagree. Trfel last game was pretty similar to this, he did some burst of activity then vanished for a while. I was suspicious of him all the way through d1/n1 because of the structuring of his posts and they style of his activity. He was not a high volume poster and conviction was not his forte. He basically had the game figured out d3 but wasn't pushing any of it. It took me some deep diving to actually identify he was correct on everything. I think it's stupid to look into him as the quality of what he has posted has been very good so far. If he is mafia it will be hard for him to keep up as the game progresses and he has to justify hard positions and keep up appearances. My current suspect list is palmar/jat/rels, rels being the one I feel less strongly about. Palmar looks more and more tame and awful every time he posts. JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia. I mean, this is a great post by sandroba, and an example for why I have them as one of my top town reads. I see what they're saying. I just still struggle to see JAT fighting so hard against a Vivax mayor campaign for so long because it looks so bad. Does the scum team not try to stop him and say "hey, this isn't really a good idea and looks bad?" Does JAT just ignore his scum team and go rogue? It just doesn't seem like it makes sense, and I know that they've played a lot of games... Does a veteran player really do all that, knowing the attention it will bring to their position? So, for now, going to ##Vote: Trfel and revisit Alakaslam to see exactly when and where they cop-claimed. He highly praises Sandro for something that is strictly a JAT case, then votes Trfel because of claim wifom. There's going to be mafia that just mayored the claim, and mafia that didn't or even fought it. Hard truth. I mean, I explained why I thought that even though sandroba's push against JAT reflects well on sandroba, I still find it too outlandish to vote JAT over Trfel who was just largely absent. If the options are JAT and Trfel and the people I townread are pushing for these two, I'm not going to pick someone else? If Trfel indeed flipped scum and I didn't vote for them at this juncture, would look pretty stupid and would make town waste a lot of time making a case against someone who I know is town (me). That's not in my best interest as town. I guess in theory I could have tried to push harder for CopCake/rayn but there was no traction there and in the end they are just an "I can't understand this person"/D1 read, respectively. So, not much motivation to try and disrupt plans laid out by my strongest townreads. I don't think it was as clearly cut as you put it. I believe that anyone fighting for Trfel to be lynched in the end has a massively high probabiliy to be town while scum was mostly absent after parking. It indicates that they at least believed in what they were voting. I don't see any indication that you believed your vote would hit mafia at any point. You just walked into the store and grabbed your preferred lynch among the shelves that people put closest to you and walked out. Where's any conviction behind what you said? No second guessing yourself ? I believed in the town!people who believed that the Trfel vote would hit mafia more than I believed that scum!JAT would paint a target on his back by pushing against your claim/town nature so strongly, and more than I believed in my analysis after catching up on 100+ pages (versus the analysis of people who digested the information in real-time). Copcake however is mafia for doing basically the same thing. On March 07 2024 09:38 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote:@ Jealous I believed in the town!people who believed that the Trfel vote would hit mafia more than I believed that scum!JAT would paint a target on his back by pushing against your claim/town nature so strongly, and more than I believed in my analysis after catching up on 100+ pages (versus the analysis of people who digested the information in real-time).
Tsk.Tsk. But you put copcake into your scumreads. You can't sell to anyone in this game that copcake put less effort than JAT into doubting my claim and making me mafia and at the very least it's the same degree of effort. It was my genuine impression. He seemed to be driving that train of thought based on how I read it. Meanwhile... On March 07 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote:
Why didn't you use this type of argument on her like you did on JAT if it's all it took to make you favour Trfel over JAT?
I believe this makes you caught buddy. Had to dive to see when exactly she jumped on that train because I am pretty certain it wasn't her starting it and I see this: On March 05 2024 02:56 CopCake wrote:
I also do not understand the whole vivax is town because he claimed jailkeeper because that is bullshit.
Not because the logic of the whole scenario but because I think he is the type of player to be insane enough as mafia to do something like that. So, sure, she agrees with it, but she is just sheeping IMO. I don't think a scum!JAT is dumb enough to put himself under the line of fire for this take. But I can see scum!CopCake sheeping him once he does and hoping to make something out of nothing. On March 07 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote:Not just that:
On March 05 2024 04:42 sandroba wrote:
Why are you trying to keep this useless trash nai discussion going CopCake?
This is a post you wholeheartedly agreed with. But the useless nai trash discussion is also what you used to justify not voting JAT. Mostly referring to the call-out by sandroba itself and her posting being a part of what I found to be mostly trash posting in general up until that point, including the tea party, sharks, townreading the two people she invited to her tea party basically immediately, etc. On March 11 2024 13:51 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:47 Vivax wrote:
She doubted my claim all the time during D1 but that doesn‘t earn her a free townread from Jealous ? Why for Jat then. Because JAT made the case when it didn't make sense to do so as scum because it painted a target on his back, she sheeped it and came out unscathed, and she has proven that she doesn't know how to read, so her sheeping it is NAI at best, optimistic scum at worst. I don't think the characterization of her sheeping me on anything is fair. Since then it has been a proper CopCake tunnel. And he really tunnels hard here.The only other people he has voted this game are Trfel and Oats (after the check). I think he has a hard time changing his reads/is very static about them, which is something mafia players tend to struggle with. He is not ruffling any feathers all game with one specific exception and that is Copcake. Massive effort if he is mafia though - respect. And sorry Vivax for not seeing this earlier. He doesn't actually call Jealous scum, even after people are yelling at him to provide reads he doesn't even come up with an alignment for Jealous, just hedges his bets in case the people who called Jealous suspicious decide to fire up a wagon there. Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 22:52 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 22:51 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 22:51 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 22:49 Vivax wrote:
Meta wise your filter is too small jat. Iirc you are a very prolific townie I refer you to the post I directed at DP earlier. Fuck off. My filter is quite large - it is not my fault that other people are even spammier. Your meta is 10 years old. Fuck off to whom though Not to Palmar ideally. I would compromise on Jealous right now. Think you have been on the right track here. Reading MZ now. "Compromise on Jealous"??? But you didn't come up with an alignment when you analyzed him, all you said was "if he's scum he's doing a good job." Like come on. The next person he analyzes is me and ends up deciding I'm town. So out of his only reads list in the game, he's now good with lynching someone who was not on there and he analyzed inconclusively, and he's found a townread of myself. Nothing on DMB, nothing on CC. Also continuing to hold on to DMB/CC as scum reads at this point is pretty terrible too. I think the only point in JAT's favor right now is that he hasn't gone the easy road and scumread Palmar to save himself although that only increases the odds in my eyes that they could be scum together. This feels like a much shorter analysis while writing it compared to Rels or even Palmar but the fact is there just isn't much in JAT's filter which is pretty damning in of itself to get to D4 without having actually analyzed anything. I had an open spot for the last scum that I hadn't figured out between Jealous and JAT, I'm pretty comfortable giving it to JAT at this point.
Are you seriously calling me mafia for changing my reads upon rereading filter? Also I clearly came to a conclusion about Jealous. Which said mafia.
Wtf do you want from me? I have been filtering people and giving reads all day. Significant time I spent. And you have nothing else to do than say: "but you havent given a read on everyone yet". When it should be very obvious that I am going through the whole list from top to bottom.
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Atrocious take. Really really atrocious.
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On March 15 2024 01:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 01:36 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 01:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2024 08:32 justanothertownie wrote:
For the record - I think we should look into this pool for lynch tomorrow (no particular order):
CC
MZ
DMB
+ potentially Koshi (he fell off pretty badly since day1, maybe scum Koshi running out of juice? Could & should easily turn up the heat if he is town so some pressure here could be worth it)
I am not feeling the Palmar lynch/I don't think he is mafia. We're gonna keep this post as a sticky not because A) it's one of very few where JAT gives reads abd B) he's gonna contradict it later on On March 14 2024 22:51 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 22:49 Vivax wrote:
Meta wise your filter is too small jat. Iirc you are a very prolific townie I refer you to the post I directed at DP earlier. Fuck off. My filter is quite large - it is not my fault that other people are even spammier. Your meta is 10 years old. What's funny is for once I actually agree with the mayor, I now know why I haven't really paid attention to JAT since D1 and it's because 90% of his 20 page filter is one liners talking about the state of the game and literally no reads. Like zero reads. He'll occasionally say things like "so and so didn't look good for that." I don't remember if it was DP or iamp who said it but all JAT does is play thread police and not much else. Like I'm truly shocked at the lack of scum hunting in there. Similar to Palmar, he's more active now because he's under the gun (I'm frustrated people are so easily dismissing Palmar right now, the level of lazines he's outwardly admitting in the thread almost makes me feel like he's playing terrible on purpose to show that he can't get lynched and laugh about it post game). But back to JAT, On March 14 2024 22:30 justanothertownie wrote:I'll start from the top and immediately ignore the first 2 entries. In both cases there is a 0.01 % chance that they are mafia but reading their filters is just not worth it for different reasons. I am not a masochist. Jealous:People really like his first list post - I will not quote it here since it would bloat this post because he said Hapa was town and that I would not go against Vivax mayor campaign. I think both of these things can easily be done by mafia. Especially since he is not applying this logic consistently as can be seen in his treatment of CC later. He is also not consistent in the way he goes about the 2 day1 claims: On March 06 2024 09:20 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 09:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 09:14 Jealous wrote:So, here is what I found in Koshi's filter re: Trfel. + Show Spoiler [Koshi x Trfel] +On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first. rayn or marv. Let's go big. On March 05 2024 08:01 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players. Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody. On March 05 2024 10:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 09:52 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions. On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play) Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play. For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out. He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that. On March 05 2024 20:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oatsmaster - probs town
DarthPunk - townish
Vivax - town
sandroba - town
Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game
marvellosity - town
Jealous - not posted
Meapak_Ziphh - townish
Palmar - not posted
justanothertownie - not posted
die_meatbaby - town
CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps?
JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him
Hapahauli - not posted
Iamperfection - town
Koshi - meh, useless
ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish
VisceraEyes - scummy, useless
Rels - useless
Alakaslam - town This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course. On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. --- Tangentially related: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=96#1906So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because: 1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ. 2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange. 3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further. Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb. Look at the Sandro case I posted a little while ago. Yea, I keep forgetting to refresh after writing something and before I ask for stuff. Saw several posts on the previous page, gonna re-read them again. Thanks! On March 06 2024 09:16 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 09:14 Jealous wrote:So, here is what I found in Koshi's filter re: Trfel. + Show Spoiler [Koshi x Trfel] +On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first. rayn or marv. Let's go big. On March 05 2024 08:01 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players. Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody. On March 05 2024 10:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 09:52 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions. On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play) Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play. For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out. He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that. On March 05 2024 20:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oatsmaster - probs town
DarthPunk - townish
Vivax - town
sandroba - town
Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game
marvellosity - town
Jealous - not posted
Meapak_Ziphh - townish
Palmar - not posted
justanothertownie - not posted
die_meatbaby - town
CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps?
JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him
Hapahauli - not posted
Iamperfection - town
Koshi - meh, useless
ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish
VisceraEyes - scummy, useless
Rels - useless
Alakaslam - town This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course. On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. --- Tangentially related: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=96#1906So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because: 1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ. 2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange. 3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further. Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb. The only thing that bugs me when you write is that you actually go and look so hard into Slam well knowing he claimed cop. The only natural reaction would be 'meh, self-resolving' yet you still seem to believe there's something to be found and worth pursuing. So if he flips mafia at some point it'd make you look worse tbh. Ooh, I guess I didn't catch that; my bad on that. My eyes must have glazed over while reading his word salad, plus there is the issue of CopCake's name making that word not stand out as much as it probably should have (and sometimes being abbreviated as CC and sometimes not). Will go dive into that after I catch up on the JAT stuff. To be clear, if Alakaslam claimed cop role and there were no counter-claims by anyone, then yea, not gonna lynch him D1. If I can't get a read on him then that means that I can't really have much conviction in the fact that he is fake-claiming. Better safe than sorry. This looks like an overexplanation to me. I mean of course it is different since he said he was scumreading slam but you can at this point just say - he claimed so he is town until cc. With Vivax it is really different: On March 06 2024 11:40 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 11:37 Trfel wrote:On March 06 2024 11:36 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 11:35 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 11:32 Trfel wrote:
Why is die_meatbaby mafia? I really didn't think she was suspicious at all, she seemed far more reasonable than last game. Would be very hesitant to suspect her.
May actually be worth taking another look at Vivax because he should know this. I called dp mafia... I was to lazy to quote and stuff and two sentences wasn´t enough for oats and Dp. I am not happy with both wagons (both pushed by dp) and I still voted one of the two wagons But I shouldn´t because not wasting my vote makes me scummy. and i my called people stupid that makes me more scummy Would like to hear from other people's perspectives but this really really REALLY does not sound like mafia. Look at Vivax/iamperfection, that's the best I have. With Vivax claiming JK on D1 with no counter-claim, what percentage chance is there that scum!Vivax actually does that and gets away with it? If I understood the premise correctly, I expect it to be about 0%. Am I missing something? On March 07 2024 03:58 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 03:55 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:43 Jealous wrote:
So QED CopCake, even if town, is being more of a hindrance than a beneficial force.
The same was true for Vivax yesterday - did you push him for it? And that is only one example. Disagree, with the KP claim I basically had to assume he had to be town because a gambit of that level as scum just seems too insane/suicidal. So, I have to operate on the logic that Vivax is town and try to find scum instead. If things don't improve with him as mayor/"KP" long-term, then I'll have to consider abandoning my hypothesis. Seems like he is struggling a bit to justify getting off slam. He also never questioned the Oats lynch and lauded MZ for trying to shut down anything else: On March 07 2024 23:15 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 20:45 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 15:05 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 14:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Everyone read post on MZ I didn't like some of MZ's earlier posts. I too wished they had explained their TRs in that most recent list, and an explanation for the CopCake flip would have been great, too. However, I really like this immediate jump on CopCake for being so insistent on grilling Alakaslam. And none of that really changes anything for me for this cycle as of now, so yea, good night. I disagree completely. Why is it protown to shut down discussion about the claimant and the check? Are we supposed to all just park our vote for 72 hours and go afk? To me what CopCake did here is objectively 100 % the correct way to approach this. It is lazy and not town oriented to go after this. I think it says more about MZs alignment than CCs but the tendency is exactly the opposite of what you are saying in my opinion. It makes MZ look really bad and CC slightly better. Because as I see it, there is only one correct answer for how to approach this cycle and lynch, and spending so much effort grilling Slam about it is just trying to sow seeds of chaos for no reason, which only serves to benefit our only scum flip. Thus, the fact that MZ jumped in and tried to shut that shit down looks good on them. I would say that about anyone who did that. MZ really sunk their teeth into it, too - even though they probably didn't have to. Perhaps I am missing something; is there any world you see where we don't lynch Oats? What would need to happen for that to be the case, what would be the town's collective reasoning for that? On March 07 2024 20:52 justanothertownie wrote:
I still think Oats is quite towny btw. - also in his reaction to the check. Still 100 % the lynch today but it would not surprise me if he flipped Miller. Okay, glad I remembered to keep reading before responding. However, if that is what your opinion is, I guess I don't understand seeing Cop in a favorable light when they claim to not see a world where Slam was scum in the first place but chose to grill Slam anyway. Is this a person who just doesn't understand how the game works at all, or is it just a scummy player doing scummy things yet again? This might be bias, but compare it to how Koshi just did basically the same thing but in a more productive way. I do have to say that I am surprised that he is approaching the topic from this angle at all, but the way he is doing it is way better than just repeating "WHY OATS SLAM?!?" and then looking like you don't understand that there is a small chance that Oats is Miller or Slam is being a madman scum. Like I already said, while lynching oats was always the correct thing to do as town here. I fully expect most of the mafia players to not make themselves look bad by trying to derail. Especially not newer mafia players like Jealous who might be uncomfortable playing mafia. He also had this weird interactions with Oats where he made listposts of Oats reads. More odd than scummy tbh. but why do that for Oats and not other people? They only had some very superficial interactions apart from that where Jealous was asking oats "where are you at? who is mafia?". Lost that post right now. More egregious is however how different he treats me and CC. He is basically harddefending me at times for being against the Vivax mayor election: On March 06 2024 09:32 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 09:03 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:
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Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie.
The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed
It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake.
I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example
Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. I disagree. Trfel last game was pretty similar to this, he did some burst of activity then vanished for a while. I was suspicious of him all the way through d1/n1 because of the structuring of his posts and they style of his activity. He was not a high volume poster and conviction was not his forte. He basically had the game figured out d3 but wasn't pushing any of it. It took me some deep diving to actually identify he was correct on everything. I think it's stupid to look into him as the quality of what he has posted has been very good so far. If he is mafia it will be hard for him to keep up as the game progresses and he has to justify hard positions and keep up appearances. My current suspect list is palmar/jat/rels, rels being the one I feel less strongly about. Palmar looks more and more tame and awful every time he posts. JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia. I mean, this is a great post by sandroba, and an example for why I have them as one of my top town reads. I see what they're saying. I just still struggle to see JAT fighting so hard against a Vivax mayor campaign for so long because it looks so bad. Does the scum team not try to stop him and say "hey, this isn't really a good idea and looks bad?" Does JAT just ignore his scum team and go rogue? It just doesn't seem like it makes sense, and I know that they've played a lot of games... Does a veteran player really do all that, knowing the attention it will bring to their position? So, for now, going to ##Vote: Trfel and revisit Alakaslam to see exactly when and where they cop-claimed. On March 07 2024 08:57 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 08:36 Vivax wrote:On March 07 2024 08:25 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 07:30 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 09:32 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 09:03 DarthPunk wrote:
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I mean, this is a great post by sandroba, and an example for why I have them as one of my top town reads. I see what they're saying. I just still struggle to see JAT fighting so hard against a Vivax mayor campaign for so long because it looks so bad. Does the scum team not try to stop him and say "hey, this isn't really a good idea and looks bad?" Does JAT just ignore his scum team and go rogue? It just doesn't seem like it makes sense, and I know that they've played a lot of games... Does a veteran player really do all that, knowing the attention it will bring to their position? So, for now, going to ##Vote: Trfel and revisit Alakaslam to see exactly when and where they cop-claimed. He highly praises Sandro for something that is strictly a JAT case, then votes Trfel because of claim wifom. There's going to be mafia that just mayored the claim, and mafia that didn't or even fought it. Hard truth. I mean, I explained why I thought that even though sandroba's push against JAT reflects well on sandroba, I still find it too outlandish to vote JAT over Trfel who was just largely absent. If the options are JAT and Trfel and the people I townread are pushing for these two, I'm not going to pick someone else? If Trfel indeed flipped scum and I didn't vote for them at this juncture, would look pretty stupid and would make town waste a lot of time making a case against someone who I know is town (me). That's not in my best interest as town. I guess in theory I could have tried to push harder for CopCake/rayn but there was no traction there and in the end they are just an "I can't understand this person"/D1 read, respectively. So, not much motivation to try and disrupt plans laid out by my strongest townreads. I don't think it was as clearly cut as you put it. I believe that anyone fighting for Trfel to be lynched in the end has a massively high probabiliy to be town while scum was mostly absent after parking. It indicates that they at least believed in what they were voting. I don't see any indication that you believed your vote would hit mafia at any point. You just walked into the store and grabbed your preferred lynch among the shelves that people put closest to you and walked out. Where's any conviction behind what you said? No second guessing yourself ? I believed in the town!people who believed that the Trfel vote would hit mafia more than I believed that scum!JAT would paint a target on his back by pushing against your claim/town nature so strongly, and more than I believed in my analysis after catching up on 100+ pages (versus the analysis of people who digested the information in real-time). Copcake however is mafia for doing basically the same thing. On March 07 2024 09:38 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote:@ Jealous I believed in the town!people who believed that the Trfel vote would hit mafia more than I believed that scum!JAT would paint a target on his back by pushing against your claim/town nature so strongly, and more than I believed in my analysis after catching up on 100+ pages (versus the analysis of people who digested the information in real-time).
Tsk.Tsk. But you put copcake into your scumreads. You can't sell to anyone in this game that copcake put less effort than JAT into doubting my claim and making me mafia and at the very least it's the same degree of effort. It was my genuine impression. He seemed to be driving that train of thought based on how I read it. Meanwhile... On March 07 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote:
Why didn't you use this type of argument on her like you did on JAT if it's all it took to make you favour Trfel over JAT?
I believe this makes you caught buddy. Had to dive to see when exactly she jumped on that train because I am pretty certain it wasn't her starting it and I see this: On March 05 2024 02:56 CopCake wrote:
I also do not understand the whole vivax is town because he claimed jailkeeper because that is bullshit.
Not because the logic of the whole scenario but because I think he is the type of player to be insane enough as mafia to do something like that. So, sure, she agrees with it, but she is just sheeping IMO. I don't think a scum!JAT is dumb enough to put himself under the line of fire for this take. But I can see scum!CopCake sheeping him once he does and hoping to make something out of nothing. On March 07 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote:Not just that:
On March 05 2024 04:42 sandroba wrote:
Why are you trying to keep this useless trash nai discussion going CopCake?
This is a post you wholeheartedly agreed with. But the useless nai trash discussion is also what you used to justify not voting JAT. Mostly referring to the call-out by sandroba itself and her posting being a part of what I found to be mostly trash posting in general up until that point, including the tea party, sharks, townreading the two people she invited to her tea party basically immediately, etc. On March 11 2024 13:51 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:47 Vivax wrote:
She doubted my claim all the time during D1 but that doesn‘t earn her a free townread from Jealous ? Why for Jat then. Because JAT made the case when it didn't make sense to do so as scum because it painted a target on his back, she sheeped it and came out unscathed, and she has proven that she doesn't know how to read, so her sheeping it is NAI at best, optimistic scum at worst. I don't think the characterization of her sheeping me on anything is fair. Since then it has been a proper CopCake tunnel. And he really tunnels hard here.The only other people he has voted this game are Trfel and Oats (after the check). I think he has a hard time changing his reads/is very static about them, which is something mafia players tend to struggle with. He is not ruffling any feathers all game with one specific exception and that is Copcake. Massive effort if he is mafia though - respect. And sorry Vivax for not seeing this earlier. He doesn't actually call Jealous scum, even after people are yelling at him to provide reads he doesn't even come up with an alignment for Jealous, just hedges his bets in case the people who called Jealous suspicious decide to fire up a wagon there. On March 14 2024 22:52 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 22:51 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 22:51 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 22:49 Vivax wrote:
Meta wise your filter is too small jat. Iirc you are a very prolific townie I refer you to the post I directed at DP earlier. Fuck off. My filter is quite large - it is not my fault that other people are even spammier. Your meta is 10 years old. Fuck off to whom though Not to Palmar ideally. I would compromise on Jealous right now. Think you have been on the right track here. Reading MZ now. "Compromise on Jealous"??? But you didn't come up with an alignment when you analyzed him, all you said was "if he's scum he's doing a good job." Like come on. The next person he analyzes is me and ends up deciding I'm town. So out of his only reads list in the game, he's now good with lynching someone who was not on there and he analyzed inconclusively, and he's found a townread of myself. Nothing on DMB, nothing on CC. Also continuing to hold on to DMB/CC as scum reads at this point is pretty terrible too. I think the only point in JAT's favor right now is that he hasn't gone the easy road and scumread Palmar to save himself although that only increases the odds in my eyes that they could be scum together. This feels like a much shorter analysis while writing it compared to Rels or even Palmar but the fact is there just isn't much in JAT's filter which is pretty damning in of itself to get to D4 without having actually analyzed anything. I had an open spot for the last scum that I hadn't figured out between Jealous and JAT, I'm pretty comfortable giving it to JAT at this point. Are you seriously calling me mafia for changing my reads upon rereading filter? Also I clearly came to a conclusion about Jealous. Which said mafia. Wtf do you want from me? I have been filtering people and giving reads all day. Significant time I spent. And you have nothing else to do than say: "but you havent given a read on everyone yet". When it should be very obvious that I am going through the whole list from top to bottom. It's just very odd it came to putting you under the gun to come up with these reads. I will wait until you finish with the rest of the players and see what you come up with but I haven't been inspired by what you've posted so far.
So you found a way to call putting in effort scummy now. Good job.
Is a townie not supposed to up his play when he is being wagoned? What stupid idea. So far there was 0 need for me to do more since I got my prefered target lynched every single day.
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On March 15 2024 02:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 02:09 Koshi wrote:
So if 2 came to VE it is within Palmar/MZ/CC i do not want to believe iamp is mafia. Out of those 3 I do not believe it is CC.
So yeah. Is it Palmar/MZ and x?
Do I want to stay on x? X being JAT then.
My brain is foggy. I do generally agree with your logic here even though it's heavily implicating me. JAT's inability to find scum even while up for lynch is pretty bad. His refusal to scumread Palmar only goes so far when he hasn't provided any alternatives.
Are you for real? I already gave you Jealous.
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DMB:
Very early post. Lets keep that in mind:
On March 05 2024 03:40 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:34 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 03:28 Vivax wrote:
I'm bothered by rayn's reaction here tbh I dont know if it is relevant but he was laughing hard in the other room. that makes him look scum. I loved beeing mafia in the last game because doing random shit like offering my life for HF who claimed blue and provoke other Townies is fun as hell. As Town I take it way more seriously. But maybe thats just me
This is still fine:
On March 06 2024 10:26 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:03 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2024 10:00 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 01:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:16 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 05 2024 20:02 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about. OatsmasterBoth initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this: On March 04 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
I’m running for mayor Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing. On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:
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I don't think pushing for it actually does anything. You don’t seem to even want to be mayor There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor". It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything. VisceraEyesPart of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read. But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him. Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good. On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game. I have zero interest in lynching VE today. DMBSo I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point. On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 06:13 Palmar wrote:
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It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about? Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game. She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though. But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed. Sorry for not having you in my list post. You had like one page on you Filter. You came in the game after like 60 Pages or something. You posted some good one liners that i actually liked. Especially that one that either people should vote Vivax for mayjor or for lynch. That one made think a litte bit about the other players here. I understand that people think the claim is a scum move but why do they not lynch him when they are not voting him as mayjor either?Still it was to less posting from you to make any kind of opinions on your aligment. I can just say I was not suspicious about your few posts just kinda liked them. Atm you are more likely Town for me, but beware, this can change quickly Out of all the posts in the past like 12 hours DMB chooses this one to respond to, fence sits and doesn’t apply any of the bolded section to her list post earlier so where does that thinking even come out? Normaly i have day off, but somebody is sick and I had to come in fast. Didn't have much time to read. Btw list Was requested by rels. No answer from him atm So what have you learned from the bolded section? I have already used a translator 3 times, which means I have learnt 3 new words in English But for real I think the lynch is goeing in a wrong direction so what are you going to do? I don´t know, but I will not vote for Trfl right now. I don´t see any majorly scum shit at his filter. He plays like in the last game and he was actually doeing amzing as Town last game. So I would not like to loss him if he is Town. Actually I would like to vote on DP because he seems more scummy for me in this game, but that would be a usless vote... Vote: Justanothertownie
This looks a bit like she is frustrated with how easily dp is being townread:
On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town...
The scumslip:
On March 06 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... This is a scumslip word nr.4 today. Thank you love to improve my english Maybe just tired and annoyed about stupid people here. Either wagons are not a good D1 lynch
I have talked about this a few towns now. I think it is actually likely that oats saw what he perceived as a scumslip and decided "I need to bus now". The whole back and forth can easily be mafia on mafia in my opinion:
On March 06 2024 11:32 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 11:26 Rels wrote:
Well looks like I won't be able to join after all. My daughter is still not well and is still not sleeping so I'm staying with her until she's better. Will try to phone read and post if she starts to sleep but no guarantee . Will also switch to JAT since nobody is on the Palmar wagon anymore Vote for dmb can you vote yourself pls
On March 06 2024 12:22 die_meatbaby wrote:If this is town pls mafia pls nk him. He annoys me more then Palmars ego
She is clearly really annoyed by him. While oats has this effect on people in general, I think this makes sense if he is bussing her without her thinking that is necessary/justified.
Let us also remember this later:
On March 06 2024 11:06 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:59 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:51 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 10:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... This is a scumslip I don't see it. Reasonable town lynch ie jat is town Is that a stretch though, could be ESL What’s the difficulty? She’s callling the lynch town AND shes on it Can you read? I didn´t say JAT is Town i just said I am not happy with both wagons. Should I waste my vote. Did it in my first game. OPEN YOU EYES AND READ CORRECTLY PLS You literally said that DP is searching for a reasonable town lynch when referring to him talking about his wagon. Lol this is hilarious yeah he changed his vote so often and tried to push people to his new vote decision. Still did I never say that JAT is Town for me just not my prefering lynch and Trfl will defently not get a vote he seems a little bit townisch to me for now And both wagons pushed by the same person scares me even more. I just hate lynch 1. Usless investment of time because we always get it wrong anyways. Lynch 2 is fucking importend.
I asked her about this multiple times but this post still makes 0 sense to me:
On March 07 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 10:42 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
But trying to become mayor as mafia is very risky and stupid. Even I understand that.
So does that mean that all of the following have to be town? Vivax (13), raynpelikoneet (3), Oatsmaster (1), Koshi (1) On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Town dp would feel attacked if you call him mafia and would names reasons why he is not.
Mafia dp plays it of cool, that you don't see the fear of being discovered.
Maybe this is a DP thing, or maybe I'm different from most, or maybe I'm just stupid... But how much evidence can DP have to name reasons for why he is not mafia when we're what, 16 hours into D1? Maybe the volume they put out... but still, let's have a thought experiment: What arguments would you have for your own innocence at this point in the game? On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Regardless of what I think about cake, but it seems to me that he picks weaker players to annoy until they make a mistake because of beeing annoyd and then he can push the wagon that comes up.
I made an error out the gate (not catching that Alakaslam cop-claimed) and I didn't get my head bit off for it by anyone. It was corrected and we kept it moving. So, I think this point is overblown. If you're not scum, "mistakes" don't magically make you scum, IMO. The mistake itself has to be AI. On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
He waits hours but no body jumps on a cake wagon or he already sees that that wagon will not be successful. So he need to get someelse, but thats good for his record, because Town DP change often his vote just usually with good reasons.
If it wasn't his meta already then I could see this being potentially being true/AI, but because you say that it is his meta... I don't get your point here? On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Thats the only Post I like. He should play a little bit and then we lynch Ve because thats a vote for active Town
Please clarify your logic here, too. That does not mean that this people are Town for me. It has something to do with my experience of DP's personality. Sorry if I didn´t make that clear. What arguments would you have for your own innocence at this point in the game? Regardless of my aligment I would not start a fight with dp without having do!!! As mafia I would not do that. That would take the fun away as I had in the last game trying to lynch Palmar As Town I just to it because I don´t have something more importend in my head. And the Ve post is good He doesn´t really want to play anymore because we always lynch him early. Compassion would be the best description
She claims she would never pick a fight with dp and tunnel him. Even though she did exactly the same thing with Palmar last game as mafia.
The dumbtell. I still feel like this would be something DMB would do even if just for fun as mafia. And she rode it hard for multiple posts:
On March 07 2024 12:09 die_meatbaby wrote:
Why do we have two kills?!
On March 07 2024 12:12 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 12:10 iamperfection wrote:On March 07 2024 12:09 die_meatbaby wrote:
Why do we have two kills?! are you serious yes mafia has one shot or did I miss something. Who made the second one?
On March 07 2024 12:25 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 12:20 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Okay for now this means DMB looks better until we get a result from Oats. thats nice but pls can somebody actually explain to me why we have 2 kills. I know from games before that it happens sometimes but then there is standing vigialinte killed xxx on the second kill. So why do we have 2 kills?
On March 07 2024 12:33 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 12:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:27 iamperfection wrote:On March 07 2024 12:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:24 Vivax wrote:On March 07 2024 12:22 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:20 iamperfection wrote:On March 07 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:19 iamperfection wrote:
oats explain your vote on dmb Literally entirely through eod and the night it’s there? What are you talking about i mean did you not read what just happened ??? Like what are you talking about? It makes 0 sense for slam to do what he did as mafia, I don’t see any ccs or any softed CCs Be honest if it wasn‘t you, what would you do ? There‘s not much choice here. But we can pretend at least. If like koshi got red checked? I’m not lynching him oats dmb dumb town telled and you ignored it. It’s way too dumb to be real she asked the same question like 5 times cmon now because nobody is fucking explaining to me
On March 07 2024 12:35 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 12:29 Vivax wrote:
I suspect she got instructed to fake dumbtell.
Which means the mafia is in dumpster fire mode. yeah because I would listen to orders people instructions... will not happen But as nobody is goeing to explain it to me i go sleep and you all can fuck off.I already now the obs would be nicer to me -.-
This anger seems unwarranted. Just like last game.
After the check on oats:
On March 08 2024 22:19 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hmm so I took a gander through dmbs filter and I actually don’t see much mafia motivation there at this point. I can see what she was trying to say d1 now near the lynch and it makes sense with her not having 2 great candidates to pick Oh no. nope. No. Don't do that to me. At this point you know you can’t change the lynch. If you flip mafia it would looked better for me, because you didn't stop voting me even like after nk and slam calling out his announcement about you, you just post #votedmb. And now you know you getting lynched and we will see that you are scum. You changing your mind about me so it looked like it was M vs M here. Why me? Could you not do that shit do somebody else?
I still think this post is very weird. Also here I can see her just being unhappy with the way her buddy is playing. Same with this one:
On March 10 2024 11:23 die_meatbaby wrote:The fucking hell i am playing here. Can you at least tell would don´t make me fucking TOWN! I try to solve the fucking game. Oats made a shit play on me, but when you read his filter thinking of me as Town that would even make sense for you too. The fuck are you all smoking?? meth?
The emotion is completely over the top here.
This is a weird reaction to a shot on mafia:
On March 10 2024 12:17 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 12:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 10 2024 12:14 iamperfection wrote:On March 10 2024 12:14 DarthPunk wrote:
I want to vote cake, see what her read progression is, then I want to see what VE does. probably the same thing he has done all game Yeah maybe he is a better lynch in that case. I just wanna see what reads cake has now she can't just hide behind calling me mafia. why didn´t you should on cake?
Why would you even question that in this moment.
The mason thing:
On March 13 2024 01:00 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 00:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2024 00:37 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 13 2024 00:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I have to fly tonight, I apologize for my activity but flying takes huge chunks out of my schedule. I will try and be around on my phone this morning and get started on a reread of Palmar. Anything is on the table rn with the VE flip and my current lack of conviction on cake.
The suspicion on Palmar also reminds me, we never heard from a Mason the whole of D3 so I'm guessing scum got it and just didn't want to talk? How would knowing who had the mason chat helping us do find scum? It is random could be T chat with M or T with T or M with M... If you're town and you get whispered there's absolutely zero reason not to share with the town what happens in it. More information is always helpful. If you're a townie and you are the whisperer you should also share who you whispered and also why you did it. I whispered Palmar to try and solidify my reads of him. That didn't work out as planned but I still tried to share whatever info I got with the town. There is no reason not to share with the town and hiding information only serves to make both people look bad. yeah i think it could also be the opposite from helpful. I never got the mason chat (and I am happy about that either aligment) As an example: DMB Town and DP Mafia getting the mason I already said in this game he could be scum (before he shot) and the discussion didn't go so well for me. I got more scumreads from Town than I had before. DP is strong player and can easy manipulate the people. We can not see the chat until the game is over. So nobody knows what there really was. Dp could easy lie that I scum slipped in the mason chat with him and make Town lynch me, because I can not prove that he lies and he has more controll of the thread as I do. I get lynched. I flip Town. DP finds still a reason to tell that I wrote so scummy that there was no other option as a lynch.... 1 Win for mafia This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid and I don´t think Dp is scum (would be to insane)
On March 14 2024 10:47 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 10:41 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 17:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 01:00 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 13 2024 00:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2024 00:37 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 13 2024 00:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I have to fly tonight, I apologize for my activity but flying takes huge chunks out of my schedule. I will try and be around on my phone this morning and get started on a reread of Palmar. Anything is on the table rn with the VE flip and my current lack of conviction on cake.
The suspicion on Palmar also reminds me, we never heard from a Mason the whole of D3 so I'm guessing scum got it and just didn't want to talk? How would knowing who had the mason chat helping us do find scum? It is random could be T chat with M or T with T or M with M... If you're town and you get whispered there's absolutely zero reason not to share with the town what happens in it. More information is always helpful. If you're a townie and you are the whisperer you should also share who you whispered and also why you did it. I whispered Palmar to try and solidify my reads of him. That didn't work out as planned but I still tried to share whatever info I got with the town. There is no reason not to share with the town and hiding information only serves to make both people look bad. yeah i think it could also be the opposite from helpful. I never got the mason chat (and I am happy about that either aligment) As an example: DMB Town and DP Mafia getting the mason I already said in this game he could be scum (before he shot) and the discussion didn't go so well for me. I got more scumreads from Town than I had before. DP is strong player and can easy manipulate the people. We can not see the chat until the game is over. So nobody knows what there really was. Dp could easy lie that I scum slipped in the mason chat with him and make Town lynch me, because I can not prove that he lies and he has more controll of the thread as I do. I get lynched. I flip Town. DP finds still a reason to tell that I wrote so scummy that there was no other option as a lynch.... 1 Win for mafia This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid and I don´t think Dp is scum (would be to insane) This posts strikes me as really townie. Just the natural paranoia and thought that went into it that only really works from a town perspective. How does that fit with this at deadline: On March 13 2024 12:05 die_meatbaby wrote:
Who will make an erotic summary of the last day? That was the reason why I opened Tl in the morning, full of anticipation!
Btw i am in a mason chat yeah i complaind about the mason stuff and of course I get it on the next day
On March 14 2024 10:56 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 10:49 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 10:47 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 14 2024 10:41 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 17:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 01:00 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 13 2024 00:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2024 00:37 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 13 2024 00:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I have to fly tonight, I apologize for my activity but flying takes huge chunks out of my schedule. I will try and be around on my phone this morning and get started on a reread of Palmar. Anything is on the table rn with the VE flip and my current lack of conviction on cake.
The suspicion on Palmar also reminds me, we never heard from a Mason the whole of D3 so I'm guessing scum got it and just didn't want to talk? How would knowing who had the mason chat helping us do find scum? It is random could be T chat with M or T with T or M with M... If you're town and you get whispered there's absolutely zero reason not to share with the town what happens in it. More information is always helpful. If you're a townie and you are the whisperer you should also share who you whispered and also why you did it. I whispered Palmar to try and solidify my reads of him. That didn't work out as planned but I still tried to share whatever info I got with the town. There is no reason not to share with the town and hiding information only serves to make both people look bad. yeah i think it could also be the opposite from helpful. I never got the mason chat (and I am happy about that either aligment) As an example: DMB Town and DP Mafia getting the mason I already said in this game he could be scum (before he shot) and the discussion didn't go so well for me. I got more scumreads from Town than I had before. DP is strong player and can easy manipulate the people. We can not see the chat until the game is over. So nobody knows what there really was. Dp could easy lie that I scum slipped in the mason chat with him and make Town lynch me, because I can not prove that he lies and he has more controll of the thread as I do. I get lynched. I flip Town. DP finds still a reason to tell that I wrote so scummy that there was no other option as a lynch.... 1 Win for mafia This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid and I don´t think Dp is scum (would be to insane) This posts strikes me as really townie. Just the natural paranoia and thought that went into it that only really works from a town perspective. How does that fit with this at deadline: On March 13 2024 12:05 die_meatbaby wrote:
Who will make an erotic summary of the last day? That was the reason why I opened Tl in the morning, full of anticipation!
Btw i am in a mason chat yeah i complaind about the mason stuff and of course I get it on the next day Why did you claim it? why not? they told me actually a good reason about mason. As Town you don´t have do hide, so why should I? I masoned CC for a good reason. Maybe to have a privat Teaparty with her makes it easier for me to understand what she is. I just got kinda paranoia about the mason if somebody would mason me and turn the truth around, because nobody can see the actuall mason chat until the game is over.
I actually don't mind this. Cannot see the mafia motivation behind it.
So, now we remember how dmb said lynch2 an onwards would be so important. What is she doing today? She is voting Rels for playing too well...
On March 14 2024 08:55 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 07:15 Palmar wrote:On March 14 2024 07:13 Koshi wrote:
Palmar, are you going with iamp and CC mafia team?
That's your best guess? No still working, I maybe think CC is town now. If Rels is mafia btw, he has been TMI-ing the entire fucking game lol. He knew Trfel was town He knew TTS was mafia When Oats did the hero defense he still thought Oats would flip scum So much correct shit in his filter. finally someone who see that there is something wrong with Reels filter. There is no way he could play like this as Town. He knows things that we don´t know, thats fucking serious.
On March 14 2024 09:24 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 09:17 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 09:15 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 14 2024 09:09 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 09:06 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 14 2024 07:06 Vivax wrote:
As soon as I can‘t trust townies to be truthful or that they are playing for the same wincon I know I can just place a vote where I want, lay back and shitpost so working like a RL mayor? Jealous/Jat/??? go, apes together strong Koshi/Reels/??? Never fear quarrels, but seek hazardous adventures. All for one and one for all. All for one and one for all, united we stand divided we fall. You need to reread Koshi. He‘s very unlikely to be mafia after he went bazooka sparklefairy today Yeah I know, he started to play like he do as Town, but way to late. He looks better since I called him first lazy mafia and people maybe started to filter him. He was at the start calm, tiny reads so it doesn´t get to suspicious. His first 2 days are just not Town Koshi! But as the mayjor wishes I will reread him Also you tell me I should just reread Koshi. Whats your opinion on Rels? And don´t fucking tell me that he is the the clairvoyant of the Town or some kind of bullshit like this. Give me a fucking real read on him and tell me you are not voting Rels!! #Vote Rels
Completely wasting her vote without even really trying that hard to find out if Palmar and me are good lynches. She just does not really care. Which makes sense if she is mafia and we are town.
Conclusion: Probably mafia. I do not feel as strongly about it as Jealous though.
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On March 15 2024 02:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 02:26 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 02:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 15 2024 02:09 Koshi wrote:
So if 2 came to VE it is within Palmar/MZ/CC i do not want to believe iamp is mafia. Out of those 3 I do not believe it is CC.
So yeah. Is it Palmar/MZ and x?
Do I want to stay on x? X being JAT then.
My brain is foggy. I do generally agree with your logic here even though it's heavily implicating me. JAT's inability to find scum even while up for lynch is pretty bad. His refusal to scumread Palmar only goes so far when he hasn't provided any alternatives. Are you for real? I already gave you Jealous. Lol where? Your analysis where you said "if he's scum hats off to him"? That was barely believable and I don't think you really believe it either since rather than straight up call him scum you said "jealous for a compromise?" That ain't it chief.
Try to read the post next time maybe? How can you not take away from that that I think he is mafia? And even more importantly, how are you still going on about this after I already told you that this was my conclusion?
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MZ is being downgraded from being town as of now.
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On March 15 2024 02:56 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 02:42 justanothertownie wrote:
MZ is being downgraded from being town as of now. Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 02:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 15 2024 02:43 CopCake wrote:On March 15 2024 00:50 iamperfection wrote:
I mean at just a surface level they have been all over the place. Making ridiculous statements but also almost begging to be lynched. Dosnt seem like the most likely scum mindset to me the more I think about it. Yes it's possible but the more and more I think it makes me think CC has a likelihood to be town. You say this but yes, there is a problem. I am a wild card. If I am alive I am a question mark, a red one. If I die, who is the mafia? I think that is the question that everyone should be asking because so far in many worlds I am mafia, just like VE and Tfrel for NOT TRYING ENOUGH OMG. VE is so inactive Cake doesnt make sense and is insane I am going to make a case on DMB about how many times she has said fucking in the thread Tfrel is not stepping up his game Are these good reasons to lynch? This looks more of a "I am lynching you because I am better than you" game. That is why I think I should get lynched. For town´s sake. Who knows, people might get a surprise. Cake I'm gonna be real with you and this may be a little blunt. You need to get over this/yourself and just play. Most people are not scum reading you anymore. Your martyr play worked. Stop trying to get yourself lynched. If you are town, you are actively playing against your wincon and its really obnoxious. This game gets hostile at times sure but nothing in the thread this game has been over the top. There are two wagons going right now. Neither of them are you. Stop talking about yourself and start trying to find scum. Stop talking about VE and yourself and the lynch yesterday, that's done. Unless you think you can draw conclusions from it to find scum, just move on. I've been defending you and I'm getting tired of it. I'm not trying to be rude, you need to break out of whatever mindset you're in and focus on finding scum. Top town post from MZ. Mafia would sure enjoy copcake going off the rails. JAT still not voting Jealous.
Fine. I wanted to wait until I am through all the filters. But it takes very long and at this point (doing CC currently) I don't anticipate finding something better. I hope I can finish this today.
##Vote: Jealous
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On March 15 2024 03:05 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 03:01 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 02:56 Vivax wrote:On March 15 2024 02:42 justanothertownie wrote:
MZ is being downgraded from being town as of now. On March 15 2024 02:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 15 2024 02:43 CopCake wrote:On March 15 2024 00:50 iamperfection wrote:
I mean at just a surface level they have been all over the place. Making ridiculous statements but also almost begging to be lynched. Dosnt seem like the most likely scum mindset to me the more I think about it. Yes it's possible but the more and more I think it makes me think CC has a likelihood to be town. You say this but yes, there is a problem. I am a wild card. If I am alive I am a question mark, a red one. If I die, who is the mafia? I think that is the question that everyone should be asking because so far in many worlds I am mafia, just like VE and Tfrel for NOT TRYING ENOUGH OMG. VE is so inactive Cake doesnt make sense and is insane I am going to make a case on DMB about how many times she has said fucking in the thread Tfrel is not stepping up his game Are these good reasons to lynch? This looks more of a "I am lynching you because I am better than you" game. That is why I think I should get lynched. For town´s sake. Who knows, people might get a surprise. Cake I'm gonna be real with you and this may be a little blunt. You need to get over this/yourself and just play. Most people are not scum reading you anymore. Your martyr play worked. Stop trying to get yourself lynched. If you are town, you are actively playing against your wincon and its really obnoxious. This game gets hostile at times sure but nothing in the thread this game has been over the top. There are two wagons going right now. Neither of them are you. Stop talking about yourself and start trying to find scum. Stop talking about VE and yourself and the lynch yesterday, that's done. Unless you think you can draw conclusions from it to find scum, just move on. I've been defending you and I'm getting tired of it. I'm not trying to be rude, you need to break out of whatever mindset you're in and focus on finding scum. Top town post from MZ. Mafia would sure enjoy copcake going off the rails. JAT still not voting Jealous. Fine. I wanted to wait until I am through all the filters. But it takes very long and at this point (doing CC currently) I don't anticipate finding something better. I hope I can finish this today. ##Vote: Jealous I dont understand why Koshi calls you mafia when you were the ONLY one who came and said "Cake you are wrong, Koshi is like this and this and that" I also do not understand why you having fewer posts than a meta of 1867 makes you mafia.
You will have to ask Koshi. I am not able to understand his brain is wired. It is normal for him to incorrectly scumread me as town though.
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On March 15 2024 03:18 Vivax wrote:
I don't see many benefits of switching to Jealous here with this thread sentiment.
I can try but most of the town is forcing JAT vs Palmar.
What a defeatist attitude. JAT vs. Palmar is liable to lead to mafia victory in the end.
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On March 15 2024 03:20 Vivax wrote:
I'll be surprised if the feint on JAT works and we hit Jealous instead.
Not sure I trust JAT to keep his vote there but one can hope.
If you jubjubs are still on these terrible wagons when I have to head out I will vote Palmar to save myself.
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Copcake:
There was the early pressure by dp where she antagonized him openly.
On March 04 2024 21:05 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 20:54 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 17:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cake do you think DP's reasoning for calling you mafia last game when you were actually mafia was good? If I remember correctly, he called me mafia for having TMI for calling you town in a secure way. Which I applaud. Here, I honestly do not understand or I am pretty stupid. It's the exact same reason. Cakes literal first post of the game is this: On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote:
Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day?
Which she later states is her 'town circle' she has not interacted in a single way with either of these players, and I know from her last mafia game that town reads too early is a mafia tell for cake. This absolutely qualifies, further if they are town, it is also a blatant pocketing attempt. On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote:
Anyways, that doesnt change my read on him. He is a strong, secure player. He cares for other people’s opinions like when he was town in the game Slam was mafia. I don't see how that has changed at all in this game compare to the previous games. On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote:
In the marvvivaxcake game, I was asking many questions, he engaged and answered. He demanded answers.
Here, I ignored him and he did nothing until Oats came and started to talk about me. This is just wrong, in this game she was only posting roleplay about a tea party, I asked her a question, she left the thread, I asked slam about her alignment, she came back to the thread and I immediately asked her a follow up question. Here is the progression: On March 04 2024 14:14 DarthPunk wrote:
Any thoughts on alignments cake? she makes these two troll posts On March 04 2024 14:14 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 14:08 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 14:01 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 13:58 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote:
Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day?
Unfortunately I don't drink tea, why do you ask? @DarthPunk sorry I guess I misinterpreted what you were saying, I wasn't trying to misrepresent you. I'll let you do your thing instead of arguing over little nonsense. Out of character: it is just set up flavour, do not take it too literal, just enjoy the chat engagement. 🥂 Sure, I won't drink any tea but I can bring some water and see where it leads. Do not worry darling, all is ok as long is not poison. We do not want a purple wedding. On March 04 2024 14:20 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 14:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 04 2024 14:13 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 14:05 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote:
Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day?
It would be an honor for me. I bring some biscuits I am glad! It shall be a great time for sure my dear. Such a shame Lord Trfel decided to decline the invitation, there was a delicious cake and macaroons baked in his honor. @trfl How dare you! Who raised such an outrageous generation? Shhhh, is ok my darling, it seems there was a small missunderstanding. But you are right, this generation is quite something. I ask slam about her alignment when she is gone On March 04 2024 15:12 DarthPunk wrote:
Slam have you played a lot with cake? Then she arrives back in the thread with this: On March 04 2024 15:12 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 14:58 Alakaslam wrote:On March 04 2024 14:01 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 13:58 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote:
Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day?
Unfortunately I don't drink tea, why do you ask? @DarthPunk sorry I guess I misinterpreted what you were saying, I wasn't trying to misrepresent you. I'll let you do your thing instead of arguing over little nonsense. Out of character: it is just set up flavour, do not take it too literal, just enjoy the chat engagement. 🥂 How was T.h.i.s. important C A K E ? I have a bitterness not against cake indeed! I shall become foul. ???? What do you mean Mr Darcy? On March 04 2024 15:14 CopCake wrote:
🤭 This is so funny I immediately try to engage with her about the game, and she calls me out as mafia. then makes the below reads On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote:
In the marvvivaxcake game, I was asking many questions, he engaged and answered. He demanded answers.
Here, I ignored him and he did nothing until Oats came and started to talk about me. Which is untrue and also unfair, when she was interacting in the way that she did. On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote:
As someone who kinda “played” him, I would imagine he would try to figure me out asap. (Played as in I stayed alive and made him second guess TTT) and this which is as inaccurate a statement as you can make, considering I was the person in the thread who most actively tried to determine your alignment
On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote:
Thing is, DP is bravado, he has said so before such as “he controls lynches” and stuff like that.
Here, he is too quiet for the exception of calling me wolf. I literally have the most posts in the game at the point you called me mafia. On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote:
As I said before, if he was interested in me he would have called me out inmediatly for ignoring him and not just when Oats came. Idk it seems like lazy mafia using “I was right last time”
The fact you entered the thread in the manner in which you did, which is so different to the last game we played together, and then try to apply a meta read to me in about 1-2 hours of playing the game is just wrong. By the way, none of cakes post explains three good reasons why cake is mafia. 1.) why did she come into the game town reading two other players in her first post, so strongly that she called it a 'town circle' 2.) why has she actively and blatantly avoided taking stances and playing/progressing the game (i couldn't tell you a position she holds right now apart from me being mafia and her few town reads) 3.) she makes meta reads based on completely different and absurd circumstances, strong and confident ones at that. Tunnel me if you desire but I tend to do this. As town and as mafia. I tend to be like “Detective Glowing bear will your hold my hand and find mafia together?” And stuff like “Shockey, if you were a sea animal, what would you be?” For example, shockey said a killer whale which is a beast animal and he was mafia. I think mafia kinda out themselves when asked about random stuff, like if you ask for what they are listening to, they will more likely say something heavier than what they tend to listen usually. You should try this technique sometime. It is my own way of solving the game, there is a logic to it. I liked dumb a lot for calling you out, it felt natural. I also liked trfel and I have a mads respect for him after last game, therefore, invited into a “town circle”. I think the concept here is what you have trouble with. The fact they were invited doesnt mean I cant change my opinion of them which you are assuming. If Slam told you “yes I have played with cake a lot” does it have some value to you?
I still think this is not a mafia motivated play. Why would you needlessly anger town DP like that?
Is she known to bus?
On March 05 2024 05:10 CopCake wrote:##Vote: ToTheStars Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 14:55 ToTheStars wrote:
I also have a weak townlean on DP and Vivax
You guys are so slow with your day starts though, how can you make 0 votes in first 3 pages. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads. You are very confident you are going to survive late.
Looks good. Not a necessary bus at that point.
In general, I get the feeling that copcake is just playing her own game. I do not understand her logic most of the time but the instincts are towny. Questioning vivax is towny, questioning the check initially is towny. Going against strong town voices in the thread repeatedly is towny. This list was completely anti thread sentiment:
On March 06 2024 13:42 CopCake wrote:
I came with some conclusions
Town:
Koshi
Slam
Rels
Marv
MZ
Oats
Feels town
VE
Mafia
DP
Iamp
Vivax
The rest are wild cards
On March 07 2024 03:22 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 03:21 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:20 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:12 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 12:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 12:37 CopCake wrote:
So my theory is that Tfrel got lynched because mafia big boys are scared of him. He got lynched because of his end of day posts.I was about to swap to JAT and he basically claimed mafia ITT O_o Who are the mafia big boys who lynched Trfel though? My filter is there. Why are you asking me this? Because I thought you might enlighten me without me having to go to your filter. DP obviously. Who else? Iamp, Vivax, Palmar
I am not sure if mafia can play like this - would be insane. Her filter is really long and there is a (admittedly often hard to follow) thought process in all of those posts with unique thoughts. If there is something to hold against her it is how much of this she spends talking about the setup or the night actions (or dp) but by now she has provided loads of content that is unrelated to that. I get the feeling that this (analysing the mechanics first and foremost) is just how she approaches the game. I also don't think she would let me talk her out of her Koshi vote like that if she was scum.
I will refrain from quoting many posts since most of them have been discussed to death anyways. Should have read this filter earlier.
I will also refrain from giving a read on the self-voting since I think people should just stop doing that regardless of alignment. Also, the constant martyring.
Conclusion: I think she is town. Should really stop defending dmb for vig shot reasons though. The logic is faulty.
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On March 15 2024 04:02 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 03:18 Vivax wrote:
I don't see many benefits of switching to Jealous here with this thread sentiment.
I can try but most of the town is forcing JAT vs Palmar. Not completely opposed to the idea of shennies onto Rels
Weren't you calling him town earlier today?
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On March 15 2024 04:27 Koshi wrote:
Jealous dmb Rels.
Literally all on Oays.
That is what this JAT/Palmar tandem wants you to believe.
If you fall for that.
Sad. Just sad.
Why on earth would mafia not be on oats?
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On March 15 2024 04:35 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 02:57 CopCake wrote:On March 15 2024 02:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 15 2024 02:43 CopCake wrote:On March 15 2024 00:50 iamperfection wrote:
I mean at just a surface level they have been all over the place. Making ridiculous statements but also almost begging to be lynched. Dosnt seem like the most likely scum mindset to me the more I think about it. Yes it's possible but the more and more I think it makes me think CC has a likelihood to be town. You say this but yes, there is a problem. I am a wild card. If I am alive I am a question mark, a red one. If I die, who is the mafia? I think that is the question that everyone should be asking because so far in many worlds I am mafia, just like VE and Tfrel for NOT TRYING ENOUGH OMG. VE is so inactive Cake doesnt make sense and is insane I am going to make a case on DMB about how many times she has said fucking in the thread Tfrel is not stepping up his game Are these good reasons to lynch? This looks more of a "I am lynching you because I am better than you" game. That is why I think I should get lynched. For town´s sake. Who knows, people might get a surprise. Cake I'm gonna be real with you and this may be a little blunt. You need to get over this/yourself and just play. Most people are not scum reading you anymore. Your martyr play worked. Stop trying to get yourself lynched. If you are town, you are actively playing against your wincon and its really obnoxious. This game gets hostile at times sure but nothing in the thread this game has been over the top. There are two wagons going right now. Neither of them are you. Stop talking about yourself and start trying to find scum. Stop talking about VE and yourself and the lynch yesterday, that's done. Unless you think you can draw conclusions from it to find scum, just move on. I've been defending you and I'm getting tired of it. I'm not trying to be rude, you need to break out of whatever mindset you're in and focus on finding scum. What do you make of Iamp saving me? Because I am not satisfied with that answer. What do you think of these sequence: Post #128 On March 07 2024 23:45 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (10): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, Justanothertownie
die_meatbaby (1): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (6): Vivax, marvellosity, Palmar, Koshi, ToTheStars, VisceraEyes
With 10 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
And what did IAMP did on post #129? On March 08 2024 00:47 iamperfection wrote:
##unvote
##vote ToTheStars
and who followed? On March 08 2024 01:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
##unvote
##vote tts And there are more votes that look synchronized. I can unserstand people like Jacob and Slam sheeping, but there are too many votes that look... bad. What do you think of this JAT? Is it NAI?
I am currently reading his filter. Hard to say. I do not think saving you makes him town if you are town (I do give him townpoints for it though - I think mafia would have rather lynched you than VE, who they could just easily mislynch at any point). Obviously if you are mafia it is pretty bad. I do not believe it means a lot that Oats followed his vote there.
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On March 15 2024 04:37 Palmar wrote:
Remember that a lot of mafia play with constant fear of doing anything stupid and anti-town. It's one of the things that has kept a bunch of people alive this game.
This applies to voting too. Mafia has no idea if town chickens out of killing VE if he actually takes the lead. and as the wagon on VE grows, they ABSOLUTELY do not want to be the ones delivering the hammer blow on a townie over a red check. Only the very, very best mafia players take that challenge.
^^^^
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On March 15 2024 04:36 Koshi wrote:
I really think this is it.
JAT mafia explains the Oats moving away D1. MZ and Oats coming in later.
MZ sat a bit wrong with me around the dmb and CC stuf. He saw the light suddenly on Oats and that actually pinged me back then.
Palmar is just unholy incarnated. And with his demon friend JAT tjey are pushing dead and decay into this thread.
We put JAT and Palmar with their backs to the wall. They weaseled themselves back in, showed "effort" and are now pushing mafia agenda in this thread because they feel like they have done enough "effort"
Fucking murder them.
This is stupid. Even for your standards. How does me being mafia explain anything about day1. You think Oats just needlessly tries to get me killed if we are buddies? It was literally 9:7. He could have gone to Trfel without any problem. Or elsewhere.
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On March 15 2024 04:39 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 04:33 Palmar wrote:On March 15 2024 04:23 Koshi wrote:On March 09 2024 11:51 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (9): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, Justanothertownie, ToTheStars, Koshi, marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Vivax, Palmar, Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, CopCake
Palmar (0): Oatsmaster, CopCake, iamperfection, JacobStrangelove, CopCake
Jealous (0): CopCake
Justanothertownie (0): Vivax, Oatsmaster
ToTheStars (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster
marvellosity (0): Vivax
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
I am so fucking suspicious of both Palmar (Jealous Rels) and JAT (DMB and was ot also Jealous?) wanting or scumreading 2 people on Oats. Not everyone was there at the deadline. But you do make a point. It seems very likely that there is at least one if not two mafia in mz/cc/iamp But you also have to remember that mafia is playing with perfect information. They know that Oats is scum, they know the check is legit (whereas I mused about even lynching slam). They will be deathly afraid of being seen to go against the red check even if a bunch of stupid townies are doing it I think it’s perfectly reasonable that 3 mafia were on Oats to try to not get the attention that voting against a red check would give them If you vivax and I are pushing VE and we are all town, mafia would come over to our wagon. Lucky marv has a brain. The fact you and JAT push 3 people on that Oats wagon is simply ridiculous. That you dont attackbeachvother over this but just fill this thread with this nonsense is too much for me.
Yeah, marv has a brain. That's why he said mafia is probably rolling with the bus on oats. wtf man
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On March 15 2024 04:39 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 04:33 Palmar wrote:On March 15 2024 04:23 Koshi wrote:On March 09 2024 11:51 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (9): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, Justanothertownie, ToTheStars, Koshi, marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Vivax, Palmar, Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, CopCake
Palmar (0): Oatsmaster, CopCake, iamperfection, JacobStrangelove, CopCake
Jealous (0): CopCake
Justanothertownie (0): Vivax, Oatsmaster
ToTheStars (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster
marvellosity (0): Vivax
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
I am so fucking suspicious of both Palmar (Jealous Rels) and JAT (DMB and was ot also Jealous?) wanting or scumreading 2 people on Oats. Not everyone was there at the deadline. But you do make a point. It seems very likely that there is at least one if not two mafia in mz/cc/iamp But you also have to remember that mafia is playing with perfect information. They know that Oats is scum, they know the check is legit (whereas I mused about even lynching slam). They will be deathly afraid of being seen to go against the red check even if a bunch of stupid townies are doing it I think it’s perfectly reasonable that 3 mafia were on Oats to try to not get the attention that voting against a red check would give them If you vivax and I are pushing VE and we are all town, mafia would come over to our wagon. Lucky marv has a brain. The fact you and JAT push 3 people on that Oats wagon is simply ridiculous. That you dont attackbeachvother over this but just fill this thread with this nonsense is too much for me.
On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check.
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Iamp:
There are some very early interactions with Oats resulting in this:
On March 04 2024 12:29 iamperfection wrote:
+10 town points for oats though for not reading the op
but also +10 dummy points
On March 04 2024 12:31 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:30 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:29 iamperfection wrote:
+10 town points for oats though for not reading the op
but also +10 dummy points Why does that make him town? town are slightly more likely to not be aware of the setup and freely post about it like a dummy imo. only slightly though
Generally alright. NAI
On March 05 2024 01:32 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:27 Trfel wrote:
Raynpelikoneet, why do you think iamperfection is town?
I kinda think the opposite. He's been throwing side comments without getting involved or invested.
I think he is completely and utterly useless as mafia, and too lazy to form almost any reasonable trains of thoughts. I don't see it being like that here. Just look at the game that got cancelled last year for reference. Excuse me. My win rate as mafia is extremely high.
Huh, is it? I was working under the assumption his mafia play was obvious.
He is going against Vivax on day1. Which is fine, towny even.
On March 05 2024 09:00 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 15:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 15:06 DarthPunk wrote:
Oats looking better.
Why? I’m doing the same shit I was earlier Does a scum post this?
meh. Why is this formulated as a question? Is he fishing for townreads on Oats without comitting himself?
On March 05 2024 14:59 iamperfection wrote:
2) Oatsmaster- eh I guess there may be some pots where there was genuine confusion. Tinfoil marv and rayn are mafia together I guess would more likely come from town. So slight town read
18) ToTheStars- useless might be scum might be not fine vig target
Further non commital on Oats. TTS read is good.
On March 06 2024 11:26 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:25 Trfel wrote:
Yeah sorry, been dealing with some mental health issues, combined with being horrendous on day 1, has made it hard to find mafia or be very effective.
I think raynpelikoneet's play was very solid early on, he feels much more genuine than last game. It feels like he really cares about what he's doing. So I think he is town, same with marvellosity and sandroba by association. I would be very hesitant about suspecting these three. Kinda think DarthPunk is town as well, but I could be wrong.
I don't have any great scumreads unfortunately, or I would have shared them. I still don't like the way iamperfection was playing but I have vague memories of that just being his playstyle so I could be wrong.
Not sure what Vivax is doing with his "reasons" to suspect me. There are reasons I could be mafia, he managed to not find them but is very passionate about it anyway. I don't know if that means anything though. if your lying about the mental health issues i applaud you.
This would be a pretty awful post as mafia tbh.
On March 07 2024 12:40 iamperfection wrote:
Oats your mission should you choose to accept it is to spew as much towness as possible this cycle. Then we can lynch VE if not i salute you my friend.
Not sure he would say this to his scumbuddy...
On March 08 2024 08:11 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 08:09 ToTheStars wrote:
I saw that there was a guilty on Oats? Who claimed the guilty? This really feels like an act to me.
Hmmmm. Makes sense to bus at this point. But is a fair observation in general. One of the few people actually scumreading TTS.
On March 08 2024 10:35 iamperfection wrote:TTSYes i have had some fear of possible lynch bait but the word choice he has used looks like a blatant act to me. Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 18:20 ToTheStars wrote:
DP and Vivax what are your reads?
All I remember of Day 1 is that I was townreading you two, maybe rayn, also alakaslam. And scumreading trfel but I think they flipped town? I think they flipped town? like come on nobody would talk like that its clearly an act. Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 08:09 ToTheStars wrote:
I saw that there was a guilty on Oats? Who claimed the guilty? He was aware that there was a check but somehow also dosnt know who claimed. A town member would go look i think he is blatantly trying to look like a noob so we dont lynch him.
That was quite terrible:
On March 09 2024 00:30 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 00:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Eh let’s get something going
##unvote
##vote ve Sure
If there is a strong mafia player going for saving Oats it might be Iamp. Sounds like a losing strategy though.
If CC and Palmar are town Iamp was pushing mafia agenda quite heavily.
Day3 Lynch:
On March 12 2024 10:49 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 10:31 Rels wrote:
But from where I am in my catching up, VE should 100% be the lynch. The only post I didn't dislike was the Koshi case, but apart from that, textbook scum. Come back with a few big posts at the best time to not waste effort, during the last half of the day. Write cases that sound good but doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Martyr and GTFO i kind of feel the same about this.
I think his engagement looks good. He clearly cares about the outcome. If CC is town it does not clear him but it looks good. Mafia probably prefers to mislynch her. If CC is mafia this is a power move.
He reacts quite explosively to Palmar calling him mafia.
On March 14 2024 06:58 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 06:58 Palmar wrote:
I've for some reason played extremely carefully this game and it's gotten me nowhere. I've sat on reads to try to placate people and be a good boy but I think i'm just kinda done with it.
I think iamp is mafia OK stay on palmar
On March 14 2024 07:00 iamperfection wrote:
Out palmar
On March 14 2024 07:08 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 07:06 Palmar wrote:On March 14 2024 07:03 iamperfection wrote:On March 14 2024 07:02 Vivax wrote:
Palmar is another one of those ‚I think he may be lying every time he posts but does it make him mafia‘ types
I‘m going to stay on Jealous I‘ve had it with iamp telling me to stay on cop yesterday then lynching Ve now he wants to lynch Palmar Vivax he comes back to the thread and says I'm mafia and doesn't even humor us with a reason. He is mafia I kinda made the case earlier. The point is you've been obstinate to the point of strangeness at way too many times in this thread. Couple that with the feel of "just existing" thing I've talked about before. Tbf the most towny thing you've done this game is try to lynch me. Palamr how can you say I have been just existing in this game. I literally hammered ve I exposed the masons at the start and showed why rayn was town. I was the one that explained why tts was mafia when he came back. I lead the charge on trfel I literally post almost 24/7 wtf are you talking about. You have to be mafia
I think a little anger is warranted since Palmar gave him the same undeserved treatment he gave me. It still seems a bit over the top though.
Overall I have treated Iamp as town all game. Reason was - as mentioned before - that I had some mindmeld moments when reading the start of the game and he continued to post reasonably the whole game. Has a lot of interactions with the flipped mafia. Day2 vote was bad. Day3 vote was good if CC is town.
Conclusion: Not lock town but definitely not lynching today. Could be theoretically be the scumleader though. Especially if CC is mafia.
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Rels:
Very good early reads:
On March 05 2024 03:17 Rels wrote:Voting ToTheStars, mainly for his last post. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads. I hate the last paragraph in particular. So much words to justify this weak vote. It looks like he's afraid to do something that might be suspicious and is asking permission The rest of his filter is also nothing
On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard
On March 05 2024 05:11 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:09 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 05:06 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:54 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:53 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:52 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:44 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:43 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote:
Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him What post? His running for mayor post On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord. Meh, I don't really see it. Not that I think it's townie, but I don't see the insecurity? insincerity As in he isn't really running for mayor So the fact that he hasn't posted since his first spray of post? It makes him a lurker but I don't understand why it makes him scum Why are you fighting this so much? Do you have a better vote? 1. You call it fighting, I don't, it's called discussing. I don't have a townread on VE. I want to understand what he did that is considered scummy because I don't see it 2. And yeah, mine. I think ToTheStars has the highest chance of flipping scum if the deadline was right now
What I still don't like is the way Rels went from Palmar to me on day1:
On March 06 2024 09:10 Rels wrote:
Gotta go. I would say out of the options I have, my preference would be Palmar > JAT > random lurker (out of those, I still think TTS has the highest chance of flipping scum)
Still think Trfel is town, I would prefer any random lurker over him
When he was really really sure about Palmar.
On March 06 2024 09:11 Rels wrote:I don't know if everyone jumped off Palmar, but that's the scummiest thing that happened in the game in my opinion: Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:19 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:12 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 08:07 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 09:51 Palmar wrote:
Cba arguing with marv now but did make a mental note of him posting about vivax probably being town but not wanting to mayor him. Weird take because voting town mayor is always best. Can just bully them into lynching theme way we want.
But ironically I’m not sure marv would call me mafia as scum because he has no idea if I’m gonna put in work tomorrow or be lazy. But it’s all very weak and I’m not day 1 lynching players who can be relied on to actually try later on in the game.
I liked some Koshi posts
This is what I had in mind. Less strong than I thought but yeah, at the beginning of the marv push, the mentality was "marv wouldn't push me as scum". Let's see where that changes On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
--- Wall of text --- Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird? I guess there, throwing shade at marv Because I wanted marv to change his mind during my flurry of posting this morning. He failed to do so correctly and is has received a citation for that. That's not true. Here you were surprised at marv not changing his mind: On March 05 2024 23:53 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 23:50 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 22:12 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread. It looks really, really bad for you guys that you're all just checked out of the game but claim to be active in the thread. At least be a man and just actually check out of the game like me. Whoever is town of you three needs to start getting shit done in the thread. I’m getting you lynched bro. Wait you still think I'm mafia? Did you read my last 2 pages? But you were throwing shade at him before that point: On March 05 2024 22:12 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread. It looks really, really bad for you guys that you're all just checked out of the game but claim to be active in the thread. At least be a man and just actually check out of the game like me. Whoever is town of you three needs to start getting shit done in the thread. On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
--- Wall of text --- Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird? On March 05 2024 22:48 Palmar wrote:
I need Sandroba to come convince me his mason buddies aren't just mafia.
I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it. Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:30 Rels wrote:
"I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it." => then 1 hour later "Wait you still think I'm mafia?"
?????
And then completely uncritically followed Palmar onto me.
Still on point:
On March 08 2024 12:31 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 10:35 iamperfection wrote:Just organizing my thoughts VEIf you look at a lot of his posts he has no real opinions and goes in to general mafia guidance mode such as saying mafia would do this or probably act like this but not attaching it to any player. Makes promises of providing more content but never really does. He even complains that he wont have meaningful read until a flip happens. Well there have been several flips and claims and still he has not provided anything meaningful VE is old school scum where he just keeps making promises and does just enough posting to try and survive. He has no interest in figuring out the game and who is mafia because he is mafia. TTSYes i have had some fear of possible lynch bait but the word choice he has used looks like a blatant act to me. On March 07 2024 18:20 ToTheStars wrote:
DP and Vivax what are your reads?
All I remember of Day 1 is that I was townreading you two, maybe rayn, also alakaslam. And scumreading trfel but I think they flipped town? I think they flipped town? like come on nobody would talk like that its clearly an act. On March 08 2024 08:09 ToTheStars wrote:
I saw that there was a guilty on Oats? Who claimed the guilty? He was aware that there was a check but somehow also dosnt know who claimed. A town member would go look i think he is blatantly trying to look like a noob so we dont lynch him. PalmarI feel like he is hiding behind the "way" he plays in order to just make useless posts in attempt to show actvivity with no real meaning behind them. He avoided all possible content that would give reads because he isnt really looking for that. He heavily ignored the whisper mechanic and seems perplexed about even though an unconfirmed mason is absolutely a role palmar would be aware which is what this basically is. If you look at his content he basically tunneled rayn and refused any evidence to try and figure out rayns alignment. He has a list post with no reasoning probably because he found it too hard to get real ones. He constantly has posts were he could give an opinion but simply doesn't. Palmar is not trying to catch mafia because he is mafia. AWESOME find on TTS! "And scumreading trfel but I think they flipped town?" cannot ever make sense if it is not faked to appear clueless town??? 100% scum
On March 08 2024 13:56 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 13:43 DarthPunk wrote:
Rels can I get a list post of your reads please? Scum: Palmar, TTS, VE, Oats Possibly scum: DMB Town: The rest apart from Jealous for which I have no read
On March 09 2024 14:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 14:33 Jealous wrote:
My argument is that it is more implausible than plausible, basically. To me the margins are similar to "does Alakaslam fake being cop" or "can Oats really be miller." For me the answer to all of these was also a probabilistic "no." This one is less clear-cut partially due to Oats playing a great mafia at EOD2 so it might be plausible he had the idea already locked and loaded as a reaction to a reveal by Slam, for example. But I am going to base my decisions in this being unlikely until something forces me to reconsider.
In any case, I feel there are better lynch targets than DMB before we get there at the moment, and this helps wide the divide if I assume it as null hypothesis basically. 100% agree that the reaction time to vote a random partner immediately after being red check is super implausible But that's not the case there. The DMB bullet was loaded more than 24 hours previously
On March 09 2024 15:10 Rels wrote:I think I hate this big "I'll list all Oats reads" post from Jealous. It really appears to be easy busywork to appear active and involved. I even hate this header, nobody cares: Show nested quote +I don't want to misrep Oats so I will be limiting to what I consider reads to being their "votes" in this thread and if they ever directly say that someone is scummy/town. Simply "I don't like this (post)" is not enough IMO. In chronological order" I hate that it was updated 2 more times ( here and here). Smells like both an easy way to have a conversation with a partner and an easy way to do busywork
On March 10 2024 09:46 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 23:31 marvellosity wrote:On March 09 2024 23:27 iamperfection wrote:On March 09 2024 23:24 marvellosity wrote:
This isn’t a democracy I'll give you one for sure then you give me one. TTS I think these people are town DP Vivax Jealous Palmar Cc Jsl Iamp Koshi Slam Poe is the rest. But tbh I would be shocked if all the above are town. I think we have the exact same list if Jealous is swapped for JAT. Why Jealous?
On March 11 2024 13:33 Rels wrote:
My mind is here:
Scum
VE is almost confirmed scum IMO. My scumread started at the fake anger against rayn D1 (or N1? But I think D1), but the rest of his play since then is just an admission of being scum.
CC this cycle has been really, really scummy with her play. Martyring but still hanging out with no real objective and mainly discussing roles and KP targets. It really feels like a mafia that know they will be lynched but also know they have to participate in order to not play against their wincon
DMB has already been very scummy. I know she's has been scumread a lot s town, but the points that I think is not correlated to her style are her entrance where she spoke only in general terms until she was called out on it(I know at least by me, maybe others too), and the dumbtell in particular that looked very forced. Also was not a fan on how she behaved when marv/DP pushed her yesterday. I still haven't had the time to read one of her towngame, that's something that I will need to do
Jealous I hated a few posts from them. Already summarized it for marv yesterday, but basically, I have the feeling that his big posts are there to be townie / believable, not there because they're genuine. Contrary to some other takes I've seen, I didn't find anything particularly townie about them, if we exclude activity. I might be wrong, but I think his take on Vivax earlier was the first time he posted something that really resonated with me, and it was not even alignment related
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[town]Town[/town]
JAT I've thought was townie for a while for some of his posts and analyses N1, but TBH this is becoming to become weaker and weaker. I can't remember anything they've done lately - I know they've been somewhat active, but can't remember a single thing that influenced my reads. Probably the weakest of my townreads.
Koshi is someone that I thought multiple times was falling off, but actually hit a sprea of posts after catching up and thought once again he was being extremely townie with the way he thought and jumped from idea to idea. Very strong townread.
Palmar, just quoted my reasonning to MZ earlier, really, really don't think he makes those dumbtells as an experienced player. I know dumbtell are always tempting as scum, but this feels like too much, especially in this game where people are being scumread for dumbtells already. I also really liked his last list post (last in the part of the game I've read, haven't read the last 24 hours).
DP is super, super town, in addition to actually having played against their wincon if they're scum by shooting a partner instead of a scummy townie.
MZ has been so doubtful and involved in D2 when there was no reason to, very very strong townread.
iamperfection is a somewhat strong townread. I actualy never filtered him so I'm probably missing a bunch of his posts, but several times, he posted stuff that was either a great find or exactly what I thought at the time.
Vivax is JK. If he's scum and we really have no other protective role, I'm blaming balance there.
JSL is confirmed town.
13 players so I'm missing someone.
Whelp I guess it's me lol
He has a very similar world view to where I am at right now. In general, we think quite similarly. Apparently also about how to play mafia:
On March 14 2024 10:14 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 10:05 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax how good is Rels at scum play?
Cause when I think about him I think he has to be town cause he is always saying the right thing.
But some players can do that, especially when they are mafia because they know all alignments.
There were some posts of his that look like obvious soft bus and push attempts so o can see where dmb is coming from.
If Rels is town and so correct why has he not had any influence this game except I think for saving cc? I can of course bus if needed, but my preferred strategy is to get my team town cred and control the lynch candidates to have the right number of potential mislynches to win the game. If I do bus, I tend to do it hard Actually got some proof I knew I had posted this somewhere, this is from my scum Discord I had with rayn and CopCake (Chezinu Streak Mafia): Show nested quote +
please rayn refrain your instincts to bus me :p I know you play scum like this. So actually if you play like this it's also OK I don't want to impose. But I think we have a real shot at becoming the thread deciders if we townread each other and have a good time in thread?
or if you attack me becuse you think I'll be lynched today or tomorrow, please push me hard so you can distance yourself :p but the kind of soft push you did (I don't really like you but Tube is worse etc) I think was pretty partner telling
maybe I'm overestimating the posts I just did :p so I guess it depends on how people reacts when they wake up while I sleep
I think I did a pretty good job!
but I also thought that D1 so ....
lol
anyway, good night!
I buy this. Hence his pressure on TTS and Oats looks even better.
Conclusion: Town. Playing a very strong game.
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To add: Rels went to VE with Iamp. Makes Rels even townier than Iamp depending on CCs alignment.
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I am at:
Jealous/DMB/xxx -> possibly MZ
Or someone is fooling me.
Tinfoil world is:
CC/Iamp/xxx
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On March 15 2024 06:14 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 06:14 DarthPunk wrote:
Although I will say he has posted a lot of reads today. So that is kinda of defeating the reason I thought he was mafia. He does it so he gains towncred so he can push people off Palmar. Be very fucking wary if he suddenly starts hard pushing stuff in this thread.
Amazing.
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On March 15 2024 06:15 Koshi wrote:
JAT hasn't done shit so far. But he is doing all this so they can lead town into oblivion.
Fuck you. I have done a shitton more than you today. Your 2 sentences don't even go together.
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On March 15 2024 06:19 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 06:17 DarthPunk wrote:
And why have we ruled out cake koshi? I guess I missed that part in the catchup? I don't know DP. I just don't know why I can't read her mafia. I think she can't be mafia with a lot of people after the VE/CC lynch. Especially not Jealous for example. Not with Rels. MZ would be unlikely as he really wanted me to lynch her. Only iamp is left. And 1 our of Palmar/JAT. And I do not think iamp is mafia. So then it is CC/JAT and who? Also Palmar?
Why is jealous town? Or dmb?
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On March 15 2024 06:23 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 06:22 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 06:19 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 06:17 DarthPunk wrote:
And why have we ruled out cake koshi? I guess I missed that part in the catchup? I don't know DP. I just don't know why I can't read her mafia. I think she can't be mafia with a lot of people after the VE/CC lynch. Especially not Jealous for example. Not with Rels. MZ would be unlikely as he really wanted me to lynch her. Only iamp is left. And 1 our of Palmar/JAT. And I do not think iamp is mafia. So then it is CC/JAT and who? Also Palmar? Why is jealous town? Or dmb? Why do you towncase Rels in a Palmar vs you situation. Should be a case on Jealous what are you his support ?
I don't understand what you are saying. I think Palmar and Rels are town. Why would I not? I did case Jealous. You cannot have missed it?
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I cased every single player except for DP, Vivax & Koshi.
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On March 15 2024 06:25 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 06:22 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 06:19 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 06:17 DarthPunk wrote:
And why have we ruled out cake koshi? I guess I missed that part in the catchup? I don't know DP. I just don't know why I can't read her mafia. I think she can't be mafia with a lot of people after the VE/CC lynch. Especially not Jealous for example. Not with Rels. MZ would be unlikely as he really wanted me to lynch her. Only iamp is left. And 1 our of Palmar/JAT. And I do not think iamp is mafia. So then it is CC/JAT and who? Also Palmar? Why is jealous town? Or dmb? Jealous could be mafia with who? CC who he is pushing 24/7? Rels? not really after tonight. So MZ? Ok I think that is possible. Then what? I keep ending up on Palmar/JAT. But you 2 refuse to read each other mafia. Palmar did it a little bit but it felt fake as fuck tbh. He just divided his own wagon between you 2 and then you 2 did the work and tried to push us off you. Why are you not weirded out that Palmar breaks up his own wagon and gets 4 votes on you. Why were you not at least a bit suspicious of Palmar after VE flip? You read some filters now and it all sounds like you read it for the first time. So why were you not more wary of Palmar before? I do not understand.
I was not wary of Palmar because I trust marvs read. Thought that was obvious.
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On March 15 2024 06:31 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 06:27 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 06:25 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 06:22 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 06:19 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 06:17 DarthPunk wrote:
And why have we ruled out cake koshi? I guess I missed that part in the catchup? I don't know DP. I just don't know why I can't read her mafia. I think she can't be mafia with a lot of people after the VE/CC lynch. Especially not Jealous for example. Not with Rels. MZ would be unlikely as he really wanted me to lynch her. Only iamp is left. And 1 our of Palmar/JAT. And I do not think iamp is mafia. So then it is CC/JAT and who? Also Palmar? Why is jealous town? Or dmb? Jealous could be mafia with who? CC who he is pushing 24/7? Rels? not really after tonight. So MZ? Ok I think that is possible. Then what? I keep ending up on Palmar/JAT. But you 2 refuse to read each other mafia. Palmar did it a little bit but it felt fake as fuck tbh. He just divided his own wagon between you 2 and then you 2 did the work and tried to push us off you. Why are you not weirded out that Palmar breaks up his own wagon and gets 4 votes on you. Why were you not at least a bit suspicious of Palmar after VE flip? You read some filters now and it all sounds like you read it for the first time. So why were you not more wary of Palmar before? I do not understand. I was not wary of Palmar because I trust marvs read. Thought that was obvious. Well. We will see endgame. We haven't played since long and maybe you tell the truth. I simply do not believe it. What I do believe is that you are mafia and that you forgot that you needed to have scumreads at the ready. And that a flip changes things around. I am upset that both you and Palmar didn't show brainactivity in your PoE list after the VE list. I find it super sus. I gave you guys an entire day to do shit and read each other. It was subpar and it felt mafia buddies gaining towncred and then pushing votes off each other as soon as I saw that Jealous/Rels/dmb shit.
Well, we can be lucky that we can afford a mislynch on one of us if this is how you want to act. I just hope you get your shit together afterwards.
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On March 15 2024 06:32 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 06:29 DarthPunk wrote:
If palmar flips town and you are town koshi. Marv and myself will be absolutely insufferable. I hope you realise that. It's fine. I am always insufferable so the only ones that loses will be the people playing with us.
word
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She is probably mafia and quite happy about town destroying itself.
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On March 15 2024 06:36 DarthPunk wrote:
JAT ote cake with me. We aren’t voting jealous today that is a wasted vote.
That's not better than Palmar. I'll have to politely decline.
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On March 15 2024 06:39 DarthPunk wrote:
I want cake or JAT this phase.
Why? Low impact - low presence? You are better than this.
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On March 15 2024 06:41 Palmar wrote:
@jat did you read what I posted about Rels this phase?
I can have a look. I might have missed it while filtering.
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On March 15 2024 06:43 CopCake wrote:🥰 Look people from the Obvs that I tried, tried to work with DP. Just remember, town, DP is not cleared. If he start his emo stuff do not buy it. FAQ: Plurality lynch. In the case of a tied vote the first player to obtain the most votes is lynched. Mafia kp is carried. Each night the mafia must designate a player to carry each kill. Players may visit multiple people. Mafia cannot hold their shot. Town may vote for a no lynch Self voting is allowed.Mafia communications will be held over discord. ##vote: copcake
You are not helping anyone by voting yourself. Please stop it.
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On March 15 2024 06:45 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 06:40 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 06:36 DarthPunk wrote:
JAT ote cake with me. We aren’t voting jealous today that is a wasted vote. That's not better than Palmar. I'll have to politely decline. wtf why is it not better than your Town read palmar when cake is in your Poe?
I townread both. CC is only in the tinfoil scenario.
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Can't stay either. I'll be flying to the UK early tomorrow.
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On March 15 2024 06:58 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 06:53 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 06:45 DarthPunk wrote:On March 15 2024 06:40 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 06:36 DarthPunk wrote:
JAT ote cake with me. We aren’t voting jealous today that is a wasted vote. That's not better than Palmar. I'll have to politely decline. wtf why is it not better than your Town read palmar when cake is in your Poe? I townread both. CC is only in the tinfoil scenario. Walk me in this Have I actually me tunneled on DP? I mean I try - from my perspective - go to other directions and he comes like and repeats I am mafia. There are several attemps of me trying to work with him but I get ignored. Notice how he just woke up? And said lynch cake when he doesnt even cared to check my reads - bad or not - about iamp. It is difficult to play this game. My scenario of iamp/DP/palmar works perfectly Jacob gives him a gun Kill TTS to win town cred Similar to what Oats and Iamp were doing while trying to lynch TTS the second day to save Oats
DP shot mafia. We gained a mislynch. If he is alive in LYLO you can think about killing him. Right now that is not productive.
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On March 14 2024 19:08 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 18:56 Koshi wrote:On March 14 2024 07:12 Palmar wrote:
I'm just gonna go say Rels is lock town.
You said this. And then twice that Rels has TMI. Nothing else in past 12 hours. So weak. Rels is town because he has been extremely right this game, outside of his tunnel on me. The TMI joke is simply because of just how much he has been right, I thought you'd understand that. The only weird actual possible TMI thing that he has done is his response to MZs case on me: Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 10:35 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 15:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:I have been hesitant to scumread Palmar bc I had that TR of him early, masoned him but got blown off so I couldn’t make any real determination, and he was drunk posting with me. That said I think Rels looks terrible right now and some of that has been his association and disassociation with his Palmar reads. Palmar has also been scumreading me for most of the game so I’ve been careful trying to not let that cloud my judgement. That said, it’s time to address his scumread of me or lack thereof. On March 09 2024 07:01 Palmar wrote:
God I'm so lazy and bad at this game.
This sums up my read of Palmar tonight. On March 06 2024 06:54 Palmar wrote:
As for other people.
I stand by the sandroba townread, koshi is probably town too. I like Oats a lot more now for actually making sense. I also like JSL and Vivax.
I'd need VE to actually step up some again, same with Trfel. I had some reads on both but they're weak. DMB is also a weak maybe townread.
iamperfection is making sense, but the guy is smart enough to make sense when there is no pressure on him as either alignment.
DP is a little more wildcardy to me this game, I haven't always agreed with his takes.
TTS, JEalous, Hapa just need to be policied out.
I've not read or even noticed Rels at all which is a bad omen.
rayn is weird to me. I'm again getting the feeling that he's just posting a lot and saying very little, also I really, really don't like that he's not pressuring marv at all in the mason QT it seems.
Idk about CopCake, nothjin one way or the other.
MZ looks kinda bad, but it's very weak as I haven't really read him. MZ bad but haven’t read him On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote:
I'm finalizing here.
I like a bunch of mafia in:
rayn
jat
rels
mz
tts
then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy
vivax
trfel
hapa
then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve
iamp
marv
jealous
copcake
slam
ve
and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town
sandro
oats
dp
dmb
jls
koshi
None of the lists are in any particular order
I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever. I’m in his mafia category On March 09 2024 07:11 Palmar wrote:
Essentially it comes down to:
I really need to filter dive CopCake, DMB, MZ, Rels and JSL because there's like 3 mafia in there.
One is probably either Oats or Slam, unless we're just the unluckiest town in the world.
Also if Slam and Vivax are genuinely town and both claimed on day 1, we deserve to lose.
There's gonna be a hidden mafia there somewhere. MZ in the Mafia but have to filter dive category On March 09 2024 07:30 Palmar wrote:
MZ doesn't look great in our topic.
But to be fair, neither do I cause I don't talk to him. More MZ not great On March 10 2024 20:21 Palmar wrote:
There is 3 mafia in mz/rels/jat/iamp/ve MZ again On March 10 2024 20:56 Palmar wrote:
I actually think we should be lynching MZ as an alternative Lynch MZ On March 11 2024 19:22 Palmar wrote:On March 11 2024 18:33 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Yeah like okay this is the world Cop DMB DP and I and VIvax are all town.
Lets even say VE is scum.
Who's the last two? Lol this doesn't matter for now. To put the game in perspective, we're basically in a normal 13 player game of town vs mafia. 10 town, 3 mafia. But we have two VERY likely "blue checks" (you and DP). We also have like 200 pages of bullshit that can be parsed. We're in a great position. We can mislynch 3 times and still be in the game. The current state of the game demands simple playing. We're not in lylo, we're not even close to lylo. We should not be tinfoiling for hidden mafia. We need to be killing the people who have stereotypical scum characteristics, and first and foremost amongst them is VE. He is not interested in the game, isn't helping to solve it, seems to not be enjoying playing etc. Consider it a pseudo policy lynch, which is almost always a good idea in day 1 on a normal game. I can't stress enough how important it's to just keep a happy disposition. We're in a stronger than expected position. There is no need to panic, just calmly keep analyzing the game. The one weakness of the game is that very little information can be gained from the last 2 days because they have been semi-default lynches. Which is another reason why resolving VE is great for the state of the game. I'll happily reconsider if VE starts looking supertown. Also to answer your question... MZ and JAT? MZ with a big old question mark On March 12 2024 00:54 Palmar wrote:
By the way I think CC should not be lynched and have a slight townread. I understand the waffling and self-doubt and giving up can be faked, but it still is more likely to come from town than scum.
I also think dmb sounds a lot more reasonable this game than last game.
For one reason or another, I'm not really considering the following people right now:
dp
jls
koshi
cc
dmb
vivax
Then there's like two people I just need to actually get off my ass and read
jealous
iamp
rels
and then there's the people I actively think could be mafia
jat
mz
ve
Remember, to me I'm really thinking about the game as a "day 1" situation where we have plenty of time and mislynches left. I am not really questioning weaker townreads and tinfoil theories at the moment, there is no need to. Oh boy guess who’s scum again On March 12 2024 23:39 Palmar wrote:
Still don't like MZ, but again, it's just preliminary filtering, not a full read. I have been Palmar’s main scumread most of the game and he has done literally nothing about it. Every single time he calls me scum, he caveats his read so that while I’m his number one choice, he’s always got a reason why he’s not sure, maybe he just puts a question mark there or maybe it’s because he hasn’t read my filter, or maybe he needs to reread me. We're all busy but it's D3 and he's still using these excuses. He’s used every reason possible to not actually stand behind his scumread of me, push his scumread of me, or do anything but sheep along with whatever wagon that’s been convenient for the last 2 days. He is not actually serious about this read. It gets lost in the churn of the thread since he hasn’t been very active but it’s painfully clear when you read his filter. I think he keeps expecting to come back to the thread and for there to be a wagon on me that he can hop on and push but then have plausible deniability because he won't have been the primary push for me despite shading me the entire game. I think Palmar is scum with Rels, tbd who their teammate is at the moment. I have a part 2 of this analysis which is going to look at the connections between those two but that’s gonna have to wait bc its way past my bedtime and I have work tomorrow. Not on bad post on Palmar TBH Kinda townie from MZ too, thinking about the game as a whole and thinking about Palmar and I being partner. If Palmar is town, that means that this analysis is thrown out the window as soon as one of us flips After declaring Rels lock town this is giving me pause. Maybe he should not be in my town circle and Koshi can be a full member instead. The point is, Rels knows I'm more likely to flip than him. So instead of commenting on the quality of the case, or refuting it, he simply goes for the "Well when Palmar is dead and flips town I'm cleared" approach. It's a weird takeaway, considering that Rels personally thinks I'm mafia and has thought that the entire game. Yet the only option/outcome of MZs analysis he comments on is the reverse of what Rels actually thinks is going to happen. He seems not worried at all what it means if I flip mafia, which then in turn, according to MZ should implicate Rels.
On March 14 2024 19:19 Palmar wrote:
Someone vet my work, am I blowing this out of proportion? I
1: MZ makes a case on me and rels being mafia together
2: Rels says case is good, and if I flip town it has to be thrown out the window
Problem with 2 is Rels doesn't think I'm town, so why mention it, instead of pointing out why the case is wrong in associating us as mafia.
The solution to that is that Rels KNOWS I'm town and is using the opportunity to clear himself on my townflip.
If Rels is town and thinks I'm mafia, why isn't his primary concern to convince MZ that the association is wrong? Instead of just saying "good case, means I'm clear when palmar flips town".
I agree that addition is a bit weird. But why write that as mafia?
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On March 15 2024 07:02 Vivax wrote:
JAT got himself scumread enough so he could sheep me on Jealous and pretend it's his read so he got himself a case for acting all smug in postgame
I even apologized to you for not seeing it earlier. What are you talking about.
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On March 15 2024 07:01 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 06:59 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 06:58 CopCake wrote:On March 15 2024 06:53 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 06:45 DarthPunk wrote:On March 15 2024 06:40 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 06:36 DarthPunk wrote:
JAT ote cake with me. We aren’t voting jealous today that is a wasted vote. That's not better than Palmar. I'll have to politely decline. wtf why is it not better than your Town read palmar when cake is in your Poe? I townread both. CC is only in the tinfoil scenario. Walk me in this Have I actually me tunneled on DP? I mean I try - from my perspective - go to other directions and he comes like and repeats I am mafia. There are several attemps of me trying to work with him but I get ignored. Notice how he just woke up? And said lynch cake when he doesnt even cared to check my reads - bad or not - about iamp. It is difficult to play this game. My scenario of iamp/DP/palmar works perfectly Jacob gives him a gun Kill TTS to win town cred Similar to what Oats and Iamp were doing while trying to lynch TTS the second day to save Oats DP shot mafia. We gained a mislynch. If he is alive in LYLO you can think about killing him. Right now that is not productive. Yeah but to be alive to get shit on me? I am not insane. At least when I am dead and I flip town, the REAL town will look at him.
I don't think people will look more closely than they would anyways if he survives several more nightphases. A better idea is to try and lynch mafia today. Even if dp is mafia there are more.
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On March 15 2024 07:05 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 07:04 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 19:08 Palmar wrote:On March 14 2024 18:56 Koshi wrote:On March 14 2024 07:12 Palmar wrote:
I'm just gonna go say Rels is lock town.
You said this. And then twice that Rels has TMI. Nothing else in past 12 hours. So weak. Rels is town because he has been extremely right this game, outside of his tunnel on me. The TMI joke is simply because of just how much he has been right, I thought you'd understand that. The only weird actual possible TMI thing that he has done is his response to MZs case on me: On March 14 2024 10:35 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 15:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:I have been hesitant to scumread Palmar bc I had that TR of him early, masoned him but got blown off so I couldn’t make any real determination, and he was drunk posting with me. That said I think Rels looks terrible right now and some of that has been his association and disassociation with his Palmar reads. Palmar has also been scumreading me for most of the game so I’ve been careful trying to not let that cloud my judgement. That said, it’s time to address his scumread of me or lack thereof. On March 09 2024 07:01 Palmar wrote:
God I'm so lazy and bad at this game.
This sums up my read of Palmar tonight. On March 06 2024 06:54 Palmar wrote:
As for other people.
I stand by the sandroba townread, koshi is probably town too. I like Oats a lot more now for actually making sense. I also like JSL and Vivax.
I'd need VE to actually step up some again, same with Trfel. I had some reads on both but they're weak. DMB is also a weak maybe townread.
iamperfection is making sense, but the guy is smart enough to make sense when there is no pressure on him as either alignment.
DP is a little more wildcardy to me this game, I haven't always agreed with his takes.
TTS, JEalous, Hapa just need to be policied out.
I've not read or even noticed Rels at all which is a bad omen.
rayn is weird to me. I'm again getting the feeling that he's just posting a lot and saying very little, also I really, really don't like that he's not pressuring marv at all in the mason QT it seems.
Idk about CopCake, nothjin one way or the other.
MZ looks kinda bad, but it's very weak as I haven't really read him. MZ bad but haven’t read him On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote:
I'm finalizing here.
I like a bunch of mafia in:
rayn
jat
rels
mz
tts
then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy
vivax
trfel
hapa
then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve
iamp
marv
jealous
copcake
slam
ve
and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town
sandro
oats
dp
dmb
jls
koshi
None of the lists are in any particular order
I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever. I’m in his mafia category On March 09 2024 07:11 Palmar wrote:
Essentially it comes down to:
I really need to filter dive CopCake, DMB, MZ, Rels and JSL because there's like 3 mafia in there.
One is probably either Oats or Slam, unless we're just the unluckiest town in the world.
Also if Slam and Vivax are genuinely town and both claimed on day 1, we deserve to lose.
There's gonna be a hidden mafia there somewhere. MZ in the Mafia but have to filter dive category On March 09 2024 07:30 Palmar wrote:
MZ doesn't look great in our topic.
But to be fair, neither do I cause I don't talk to him. More MZ not great On March 10 2024 20:21 Palmar wrote:
There is 3 mafia in mz/rels/jat/iamp/ve MZ again On March 10 2024 20:56 Palmar wrote:
I actually think we should be lynching MZ as an alternative Lynch MZ On March 11 2024 19:22 Palmar wrote:On March 11 2024 18:33 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Yeah like okay this is the world Cop DMB DP and I and VIvax are all town.
Lets even say VE is scum.
Who's the last two? Lol this doesn't matter for now. To put the game in perspective, we're basically in a normal 13 player game of town vs mafia. 10 town, 3 mafia. But we have two VERY likely "blue checks" (you and DP). We also have like 200 pages of bullshit that can be parsed. We're in a great position. We can mislynch 3 times and still be in the game. The current state of the game demands simple playing. We're not in lylo, we're not even close to lylo. We should not be tinfoiling for hidden mafia. We need to be killing the people who have stereotypical scum characteristics, and first and foremost amongst them is VE. He is not interested in the game, isn't helping to solve it, seems to not be enjoying playing etc. Consider it a pseudo policy lynch, which is almost always a good idea in day 1 on a normal game. I can't stress enough how important it's to just keep a happy disposition. We're in a stronger than expected position. There is no need to panic, just calmly keep analyzing the game. The one weakness of the game is that very little information can be gained from the last 2 days because they have been semi-default lynches. Which is another reason why resolving VE is great for the state of the game. I'll happily reconsider if VE starts looking supertown. Also to answer your question... MZ and JAT? MZ with a big old question mark On March 12 2024 00:54 Palmar wrote:
By the way I think CC should not be lynched and have a slight townread. I understand the waffling and self-doubt and giving up can be faked, but it still is more likely to come from town than scum.
I also think dmb sounds a lot more reasonable this game than last game.
For one reason or another, I'm not really considering the following people right now:
dp
jls
koshi
cc
dmb
vivax
Then there's like two people I just need to actually get off my ass and read
jealous
iamp
rels
and then there's the people I actively think could be mafia
jat
mz
ve
Remember, to me I'm really thinking about the game as a "day 1" situation where we have plenty of time and mislynches left. I am not really questioning weaker townreads and tinfoil theories at the moment, there is no need to. Oh boy guess who’s scum again On March 12 2024 23:39 Palmar wrote:
Still don't like MZ, but again, it's just preliminary filtering, not a full read. I have been Palmar’s main scumread most of the game and he has done literally nothing about it. Every single time he calls me scum, he caveats his read so that while I’m his number one choice, he’s always got a reason why he’s not sure, maybe he just puts a question mark there or maybe it’s because he hasn’t read my filter, or maybe he needs to reread me. We're all busy but it's D3 and he's still using these excuses. He’s used every reason possible to not actually stand behind his scumread of me, push his scumread of me, or do anything but sheep along with whatever wagon that’s been convenient for the last 2 days. He is not actually serious about this read. It gets lost in the churn of the thread since he hasn’t been very active but it’s painfully clear when you read his filter. I think he keeps expecting to come back to the thread and for there to be a wagon on me that he can hop on and push but then have plausible deniability because he won't have been the primary push for me despite shading me the entire game. I think Palmar is scum with Rels, tbd who their teammate is at the moment. I have a part 2 of this analysis which is going to look at the connections between those two but that’s gonna have to wait bc its way past my bedtime and I have work tomorrow. Not on bad post on Palmar TBH Kinda townie from MZ too, thinking about the game as a whole and thinking about Palmar and I being partner. If Palmar is town, that means that this analysis is thrown out the window as soon as one of us flips After declaring Rels lock town this is giving me pause. Maybe he should not be in my town circle and Koshi can be a full member instead. The point is, Rels knows I'm more likely to flip than him. So instead of commenting on the quality of the case, or refuting it, he simply goes for the "Well when Palmar is dead and flips town I'm cleared" approach. It's a weird takeaway, considering that Rels personally thinks I'm mafia and has thought that the entire game. Yet the only option/outcome of MZs analysis he comments on is the reverse of what Rels actually thinks is going to happen. He seems not worried at all what it means if I flip mafia, which then in turn, according to MZ should implicate Rels. On March 14 2024 19:19 Palmar wrote:
Someone vet my work, am I blowing this out of proportion? I
1: MZ makes a case on me and rels being mafia together
2: Rels says case is good, and if I flip town it has to be thrown out the window
Problem with 2 is Rels doesn't think I'm town, so why mention it, instead of pointing out why the case is wrong in associating us as mafia.
The solution to that is that Rels KNOWS I'm town and is using the opportunity to clear himself on my townflip.
If Rels is town and thinks I'm mafia, why isn't his primary concern to convince MZ that the association is wrong? Instead of just saying "good case, means I'm clear when palmar flips town". I agree that addition is a bit weird. But why write that as mafia? Why write it as town? Like he's essentially agreeing that if his scumread is right he is mafia. Like how does that make any sense at all?
I don't understand it either way. But apart from that Rels has been doing really well.
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On March 15 2024 07:07 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 07:06 DarthPunk wrote:
Here is the thing. Cake self votes calls me mafia and starts rapid posting.
Is the maturing genuine or is it a tactic to not get lynched?
Does it seem like she is giving up when she self votes?
If not, then does town do self vote matyring all game or does mafia? It is not martyring, I am fed up. If I am not lynched I am gonna ask for replacement.
Please take a step back and try to calm down.
If you are right and dp is mafia - why are you letting him tilt you?
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On March 15 2024 07:08 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 07:04 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 07:02 Vivax wrote:
JAT got himself scumread enough so he could sheep me on Jealous and pretend it's his read so he got himself a case for acting all smug in postgame I even apologized to you for not seeing it earlier. What are you talking about. Well we are two on a Jealous wagon and it's looking mighty weak and I'm at work. If you want to towncase anyone it should be Palmar and yourself or we never get the traction.
I already did that. I am out of cases I am afraid.
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Maybe we should just give our esteemed mayor his lynch.
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On March 15 2024 07:21 Palmar wrote:
or even dmb as a punishment for just using the most important day in the game as a great opportunity to fuck right off.
I would be up for this too.
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On March 15 2024 07:25 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 07:25 Vivax wrote:
We don't know who to lynch for sure at this stage that probably just means DP was mafia Rels is tinfoil but somehow DP is fair game? My man...
The mind boggles.
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On March 15 2024 07:28 Palmar wrote:
Let's at least pile some votes on Rels and see if we can summon him.
Isn't he NA timezone now? That irritated me before. Since I remember him being EU timezone.
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On March 15 2024 07:29 iamperfection wrote:
thinking about it though dont we have to deal with CC though. Like if they arent gonna play and just vote themselves they wont get modkilled ?
Let's leave that to the hosts for now. This discussion does not help.
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On March 15 2024 07:30 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 07:29 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 07:28 Palmar wrote:
Let's at least pile some votes on Rels and see if we can summon him. Isn't he NA timezone now? That irritated me before. Since I remember him being EU timezone. france
Yeah, he was. But now he isn't I thought?
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Yeah, I am not voting Rels over Jealous.
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On March 15 2024 07:39 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 07:37 Vivax wrote:On March 15 2024 07:36 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax is there a reason dmb is not around? Also what is your current read on her? It doesn't matter, all that matters is you trying every trick in the book to save Jealous lol fine. Unvote:
Vote jealous Attention town we are voting jealous for our lord and saviour mayor vivax please adjust your votes accordingly Now what?
yay!
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On March 15 2024 07:51 Vivax wrote:
Hope I'm wrong
???
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On March 15 2024 07:57 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 07:53 iamperfection wrote:
this game is so fucking hard wtf. Isn’t it.
Sure is. But this is finally a good lynch. I'll be heading for bed now. Fingers crossed.
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That was a really terrible lynch for all intents and purposes except game integrity.
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On March 15 2024 15:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 13:26 Jealous wrote:On March 15 2024 12:08 DarthPunk wrote:
Maybe mz is the last. MZ absence in last what, 12 hours if memory serves, is ??? Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 02:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm flying tonight, won't be around much the rest of the day When I say I'm flying, what my day looks like is 5 hours of mission planning and briefing, an hour and a half of preflight checks and ground operations, 5+ hours of flying, and 2 or more hours of debriefing depending on the profile. Some days I can catch up on my phone during mission planning, some days I can't. Today I had some extra mission requirements to knock out so I could not. I have 30 pages to catch up on and its after midnight, I'll do that tomorrow and then I'll be around all weekend if I'm alive. Looks like you guys lynched CC from the voting thread, great fucking job everyone.
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On March 15 2024 16:03 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 15:32 justanothertownie wrote:
That was a really terrible lynch for all intents and purposes except game integrity. Palmar anything to say about this one? IIRC "anyone who says town did bad" is bad, no? If your name is not Vivax, name one person who was more worthy of a lynch based on game play alone. DMB, save your breath too, this is an emotional thing for you.
What positive things are there to say here? Our confirmed towns lynched someone they agreed was most likely town. At least people are forced to talk about someone else than CC now for a change. But that was unnecessary. And dmb just went with it in the most opportunistic way possible.
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On March 15 2024 16:25 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 13:38 Vivax wrote:On March 15 2024 13:36 iamperfection wrote:On March 15 2024 13:35 Vivax wrote:
6 v 3 tomorrow
If there‘s traitor 5 v 4 lylo
fun it dosnt work that way I hope it doesn‘t. Jealous is auto might as well just shitpost tomorrow If you think scum!Jealous spent 3 cycles* voting for a 1 for 1 with CopCake you need to find an adult. *caveat being I switched from Cop to Oats.
Can you explain what you mean with 1 for 1?
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Because I don't think what you did is a 1 for 1. It was just a convenient tunnel if you are mafia.
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On March 16 2024 03:13 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 03:11 justanothertownie wrote:
Because I don't think what you did is a 1 for 1. It was just a convenient tunnel if you are mafia. In the world where I am scum and get lynched for pushing for a CopCake ML, then that's a 1 for 1, no?
Yeah, but why would you assume that you get lynched for pushing 1 mislynch alone?
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On March 15 2024 10:43 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:40 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 10:38 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 10:09 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 10:04 iamperfection wrote:
maybe we just lynch cake and pick up play next cycle. She has to be dealt with in some way and we will know 100% what happened in ve cop with rels talking to me right near the hammer.
It will clear up the thread and just be good for a purity mindset. Lets make her wish come true. I still believe now after the mason that she is just a depressed Townie. On March 15 2024 10:12 die_meatbaby wrote:
I really feel bad about voting her, while seeing her finally as Town. But she doesn´t fell happy here anymore and she is self voting as well. So what else could we do? Let her be? And vote for your scumread? lol Opportunistic mindset from DMB, following DP/iam so I should vote you?! like just a wasted single vote on you? How does that help Town? Interesting post. So in your worldview, both Jealous and Palmer are town? There is no good option for a vote? Yes I Townread Palmar Jealous is scummy for me but not enough for a vote. Still thinking about rather vote CC (who wished do die in the mason) and hope she is lonly treator and tired of non stop selfdefending instead of depressed town.
I really dislike this post. Before this dmb called cake town and basically advocated for a mercy kill. That alone I could have bought. But the overjustification in the quoted post just looks like mafia to me. If she is mafia with jealous this is absolute classic play. He is scummy but not scummy enough to vote him. Instead she votes cake. But also feels the need to include some kind of weird justification of a potential traitor so it does not look like she is blatantly lynching a townread.
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On March 16 2024 07:42 iamperfection wrote:
Jealous if your town couldn't dmb just lurk?
Good point. Counter argument: We are probably never touching cake again if she is not lynched here.
Not happening without her vote.
DMB can combine mafia agenda with genuinely trying to grant ccs wish.
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On March 16 2024 09:33 DarthPunk wrote:
I think DMB is out of her scum range jealous FWIW.
How can you say that when she has played 1 (!) full scum game?!
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On March 16 2024 14:00 DarthPunk wrote:
Koshi was actually a viable mislynch probably so I think it points to the fact that he was on the right direction.
(this is all surface level ignoring layers of WIFOM)
I don't think Koshi was a viable mislynch at all.
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On March 16 2024 14:01 DarthPunk wrote:
Also possible that its more that vivax is sussing me all game and they think I am a more viable mislynch than Koshi.
I think that is a bit far fetched though.
Then this.
???
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I really hope I am not wrong on Palmar. He does not care at all.
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On March 16 2024 17:09 justanothertownie wrote:
I really hope I am not wrong on Palmar. He does not care at all.
^^^
Not sure if that is not actually an indicator for him to be town though. But it sucks. Not a very important town player this game.
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If dps survives another night I will have to do the unthinkable and open his filter. Let's hope it doesn't come to this...
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Well, quite a few people got townreads for something like that this game.
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I don't think this is alignment indicative.
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On March 16 2024 18:22 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 16:36 justanothertownie wrote:On March 16 2024 09:33 DarthPunk wrote:
I think DMB is out of her scum range jealous FWIW. How can you say that when she has played 1 (!) full scum game?! That game established a range. She is outside of it.
One game cannot establish a range. It is a single point of data. Was your second scumgame the same as the first?
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On March 16 2024 18:32 DarthPunk wrote:
It seems like a weird mistake to make though.
I am hoping palmar will be around soon and we can have a chat.
Yeah, that would be swell.
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On March 16 2024 18:37 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 18:32 justanothertownie wrote:On March 16 2024 18:22 DarthPunk wrote:On March 16 2024 16:36 justanothertownie wrote:On March 16 2024 09:33 DarthPunk wrote:
I think DMB is out of her scum range jealous FWIW. How can you say that when she has played 1 (!) full scum game?! That game established a range. She is outside of it. One game cannot establish a range. It is a single point of data. Was your second scumgame the same as the first? No it was better, but it was in the same vein. Like I just don't think she could be this flexible in her viewpoint as mafia, as that was clearly a part of her scum game that was difficult for her. Can you tell me more about your jealous vote. ELI5 why he is mafia for you.
I explained that yesterday. I think it is him and dmb who saved him yesterday with significant help from people like you. He has a hard time changing his reads and is very non confrontational except for his cc tunnel. Looks like inexperienced mafia.
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On March 17 2024 00:17 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 20:55 DarthPunk wrote:
Can you let us know who you mason please jealous? Just woke up, still debating who to choose.
I am not sure that there is a lot of merit in this mason chat for you today. I would prefer to have your thoughts and contributions in the thread if you are town.
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On March 16 2024 23:26 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 19:31 Palmar wrote:On March 16 2024 11:21 iamperfection wrote:
I think Palmar just has to be mafia. I have listed the reasons several times and i just keep wifoming myself out of it. His reactions to the CC flip just adds to it he had no real thoughts or analysis to make as he isn't interested in figuring things out. This is the kinda shit that keeps you out of my towncircle. Of course I have no reaction. I "knew" she was town and I was highly annoyed at her. The people who I feel in hindsight swung the lynch onto her (DP/Vivax) are my town circle people so while I don't quite understand why they did it after all the dick move analysis, I don't think this warrants looking into them. DP shot mafia. He gets to be alive until lylo. That is the earliest I think he should be looked into. Vivax is a bed we kinda made on day 1, but there are additional reasons to think he may be town. I liked his early posting, and I don't think he does the whole paranoia thing as mafia. So why are my "reactions to the cc flip" bad? There is nothing to learn. We lynched a townie who everyone thought was town. The only way it actually becomes interesting if we confirm Jealous is mafia. But that would be a pre-flip association and you know how I feel about even post-flip associations. I dont really give a shit about your town circle palmar. if you want to call me mafia you need to refute this https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=395#7899 otherwise im not gonna even entertain the discussion. My problem once again is that i feel like its pulling teeth from you to get attempts to discover mafia. You basically ignore all my larger points. Lets pretend you are town. I know i am town. I think the corrupt mayor theory isnt right so vivax is town. Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 11:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (9): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, Justanothertownie, ToTheStars, Koshi, marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Vivax, Palmar, Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, CopCake
Palmar (0): Oatsmaster, CopCake, iamperfection, JacobStrangelove, CopCake
Jealous (0): CopCake
Justanothertownie (0): Vivax, Oatsmaster
ToTheStars (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster
marvellosity (0): Vivax
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Are we suggesting that 4 mafia were on the oats wagon? I dont think that is likely. I really would like the detail summary of that discord in full because i think it just has to be mz and palmar are mafia together the more i think about it.
I do not think there necessarily has to be mafia on VE - if there is then maybe MZ. If the lynch goes through and VE flips town Oats will just be killed the day after and everyone who took part looks absolutely terrible. It would only postpone the result for no real gain.
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On March 17 2024 02:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 02:28 iamperfection wrote:
so your saying all of those lines aren't exact quotes ? Some of them are most are not, there's really not that much going on in that chat. The whole problem with copy pasting with timestamps and usernames and stuff is that it guarantees the authenticity of the log, you have no way of knowing that this log is authentic because it's not copy/pasted from discord. I know you feel that it's authentic because it's pretty much exactly how Palmar and I both characterized it, but Palmar is free to show up and say I misrepresented something I said or something he said and then it's just a he said/he said game. I don't know why you're so bent out of shape with this, Jealous and DP's log had way more stuff in it, did you miss that one?
Don't worry about it. You are fine. Iamp is just concerned about game integrity, which is also fine. Nothing alignment indicative to find here. Carry on.
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On March 17 2024 02:19 iamperfection wrote:
i mean from that log mz has to be town right? At the very least they cant be mafia together. Its blatant rule breaking either way.
I don't think so. Yeah, it is somewhat unlikely that they are both mafia but it is also not impossible. Not more unlikely than MZ masoning his partner in the first place. If they decided that would be a good play I would assume they would also put in a token amount of posts for both to paraphrase later.
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On March 17 2024 02:53 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 02:38 justanothertownie wrote:On March 16 2024 23:26 iamperfection wrote:On March 16 2024 19:31 Palmar wrote:On March 16 2024 11:21 iamperfection wrote:
I think Palmar just has to be mafia. I have listed the reasons several times and i just keep wifoming myself out of it. His reactions to the CC flip just adds to it he had no real thoughts or analysis to make as he isn't interested in figuring things out. This is the kinda shit that keeps you out of my towncircle. Of course I have no reaction. I "knew" she was town and I was highly annoyed at her. The people who I feel in hindsight swung the lynch onto her (DP/Vivax) are my town circle people so while I don't quite understand why they did it after all the dick move analysis, I don't think this warrants looking into them. DP shot mafia. He gets to be alive until lylo. That is the earliest I think he should be looked into. Vivax is a bed we kinda made on day 1, but there are additional reasons to think he may be town. I liked his early posting, and I don't think he does the whole paranoia thing as mafia. So why are my "reactions to the cc flip" bad? There is nothing to learn. We lynched a townie who everyone thought was town. The only way it actually becomes interesting if we confirm Jealous is mafia. But that would be a pre-flip association and you know how I feel about even post-flip associations. I dont really give a shit about your town circle palmar. if you want to call me mafia you need to refute this https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=395#7899 otherwise im not gonna even entertain the discussion. My problem once again is that i feel like its pulling teeth from you to get attempts to discover mafia. You basically ignore all my larger points. Lets pretend you are town. I know i am town. I think the corrupt mayor theory isnt right so vivax is town. On March 09 2024 11:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (9): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, Justanothertownie, ToTheStars, Koshi, marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Vivax, Palmar, Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, CopCake
Palmar (0): Oatsmaster, CopCake, iamperfection, JacobStrangelove, CopCake
Jealous (0): CopCake
Justanothertownie (0): Vivax, Oatsmaster
ToTheStars (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster
marvellosity (0): Vivax
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Are we suggesting that 4 mafia were on the oats wagon? I dont think that is likely. I really would like the detail summary of that discord in full because i think it just has to be mz and palmar are mafia together the more i think about it. I do not think there necessarily has to be mafia on VE - if there is then maybe MZ. If the lynch goes through and VE flips town Oats will just be killed the day after and everyone who took part looks absolutely terrible. It would only postpone the result for no real gain. Hmmm... Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 12:40 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check. BING BING BING I FOUND IT. Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient. Really disagree with this. Unless you're playing the "chaotic town" card, scum absolutely know there is no way Oats will survive the game if he's scum (or if he's town for that matter). We're not even in LYLO, buying one more day doesn't accomplish anything if it comes at the cost of their credibility Hmmm... Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 12:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 08 2024 12:40 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check. BING BING BING I FOUND IT. Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient. Really disagree with this. Unless you're playing the "chaotic town" card, scum absolutely know there is no way Oats will survive the game if he's scum (or if he's town for that matter). We're not even in LYLO, buying one more day doesn't accomplish anything if it comes at the cost of their credibility I think that is naive to think that the town will have the discipline to come back to a red check if they pass it over once. A lot can change in a single day cycle.
? What are you trying to say here?
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On March 17 2024 03:01 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 02:58 justanothertownie wrote:On March 17 2024 02:53 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 02:38 justanothertownie wrote:On March 16 2024 23:26 iamperfection wrote:On March 16 2024 19:31 Palmar wrote:On March 16 2024 11:21 iamperfection wrote:
I think Palmar just has to be mafia. I have listed the reasons several times and i just keep wifoming myself out of it. His reactions to the CC flip just adds to it he had no real thoughts or analysis to make as he isn't interested in figuring things out. This is the kinda shit that keeps you out of my towncircle. Of course I have no reaction. I "knew" she was town and I was highly annoyed at her. The people who I feel in hindsight swung the lynch onto her (DP/Vivax) are my town circle people so while I don't quite understand why they did it after all the dick move analysis, I don't think this warrants looking into them. DP shot mafia. He gets to be alive until lylo. That is the earliest I think he should be looked into. Vivax is a bed we kinda made on day 1, but there are additional reasons to think he may be town. I liked his early posting, and I don't think he does the whole paranoia thing as mafia. So why are my "reactions to the cc flip" bad? There is nothing to learn. We lynched a townie who everyone thought was town. The only way it actually becomes interesting if we confirm Jealous is mafia. But that would be a pre-flip association and you know how I feel about even post-flip associations. I dont really give a shit about your town circle palmar. if you want to call me mafia you need to refute this https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=395#7899 otherwise im not gonna even entertain the discussion. My problem once again is that i feel like its pulling teeth from you to get attempts to discover mafia. You basically ignore all my larger points. Lets pretend you are town. I know i am town. I think the corrupt mayor theory isnt right so vivax is town. On March 09 2024 11:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (9): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, Justanothertownie, ToTheStars, Koshi, marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Vivax, Palmar, Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, CopCake
Palmar (0): Oatsmaster, CopCake, iamperfection, JacobStrangelove, CopCake
Jealous (0): CopCake
Justanothertownie (0): Vivax, Oatsmaster
ToTheStars (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster
marvellosity (0): Vivax
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Are we suggesting that 4 mafia were on the oats wagon? I dont think that is likely. I really would like the detail summary of that discord in full because i think it just has to be mz and palmar are mafia together the more i think about it. I do not think there necessarily has to be mafia on VE - if there is then maybe MZ. If the lynch goes through and VE flips town Oats will just be killed the day after and everyone who took part looks absolutely terrible. It would only postpone the result for no real gain. Hmmm... On March 08 2024 12:40 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check. BING BING BING I FOUND IT. Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient. Really disagree with this. Unless you're playing the "chaotic town" card, scum absolutely know there is no way Oats will survive the game if he's scum (or if he's town for that matter). We're not even in LYLO, buying one more day doesn't accomplish anything if it comes at the cost of their credibility Hmmm... On March 08 2024 12:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 08 2024 12:40 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check. BING BING BING I FOUND IT. Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient. Really disagree with this. Unless you're playing the "chaotic town" card, scum absolutely know there is no way Oats will survive the game if he's scum (or if he's town for that matter). We're not even in LYLO, buying one more day doesn't accomplish anything if it comes at the cost of their credibility I think that is naive to think that the town will have the discipline to come back to a red check if they pass it over once. A lot can change in a single day cycle. ? What are you trying to say here? Complete mind meld between you and Rels, but MZ doesn't seem to agree. This is while MZ was still pushing for an Oats lynch, but ended up not being on the Oats wagon. "A lot can change in a single day cycle" is almost predictive in this case, as what changed was that MZ ended up on the ML wagon.
Ah, I see. And you think he would be posting his mafia thoughts this openly? Would they not talk about this in discord?
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On March 17 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
Even if rayn got elected and he claimed joat later he'd still be open for tinfoil you can't pull that off with me
Funny if that was ironic
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On March 17 2024 05:36 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 05:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 17 2024 05:29 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 05:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 17 2024 05:25 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 05:16 iamperfection wrote:On March 17 2024 05:06 Vivax wrote:
I think it‘s a case made with the help of scripts or something, maybe some ghostwriters who slave for Jealous.
It‘s still a bit disconnected from the game. There is no emphasis of MZ drunkposting during D2 when I briefly thought it made him 100% mafia. Those would be great to leverage his arguments. what a giga chad if its not using scripts though. I type really fast. On March 17 2024 05:18 iamperfection wrote:
Jealous did you read the whole palmar mz mason dynamic going on? Yea I saw it, honestly I don't think I can find much AI in someone else's mason chats when there are timezone differences, one of them traveling constantly and the other seeming pretty disinterested in the chat and with the concept of masons in general IIRC from Palmar's filter. I did find the point that if they were both scum that they might try harder to make it seem productive/active to be an interesting one, it was a good thought. No guarantee that they would have had that same thought, though. I think focusing on stuff that actually happened in the game (posts, reads, and votes) makes more sense to me overall. So you now think that Palmar and I can't be scum together? Is that what you're saying here? Not sure how you got that from what I said. I think it's possible, because I don't think that the mason chat was AI. Ah so Palmar is still scum, is he your second highest read now after me? Or where has he shuffled out on the list. Yea I'd probably say you are more lynchable than him now for me. Still have to look at Rels, also hoping Palmar and iamp address the fact that they too were on that horrible wagon, iamp being the last vote to stick on VE twice even, though as I said before the fact that the second VE vote was TvT with CopCake makes it overall less egregious IMO. And again, if someone else could do the work of looking into their read progressions on Oats instead of just getting the posters-in-question' self-testimonies, that would be a big help IMO.
Can you elaborate why palmar is less lynchable than mz in your opinion?
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The votes would suggest otherwise.
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On March 17 2024 06:03 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 05:57 justanothertownie wrote:On March 17 2024 05:36 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 05:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 17 2024 05:29 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 05:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 17 2024 05:25 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 05:16 iamperfection wrote:On March 17 2024 05:06 Vivax wrote:
I think it‘s a case made with the help of scripts or something, maybe some ghostwriters who slave for Jealous.
It‘s still a bit disconnected from the game. There is no emphasis of MZ drunkposting during D2 when I briefly thought it made him 100% mafia. Those would be great to leverage his arguments. what a giga chad if its not using scripts though. I type really fast. On March 17 2024 05:18 iamperfection wrote:
Jealous did you read the whole palmar mz mason dynamic going on? Yea I saw it, honestly I don't think I can find much AI in someone else's mason chats when there are timezone differences, one of them traveling constantly and the other seeming pretty disinterested in the chat and with the concept of masons in general IIRC from Palmar's filter. I did find the point that if they were both scum that they might try harder to make it seem productive/active to be an interesting one, it was a good thought. No guarantee that they would have had that same thought, though. I think focusing on stuff that actually happened in the game (posts, reads, and votes) makes more sense to me overall. So you now think that Palmar and I can't be scum together? Is that what you're saying here? Not sure how you got that from what I said. I think it's possible, because I don't think that the mason chat was AI. Ah so Palmar is still scum, is he your second highest read now after me? Or where has he shuffled out on the list. Yea I'd probably say you are more lynchable than him now for me. Still have to look at Rels, also hoping Palmar and iamp address the fact that they too were on that horrible wagon, iamp being the last vote to stick on VE twice even, though as I said before the fact that the second VE vote was TvT with CopCake makes it overall less egregious IMO. And again, if someone else could do the work of looking into their read progressions on Oats instead of just getting the posters-in-question' self-testimonies, that would be a big help IMO. Can you elaborate why palmar is less lynchable than mz in your opinion? I mean, I think it's pretty close. MZ pushed the vote to being a 1 vote difference between Oats and VE, so he seems to me to be a better choice. MZ completely changing their philosophy on the proper way to play mafia as a whole generates a fair amount of disbelief in the narrative for me. I really don't want to do this because I'm pretty mafia-d out at the moment, but it looks like I'll have to go back into Palmar's filter to refresh my memory for how he made the jump from Oats to VE to compare. Heading out for a very late lunch right now, maybe I'll scroll when I go out for a smoke break after. Do you hold the opposite opinion? Why or why not?
I was just trying to understand your thought process. I understood lynchable as "easy to lynch" - but it seems you meant "a good lynch" . Which did not make sense to me.
You know my opinion on Palmar. I don't think he is "lynch able" today.
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I also commented on MZs day1 progression in my large post about him. It is objectively scummy. But also extremely brazen if he is mafia.
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On March 17 2024 06:27 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 06:08 justanothertownie wrote:
I also commented on MZs day1 progression in my large post about him. It is objectively scummy. But also extremely brazen if he is mafia. I don't know if brazen is the term I'd use, because they put in enough effort to preempt criticism. When I think brazen I think of a person with no fucks to give. MZ clearly gave a lot of fucks. The scum approach just makes too much sense to me. To boil it down, it's basically: 1. Push hard for an Oats lynch after the flip, so they look neutral-to-good when Oats is lynched. 2. Berate anyone on other wagons when they don't have much steam, effect is similar to #1. 3. When the wagon starts gaining steam, make many posts explaining how you're having a change of heart and why, making it seem like a natural development. 4. "Aw shucks, y'all convinced me. My fault." And given that it was D2 and the game is still pretty much wide open, there will still be a lot of people looking elsewhere, other townies making questionable plays, and in this game, an easy ML on VE. I think it could have been a calculated gamble.
But VE was always going to be an easy mislynch. Evidence: day3. The only thing that changes by going after VE is the order of the lynches. And that MZ looks bad now.
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On March 17 2024 06:39 Vivax wrote:
And Koshi wasn't that far off from being mislynchable with enough effort
(x) doubt
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On March 17 2024 06:50 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 06:48 Vivax wrote:
The hard part is getting iamperfection to vote Jealous he just sees big post and goes into awe and stupor it had links vivax linksSSSSSSSSSS
The effort is really impressive ngl. Effort is only loosely connected with alignment though. Depending on the player.
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On March 17 2024 07:00 Palmar wrote:
Hey the cool news is that I have a volcano going off outside my window so there’s that
Cool in the sense of cool or in the sense of you/your property are in danger? Stay safe..
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It is really hard to lynch jealous, isn't it?
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I read your case dp. It is a good case. I still don't think it makes palmar mafia though. He does not play the same way every game as town so just comparing him to his last one is going to be difficult.
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The point about switching mafia reads to townreads when town reading him is a theme for sure though. You can add me to the list.
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On March 17 2024 13:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 12:55 Rels wrote:I have been reading DMB past games, kind hard to get info from it without reading the whole game again, but this might be a town tell on DMB ... this game: On March 17 2024 10:48 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 17 2024 10:46 Jealous wrote:
I'm actually curious what die "why are there two nks?!" meatbaby considers "so bad" about my play. This should be good. I know I am playing bad. Mafia game: On December 18 2023 08:34 die_meatbaby wrote:On December 18 2023 07:52 Palmar wrote:
And I basically have the same feeling about dmb as you but I've written it off throughout the game as terrible town.
I would actually be somewhat relieved if she's mafia because then I don't have to call her bad in the postgame :D STOP CALLING ME BAD TOWN!! when we lynch you we will see that I am right See this is a good way of using meta.
You think? I think that relates back to the point of dp trying to establish a dmb mafia meta from a single game. I think she would try to improve and that's a super easy change. I see her as an ambitious person.
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On March 18 2024 01:25 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 01:24 die_meatbaby wrote:
dp is scum and gunssmith give actually scum a gun. Dp took his chance for townreads to shoot the non active mafia member Even if you think this it’s not the part we need right now. Goes for you too Vivax. If DP is mafia today is about lynching one of his two teammates. Not him. Any real talk of it just takes space in the thread and should be saved for the night. For the record, I don’t think he’s mafia
I agree. We are not lynching dp today. Even though I had my doubts about him for a while now. I don't like how he is effectively protecting both jealous and dmb constantly.
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On March 18 2024 02:01 Vivax wrote:
DMB why not vote Rels here?
I am not voting Rels today. It is jealous or dmb for me.
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On March 18 2024 02:59 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 02:55 justanothertownie wrote:On March 18 2024 02:01 Vivax wrote:
DMB why not vote Rels here? I am not voting Rels today. It is jealous or dmb for me. Yeah but he‘s not going to yeet himself. He tried to judging by some posts but it wasn‘t enough to convince others to stop him from winning.
Not sure I follow tbh.
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On March 18 2024 03:04 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 03:00 justanothertownie wrote:On March 18 2024 02:59 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 02:55 justanothertownie wrote:On March 18 2024 02:01 Vivax wrote:
DMB why not vote Rels here? I am not voting Rels today. It is jealous or dmb for me. Yeah but he‘s not going to yeet himself. He tried to judging by some posts but it wasn‘t enough to convince others to stop him from winning. Not sure I follow tbh. He‘s made himself obvious several times. Remember when he self-voted to prove a point that cop was using unfair strategies? Him expecting to die after her lynch? The good mood when he survived it ? ‚Forgetting‘ Koshi flipped. Forgetting his Rels scumread. Not playing for almost the entirety of D1 then busting out binge effort. The list could be longer.
Ok, don't think he is trying to yeet himself at all but in the end it does not matter.
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On March 18 2024 03:17 Vivax wrote:
I mean I have to convince people who are on him still that he is mafia.
You‘re telling me that‘s normal ?
Yeah? This game is hard.
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On March 18 2024 03:17 Vivax wrote:
And I have to do it alone 100% of the time
What are you talking about? I have been pushing this since mid day4.
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I would almost prefer dmb at this point for the fact that she blatantly does not give a damn about this lynch.
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On March 18 2024 03:30 Vivax wrote:
I just think he might like to manipulate me into believing he's not.
I really think you should take a step back and stop assuming townies would intentionally sabotage you to make mafia win. That is very unlikely.
DP is either town and tries his best to lynch mafia in Palmar. Or he is mafia and tries to mislynch Palmar. I don't think a bus is likely here.
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On March 18 2024 03:49 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 03:47 justanothertownie wrote:On March 18 2024 03:30 Vivax wrote:
I just think he might like to manipulate me into believing he's not. I really think you should take a step back and stop assuming townies would intentionally sabotage you to make mafia win. That is very unlikely. DP is either town and tries his best to lynch mafia in Palmar. Or he is mafia and tries to mislynch Palmar. I don't think a bus is likely here. Look this jat leaving out the obvious and correct 4th option
I said tries his best. That obviously includes being wrong you doofus.
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Or what are you talking about here?
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On March 18 2024 03:49 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 03:47 justanothertownie wrote:On March 18 2024 03:30 Vivax wrote:
I just think he might like to manipulate me into believing he's not. I really think you should take a step back and stop assuming townies would intentionally sabotage you to make mafia win. That is very unlikely. DP is either town and tries his best to lynch mafia in Palmar. Or he is mafia and tries to mislynch Palmar. I don't think a bus is likely here. Look this jat leaving out the obvious and correct 4th option
I mean why would you even say that? Why would I leave that option out when it is what I have been saying for ages.
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On March 18 2024 03:52 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 03:47 justanothertownie wrote:On March 18 2024 03:30 Vivax wrote:
I just think he might like to manipulate me into believing he's not. I really think you should take a step back and stop assuming townies would intentionally sabotage you to make mafia win. That is very unlikely. DP is either town and tries his best to lynch mafia in Palmar. Or he is mafia and tries to mislynch Palmar. I don't think a bus is likely here. We lynched two self voting townies in a row. Is that not sabotage?
You could call it that.
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On March 18 2024 03:56 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 03:54 justanothertownie wrote:On March 18 2024 03:52 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 03:47 justanothertownie wrote:On March 18 2024 03:30 Vivax wrote:
I just think he might like to manipulate me into believing he's not. I really think you should take a step back and stop assuming townies would intentionally sabotage you to make mafia win. That is very unlikely. DP is either town and tries his best to lynch mafia in Palmar. Or he is mafia and tries to mislynch Palmar. I don't think a bus is likely here. We lynched two self voting townies in a row. Is that not sabotage? You could call it that. Then it's not unlikely.
It is a totally different thing imo. But this discussion is not productive. How do you read dmb?
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On March 18 2024 04:03 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 03:57 justanothertownie wrote:On March 18 2024 03:56 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 03:54 justanothertownie wrote:On March 18 2024 03:52 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 03:47 justanothertownie wrote:On March 18 2024 03:30 Vivax wrote:
I just think he might like to manipulate me into believing he's not. I really think you should take a step back and stop assuming townies would intentionally sabotage you to make mafia win. That is very unlikely. DP is either town and tries his best to lynch mafia in Palmar. Or he is mafia and tries to mislynch Palmar. I don't think a bus is likely here. We lynched two self voting townies in a row. Is that not sabotage? You could call it that. Then it's not unlikely. It is a totally different thing imo. But this discussion is not productive. How do you read dmb? I have a tinfoil world where she's mafia with DP and Rels and just permanently busses them. But I'm not sure if she would do that. I'd be flattered. It's the only world I see her being mafia in though.
But she saved jealous yesterday. And now she is rather putting her vote elsewhere as well. Any reason why they can't be a team? +MZ or DP for example?
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On March 18 2024 04:06 Vivax wrote:
Oh yeah vote Palmar.
Ignore Rels.
Marv 90% sure on Palmar town and Koshi the NK with Jealous/Rels scumreads but he dies before the scum vigger.
To be fair koshi was pretty adamant about palmar being mafia before that. Would make perfect sense for palmar to kill him. Wifom.
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On March 18 2024 04:11 Vivax wrote:
Apparently you want to sell me that Palmar is stupid and killed the guy who would have helped him lynch Jealous.
That makes very little sense to me but OK.
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On March 18 2024 04:14 Vivax wrote:
And killing DP over Koshi should be a lot more attractive if he was town and Palmar mafia
DP was defending palmar. Koshi was attacking him fiercely until his last post. Whatever. I don't know why we are arguing. Jealous lynch is fine. Dmb might be even better though.
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On March 18 2024 04:24 Palmar wrote:
It’s important to remember that koshi is a moron
Don't worry. I know.
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On March 18 2024 04:10 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 04:06 justanothertownie wrote:On March 18 2024 04:03 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 03:57 justanothertownie wrote:On March 18 2024 03:56 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 03:54 justanothertownie wrote:On March 18 2024 03:52 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 03:47 justanothertownie wrote:On March 18 2024 03:30 Vivax wrote:
I just think he might like to manipulate me into believing he's not. I really think you should take a step back and stop assuming townies would intentionally sabotage you to make mafia win. That is very unlikely. DP is either town and tries his best to lynch mafia in Palmar. Or he is mafia and tries to mislynch Palmar. I don't think a bus is likely here. We lynched two self voting townies in a row. Is that not sabotage? You could call it that. Then it's not unlikely. It is a totally different thing imo. But this discussion is not productive. How do you read dmb? I have a tinfoil world where she's mafia with DP and Rels and just permanently busses them. But I'm not sure if she would do that. I'd be flattered. It's the only world I see her being mafia in though. But she saved jealous yesterday. And now she is rather putting her vote elsewhere as well. Any reason why they can't be a team? +MZ or DP for example? I refuse to lynch her after we just gave some people a copcake lynch. Complete douche town if we do that.
What does lynching dmb have to do with the cc lynch and why would that make us a douche town?
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On March 18 2024 05:55 Jealous wrote:People who have never once voted for Palmar (except for himself): 12) die_meatbaby15) Hapahauli executed day 1 18) ToTheStars killed night 2
That list is impressively short.
I am not sure these statistics are very helpful without context though.
And did you draw any conclusions from the vote counts by now?
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On March 18 2024 06:02 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 05:58 justanothertownie wrote:On March 18 2024 05:55 Jealous wrote:People who have never once voted for Palmar (except for himself): 12) die_meatbaby15) Hapahauli executed day 1 18) ToTheStars killed night 2 That list is impressively short. I am not sure these statistics are very helpful without context though. And did you draw any conclusions from the vote counts by now? Yea. Everyone is really bad at this game and some people switch their votes too many times for apparently no reason.
I was hoping more for something like "this guy is mafia for these reasons".
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On March 18 2024 06:11 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 06:06 Jealous wrote:
I think Palmar + DMB could be a thing. I get lynched, DMB has their hands clean because they didn't help ML a townie while effectively saving Palmar with a non-vote.
Can't work out if that makes Vivax impossible as the 3rd or if it's still possible. Don't think it can be DP because DMB has been constantly reminding us that he could be scum who shot TTS for town cred.
If you die and flip town I promise to vote dmb
We could do that right now.
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To (almost) cite a known philosopher "why don't we all hold hands and lynch dmb together?"
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On March 18 2024 06:53 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 06:51 justanothertownie wrote:
To (almost) cite a known philosopher "why don't we all hold hands and lynch dmb together?" Give me a case first. I think a dmb lynch is bad regardless. Town will just be in the same position tomorrow minus our best townie,
I cased her on day4 already and since then she has lynched CopCake using terrible overexplanatory reasoning and is currently wasting her vote. On you btw.
She is sitting back letting us fight each other gleefully.
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On March 18 2024 06:53 DarthPunk wrote:Did you read my case? Why am I wrong?
We already talked about your case... No wonder this game is so long.
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On March 18 2024 06:57 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 06:56 justanothertownie wrote:On March 18 2024 06:53 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2024 06:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Jealous at least tries. Did you read my case? Why am I wrong? We already talked about your case... No wonder this game is so long. Just tell me the post number or link it ?
I'll just rehash. Your case is good. But I don't think it works for palmar specifically. He is playing differently to last game. That is definitely true. But he tends to play different town games. It would be more convincing if you would find similarities to a mafia game.
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On March 18 2024 07:01 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 07:00 justanothertownie wrote:On March 18 2024 06:57 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2024 06:56 justanothertownie wrote:On March 18 2024 06:53 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2024 06:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Jealous at least tries. Did you read my case? Why am I wrong? We already talked about your case... No wonder this game is so long. Just tell me the post number or link it ? I'll just rehash. Your case is good. But I don't think it works for palmar specifically. He is playing differently to last game. That is definitely true. But he tends to play different town games. It would be more convincing if you would find similarities to a mafia game. This is like the laziest way to call someone town btw.
Sue me. You will have to accept the gist of it. I am not going through it point by point.
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On March 18 2024 07:01 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 07:00 justanothertownie wrote:On March 18 2024 06:57 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2024 06:56 justanothertownie wrote:On March 18 2024 06:53 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2024 06:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Jealous at least tries. Did you read my case? Why am I wrong? We already talked about your case... No wonder this game is so long. Just tell me the post number or link it ? I'll just rehash. Your case is good. But I don't think it works for palmar specifically. He is playing differently to last game. That is definitely true. But he tends to play different town games. It would be more convincing if you would find similarities to a mafia game. can you comment on the points i have made about him ?
Which? That he doesn't consider dp mafia? I am not sure that's alignment indicative. I mean if dp did not shoot TTS we would potentially be in lylo now.
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On March 18 2024 07:09 iamperfection wrote:
vivax is right about that votecount stuff.
Sure is. That was disappointing.
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Yeah, I think shennies are not happening. Nobody wants to lynch dmb unfortunately. Stay with Jealous then. I will also leave soon.
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Should have listened to me about palmar. But what's done is done. Instinct says I was right about jealous + dmb. They could even be with dp for ultimate drama. I think dp would have told her to bus him now and this attack/push came very late and was never realistic. Maybe that's more realistic if jealous is town though. Not sure. Game is really hard now because basically everyone else voted palmar. Mafia could also be in MZ/Rels at this point.
I am really interested who they nightkill now.
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Pretty sure Vivax is town though at least.
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On March 19 2024 02:14 Vivax wrote:
Mafia should be more flip floppy on jealous.
Could be it isn‘t even Rels.
DMB + 1 of dp/MZ would be my guess right now.
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Yeah, the thing is - we need to lynch correctly 3 times in a row. I feel we are never not lynching him at some point. If jealous is town we are probably screwed either way.
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Like, assuming Vivax is town there was 0 mafia on jealous in the end yesterday.
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I mean I will try to keep an open mind about it but that is where I am at.
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OK, at this point I think it is actually somewhat likely that mafia shoots me or Iamp if he is town since we seem to be the smallest question marks. In case I die, please remember that identifying and cooperating with townies is at least as important as finding mafia tomorrow.
Town needs to vote as a block otherwise mafia will just win by stacking someone. Not a single townie can go astray. Therefore, if you do not think Vivax is mafia your vote needs to end up on the same target as his. It does not matter if you think your read is better - you need to convince the others or compromise (looking at you should you be town after all, dmb).
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On March 19 2024 10:48 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2024 10:40 DarthPunk wrote:
We need to establish townies and just roll the dice here, if we are all town fighting with ourselves and blaming for the mess we are in while Jealous and DMB are fucking preening about their impending victory we can never win here.
those are the two lynches before 2-1 LYLO imo.
then there should be enough spew to find the last mafia. Jealous is scum, but with you and Rels! If I get nk pls Town do the right thing and vote for them.
And yet you killed palmar and saved jealous.
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I thought about my reads a a lot yesterday but I always end up at the same basic result.
I think Iamp and Rels are town. We need to align and get whoever is the last townie out of the scummy bunch on board.
DMB and Jealous are both targets I am willing to lynch. As has been the case for many days now. I think I also agree with Rels that dmb is the slightly better choice. So let's see where this leads. Also, it amuses me to no end to imagine Vivax in the obs qt.
##Vote: dmb
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On March 19 2024 14:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
OK I reread the night post and beyond as best I could but I'm not really seeing anything that directly addresses my question, since Palmar was town, why does DMB do what she did?
I'm not gonna argue she looks absolutely terrible yesterday, but it's mylo so I want to be certain of my vote when I place it. Rels please address why scum DMB does what she did when town Palmar was available for her to vote for and probably not end up in the spotlight the same way she is right now. Also does vivax flip change any of how you're reading?
I'm going to feel like I've committed a deep wound to my honor if I don't sheep Vivax like i said I would, especially after he died and isn't here to lead that lynch.
If jealous and dmb are mafia she made sure palmar got lynched over her buddy. If jealous is town she set him up for the final mislynch in lylo. Not sure if she even intended to make such a great play as mafia though. I think she might just have tried to distance from dp in the scenario where they are together.
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On March 19 2024 22:48 iamperfection wrote:
Thinking out loud assuming dp is town why kill him over me and dp. I guess they see I'm pretty tunneled on palmar and we both had town reads on dmb at the time. Or was it more simple and koshi was getting closer on right track with Jealous and mz?
DP could just be mafia. Or they wanted to frame palmar some more. There are a million possible explanations and he would have never been mislynched.
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On March 19 2024 22:57 iamperfection wrote:
Like you would think with dp going on to jealous for quick moment would make her more likely to think Jealous is town if dp is mafia. Or would be suspicious of me and jealous through voting actions if jealous is scum.
It really does not make any sense. Her reason was that she did not want to vote for a dp wagon. Yet she is sure now that jealous is with dp. In that case the only logical thing would be to move to jealous to save her townread palmar.
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Today however she immediately votes jealous. I just don't buy it at all.
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On March 19 2024 23:01 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2024 23:00 justanothertownie wrote:On March 19 2024 22:57 iamperfection wrote:
Like you would think with dp going on to jealous for quick moment would make her more likely to think Jealous is town if dp is mafia. Or would be suspicious of me and jealous through voting actions if jealous is scum. It really does not make any sense. Her reason was that she did not want to vote for a dp wagon. Yet she is sure now that jealous is with dp. In that case the only logical thing would be to move to jealous to save her townread palmar. Well that assumes she was playing logically and not emotionally.
Yeah, but even if you play emotionally you are trying to lynch your mafia reads. You do not let your townread die like that.
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On March 19 2024 23:01 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2024 23:00 justanothertownie wrote:
Today however she immediately votes jealous. I just don't buy it at all. Yeah you would think go dp
Exactly. It does not fit together. To be fair though, it would be the correct play if she is town. Unless she convinces everyone else to vote dp.
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Yesterday emotional, today calculated. According to opportunity.
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So, mafia is clearly bussing if she is scum. But I guess that can be expected.
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On March 20 2024 01:17 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 01:08 justanothertownie wrote:
So, mafia is clearly bussing if she is scum. But I guess that can be expected. Yea, it feels like it was almost too easy, right? Got me paranoid af.
That's the point.
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On March 20 2024 01:29 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 01:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 20 2024 01:17 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 01:08 justanothertownie wrote:
So, mafia is clearly bussing if she is scum. But I guess that can be expected. Yea, it feels like it was almost too easy, right? Got me paranoid af. That's why I asked Rels the questions I did earlier, but I can't be the only one not voting otherwise it opens the path to shenanigans so I voted. Still got more then 24 hours if someone wants to make a better argument.
Yup. And for her to defend herself.
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DMB, can you please explain to me why you think Rels is mafia. Just pretend I was some outside spectator who did not read a single page of this game.
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On March 20 2024 05:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 05:06 iamperfection wrote:
Why did you vote Jealous immediately at start of day? Just about to ask this myself, kinda feels like she's opportunistically trying to vote whoever she thinks others will follow her on. Vivax had jealous lined up last night, maybe she thought more would bite, I was certainly leaning that way initially. And now the DP vote since that got traction yesterday. Won't be surprised if she tries Rels later. The trick is going to be figuring out if she's bussing or just trying to throw us off her teammates for tomorrow. I still think Jealous is a reasonable teammate for her to have, one of the only ways yesterday makes sense.
That would be correct regardless of her alignment.
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I mean she needs us to go to someone else as town too.
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On March 20 2024 05:23 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 05:22 die_meatbaby wrote:
'm pretty sure that vivax would be one of the first to find out that I'm mafia if I were. He would have to die pretty quickly for me to stay safe. Would not push him to get major He was literally wrong in the last game in the obs and called me an idiot for saying you were.
Yeah, that was great. He also had some moment during the night were he said she was mafia (not settled at anything). Pretty sure his read is next to worthless.
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I really think it would be a lot more productive and helpful if you reasoned out your read on Rels and Jealous a bit, dmb. Probably even DP. So far I just see: "I know they are mafia". Which is not very convincing to people who don't know that.
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Even better if you add some reads on the other players as well.
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On March 20 2024 05:33 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 05:21 justanothertownie wrote:
DMB, can you please explain to me why you think Rels is mafia. Just pretend I was some outside spectator who did not read a single page of this game. Look at the voting filter. He always voted the right person, his filter is perfect. Am I fucking wrong to get paranoid about such a perfect filter. If you are town you just fucking write you opinion and there is always a wrong thougt and a wrong vote included as Town. The filter was to perfect to be Town. Reading the filter is like talking to a clairvoyant. Then the thread got attention to his TMI Filter so he voted on Town Palmar to not look like a oracle of delphi anymore.
Any particular reason why he cannot just play a good town game? Why do you think this makes him mafia? Which read is something a townie should not be able to make?
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He voted me on day1 btw. so that was a less than stellar start voting wise.
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On March 20 2024 05:43 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 05:29 justanothertownie wrote:
I really think it would be a lot more productive and helpful if you reasoned out your read on Rels and Jealous a bit, dmb. Probably even DP. So far I just see: "I know they are mafia". Which is not very convincing to people who don't know that. Okey so I write it again and again and again. TTS looked scummy even with just his few posts. Was not playing and usless for mafia anyway DP getting the gun and knows shooting his usless non activ mafia mate for townreads would be the best way to get townpoints DP pushing us all the time to vote on Town (seems like nobody cares about that) DP and Rels did not really communicate or talk about each other in the thread until i called the scum togther. DP is not town. No fucking way. Rels has licked the hand of the seer´s to get such good information and never made any mistakes here. No voting mistakes no writing mistakes... first mistake was palmar. Happend after the thread got attention... J. Says koshi is scum after koshi got nk....wtf... how the fuck? The voting switch triggers me still in my head. Doesn´t make him Town for me.
I repeat - Rels voted me day1. He also hammered VE together with Iamp. Wtf are you even smoking. I get the DP thing - that is fine. But your Rels read is just lazy. I don't buy it. Is the Koshi thing the only reason you think jealous is mafia?
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On March 20 2024 05:46 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 05:35 justanothertownie wrote:
He voted me on day1 btw. so that was a less than stellar start voting wise. yeah and changed it to tts when I still rember right.
You don't.
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On March 20 2024 05:41 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 11:07 Jealous wrote:On March 15 2024 11:05 iamperfection wrote:
so it was tvt. So i still cant wrap around a scum rels doing that at the end right near the hammer. ^ Person who breathed the biggest sigh of relief in the room IMO. And do you think he may have slipped here too?
How is this one a slip?
To your other point - I also found that a bit weird.
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On March 20 2024 05:51 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 05:47 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 05:43 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 05:29 justanothertownie wrote:
I really think it would be a lot more productive and helpful if you reasoned out your read on Rels and Jealous a bit, dmb. Probably even DP. So far I just see: "I know they are mafia". Which is not very convincing to people who don't know that. Okey so I write it again and again and again. TTS looked scummy even with just his few posts. Was not playing and usless for mafia anyway DP getting the gun and knows shooting his usless non activ mafia mate for townreads would be the best way to get townpoints DP pushing us all the time to vote on Town (seems like nobody cares about that) DP and Rels did not really communicate or talk about each other in the thread until i called the scum togther. DP is not town. No fucking way. Rels has licked the hand of the seer´s to get such good information and never made any mistakes here. No voting mistakes no writing mistakes... first mistake was palmar. Happend after the thread got attention... J. Says koshi is scum after koshi got nk....wtf... how the fuck? The voting switch triggers me still in my head. Doesn´t make him Town for me. I repeat - Rels voted me day1. He also hammered VE together with Iamp. Wtf are you even smoking. I get the DP thing - that is fine. But your Rels read is just lazy. I don't buy it. Is the Koshi thing the only reason you think jealous is mafia? you want a better read on rels i give you one after you give me a read on me! when you are town why you don´t see that dp shit? why you think I am scum? Why you actually trusting another wagon pushed mainly by dp? Why you don´t see what kinda shit is happening here for Town? Make a case on me. Tell me why you really voting me and I take my time to make a case on Rels. Because now it´s just useless I will die anyway and we lose this game as Town, because some kangroo is jumping 24/7 in this thread around and let us vote (bad)town after (bad)town after town
I see the "dp shit". He has not died so far and pushed mislynches. He could be mafia. But to be fair if he did not shoot mafia he could have won already if that was the case. And there is only one nightkill who he realistically should have been killed instead. That is Koshi.
I think you are mafia because Oats thought you scumslipped, because you lynched CC while overexplaining and because you ensured Palmars death while your supposed scumread Jealous was his counterwagon.
Your wagon is not mainly pushed by dp at all. He shielded you the last 2 days.
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On March 20 2024 06:06 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 05:56 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 05:51 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 05:47 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 05:43 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 05:29 justanothertownie wrote:
I really think it would be a lot more productive and helpful if you reasoned out your read on Rels and Jealous a bit, dmb. Probably even DP. So far I just see: "I know they are mafia". Which is not very convincing to people who don't know that. Okey so I write it again and again and again. TTS looked scummy even with just his few posts. Was not playing and usless for mafia anyway DP getting the gun and knows shooting his usless non activ mafia mate for townreads would be the best way to get townpoints DP pushing us all the time to vote on Town (seems like nobody cares about that) DP and Rels did not really communicate or talk about each other in the thread until i called the scum togther. DP is not town. No fucking way. Rels has licked the hand of the seer´s to get such good information and never made any mistakes here. No voting mistakes no writing mistakes... first mistake was palmar. Happend after the thread got attention... J. Says koshi is scum after koshi got nk....wtf... how the fuck? The voting switch triggers me still in my head. Doesn´t make him Town for me. I repeat - Rels voted me day1. He also hammered VE together with Iamp. Wtf are you even smoking. I get the DP thing - that is fine. But your Rels read is just lazy. I don't buy it. Is the Koshi thing the only reason you think jealous is mafia? you want a better read on rels i give you one after you give me a read on me! when you are town why you don´t see that dp shit? why you think I am scum? Why you actually trusting another wagon pushed mainly by dp? Why you don´t see what kinda shit is happening here for Town? Make a case on me. Tell me why you really voting me and I take my time to make a case on Rels. Because now it´s just useless I will die anyway and we lose this game as Town, because some kangroo is jumping 24/7 in this thread around and let us vote (bad)town after (bad)town after town I see the "dp shit". He has not died so far and pushed mislynches. He could be mafia. But to be fair if he did not shoot mafia he could have won already if that was the case. And there is only one nightkill who he realistically should have been killed instead. That is Koshi. I think you are mafia because Oats thought you scumslipped, because you lynched CC while overexplaining and because you ensured Palmars death while your supposed scumread Jealous was his counterwagon. Your wagon is not mainly pushed by dp at all. He shielded you the last 2 days. Oats pushed the scummiest Town that exists at that moment. For good sake how long do you play this game? He got a red check the only way he could maybe get saved is to make a case on the scmmiest looking town that was me for my lazy list post i made (requested by Rels... he knew my list post always give me scumreads....) CC wanted to die and I accept her wish and was stupid anoth to still listing do dp then I was getting completely paranoid about dp so I wouldn´t vote any wagon pushed by him. Not Palmar Not J. J switching to DP still doesn´t make sense for me. Because he should have just stayed on Palmar to not lose... because either way the wagons were all kinda close with the same vote amounts. I thougts of Palmar as town and didn´t vote. And here you have the fucking unlogical that vote make you scum example CC and VE. I didn´t like both wagons voted still for one of the wagons so my vote is not useless or scummy looking. What happpend? I got called scum for that. Other lynch. Same situation I don´t like the main wagons. I vote somebody else IT MAKE ME FUCKING SCUM AGAIN WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS THE HELL SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK YOU ALL WANT FROM THIS SHIT RUSSIAN DICTURE LYNCHS????????? Do you seriously expect me to have the same opinions, do the same reads as you and convince myself that one of the wagons is fucking scum even if I don't believe it????????
I don't expect you to have the same reads. I expect you to have reasons for your reads though. And some of those are really really hard to take serious.
The only read from you that I feel being genuine is dp. And I can't shake the feeling that is because you are both mafia...
Oats pushed you long before he was redchecked too. Did you care so little about this game that you are forgetting all of this?
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I'll take a step back to not tilt her anymore (or give her any more reason to act tilted). I am not sure what to make of this.
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On March 20 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 06:11 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 06:06 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 05:56 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 05:51 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 05:47 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 05:43 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 05:29 justanothertownie wrote:
I really think it would be a lot more productive and helpful if you reasoned out your read on Rels and Jealous a bit, dmb. Probably even DP. So far I just see: "I know they are mafia". Which is not very convincing to people who don't know that. Okey so I write it again and again and again. TTS looked scummy even with just his few posts. Was not playing and usless for mafia anyway DP getting the gun and knows shooting his usless non activ mafia mate for townreads would be the best way to get townpoints DP pushing us all the time to vote on Town (seems like nobody cares about that) DP and Rels did not really communicate or talk about each other in the thread until i called the scum togther. DP is not town. No fucking way. Rels has licked the hand of the seer´s to get such good information and never made any mistakes here. No voting mistakes no writing mistakes... first mistake was palmar. Happend after the thread got attention... J. Says koshi is scum after koshi got nk....wtf... how the fuck? The voting switch triggers me still in my head. Doesn´t make him Town for me. I repeat - Rels voted me day1. He also hammered VE together with Iamp. Wtf are you even smoking. I get the DP thing - that is fine. But your Rels read is just lazy. I don't buy it. Is the Koshi thing the only reason you think jealous is mafia? you want a better read on rels i give you one after you give me a read on me! when you are town why you don´t see that dp shit? why you think I am scum? Why you actually trusting another wagon pushed mainly by dp? Why you don´t see what kinda shit is happening here for Town? Make a case on me. Tell me why you really voting me and I take my time to make a case on Rels. Because now it´s just useless I will die anyway and we lose this game as Town, because some kangroo is jumping 24/7 in this thread around and let us vote (bad)town after (bad)town after town I see the "dp shit". He has not died so far and pushed mislynches. He could be mafia. But to be fair if he did not shoot mafia he could have won already if that was the case. And there is only one nightkill who he realistically should have been killed instead. That is Koshi. I think you are mafia because Oats thought you scumslipped, because you lynched CC while overexplaining and because you ensured Palmars death while your supposed scumread Jealous was his counterwagon. Your wagon is not mainly pushed by dp at all. He shielded you the last 2 days. Oats pushed the scummiest Town that exists at that moment. For good sake how long do you play this game? He got a red check the only way he could maybe get saved is to make a case on the scmmiest looking town that was me for my lazy list post i made (requested by Rels... he knew my list post always give me scumreads....) CC wanted to die and I accept her wish and was stupid anoth to still listing do dp then I was getting completely paranoid about dp so I wouldn´t vote any wagon pushed by him. Not Palmar Not J. J switching to DP still doesn´t make sense for me. Because he should have just stayed on Palmar to not lose... because either way the wagons were all kinda close with the same vote amounts. I thougts of Palmar as town and didn´t vote. And here you have the fucking unlogical that vote make you scum example CC and VE. I didn´t like both wagons voted still for one of the wagons so my vote is not useless or scummy looking. What happpend? I got called scum for that. Other lynch. Same situation I don´t like the main wagons. I vote somebody else IT MAKE ME FUCKING SCUM AGAIN WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS THE HELL SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK YOU ALL WANT FROM THIS SHIT RUSSIAN DICTURE LYNCHS????????? Do you seriously expect me to have the same opinions, do the same reads as you and convince myself that one of the wagons is fucking scum even if I don't believe it???????? I don't expect you to have the same reads. I expect you to have reasons for your reads though. And some of those are really really hard to take serious. The only read from you that I feel being genuine is dp. And I can't shake the feeling that is because you are both mafia... Oats pushed you long before he was redchecked too. Did you care so little about this game that you are forgetting all of this? Es exestieren 2 wagons die ich nicht wählen möchte. Nach längeren nachdenken wähl ich jemanden der eher flippen könnte oder wie im cc fahl um ihr ihren wunsch zu erfüllen. THAT MAKE ME SCUM Es exestieren 2 wagons die ich aus parnoiden gedanken wegen Dp nicht wählen möchte. Ich wähle keinen vonen wagons THAT MAKE ME SCUM I thougt about who I am gonna lynch I just wasn´t happy with both wagons most of the time. And as soon as I don´t fucking vote this shit dp pushed wagons I AM SCUM. Wuhuuu This voting shit doesn´t make any sense. I thougt about who i was voting even tough I didn´t like my 2 option. I voted CC over Ve because VE is often a misslynch target. I voted CC over J because i wanted to do her the favor she asked for in mason. At some point I just got suck of all this wagons pushed by the scum thread thing and don´t vote any of them. If you believe I am Mafia with dp then vote dp with me. there is still a chance to lynch me after dp flips. I just want to finally get him lynched after this cc shitshow he deserves to get lynced and now killing our major is breaking the top of the iceberg. Lynch Dp with me or lynch me and we all can finally read the obs tomorrow.
Good thing I can read german
Even if I thought DP was as likely mafia as you (and lets be honest you can be mafia if he is town) that would only make sense if all other townies are with us.
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On March 20 2024 06:24 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 06:21 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 06:11 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 06:06 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 05:56 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 05:51 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 05:47 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 05:43 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 05:29 justanothertownie wrote:
I really think it would be a lot more productive and helpful if you reasoned out your read on Rels and Jealous a bit, dmb. Probably even DP. So far I just see: "I know they are mafia". Which is not very convincing to people who don't know that. Okey so I write it again and again and again. TTS looked scummy even with just his few posts. Was not playing and usless for mafia anyway DP getting the gun and knows shooting his usless non activ mafia mate for townreads would be the best way to get townpoints DP pushing us all the time to vote on Town (seems like nobody cares about that) DP and Rels did not really communicate or talk about each other in the thread until i called the scum togther. DP is not town. No fucking way. Rels has licked the hand of the seer´s to get such good information and never made any mistakes here. No voting mistakes no writing mistakes... first mistake was palmar. Happend after the thread got attention... J. Says koshi is scum after koshi got nk....wtf... how the fuck? The voting switch triggers me still in my head. Doesn´t make him Town for me. I repeat - Rels voted me day1. He also hammered VE together with Iamp. Wtf are you even smoking. I get the DP thing - that is fine. But your Rels read is just lazy. I don't buy it. Is the Koshi thing the only reason you think jealous is mafia? you want a better read on rels i give you one after you give me a read on me! when you are town why you don´t see that dp shit? why you think I am scum? Why you actually trusting another wagon pushed mainly by dp? Why you don´t see what kinda shit is happening here for Town? Make a case on me. Tell me why you really voting me and I take my time to make a case on Rels. Because now it´s just useless I will die anyway and we lose this game as Town, because some kangroo is jumping 24/7 in this thread around and let us vote (bad)town after (bad)town after town I see the "dp shit". He has not died so far and pushed mislynches. He could be mafia. But to be fair if he did not shoot mafia he could have won already if that was the case. And there is only one nightkill who he realistically should have been killed instead. That is Koshi. I think you are mafia because Oats thought you scumslipped, because you lynched CC while overexplaining and because you ensured Palmars death while your supposed scumread Jealous was his counterwagon. Your wagon is not mainly pushed by dp at all. He shielded you the last 2 days. Oats pushed the scummiest Town that exists at that moment. For good sake how long do you play this game? He got a red check the only way he could maybe get saved is to make a case on the scmmiest looking town that was me for my lazy list post i made (requested by Rels... he knew my list post always give me scumreads....) CC wanted to die and I accept her wish and was stupid anoth to still listing do dp then I was getting completely paranoid about dp so I wouldn´t vote any wagon pushed by him. Not Palmar Not J. J switching to DP still doesn´t make sense for me. Because he should have just stayed on Palmar to not lose... because either way the wagons were all kinda close with the same vote amounts. I thougts of Palmar as town and didn´t vote. And here you have the fucking unlogical that vote make you scum example CC and VE. I didn´t like both wagons voted still for one of the wagons so my vote is not useless or scummy looking. What happpend? I got called scum for that. Other lynch. Same situation I don´t like the main wagons. I vote somebody else IT MAKE ME FUCKING SCUM AGAIN WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS THE HELL SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK YOU ALL WANT FROM THIS SHIT RUSSIAN DICTURE LYNCHS????????? Do you seriously expect me to have the same opinions, do the same reads as you and convince myself that one of the wagons is fucking scum even if I don't believe it???????? I don't expect you to have the same reads. I expect you to have reasons for your reads though. And some of those are really really hard to take serious. The only read from you that I feel being genuine is dp. And I can't shake the feeling that is because you are both mafia... Oats pushed you long before he was redchecked too. Did you care so little about this game that you are forgetting all of this? Es exestieren 2 wagons die ich nicht wählen möchte. Nach längeren nachdenken wähl ich jemanden der eher flippen könnte oder wie im cc fahl um ihr ihren wunsch zu erfüllen. THAT MAKE ME SCUM Es exestieren 2 wagons die ich aus parnoiden gedanken wegen Dp nicht wählen möchte. Ich wähle keinen vonen wagons THAT MAKE ME SCUM I thougt about who I am gonna lynch I just wasn´t happy with both wagons most of the time. And as soon as I don´t fucking vote this shit dp pushed wagons I AM SCUM. Wuhuuu This voting shit doesn´t make any sense. I thougt about who i was voting even tough I didn´t like my 2 option. I voted CC over Ve because VE is often a misslynch target. I voted CC over J because i wanted to do her the favor she asked for in mason. At some point I just got suck of all this wagons pushed by the scum thread thing and don´t vote any of them. If you believe I am Mafia with dp then vote dp with me. there is still a chance to lynch me after dp flips. I just want to finally get him lynched after this cc shitshow he deserves to get lynced and now killing our major is breaking the top of the iceberg. Lynch Dp with me or lynch me and we all can finally read the obs tomorrow. Good thing I can read german Even if I thought DP was as likely mafia as you (and lets be honest you can be mafia if he is town) that would only make sense if all other townies are with us. sorry already translated it. Who would be mafia if you could just think for one moment on me as Town? Pls try at least one time and then look who voted me first
If you are town my guess would be something like Jealous/DP/MZ maybe.
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On March 20 2024 06:26 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 06:25 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 06:24 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 06:21 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 06:11 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 06:06 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 05:56 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 05:51 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 05:47 justanothertownie wrote:
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I repeat - Rels voted me day1. He also hammered VE together with Iamp. Wtf are you even smoking. I get the DP thing - that is fine. But your Rels read is just lazy. I don't buy it. Is the Koshi thing the only reason you think jealous is mafia? you want a better read on rels i give you one after you give me a read on me! when you are town why you don´t see that dp shit? why you think I am scum? Why you actually trusting another wagon pushed mainly by dp? Why you don´t see what kinda shit is happening here for Town? Make a case on me. Tell me why you really voting me and I take my time to make a case on Rels. Because now it´s just useless I will die anyway and we lose this game as Town, because some kangroo is jumping 24/7 in this thread around and let us vote (bad)town after (bad)town after town I see the "dp shit". He has not died so far and pushed mislynches. He could be mafia. But to be fair if he did not shoot mafia he could have won already if that was the case. And there is only one nightkill who he realistically should have been killed instead. That is Koshi. I think you are mafia because Oats thought you scumslipped, because you lynched CC while overexplaining and because you ensured Palmars death while your supposed scumread Jealous was his counterwagon. Your wagon is not mainly pushed by dp at all. He shielded you the last 2 days. Oats pushed the scummiest Town that exists at that moment. For good sake how long do you play this game? He got a red check the only way he could maybe get saved is to make a case on the scmmiest looking town that was me for my lazy list post i made (requested by Rels... he knew my list post always give me scumreads....) CC wanted to die and I accept her wish and was stupid anoth to still listing do dp then I was getting completely paranoid about dp so I wouldn´t vote any wagon pushed by him. Not Palmar Not J. J switching to DP still doesn´t make sense for me. Because he should have just stayed on Palmar to not lose... because either way the wagons were all kinda close with the same vote amounts. I thougts of Palmar as town and didn´t vote. And here you have the fucking unlogical that vote make you scum example CC and VE. I didn´t like both wagons voted still for one of the wagons so my vote is not useless or scummy looking. What happpend? I got called scum for that. Other lynch. Same situation I don´t like the main wagons. I vote somebody else IT MAKE ME FUCKING SCUM AGAIN WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS THE HELL SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK YOU ALL WANT FROM THIS SHIT RUSSIAN DICTURE LYNCHS????????? Do you seriously expect me to have the same opinions, do the same reads as you and convince myself that one of the wagons is fucking scum even if I don't believe it???????? I don't expect you to have the same reads. I expect you to have reasons for your reads though. And some of those are really really hard to take serious. The only read from you that I feel being genuine is dp. And I can't shake the feeling that is because you are both mafia... Oats pushed you long before he was redchecked too. Did you care so little about this game that you are forgetting all of this? Es exestieren 2 wagons die ich nicht wählen möchte. Nach längeren nachdenken wähl ich jemanden der eher flippen könnte oder wie im cc fahl um ihr ihren wunsch zu erfüllen. THAT MAKE ME SCUM Es exestieren 2 wagons die ich aus parnoiden gedanken wegen Dp nicht wählen möchte. Ich wähle keinen vonen wagons THAT MAKE ME SCUM I thougt about who I am gonna lynch I just wasn´t happy with both wagons most of the time. And as soon as I don´t fucking vote this shit dp pushed wagons I AM SCUM. Wuhuuu This voting shit doesn´t make any sense. I thougt about who i was voting even tough I didn´t like my 2 option. I voted CC over Ve because VE is often a misslynch target. I voted CC over J because i wanted to do her the favor she asked for in mason. At some point I just got suck of all this wagons pushed by the scum thread thing and don´t vote any of them. If you believe I am Mafia with dp then vote dp with me. there is still a chance to lynch me after dp flips. I just want to finally get him lynched after this cc shitshow he deserves to get lynced and now killing our major is breaking the top of the iceberg. Lynch Dp with me or lynch me and we all can finally read the obs tomorrow. Good thing I can read german Even if I thought DP was as likely mafia as you (and lets be honest you can be mafia if he is town) that would only make sense if all other townies are with us. sorry already translated it. Who would be mafia if you could just think for one moment on me as Town? Pls try at least one time and then look who voted me first If you are town my guess would be something like Jealous/DP/MZ maybe. why mz?
Because I think Rels and Iamp are town. He is the only one left. I could be wrong of course.
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Do you use a translator or did you really switch languages for individual sentences?
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On March 20 2024 06:32 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 06:28 iamperfection wrote:On March 20 2024 06:27 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 06:24 iamperfection wrote:
I don't know if I buy that so mad started writing German lol. German is the better language to speak if I am mad. sorry for that. Already wrote it in english. I just can not fucking believe how I am scum for this voting shit show. the elections here are corrupt Is this an american thing? But you switched between sentences because at every sentence I got more mad.
lol
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Thats amazing. Doesnt matter if real or fake.
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On March 20 2024 06:34 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 06:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Do you use a translator or did you really switch languages for individual sentences? I use translater for more specialised word translation if needet but not for fully sentences. And AI for getting better swear words so I would not use fuck all the time
Hehe
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On March 20 2024 06:34 iamperfection wrote:
This defense is so bad it might just be believable lol.
The language thing I buy.
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On March 20 2024 06:36 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 06:33 justanothertownie wrote:
Thats amazing. Doesnt matter if real or fake. Why is that amazing?
Because it is really funny to me to imagine someone being so mad that individual sentences are written in a different language. And if you just made that up its still almost as funny. It is so alien to me.
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On March 20 2024 06:38 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 06:35 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 06:34 iamperfection wrote:
This defense is so bad it might just be believable lol. The language thing I buy. Whats wrong with my defens. I am getting mad I am getting german german+mad=normal
Don't worry about it. I don't care which language you use to defend yourself.
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On March 20 2024 06:42 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 06:40 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 06:36 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 06:33 justanothertownie wrote:
Thats amazing. Doesnt matter if real or fake. Why is that amazing? Because it is really funny to me to imagine someone being so mad that individual sentences are written in a different language. And if you just made that up its still almost as funny. It is so alien to me. I don´t think it´s funny when I get this fucking mad that I can not write in one language anymore
Yeah, maybe I am just an asshole. Cannot help it :D
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If it is of any help the translation checks out. Let's move on.
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Caught by science. I dig it.
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On March 20 2024 06:59 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 06:56 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 06:51 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 06:47 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 06:43 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 06:40 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 06:36 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 06:33 justanothertownie wrote:
Thats amazing. Doesnt matter if real or fake. Why is that amazing? Because it is really funny to me to imagine someone being so mad that individual sentences are written in a different language. And if you just made that up its still almost as funny. It is so alien to me. When I stub my toe I still curse in Russian so I guess it makes sense to some extent, but I feel like with a keyboard in the way and having to switch languages in order to make it happen, it just feels unnatural tbh. I would never be so mad that I don't notice that I switched languages, because that is a highly intentional thing to do on a keyboard or phone. I call BS. I really didn´t think so much about the language at this moment. I just wrote aggressively my thougths about this stupid town with this non sense voting shitshow and maybe switched in both languages. I am used to switch fast language, because I talk to my work colleagues and some guests english as well, but as we speak here german and with have german speaking guests as well, I have to switch fast all the time. But you don't use a keyboard for that though, for a keyboard you have to either press a certain specific key combination in order to achieve or use your mouse to do manually in your OS, so you were calm enough to turn German on and then off again with a very specific and accuracy-dependent method, but mad enough to write in German? Ok. Btw writing and speaking utilize some different parts of the brain so making the argument that because you switch in your daily speaking life is not a great one for that reason, too. wtf It´s not mandarin or arabic I use the same keyboard with the same order of letters to write german or english. I am learning with the same keyboard italien. I don´t need to change any settings for that. I don´t turn anything of or on at the keyboard. We use the same 26 letters of the alphabet +äöü How do you create äöü?
They are normal keys on a german keyboard. No effort necessary.
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On March 20 2024 07:03 die_meatbaby wrote:
Is this here a serious question with the keyboard
I think jealous is serious. This line of questioning is not very productive though.
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On March 20 2024 07:03 iamperfection wrote:
I find it hilarious.
That yes.
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On March 20 2024 07:05 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 07:04 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 07:03 die_meatbaby wrote:
Is this here a serious question with the keyboard I think jealous is serious. This line of questioning is not very productive though. yeah and you are voting me instead of the one who want to make a case on me because of my german keyboard thats even worse then palmar who made a case on me by counting how often I used the word fuck
Fair. Not why I am voting you though.
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Iamp if you want to switch and see how things develop from there I would be down btw.
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Have a hard time deciding right now.
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On March 20 2024 07:26 iamperfection wrote:Need dmb to do it.
Well, of course. If he does not do it in the end we have no choice but to kill her.
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Done. Would really like some input from dp, rels and mz. I will not be around for the whole day tomorrow since my sister is getting married (only the official stuff, not the grand celebration) but I should find some time before/after the ceremony.
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On March 20 2024 07:32 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 07:31 justanothertownie wrote:
Done. Would really like some input from dp, rels and mz. I will not be around for the whole day tomorrow since my sister is getting married (only the official stuff, not the grand celebration) but I should find some time before/after the ceremony. Do you have a cutoff time for voting like I do?
Not a clear one - I am sure that I can be somewhat flexible if necessary. But ideally I would not be online for much longer than the current time. So 2-3 hour before deadline.
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On March 20 2024 07:34 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 07:32 iamperfection wrote:On March 20 2024 07:31 justanothertownie wrote:
Done. Would really like some input from dp, rels and mz. I will not be around for the whole day tomorrow since my sister is getting married (only the official stuff, not the grand celebration) but I should find some time before/after the ceremony. Do you have a cutoff time for voting like I do? Not a clear one - I am sure that I can be somewhat flexible if necessary. But ideally I would not be online for much longer than the current time. So 2-3 hour before deadline.
Which has nothing to do with the wedding btw. the deadline is just 3 am for me.
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On March 20 2024 07:36 Jealous wrote:
Only possible explanations I can come up with for this change of direction:
1. Y'all actually think I'm more likely to flip scum than the scummiest player in the game.
2. Y'all actually think I could be on a team with DMB.
I find both of these highly implausible so y'all must be scum tbh.
There is still a lot of time. Feel free to show us the way.
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On March 20 2024 07:58 DarthPunk wrote:
Then only thing that DMB's defense has done is make me think that maybe jealous is town over someone like Jat, who should be a better analyst than he is being here.
Okay dude. If these 2 are both mafia I have been correct for a few days while you lynched several townies. Just saying.
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Like, I have not made up my mind yet but you are not bullying anyone to vote for your preferred lynch today anymore. You will fall in line like a good little sheep if you are town.
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On March 20 2024 08:02 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 08:01 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 07:58 DarthPunk wrote:
Then only thing that DMB's defense has done is make me think that maybe jealous is town over someone like Jat, who should be a better analyst than he is being here. Okay dude. If these 2 are both mafia I have been correct for a few days while you lynched several townies. Just saying. What convinced you about DMB's defense then? Explain it to me.
I think she is legitimately mad. Now that does not mean she is town of course. Her read progression for everything except her scumread on you is terrible. I think it is worth it to put Jealous through this too though and see how people react, especially since I am not the biggest fan of his contributions today. Your reaction has been duly noted.
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On March 20 2024 08:04 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 08:01 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 07:58 DarthPunk wrote:
Then only thing that DMB's defense has done is make me think that maybe jealous is town over someone like Jat, who should be a better analyst than he is being here. Okay dude. If these 2 are both mafia I have been correct for a few days while you lynched several townies. Just saying. That doesn't make you town FWIW, most of the town has been wrong so far, so is town more likely to be correct in this game or is mafia. Part of the case against DMB should be obvious to you if you are in fact town BTW> She has been spewing TMI since the last phase, saying I am pushing town on town wagons, when you haven't flipped and Palmar hadn't flipped and Jealous hadn't flipped and is in fact now here scum read after being her town read when she created that argument. Like I don't think it can be any more clear to you that she is mafia if you are town.
Connecting that to my alignment is a big stretch. The tendency of people to assume being correct can only come from mafia is absolutely terrible as well. Good job copying dmbs bad point here. I have made my opinion on the things she did during the last days very clear today.
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On March 20 2024 08:08 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 08:06 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 08:02 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2024 08:01 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 07:58 DarthPunk wrote:
Then only thing that DMB's defense has done is make me think that maybe jealous is town over someone like Jat, who should be a better analyst than he is being here. Okay dude. If these 2 are both mafia I have been correct for a few days while you lynched several townies. Just saying. What convinced you about DMB's defense then? Explain it to me. I think she is legitimately mad. Now that does not mean she is town of course. Her read progression for everything except her scumread on you is terrible. I think it is worth it to put Jealous through this too though and see how people react, especially since I am not the biggest fan of his contributions today. Your reaction has been duly noted. Did you read her last scum game? she leaned into aggression and emotiveness there as well.
You know perfectly well that I read that game. Why are you even asking that?
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The question is why are you so mad about putting some pressure on Jealous? After flip flopping your vote all the time on earlier days?
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On March 20 2024 08:10 DarthPunk wrote:
Like she literally said mafia is bussing her.
Are you implying that would be a scumslip? Didn't she use that term earlier this game in the same way?
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On March 20 2024 08:16 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 08:14 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 08:10 DarthPunk wrote:
Like she literally said mafia is bussing her.
Are you implying that would be a scumslip? Didn't she use that term earlier this game in the same way? I literally said its a scum slip, I haven't noticed another occurrence of it. you can link the post if you want.
On March 06 2024 11:17 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:16 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 11:15 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 11:11 Vivax wrote:
Trfel is the scum roleblocker and sandro and Oats want to save him by bussing DMB.
That‘s what it feels like. Uhh I found a person with a bit of brain  I already thougt here was a zombieattack Bussing means your team is trying to kill you btw. this 2 are not in my team... They coming from the dark side
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Maybe you could argue she should know the term by now.
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On March 20 2024 08:26 DarthPunk wrote:
I will consolidate on jealous by the way because town needs to be united here. But I wanna see what rels and MZ have to say first, particularly Rels.
Cool. We are of the same opinion for once.
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On March 20 2024 08:28 DarthPunk wrote:
Jealous have you got a POE of 3 scum reads that is up to date?
Yeah, that would be helpful. It was very dmb centered today.
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On March 20 2024 08:33 die_meatbaby wrote:
So just to make this clear I have to make a case on DP on Rels and J now. Because just making a case on one person for one lynch is not enough..
sorry not gonna waste my time for 3 cases at one lynch were I get lynched obv.
At least make a case on Jealous then. It would be better if you would do Rels too - we had this topic already. Your read is based on things that are factually incorrect.
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On March 20 2024 09:33 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 09:23 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2024 09:20 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 08:28 DarthPunk wrote:
Jealous have you got a POE of 3 scum reads that is up to date? Here's a possible DMB x JAT x iamp case: JAT x iamp: + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 05:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I think I like the direction that seems to have formed of Iamp, Rayn, marv and to a lesser degree sandro as a council of sorts. I had at least 3-4 moments in the early pages where Iamp posted exactly what I was thinking at the time. Rayn seems reasonable so far (but him masoning marv is probably something he does as either alignment) and I agree that marv masoning sandro is a move that is more likely to come from town.
Would still prefer if people used the thread to communicate even though it would make catching up even harder. On March 05 2024 07:56 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that. ^ That would make sense. On March 07 2024 03:25 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 03:22 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 03:21 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:20 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:12 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 12:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 12:37 CopCake wrote:
So my theory is that Tfrel got lynched because mafia big boys are scared of him. He got lynched because of his end of day posts.I was about to swap to JAT and he basically claimed mafia ITT O_o Who are the mafia big boys who lynched Trfel though? My filter is there. Why are you asking me this? Because I thought you might enlighten me without me having to go to your filter. DP obviously. Who else? Iamp, Vivax, Palmar Ok. Vivax and Iamp pushed that for sure - I just don't think they are very likely to be mafia. Palmar was happy to sit on me through the whole thing. I don't remember him pushing Trfel. On March 08 2024 00:46 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 00:35 iamperfection wrote:On March 08 2024 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:29 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 00:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:14 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:07 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 23:58 Jealous wrote:[quote] Updates from Oats' filter since the above reads list:2847: Voted JAT anyway despite townreading him, to give Trfel "time to play." Because of where the votes were, I am not gonna change alignments here, but it should be noted that Oats had JAT as town and Trfel as NA. 3414: "Jsl saying that koshi’s thing was a scumslip but DMB’s thing wasn’t a scumslip is super sus" 3861: "I’m just laughing at the jealous post completely accepting that he’s acting in an anti town manner because of “probability”" <- I don't think this is enough for me to assume they SR me but who knows. 3990: "For claim reactions, I think that the way jealous reacted felt very preplanned and lining up the mislynches, what do you think?" <- This is closer to an accusation IMO.* 4067: "Overall, it just doesn’t seem like mz has natural progressions and is not trying to find mafia" 4013: "If this means that you think slam is cop then yes I agree " So we have: Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Scum:
Meapak_Ziphh
Jealous [?]*
Jacob
VE
DMB
CopCakeAlso: "I do agree that either both [ rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town." @Oatsmaster: Is this updated reads list of yours accurate? What would you change and why? Jacob is town, cop is town, tothestars is mafia. You are null, jat is mafia Updated list: Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Jacob
CopCake
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
marvellosity
ToTheStars
Rels
Jealous
Scum:
JAT
Meapak_Ziphh
Jacob
ToTheStars
VE
DMB
CopCakeCan you elaborate on the above changes? Old positions crossed out, new positions should be accurate. On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
How did you get jat is town from my filter From this, quoted above in response to the original list: Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now Oh that was night wifom, he’s definitely scum Alright. Also found your TTS reasoning above, so we can skip that one. 1. I'm guessing Jacob town because of the role claim, correct? 2. Why is JAT scum? 3. And why is CopCake town? I really don’t like the way he was absolving himself of responsibility on day 1 and sheeping marv wholesale while claiming marv wasn’t a townread for him. Today hes said twice now about the check possibly being altered but he’s seems to have said it just to say it without fully considering what the options are There are no options, Oats. If you are town you have been very unfortunate. Or slam is mafia, which I think is very unlikely. In each case, the correct play is always to lynch you today. The correct play is to lynch mafia. The man makes a good point. Such smart On March 07 2024 02:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Trfel (11): iamperfection, Alakaslam, Justanothertownie, marvellosity, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Vivax, Jealous, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, sandroba
I think this wagon is overall quite towny (both claimants, marv, koshi, iamp, sandro). The only player that really seems suspicious at first glance is VE. There is probably someone else hiding in here but the people on my wagon look markedly worse on average. Which makes sense since they would probably rather be on the townie that doesn't immediately flip. ^ This is just from the first two days and they are practically blowing each other. I'm gonna keep digging to see if there are any discrepancies but to my recollection it was never like they filtered one another or anything. Then there is the fact that they just both happened to switch to me and then say "ah yea won't be around much tomorrow btw." Like, yea, plausible, but could easily be a coordinated push that only appears whimsical. They also seemed to just give DMB a free pass way too often this game. Combine that with this: On March 06 2024 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now
Jacob more null slam town Town:KoshiIamperfection RaynPalmarVivaxJAT SlamNA:DarthPunk sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
JealousMeapak_Ziphh HapahauliToTheStarsRels JacobScum:VEDMB CopCake--- So this is Oats' updated "read list." We know he was bussing DMB hard if it's scumgoon!DMB, which I think would make the most sense to be honest, as it would paint him in a really good light when she flips red, let him survive one day longer at minimum as framer. This would then make his town "reads" of JAT/iamp have a lot of value, and putting them with other confirmed town would give them good insulation. Let's not forget who voted for VE over Oats: + Show Spoiler +Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (9): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, justanothertownie, ToTheStars, Koshi, marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Vivax, Palmar, Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, CopCake
Palmar (0): Oatsmaster, CopCake, iamperfection, JacobStrangelove, CopCake
Jealous (0): CopCake
justanothertownie (0): Vivax, Oatsmaster
ToTheStars (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster
marvellosity (0): Vivax
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Hint: It's iamp. Both of them were on TTS at one point. Iamp was moving his vote almost as much as Oats was. Iamp was on three different townies' wagons on the day of a red flip, and stuck to it in the end. Is this what you actually consider most likely here? Game is hard. It's one of the potential teams that I think is plausible. Don't think there is another duo that has remained so supportive and unquestioning of each other in the game to be honest. A DMB x You x someone team is also possible. After all, you did tell me that she was unassailable for an entire day cycle. You did survive a situation where you were at 3 votes and no one jumped on your wagon, and from my POV it was 3-3-3 TvTv?. You were the final jump to Palmar, possibly because jumping to me would make you look suspicious when I flip town while I was voting you, possibly because you thought I was more firmly in your pocket despite voting you. I guess since JAT didn't answer my question for some reason, I'll ask you: Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 08:03 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 08:01 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 07:58 DarthPunk wrote:
Then only thing that DMB's defense has done is make me think that maybe jealous is town over someone like Jat, who should be a better analyst than he is being here. Okay dude. If these 2 are both mafia I have been correct for a few days while you lynched several townies. Just saying. Just out of curiosity, in this hypothetical scum team, are DMB, myself, and another likely sane person coordinating all of this madness, or are we just letting DMB do DMB things and trying to react accordingly? I know that JAT's point was going against yours in this case, so if it makes more sense to you, try to construct a different DMB team. What do you think that hypothetical team is doing?
Both works in my head. The more or less sane person could be dp, but maybe you are with MZ and dmb is just doing her thing.
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On March 20 2024 11:31 Rels wrote:
And to answer JAT, I didn't see anything from DMB that couldn't come from scum. I disagree that the dumb tunnel and aggressiveness cannot come from scum!her, since she was similar in the other scum game she played
I also think Jealous is scum though, also didn't see anything that would have changed my mind, not a fan of most of his posts today, ironically except the ones on DMB (I guess it's easier when you have to case an actual scum ...)
Would prefer a DMB flip today, but whatever happens while I'm away tomorrow, I'll vote with the majority. I'll be around for the lynch, on my phone in the worst case
Understood. I can change back before I leave in the evening if nothing changes today.
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On March 20 2024 15:48 Jealous wrote:
Ah see this is why I wanted to wait for tomorrow to compare actual names and not just numbers, because on me were town Vivax and Palmar at EoD, so if DMB and JAT are scum then it would have taken just JAT and one scum on Palmar to lynch town!DP. Still would have been sus af of course but anyway I'll map it out tomorrow.
I think it is way more telling that there was 0 mafia on you in the end. They were all either on dp or palmar.
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If jealous is town (does not seem very likely to me), you should really revisit the bolded assumption more critically. Fortunately, it would become more obvious with each night that dp is not killed.
MZ is not the only one who just repeated/agreed with what you had to say today.
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Jealous new vote analysis is just more or less the same in a new format again. Busywork without a lot of conclusions that are drawn.
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I mean, the iamp dp idea is frightening but I don't think that is very likely.
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On March 21 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:
I mean, the iamp dp idea is frightening but I don't think that is very likely. Part of me just Thinks jealous is trying to derail his partners wagon here. It’s weird how he kind of called dmb town.
Yeah, I am also not sure that thought progress makes sense to me.
The whole premise of "people who hammer need to mafia" is quite questionable. As are all conclusions drawn from it.
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On March 21 2024 07:15 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:On March 21 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2024 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:
I mean, the iamp dp idea is frightening but I don't think that is very likely. Part of me just Thinks jealous is trying to derail his partners wagon here. It’s weird how he kind of called dmb town. Yeah, I am also not sure that thought progress makes sense to me. The whole premise of "people who hammer need to mafia" is quite questionable. As are all conclusions drawn from it. Also, I mean, does this movement from town make sense to you? In theory it could be three scum just eating popcorn, but that would then have to be (assuming you are town) DMB, Rels, and MZ. Does that team sound plausible to you?
I wouldn't call that eating popcorn considering the time in which this happened. Also, I really do not know why you think iamp and dp have to be of the same alignment.
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On March 21 2024 07:34 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 07:19 justanothertownie wrote:On March 21 2024 07:15 Jealous wrote:On March 21 2024 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:On March 21 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2024 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:
I mean, the iamp dp idea is frightening but I don't think that is very likely. Part of me just Thinks jealous is trying to derail his partners wagon here. It’s weird how he kind of called dmb town. Yeah, I am also not sure that thought progress makes sense to me. The whole premise of "people who hammer need to mafia" is quite questionable. As are all conclusions drawn from it. Also, I mean, does this movement from town make sense to you? In theory it could be three scum just eating popcorn, but that would then have to be (assuming you are town) DMB, Rels, and MZ. Does that team sound plausible to you? I wouldn't call that eating popcorn considering the time in which this happened. Also, I really do not know why you think iamp and dp have to be of the same alignment. I mean, the remaining four players are the only ones who didn't change their vote, and none were potential lynch targets. So, that's basically eating popcorn. Okay, so what alignments do you think make sense with this vote movement?
Various different ones. Obviously the easiest would be you are mafia with dmb and one of mz/dp. Just from the voting it obviously also could be iamp or Rels.
If you are town it can be dp + any of those too. I don't think the wagon was ever a realistic one. Tinfoil theory here is still that dp told dmb to bus him. That's why just looking at votes alone is quite useless.
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On March 21 2024 07:40 DarthPunk wrote:
If dmb is mafia she would be bussed here 1000% of the time.
Absolutely.
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On March 21 2024 07:48 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 07:46 Jealous wrote:On March 21 2024 07:42 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 21 2024 07:40 DarthPunk wrote:
If dmb is mafia she would be bussed here 1000% of the time.
I am not bussing my teammatesLook back. I kinda tried to ignore my teammates. made a short read on rayn in a list post. Didn´t talk to him in thread. Just tried to talk to everbody else. Thats not how I played and how I would play Thanks for clearing me again. If that clears you it also clears me and implicates mz and JAT pretty seriously. Worth remembering for after the flip.
Or - and that is more likely - it does not clear anyone. Because it is probably a lie.
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On March 21 2024 07:48 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 07:44 Jealous wrote:On March 21 2024 07:41 justanothertownie wrote:On March 21 2024 07:34 Jealous wrote:On March 21 2024 07:19 justanothertownie wrote:On March 21 2024 07:15 Jealous wrote:On March 21 2024 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:On March 21 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2024 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:
I mean, the iamp dp idea is frightening but I don't think that is very likely. Part of me just Thinks jealous is trying to derail his partners wagon here. It’s weird how he kind of called dmb town. Yeah, I am also not sure that thought progress makes sense to me. The whole premise of "people who hammer need to mafia" is quite questionable. As are all conclusions drawn from it. Also, I mean, does this movement from town make sense to you? In theory it could be three scum just eating popcorn, but that would then have to be (assuming you are town) DMB, Rels, and MZ. Does that team sound plausible to you? I wouldn't call that eating popcorn considering the time in which this happened. Also, I really do not know why you think iamp and dp have to be of the same alignment. I mean, the remaining four players are the only ones who didn't change their vote, and none were potential lynch targets. So, that's basically eating popcorn. Okay, so what alignments do you think make sense with this vote movement? Various different ones. Obviously the easiest would be you are mafia with dmb and one of mz/dp. Just from the voting it obviously also could be iamp or Rels. If you are town it can be dp + any of those too. I don't think the wagon was ever a realistic one. Tinfoil theory here is still that dp told dmb to bus him. That's why just looking at votes alone is quite useless. Yea... Now that I am going through DMB's filter from that day, the way she went berserk feels overly dramatic as hell (quoted recently), just like yesterday's German. I think that DMB wouldn't also try to bus a non-factor Rels at the same time, though. So I think Rels would be town there, unless scum's whole plan was to bus the entire game and somehow get away with (Oats on TTS, and DMB, DMB on Oats, DP on DMB and DMB on DP, etc.). I already said it and I say it again. Nobody suspected Rels. Nobody besides maybe Palmar talked about Rels. Rels were in such a safe postion that it would be so unnecessary of a scumDMB to make people pay attention on Rels.
You still have not reevaluated or justified that read after being told it is based on totally incorrect assumptions though.
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On March 21 2024 07:57 DarthPunk wrote:
Like dmb could not be any more obviously mafia than she is right now.
Agreed
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On March 21 2024 07:57 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 07:53 justanothertownie wrote:On March 21 2024 07:48 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 21 2024 07:44 Jealous wrote:On March 21 2024 07:41 justanothertownie wrote:On March 21 2024 07:34 Jealous wrote:On March 21 2024 07:19 justanothertownie wrote:On March 21 2024 07:15 Jealous wrote:On March 21 2024 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:On March 21 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:
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Part of me just Thinks jealous is trying to derail his partners wagon here.
It’s weird how he kind of called dmb town. Yeah, I am also not sure that thought progress makes sense to me. The whole premise of "people who hammer need to mafia" is quite questionable. As are all conclusions drawn from it. Also, I mean, does this movement from town make sense to you? In theory it could be three scum just eating popcorn, but that would then have to be (assuming you are town) DMB, Rels, and MZ. Does that team sound plausible to you? I wouldn't call that eating popcorn considering the time in which this happened. Also, I really do not know why you think iamp and dp have to be of the same alignment. I mean, the remaining four players are the only ones who didn't change their vote, and none were potential lynch targets. So, that's basically eating popcorn. Okay, so what alignments do you think make sense with this vote movement? Various different ones. Obviously the easiest would be you are mafia with dmb and one of mz/dp. Just from the voting it obviously also could be iamp or Rels. If you are town it can be dp + any of those too. I don't think the wagon was ever a realistic one. Tinfoil theory here is still that dp told dmb to bus him. That's why just looking at votes alone is quite useless. Yea... Now that I am going through DMB's filter from that day, the way she went berserk feels overly dramatic as hell (quoted recently), just like yesterday's German. I think that DMB wouldn't also try to bus a non-factor Rels at the same time, though. So I think Rels would be town there, unless scum's whole plan was to bus the entire game and somehow get away with (Oats on TTS, and DMB, DMB on Oats, DP on DMB and DMB on DP, etc.). I already said it and I say it again. Nobody suspected Rels. Nobody besides maybe Palmar talked about Rels. Rels were in such a safe postion that it would be so unnecessary of a scumDMB to make people pay attention on Rels. You still have not reevaluated or justified that read after being told it is based on totally incorrect assumptions though. So I have to make a read on 3 people to stop my lycnh what will anyways not happen? For today I would just be happy if town would see who dp pushed the town in the wrong direction as director of the thread.
Yeah, after well over 500 pages I would except your second strongest scumread to be based on more than "was too correct voting early in the game". Especially since it is not even true that he was particularly correct. That does not suggest you are thinking about the game critically at all.
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On March 21 2024 08:00 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 07:59 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 21 2024 07:59 die_meatbaby wrote:
you pushed all the vote wagons
you are the reason why there are still mafia alive
you were so activ that nobody is thinking it´s possibole as mafia
3 mafia I’m also why 2 mafia are dead.
You had nothing to do with oats death. Like, come on.
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On March 21 2024 08:03 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 08:02 justanothertownie wrote:On March 21 2024 08:00 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2024 07:59 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 21 2024 07:59 die_meatbaby wrote:
you pushed all the vote wagons
you are the reason why there are still mafia alive
you were so activ that nobody is thinking it´s possibole as mafia
3 mafia I’m also why 2 mafia are dead. You had nothing to do with oats death. Like, come on. Yes I did I made sure town didn’t lose its damn mind and lynch ve instead. Go read back. It was fucking close too.
Yes, you parroted me nicely there after I told people stay the course on oats.
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On March 21 2024 08:05 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 08:05 justanothertownie wrote:On March 21 2024 08:03 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2024 08:02 justanothertownie wrote:On March 21 2024 08:00 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2024 07:59 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 21 2024 07:59 die_meatbaby wrote:
you pushed all the vote wagons
you are the reason why there are still mafia alive
you were so activ that nobody is thinking it´s possibole as mafia
3 mafia I’m also why 2 mafia are dead. You had nothing to do with oats death. Like, come on. Yes I did I made sure town didn’t lose its damn mind and lynch ve instead. Go read back. It was fucking close too. Yes, you parroted me nicely there after I told people stay the course on oats. I had the thread presence to get it done.
Clearly.
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I'll be here for maybe 15-20 more minutes. I do not see this lynch changing at all though.
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On March 21 2024 08:08 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 08:03 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2024 08:02 justanothertownie wrote:On March 21 2024 08:00 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2024 07:59 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 21 2024 07:59 die_meatbaby wrote:
you pushed all the vote wagons
you are the reason why there are still mafia alive
you were so activ that nobody is thinking it´s possibole as mafia
3 mafia I’m also why 2 mafia are dead. You had nothing to do with oats death. Like, come on. Yes I did I made sure town didn’t lose its damn mind and lynch ve instead. Go read back. It was fucking close too. so why didn´t you stop the Ve lynch? you had even a vote on him and switched it back to cc your are leading town here. You are the master of the thread. When you were saying stop lynching weak/bad town like DMB or Ve. Then why didn´t you stop that lynch. You played often enough with Ve. You knew he get easy lynch with slow pushing. You even had a vote on him. You didn´t to a shit about that. You were like no no I am just for a CC lynch. Fuck that shit you pushed the ve lynch slightly and stayed mostly on the CC vote because Ve is anyways so scummy that you don´t have to do much to get Town lynching him.
Suppose dp is town. How is he to know if VE is town when he is scummy? Or cake? Is he supposed to be all knowing because he has the most influence?
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gg. Guess I have to take another 3 year break now. Cannot risk rolling mafia again.
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And yes, after Palmar was lynched this was basically over.
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On March 21 2024 18:01 marvellosity wrote:
JAT did very well to hide on DPs coat tails.
DP was sort of outed at the end but that’s the price of leading all the lynches.
Hard to lynch Jat over a few others though.
Very one sided in the end.
I thought we were quite separated in case town got its shit together to lynch dp.
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On March 21 2024 18:07 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 18:01 marvellosity wrote:
JAT did very well to hide on DPs coat tails.
DP was sort of outed at the end but that’s the price of leading all the lynches.
Hard to lynch Jat over a few others though.
Very one sided in the end. Agree JAT was the perfect partner actually. very well played by him.
Didn't hurt that we are the polar opposite in our approach to playing mafia. It made it a well-rounded mix.
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On March 21 2024 18:09 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 18:07 justanothertownie wrote:On March 21 2024 18:01 marvellosity wrote:
JAT did very well to hide on DPs coat tails.
DP was sort of outed at the end but that’s the price of leading all the lynches.
Hard to lynch Jat over a few others though.
Very one sided in the end. I thought we were quite separated in case town got its shit together to lynch dp. This is why you don’t ever get a townread lol
:D
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Same. I was really sad to have rolled mafia.
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On March 21 2024 18:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 18:14 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2024 18:08 marvellosity wrote:On March 21 2024 18:03 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2024 17:51 marvellosity wrote:On March 21 2024 17:50 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2024 17:43 marvellosity wrote:On March 09 2024 23:31 marvellosity wrote:On March 09 2024 23:27 iamperfection wrote:On March 09 2024 23:24 marvellosity wrote:
This isn’t a democracy I'll give you one for sure then you give me one. TTS I think these people are town DP Vivax
Jealous
Palmar
Cc
Jsl
Iamp
Koshi
SlamPoe is the rest. But tbh I would be shocked if all the above are town. I wasn’t doing too badly on n2 tbh! Look at me on top of that list! Wasn’t I green before though 😛 The green and bold are my highlights here. The list wasn’t ordered, it’s in the order of the signup list Ok fair. I did Think that was a pretty good read at the time. There is a reason you got shot. The only mistakes you made really, and of course they didn’t matter at all, was claiming the gun like you did, and to a lesser extent shooting TTS didn’t make sense to me. I talked about this quite soon after I died. I play the percentages so I didn’t think you were mafia for it at the time or for a long time after. You’ll say the claim was NAI, but it isn’t - it was careless. And as mafia in that spot you can afford to be careless because you know you’ll get your shot off. It’s a psychological thing. Lynching palmar showed your hand but it just didn’t matter anymore. Unbelievable performance though mate. Sensational really. Thanks, means a lot. Yeah it was bad. But I played it off as well as I could. The tts shot if questioned was going to be about because I stated in the thread it was a good vig shot so I had an obligation. I definitely played to pushed a mafia agenda after the shot rather than stay hidden though And boy did you push it and boy did it work I felt as town you would have had confidence in your convictions and shot CC
Yeah, he refused to do that though. It was ve or TTS. I would normally never ever agree to shoot one of our own. But ve was always going to be one of the mislynched so by shooting TTS we did effectively not make it easier for town.
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I legitimately was astounded how little people respected a Marv townread on Palmar which was so strong. I would have never lynched you as town.
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Yeah, it would be great if townies could start reading the op and stop self voting. The dumbtells this game were through the roof. It is really annoying when this is what you have to argue against as mafia.
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Sure, but some things you automatically know if you are mafia. The amount of KP for example.
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On March 21 2024 19:26 CopCake wrote:
Also I didnt know sharing >~< that rayn was losing it laughing in the other room was - cheating -
I personally think that was perfectly fine. Why wouldnt he laugh as mafia. I know I do if something funny happens.
Generally advisable to strictly separate the game from RL though.
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On March 21 2024 11:18 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 11:07 Vivax wrote:
Wp Oats, DP, Jat
Jealous too. Undoubtedly mafias greatest asset.
Mz and Rels were ok too lol I really hated the way you reacted to me post Palmar flip. Almost ragequit the game - actually I did ragequit the game, and came back the next day But yeah apart from that, good read on DP MZ had an incredible D2 IMO. That was always where I came back to when I wanted to suspect him JAT, fuck. The thing that really hit me was the reactions to the VE 3 cases. Exact copy of what I thought. What a mindmeld. It fucked me off for the rest of the game
I really did not try to pocket you that hard btw. We just think very very similarly. That has been the case in the past too.
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