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justanothertownie

16316 Posts

March 14 2024 21:57 GMT

#8461

Can't stay either. I'll be flying to the UK early tomorrow.

iamperfection

United States9637 Posts

March 14 2024 21:57 GMT

#8462

On March 15 2024 06:57 DarthPunk wrote:
The problem with cake is that she is so insanely hard to lynch that it might just end up getting palmar lynched trying to go for her. Even though I think she is the best shot at mafia flipping this phase.

It would have the bonus of not having to read their posts anymore.

CopCake

4378 Posts

March 14 2024 21:58 GMT

#8463

On March 15 2024 06:53 justanothertownie wrote:

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I townread both. CC is only in the tinfoil scenario.

Walk me in this

Have I actually me tunneled on DP?

I mean I try - from my perspective - go to other directions and he comes like and repeats I am mafia.

There are several attemps of me trying to work with him but I get ignored.

Notice how he just woke up? And said lynch cake when he doesnt even cared to check my reads - bad or not - about iamp.

It is difficult to play this game.

My scenario of iamp/DP/palmar works perfectly

Jacob gives him a gun
Kill TTS to win town cred

Similar to what Oats and Iamp were doing while trying to lynch TTS the second day to save Oats

Vivax

21738 Posts

March 14 2024 21:58 GMT

#8464

The only correct play here is to kill DP Rels and Jealous.

Everyone else is making too little sense.

DarthPunk

Australia10847 Posts

March 14 2024 21:58 GMT

#8465

Can I ask a question.

Why do I not get to lynch my scum read this game when you all know I am town?

Palmar

Iceland22631 Posts

March 14 2024 21:58 GMT

#8466

On March 15 2024 06:56 iamperfection wrote:

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But i have felt thats what you have been doing lol the second paragraph. I feel like you have been sideways calling me mafia with no real good reason. I feel like you really haven't read my entire filter.

Cool, I haven't. Excellent conclusion.

justanothertownie

16316 Posts

March 14 2024 21:59 GMT

#8467

On March 15 2024 06:58 CopCake wrote:

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DP shot mafia. We gained a mislynch. If he is alive in LYLO you can think about killing him. Right now that is not productive.

Vivax

21738 Posts

March 14 2024 21:59 GMT

#8468

I'm going back to Jealous he's an easier pick than DP/Rels today

DarthPunk

Australia10847 Posts

March 14 2024 21:59 GMT

#8469

On March 15 2024 06:58 Vivax wrote:
The only correct play here is to kill DP Rels and Jealous.

Everyone else is making too little sense.

Now is not the time for the shitpost section of your range. Tbh

CopCake

4378 Posts

March 14 2024 22:00 GMT

#8470

On March 15 2024 06:58 DarthPunk wrote:
Can I ask a question.

Why do I not get to lynch my scum read this game when you all know I am town?

Incorrect, you are not cleared.

You could be mafia who got a gun from a gunsmith.

Vivax

21738 Posts

March 14 2024 22:00 GMT

#8471

On March 15 2024 06:59 DarthPunk wrote:

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Now is not the time for the shitpost section of your range. Tbh

Hey you said DMB could have a point on Rels.
As for Jealous you have been blatantly ignoring his existence all game long

iamperfection

United States9637 Posts

March 14 2024 22:01 GMT

#8472

On March 15 2024 06:58 CopCake wrote:

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cake im clearly town. Dp i believe is clearly town too.

You just martyring again when dp calls you mafia makes no sense.
Like why does one person calling you mafia send you crazy.

Vivax

21738 Posts

March 14 2024 22:01 GMT

#8473

Where is the guy while we sweat and toil

CopCake

4378 Posts

March 14 2024 22:01 GMT

#8474

On March 15 2024 06:59 justanothertownie wrote:

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DP shot mafia. We gained a mislynch. If he is alive in LYLO you can think about killing him. Right now that is not productive.

Yeah but to be alive to get shit on me?

I am not insane.

At least when I am dead and I flip town, the REAL town will look at him.

DarthPunk

Australia10847 Posts

March 14 2024 22:02 GMT

#8475

On March 15 2024 07:00 CopCake wrote:

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Incorrect, you are not cleared.

You could be mafia who got a gun from a gunsmith.

And shot mafia cake???! And then made it so my team had to have an additional 2 mislynches or whatever?

You are out of your god damn mind. You never ever got off trying to cast doubt on me. You just pretended when you were forced to.

Get her out.

Vivax

21738 Posts

March 14 2024 22:02 GMT

#8476

JAT got himself scumread enough so he could sheep me on Jealous and pretend it's his read so he got himself a case for acting all smug in postgame

CopCake

4378 Posts

March 14 2024 22:03 GMT

#8477

On March 15 2024 07:01 iamperfection wrote:

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cake im clearly town. Dp i believe is clearly town too.

You just martyring again when dp calls you mafia makes no sense.
Like why does one person calling you mafia send you crazy.

I have been thinking he is mafia, saying that killing TTS doesnt clear him.

Everybody asked me to look somewhere else.

I do and he starts again.

Not fun.

Palmar

Iceland22631 Posts

March 14 2024 22:03 GMT

#8478

Here's the thing.

I am absolutely in the "CC almost can't be mafia because these antics are just so ridiculous" camp.

Is the case against her just "let's kill her because I'm going to believe she is better than this?"

DarthPunk

Australia10847 Posts

March 14 2024 22:03 GMT

#8479

On March 15 2024 07:00 Vivax wrote:

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Hey you said DMB could have a point on Rels.
As for Jealous you have been blatantly ignoring his existence all game long

Not true.

You don’t have a good argument for why he is mafia vivax.

He really wanted to lynch oats when we were mason pairs

But didn’t post in the thread for cred.

That is a ridiculous type of bus vivax

justanothertownie

16316 Posts

March 14 2024 22:04 GMT

#8480

On March 14 2024 19:08 Palmar wrote:

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Rels is town because he has been extremely right this game, outside of his tunnel on me.

The TMI joke is simply because of just how much he has been right, I thought you'd understand that.

The only weird actual possible TMI thing that he has done is his response to MZs case on me:

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On March 14 2024 10:35 Rels wrote:

On March 13 2024 15:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I have been hesitant to scumread Palmar bc I had that TR of him early, masoned him but got blown off so I couldn’t make any real determination, and he was drunk posting with me. That said I think Rels looks terrible right now and some of that has been his association and disassociation with his Palmar reads. Palmar has also been scumreading me for most of the game so I’ve been careful trying to not let that cloud my judgement. That said, it’s time to address his scumread of me or lack thereof.

On March 09 2024 07:01 Palmar wrote:
God I'm so lazy and bad at this game.

This sums up my read of Palmar tonight.

On March 06 2024 06:54 Palmar wrote:
As for other people.

I stand by the sandroba townread, koshi is probably town too. I like Oats a lot more now for actually making sense. I also like JSL and Vivax.

I'd need VE to actually step up some again, same with Trfel. I had some reads on both but they're weak. DMB is also a weak maybe townread.

iamperfection is making sense, but the guy is smart enough to make sense when there is no pressure on him as either alignment.

DP is a little more wildcardy to me this game, I haven't always agreed with his takes.

TTS, JEalous, Hapa just need to be policied out.

I've not read or even noticed Rels at all which is a bad omen.

rayn is weird to me. I'm again getting the feeling that he's just posting a lot and saying very little, also I really, really don't like that he's not pressuring marv at all in the mason QT it seems.

Idk about CopCake, nothjin one way or the other.

MZ looks kinda bad, but it's very weak as I haven't really read him.

MZ bad but haven’t read him

On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote:
I'm finalizing here.

I like a bunch of mafia in:

rayn
jat
rels
mz
tts

then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy

vivax
trfel
hapa

then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve

iamp
marv
jealous
copcake
slam
ve

and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town

sandro
oats
dp
dmb
jls
koshi

None of the lists are in any particular order

I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever.

I’m in his mafia category

On March 09 2024 07:11 Palmar wrote:
Essentially it comes down to:

I really need to filter dive CopCake, DMB, MZ, Rels and JSL because there's like 3 mafia in there.

One is probably either Oats or Slam, unless we're just the unluckiest town in the world.

Also if Slam and Vivax are genuinely town and both claimed on day 1, we deserve to lose.

There's gonna be a hidden mafia there somewhere.

MZ in the Mafia but have to filter dive category

On March 09 2024 07:30 Palmar wrote:
MZ doesn't look great in our topic.

But to be fair, neither do I cause I don't talk to him.

More MZ not great

On March 10 2024 20:21 Palmar wrote:
There is 3 mafia in mz/rels/jat/iamp/ve

MZ again

On March 10 2024 20:56 Palmar wrote:
I actually think we should be lynching MZ as an alternative

Lynch MZ

On March 11 2024 19:22 Palmar wrote:

On March 11 2024 18:33 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Yeah like okay this is the world Cop DMB DP and I and VIvax are all town.

Lets even say VE is scum.

Who's the last two?

Lol this doesn't matter for now.

To put the game in perspective, we're basically in a normal 13 player game of town vs mafia. 10 town, 3 mafia.

But we have two VERY likely "blue checks" (you and DP). We also have like 200 pages of bullshit that can be parsed.

We're in a great position. We can mislynch 3 times and still be in the game. The current state of the game demands simple playing. We're not in lylo, we're not even close to lylo. We should not be tinfoiling for hidden mafia. We need to be killing the people who have stereotypical scum characteristics, and first and foremost amongst them is VE. He is not interested in the game, isn't helping to solve it, seems to not be enjoying playing etc.

Consider it a pseudo policy lynch, which is almost always a good idea in day 1 on a normal game.

I can't stress enough how important it's to just keep a happy disposition. We're in a stronger than expected position. There is no need to panic, just calmly keep analyzing the game.

The one weakness of the game is that very little information can be gained from the last 2 days because they have been semi-default lynches. Which is another reason why resolving VE is great for the state of the game. I'll happily reconsider if VE starts looking supertown.

Also to answer your question... MZ and JAT?

MZ with a big old question mark

On March 12 2024 00:54 Palmar wrote:
By the way I think CC should not be lynched and have a slight townread. I understand the waffling and self-doubt and giving up can be faked, but it still is more likely to come from town than scum.

I also think dmb sounds a lot more reasonable this game than last game.

For one reason or another, I'm not really considering the following people right now:

dp
jls
koshi
cc
dmb
vivax

Then there's like two people I just need to actually get off my ass and read

jealous
iamp
rels

and then there's the people I actively think could be mafia

jat
mz
ve

Remember, to me I'm really thinking about the game as a "day 1" situation where we have plenty of time and mislynches left. I am not really questioning weaker townreads and tinfoil theories at the moment, there is no need to.

Oh boy guess who’s scum again

On March 12 2024 23:39 Palmar wrote:
Still don't like MZ, but again, it's just preliminary filtering, not a full read.

I have been Palmar’s main scumread most of the game and he has done literally nothing about it. Every single time he calls me scum, he caveats his read so that while I’m his number one choice, he’s always got a reason why he’s not sure, maybe he just puts a question mark there or maybe it’s because he hasn’t read my filter, or maybe he needs to reread me. We're all busy but it's D3 and he's still using these excuses. He’s used every reason possible to not actually stand behind his scumread of me, push his scumread of me, or do anything but sheep along with whatever wagon that’s been convenient for the last 2 days. He is not actually serious about this read. It gets lost in the churn of the thread since he hasn’t been very active but it’s painfully clear when you read his filter. I think he keeps expecting to come back to the thread and for there to be a wagon on me that he can hop on and push but then have plausible deniability because he won't have been the primary push for me despite shading me the entire game.

I think Palmar is scum with Rels, tbd who their teammate is at the moment. I have a part 2 of this analysis which is going to look at the connections between those two but that’s gonna have to wait bc its way past my bedtime and I have work tomorrow.

Not on bad post on Palmar TBH
Kinda townie from MZ too, thinking about the game as a whole and thinking about Palmar and I being partner. If Palmar is town, that means that this analysis is thrown out the window as soon as one of us flips

After declaring Rels lock town this is giving me pause. Maybe he should not be in my town circle and Koshi can be a full member instead.

The point is, Rels knows I'm more likely to flip than him. So instead of commenting on the quality of the case, or refuting it, he simply goes for the "Well when Palmar is dead and flips town I'm cleared" approach.

It's a weird takeaway, considering that Rels personally thinks I'm mafia and has thought that the entire game. Yet the only option/outcome of MZs analysis he comments on is the reverse of what Rels actually thinks is going to happen. He seems not worried at all what it means if I flip mafia, which then in turn, according to MZ should implicate Rels.

On March 14 2024 19:19 Palmar wrote:
Someone vet my work, am I blowing this out of proportion? I

1: MZ makes a case on me and rels being mafia together

2: Rels says case is good, and if I flip town it has to be thrown out the window

Problem with 2 is Rels doesn't think I'm town, so why mention it, instead of pointing out why the case is wrong in associating us as mafia.
The solution to that is that Rels KNOWS I'm town and is using the opportunity to clear himself on my townflip.

If Rels is town and thinks I'm mafia, why isn't his primary concern to convince MZ that the association is wrong? Instead of just saying "good case, means I'm clear when palmar flips town".

I agree that addition is a bit weird. But why write that as mafia?

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