TL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden

Yes, but you see the song I linked has a (terrible) connection to the point I am attempting to convey. "Sports Song" is my favorite from Weird Al's recent songs, anyway.

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Do you normally miss jokes?

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Do not! Only that one time....

If you must know, I wrote my entrance post for this game after the Day post....

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Thanks for the confidence WaveofShadow, but she most definitely can read me...

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I don't even....

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Well now I'm feeling pretty stupid...

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This is really stupid, but I think this post actually gets him a town lean...

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Unless maybe there's some history between scott31337 and Holyflare, maybe Student Mafia 7 (I forget the number, could be off by one)?
It's pretty hard to miss Vivax's intention here...
Pointless post, but also seems to be serious....
Didn't even ask ruXxar what his reasons for his scumread are? I'm pretty sure that ruXxar hadn't explaind this at the time. This is the most suspicious of the bunch.

He scumread me (Trfel) without explaining his reasoning. He seemed to really want to lynch me (enough to repeat himself without prompting about it), but not enough to clearly state why, for people who hadn't read Student Mafia 11. Furthermore, his scumread on me was posted well after my opening post, and his vote was made even after that. This doesn't feel like a town mindset.

The first main push in the thread was Damdred's push on LightningStrike. RuXxar was one of the people who didn't say anything about the push. However, a few pages later, RuXxar seemed accepting of the push (asked LightningStrike what he was trying to say with his list of scott31337's games). He didn't mention LightningStrike again for a while, though. His interest in LightningStrike doesn't feel very high at all, which is strange, especially since he townread Damdred. If he didn't like the push, he should have said so; as it is, he gave himself room to jump on it later, while largely avoiding it.

His townread of Damdred and scott31337 seems to be for a trap, which made no sense whatsoever. Making a post that contains no relevant information or reads generally isn't a reason for someone to be town.

RuXxar switching his main scumread from me to Clarity_nl has several problems. First, it shows he wasn't really reading the game clearly, or he would have thought of this at the start, not only when someone mentioned something that had been said many times already. Second, why did he scumread and vote Clarity_nl and completely ignore Holyflare, while scumreading Clarity_nl for an association with Holyflare early on? His interest in Holyflare is nonexistant.

Then, instead of discussing his scumreads, he just says that everyone questioning or being suspicious of Clarity_nl is towny.

Yes, this is different from how he played last game (as mafia). But it's also very different from how he played as town. Having done well as scum last game, I can see him excited to play scum again (especially if it's with Holyflare again, as I suspect). And his early play is very, very hard to see from a town perspective, while the mafia motivation seems clear.

I must add, while in the early parts of the game, ruXxar seemed very focused on only one scumread at a time without actually pushing that scumread, he seems to branch out a bit more in the next few pages. But the delay feels suspicious, and despite his fairly large post count, it doesn't feel like he's paying much attention to the thread.

You know I've been extremely lazy. Remember Carol of the Bells, where I basically afk'd through Day 1, Night 1, and most of Day 2?

There were many, many worse games since then. Notable games are Down Under Mafia (both games), and Guardians of the Galaxy. Every single large game I've played in, I haven't been able to keep up at the start of the game. You'd think I would learn, but I haven't.

Also, I'm home from college, now. I only started playing mafia when I was in college. I've been spending time with my family and my friends here, and this makes my schedule a lot harder to fit mafia in to. Since I returned from college, I've only played two games. One as a smurf (and I smurfed for two reasons: one, to try a new playstyle, and two, to play at a lesser standard (primarily activity). I felt that playing as a smurf would be a sign that I wasn't able to play to my full abilities, but many people just said "why didn't you play on your main account?", so I did. The other game was a fairly low-posting newbie game, and I was mafia. I just posted late and didn't bother arguing or interacting as much, so it didn't take as much time. Plus, it was a low-posting mini game.

Then, I get into this large-game spamfest..... Anyway, I've talked to rsoultin about all of the above, so she can confirm it if necessary.

Furthermore, I've had some real life issues since the game began. They aren't huge issues, but emotionally and mentally I'm a very weak person. If you don't believe it, ask rsoultin, or look at my coaching QT from Newbie Mafia 61, where I made a million posts of whining and ranting to Artanis[Xp]. My emotional behavior in this game turned someone away from TL Mafia, something I'm still upset about.

I've been having some girl problems, problems interacting with my friends, and our family hosted a guest from Europe for the past few days. And I've been too far behind in the thread to want to try and catch up, especially with the lynches being seemingly set in stone, and me not having the thread knowledge/presence/mental strength to argue against them.

Background:

Oatsmaster mentioned that rsoultin's high usage of "xP" in this game suggests that she is mafia. KelsierSC analyzed several of rsoultin's games as both alignments and concluded that rsoultin uses "xP" more as mafia than as town, and her average in this game matched her town averages. However, he then analyzed only the first four pages of each game, and the "xP" count was not alignment indicative.


The post that started the conversation.It's a simple question, and it has a simple answer. However, as town, rsoultin doesn't care if she argues with people, doesn't care about looking good, tends to answer questions and discuss in a really round-about way, and really doesn't like dealing with people/reads she thinks are stupid. I know you're going to say that rsoultin does this as mafia too, just wait patiently...

What rsoultin is saying is fairly obvious, at this point. If someone is smart, and they say/do something that is clearly below their intelligence, then this is a reasonable sign that they are mafia. The problem is that there are many reasons that people can incorrectly read people in this way (applying the method incorrectly, such as incorrect assumptions about people's intelligence, misreading the questions, people simply thinking in different ways, other factors like being high/drunk/etc). But the core of the read is a sensible read. There is no town motivation for intentionally being stupid.

Swahili, as in that Harkon completely missed rsoultin's answer, as if it were in Swahili. Then rsoultin slightly expands on the same thing.


That's enough to convey the point. Rsoultin did answer the questions asked of her every single time, just in a very round-about way. And evidently Harkon and marvellosity didn't really understand the answers (or they could have gone straight to the important questions, such as why rsoultin expects more intelligence than this from KelsierSC, how she knows that there isn't some other explanation, why rsoultin isn't paying attention to the effort that KelsierSC used, etc.

As town, rsoultin seems to care more about answering questions in her own way and posting in her own way than playing such that other people can easily/clearly see what she is saying. We've talked about this a few times. In Assassination Mafia, this eventually caused her to make a few huge essay-style posts, clearly stating her reads in simple English.

Point being that rsoultin seemingly dodging questions and being unhelpful is an issue in communication, and doesn't make her scum. On the contrary, I think that as mafia, rsoultin would be more willing to be helpful and answer questions more clearly, and be less argumentative. Furthermore, there's an element of creativity to these answers that provides hints at the thought process that created her reads, which could be harder to replicate as scum.

In Hearthstone Mafia, Holyflare was given a separate QT with a town player, and told him he was mod confirmed town. The town player believed it and told all of town that Holyflare was mod confirmed. Holyflare proceeded to demolish town.

In one of the newbie games, Holyflare replaced in to the scum team. After most of the experienced players were dead, he said that he never replaced into slots that were mafia, and that he asked the host for the alignment of the spot he would replace into before he agreed to join.