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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 02 2015 00:48 GMT
#38
Hey, I play Protoss, that's insulting.....

I'm liking a Palmar lynch right now.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 02 2015 02:41 GMT
#52
On March 02 2015 11:06 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 10:59 Damdred wrote:
Because he said so silly goose.

I do think ritoky is town do far though


Lol, that's a different way to read Onegu's post xP May want to try again.

More seriously, I don't think I'd be trying to lynch any of the players right now :/ Maybe Truffle for lawlz. Yeah, Truffle for lawlz ^^
!!!

(whimpers on the floor, begging for mercy)

I agree with Damdred, Snickers feels most suspicious thus far.
On March 02 2015 09:27 Snickers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 07:35 KelsierSC wrote:
i'm surprised this thread is necessary

User was temp banned for this post.


Why are we not lynching kelsier.

Also ff knows about this.
Reasoning is because there is almost no town incentive to ask for a lynch on a player who is physically incapable of posting. Especially this early into Day 1. While I can see it as a joke, I'm a bit suspicious.

I don't think that Palmar's opening is much more likely to come from mafia than town, but he still deserves a small hill to climb for it. And I am a tad surprised at someone complaining about nonsense three posts into the thread, while I actually found ritoky's posting to be (only slightly) more useful than the nonsense posting in the earlier game.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 02 2015 03:03 GMT
#60
On March 02 2015 11:47 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 11:41 Trfel wrote:
On March 02 2015 11:06 rsoultin wrote:
On March 02 2015 10:59 Damdred wrote:
Because he said so silly goose.

I do think ritoky is town do far though


Lol, that's a different way to read Onegu's post xP May want to try again.

More seriously, I don't think I'd be trying to lynch any of the players right now :/ Maybe Truffle for lawlz. Yeah, Truffle for lawlz ^^
!!!

(whimpers on the floor, begging for mercy)

I agree with Damdred, Snickers feels most suspicious thus far.
On March 02 2015 09:27 Snickers wrote:
On March 02 2015 07:35 KelsierSC wrote:
i'm surprised this thread is necessary

User was temp banned for this post.


Why are we not lynching kelsier.

Also ff knows about this.
Reasoning is because there is almost no town incentive to ask for a lynch on a player who is physically incapable of posting. Especially this early into Day 1. While I can see it as a joke, I'm a bit suspicious.

I don't think that Palmar's opening is much more likely to come from mafia than town, but he still deserves a small hill to climb for it. And I am a tad surprised at someone complaining about nonsense three posts into the thread, while I actually found ritoky's posting to be (only slightly) more useful than the nonsense posting in the earlier game.


Firstly, I think the bolded is a double negative so I have no idea what you're trying to say; it seems to me like you think he is more town now?

If so, how did you get from here:

Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 09:48 Trfel wrote:
Hey, I play Protoss, that's insulting.....

I'm liking a Palmar lynch right now.


to where you are now with 0 posts from palmar in between?

Also, what the hell is a hill to climb?
I don't find his statements particularly alignment indicative? Probably slightly more likely to be scum than town, but not that significant.

I like a Palmar lynch right now not because I think he is scum, but because he deserves it. Hence the "hill to climb", ie forcing a little bit of effort to make up for giving him a pass for his scum claim. And it's fun to do.

But he'd probably burn me alive if I voted for him while not calling him scum, and I'm not really eager to get wagoned on Day 1 after my experience last game.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 03:27 GMT
#223
On March 03 2015 12:23 Snickers wrote:
How does a townie act like this...... I am confused. How does a scum act like this...
That's exactly what I'm wondering about you.

I'm about halfway through the thread, feel free to ask questions, I'll get through eventually.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 03:32 GMT
#228
On March 03 2015 12:31 Snickers wrote:
How about you give me an example answer that is an alignment tell because I am prty sure its a shitty question.

Omg snickers you are not anwsering every question thrown at you no matter the purpose or thought behind it.

Scum!
No, the question has a very good point behind it. Please answer it.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 03:37 GMT
#231
On March 03 2015 12:33 Snickers wrote:
How about stop trying to look townie by interjecting yourself.
I'm not trying to look townie. I'm asking a question because I want to know the answer. I could be scum and trying to look useful, that is a possibility.

But I want you to answer the question because I have reasons for asking, and the answer would be useful. I cannot explain this to you now, because that ruins the point of making you answer.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 03:43 GMT
#234
On March 03 2015 12:41 Snickers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 12:32 Trfel wrote:
On March 03 2015 12:31 Snickers wrote:
How about you give me an example answer that is an alignment tell because I am prty sure its a shitty question.

Omg snickers you are not anwsering every question thrown at you no matter the purpose or thought behind it.

Scum!
No, the question has a very good point behind it. Please answer it.


Why are you not saying what you just said a little bit ago.
What? I've made maybe three posts in the last while, and they have all had the same point of asking you to answer a simple question.

Since you aren't going to answer, fine, I'll back off. I'm just having a lot of trouble understanding your behavior.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 03:49 GMT
#238
On March 03 2015 12:44 Snickers wrote:
Like I am clueless how the hell people worry about that post lol.

So it doesnt tell me anything.

On March 02 2015 11:41 Trfel wrote:
I agree with Damdred, Snickers feels most suspicious thus far.
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 09:27 Snickers wrote:
On March 02 2015 07:35 KelsierSC wrote:
i'm surprised this thread is necessary

User was temp banned for this post.


Why are we not lynching kelsier.

Also ff knows about this.
Reasoning is because there is almost no town incentive to ask for a lynch on a player who is physically incapable of posting. Especially this early into Day 1. While I can see it as a joke, I'm a bit suspicious.
Mafia wants to survive, town doesn't. While town sometimes needs to lynch inactives, it's just a guess at whether or not they are scum. Especially at the start of the day, pushing for a lynch on a banned player is one of the very worst things for town, as you can't even pressure them back into the thread. The mafia motivation for doing so is to survive (presuming that the banned player is in fact town) and to appear to do something, and this is much more convincing than the town motivation.

You said it wasn't a joke. Do you have any explanation for this?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 03:55 GMT
#241
On March 03 2015 12:52 Snickers wrote:
Yea but I have to break a minor rule to explain myself. (if you are catching my drift)

And I am prty sure town wants to survive too.

But why are people wasting posts on this lol.

I have said several insights that everyone ignores.
Surviving by pushing a mislynch isn't surviving. That just pushes town closer to losing the game.

I have been far busier than I expected, which means that I have a very large number of posts still to use. If you would like to stop talking about this, I understand. I won't press you any further.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 04:13 GMT
#252
Does anyone have some descriptions of Snickers' meta?

And I don't really feel like looking through past games to find it, maybe I'll do that tomorrow, but not today.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 04:22 GMT
#257
On March 03 2015 13:20 Snickers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 13:13 Trfel wrote:
Does anyone have some descriptions of Snickers' meta?

And I don't really feel like looking through past games to find it, maybe I'll do that tomorrow, but not today.


Lol I posted my meta in the fucking thread but it seems like people dont feel like reading.
And I'm supposed to trust what you say about your own meta?

My meta is that I'm town, every game. That means I'm town this game. I always tell the truth, because I'm always town, so that means I'm town.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 04:25 GMT
#260
On March 03 2015 13:23 Snickers wrote:
I posted the only game I have ever been scum. Dont be silly.

But I will tell you something I dont do as either alignment.

Shit up the thread and assume a ton of shit.

Who is doing that this game?
I'm going to ignore you for a while, I can't stand you at all.

I don't know if this is scum or bad play, but it's very frustrating.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 04:53 GMT
#264
On March 03 2015 05:03 Snickers wrote:
Rsoultin is town
Can you please explain this post?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 05:15 GMT
#270
Time for a terrible list post! (and no, these are not all of my reads/thoughts, there is some reasoning behind what I choose to share)

I'm actually leaning town on Palmar. It's hard for me to explain why, but in addition to providing some (extremely interesting) dialogue, he also provided some reasonable reads. At any rate, I don't want to lynch Palmar today.

Rsoultin is probably town. I find it a bit suspicious how she dismissed her initial post on Palmar (which to me seemed to be a light scum read), and how she complained multiple times about the thread being nonsense (while I found it much more readable than last game, though since then it has gotten worse). Still, her filter seems townie overall.

Prphlz has been rather defensive of his own play, and seems to be focusing more on explaining why he isn't doing much than finding scum. Looks suspicious to me.

I agree that Alakaslam's filter is boring, and that that is probably a reasonable way to read him. However, I am a bit concerned that it is too early in the game to read him in this way? Still, he isn't a bad lynch.

Then we have Snickers. Most of his posts are useless spam, many of his posts convey motives that are bad for town. The hypocrisy, lack of original reads/reasoning, and he keeps promising reads/insights but not providing them. And he has shown several times that he isn't reading the thread very carefully. I don't like it at all, and currently I feel that Snickers is the best lynch.

Of course, the other thing that must be mentioned about Snickers is that Robik says he is a power role. I don't understand this at all. But Snickers looks scummy, and I want to lynch him. Additional explanations will follow.

##vote Snickers

Is that enough of an apology?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 05:24 GMT
#273
On March 03 2015 14:19 rsoultin wrote:
TRUFFLE

VOTE SLAM WITH ME IF YOU'RE TOWN

if not, please carry on and be dumb xP snickers obviously isn't the best lynch today
Why are you so confident that Alakaslam is scum? I still am not sure if he has had enough time to allow us to read him by amount of original direction.

If I recall correctly, you weren't convinced that Alakaslam was scum last game, despite a somewhat similar lack of original direction to what he has shown in this game. Why the scumread this game and not so much last game, while this game is not as far along?

I agree that Alakaslam looks rather suspicious, and I wouldn't mind lynching him, but I feel that there is a better lynch out there.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 05:33 GMT
#276
On March 03 2015 14:29 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 14:24 Trfel wrote:
On March 03 2015 14:19 rsoultin wrote:
TRUFFLE

VOTE SLAM WITH ME IF YOU'RE TOWN

if not, please carry on and be dumb xP snickers obviously isn't the best lynch today
Why are you so confident that Alakaslam is scum? I still am not sure if he has had enough time to allow us to read him by amount of original direction.

If I recall correctly, you weren't convinced that Alakaslam was scum last game, despite a somewhat similar lack of original direction to what he has shown in this game. Why the scumread this game and not so much last game, while this game is not as far along?

I agree that Alakaslam looks rather suspicious, and I wouldn't mind lynching him, but I feel that there is a better lynch out there.


Last game was my first true encounter with a scum Slam. He was scum in my first game on TL, but AFK'd due to IRL reasons after just a few posts...

I am 100% positive that he's had enough time to be original and 100% positive that the poisonous way this game started out is precisely the environment he'd feel the need to be original in. This game more mirrors last game than my town games with him. And frankly, most of the other lynches being pushed are people I don't know how to read yet, cause let's face it...some people just read scummy.
It just feels like really dangerous meta to me. I get the impression that Alakaslam's play varies based on available time, is this correct? (sort of like how Palmar plays sometimes, and at other times does absolutely nothing) If my impression is correct, you can understand how I'm not so eager to lynch Alakaslam right now. And a thread of unreadable mess feels like that would make Alakaslam less likely to post and care about it?

In addition, I don't see how I can be convinced that Alakaslam is mafia like you are, it seems to require more knowledge of his meta than I have available. And again, with a player like Alakaslam with such varying play, it feels like the meta would be more unreliable.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 05:53 GMT
#280
Snickers

Snickers' reads seem to be made without original thought
On March 02 2015 09:27 Snickers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 07:35 KelsierSC wrote:
i'm surprised this thread is necessary

User was temp banned for this post.


Why are we not lynching kelsier.

Also ff knows about this.
A policy lynch of the worst kind. It's not a pressure lynch in the slightest (at the time there was no replacement), it's right at the start of Day 1, and it avoids making any kind of actual read. Mafia wants to sit back and lynch inactives without providing actual reads, town wants to solve the game. Snickers also stood by this read (after the replacement), while continuously refusing to explain why he made this statement in the first place.
On March 03 2015 05:59 Snickers wrote:
Town:
Robik
Rsoultin
Superbia
Slam
Ritoky

Post More:
Onegu
Oats

Scum:
Snickers
Damdred
prplhz
Trefel

Palmar:
Palmar

MM: Lynch him

Snickers<chupazi<reason
This list post provides no explanation at all. His reads seem to scumread those who scumread him, townread those with larger thread presences, and mirror other players' reads. He has a "Post more" category, but people with terribly few posts (such as myself and Superbia) weren't in it. I don't get the impression that Snickers is providing original thought. I also note that he requests a full filter review from Damdred while not providing any explanation for his own reads. Hm.
On March 03 2015 08:20 Snickers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 08:16 Damdred wrote:
Meat is a category all of himself, the total mislynch category even as mafia. Its troubling and rough but it is what it is.

I think I agree though, prp, slam, trfel and snickers would be my top lynches for today.


There is a lot wrong with this post.
On March 03 2015 08:31 Snickers wrote:
I was talking about the second part
These posts show that Snickers just scumreads everyone who is suspicious of him. There is no explanation or thought to these comments.
Snickers seems to be drawing attention to himself to compensate for not providing reads, and is concerned about how towny he appears

On March 02 2015 12:48 Snickers wrote:
I am being ignored.
Snickers said this after only providing the comment about lynching KelsierSC. He tried to draw attention to himself, as if his attempt to policy lynch an inactive was any more than that. I find it ironic that since then, when people have talked about this push, he has refused to answer the questions.
On March 03 2015 12:12 Snickers wrote:
umm if you guys want a well deserved break/laugh from this intense scum hunting by all of us except three.

Look at purple's filter and find what is really off with it.
Because Snickers has been providing so much intense scum hunting.

Snickers has also accused people of not reading the thread multiple times, and his argument with prphlz and me feels somewhat condescending. I get the impression that Snickers is trying to make himself seem superior to us and look better than us, while there is no town motivation to do so.
On March 03 2015 14:03 Snickers wrote:
On March 03 2015 04:57 Snickers wrote:
Resoltin make a list of every player, reads, and who you would lynch


Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 05:00 rsoultin wrote:
On March 03 2015 04:57 Alakaslam wrote:
On March 03 2015 04:53 rsoultin wrote:
you my friend are very uninteresting this game and voting a townread of mine. you should be thriving in the nonsense poison it's a gut read but I'm fine with it

And how do you townread Ritoky

He is SCUMREAD of palmar

Palmar is practicing greater CHUPAZI this game than ever before CHUPAZI had been done


One of the only players playing the game, and I can follow his line of thinking. If I wanted CHUPAZI I'd channel blazinghand and just RNG a lynch.

On March 03 2015 04:57 Snickers wrote:
Resoltin make a list of every player, reads, and who you would lynch


You first, useless. I've been giving reads and thoughts all game.



Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 12:52 Snickers wrote:
Yea but I have to break a minor rule to explain myself. (if you are catching my drift)

And I am prty sure town wants to survive too.

But why are people wasting posts on this lol.

I have said several insights that everyone ignores.


Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 13:10 Snickers wrote:
since you cant tell what is bold or not

bold starts two lines down

He also does that mafia thing (which ritoky is so keen to point out usually) or just responding to peoples' questions line for line, question after question as if it's a homework assignment.


bold ended two lines ups

And that is weird to bring up your not getting lynched.


Scum answer questions all the time.

Rsoultin tells me to take a hike which is the right townie response.

I wasnt answer your question cause

a.its shit

b.towns dont answer every question

So you guys can leave me alone now right.

And stop pesting me.

Calling me bm and shit.

I showed you proof.

And I answered the question lol after you guys shit a brick over it lol.

Step yo game up.
So, Snickers isn't going to answer questions because that's a scum thing to do, and townies don't answer questions. Not for any reason other than trying to look townie.

In conclusion, I feel that while much of Snickers' filter is not alignment indicative, he has avoided providing reads while doing his best to make it seem like he has. As a result, I find him very suspicious.

Any thoughts are appreciated.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 17:56 GMT
#288
No one supports me in my push on Snickers, but no one is saying why it is bad.

Palmar left an unexplained vote on prphlz which never made it to the voting thread, but says he will policy vote all unexplained votes. Or is the reason that prphlz placed an unexplained vote earlier in the game?

I don't understand this game at all.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 18:20 GMT
#293
On March 04 2015 03:14 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2015 02:56 Trfel wrote:
No one supports me in my push on Snickers, but no one is saying why it is bad.

Palmar left an unexplained vote on prphlz which never made it to the voting thread, but says he will policy vote all unexplained votes. Or is the reason that prphlz placed an unexplained vote earlier in the game?

I don't understand this game at all.

SNICKERS IS A FUCKING POWER ROLE. ARE YOU DONE?
I'm not done, because I see no reason whatsoever to believe this.

If it's something he breadcrumbed, I still don't see why that is a good reason to not lynch him. Scum can breadcrumb a role too, it's not a commitment of any strength.
On March 04 2015 02:59 rsoultin wrote:
Your push on Snickers just isn't alignment indicative, Truffle. I can go point-by-point if you like but nothing I saw there makes Snickers scum. Refusing to answer a question, for instance. I tunneled on bats for being a contrary boob (and a couple other more valid reasons but lol still wrong) in my first game here. It doesn't make someone scum.
I think that Snickers is scum for reasons that are alignment indicative. Not answering a question is not alignment indicative. However, suggesting to lynch someone only because they are banned is. Constantly drawing attention to himself while not scumhunting is alignment indicative. Not answering a question because that is apparently a townie thing to do is alignment indicative.

Side note, it's not my birthday, I just chose my TL birthday randomly. Thanks for the birthday wishes anyway, though.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 18:26 GMT
#295
If it's so obvious that everyone knows, then the mafia knows already. Can someone please clue me in or explain why that is a bad idea?

I see a player who is providing minimal reads and is acting very scummy. And I'm supposed to ignore this player indefinitely because someone else said so, whose alignment is by no means confirmed.
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