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On June 03 2015 06:24 Tictock wrote:
@ ritoky
Ok, I'll bite
##Vote ritoky
For spamming graphics and one liners. Not even trying to push people yet, such scum.
The last game he did this was in MMM2 and he was the RB and got lynched day 3. Damdred won the game for scum.
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I like Kickstart's post so far, slight town read
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On June 03 2015 06:51 Damdred wrote:
So ritoky shouldn't be lynched today at all. I have a pretty strong town read on him currently so remove your votes.
I'll revisit him during the night to,make sure but let us look for mafia elsewhere
I know how you don't like to give away your "magic secret meta tricks" but can you elaborate a little more on this? I just showed the MMM2 game you were scummates and he showed his XXX town game. What's the difference you see?
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There is a voting thread, your vote actually does not count, BTW.
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I'm back now -
On June 03 2015 17:49 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey guys I'm back online.
I have to admit, I'm a little blown away by how much back and forth there was. I guess there's no other way to do forum mafia, but still, it's tough. I sort of feel like I should print out all of your names on a big A3 page and then draw lines between each of you representing defences and accusations. In fact, if anyone has the time to do that, I think it would be helpful (especially later in the game, when nobody can be bothered to go through a bazillion pages of text).
My only reads, and I admit they are very weak, are on Kickstarter and Viscera. I thought that both have taken a somewhat 'holier-than-thou' tone in their posts. Kickstarter started off with a very lecture-y post which felt to me like an attempt to stake out his town credentials before the mud began to fly. Then again, maybe that's just how he is as town, I dunno. Viscera has similarly been very confident in his/her posts, which is suspicious to me because I'm just not sure about anything at this point.
I do not like this post. It really does not say much and have any conclusions - although he shares the same ideas with VE as I do -
On June 04 2015 01:42 Fidei86 wrote:
VE - in particular, I agree with his read on scott and GG, and also on KS. I also think he has a point about the way you entered the thread (and this is something I've said before as well). None of that is to say that I have a strong read on him either way, I just don't agree that anything he has said or done obviously makes him mafia.
I'm going to keep an eye on him for now.
Damdred never did reply to my meta question and has magic meta townreads, but we wait until Day 2 unless something comes up.
VE is noting Chocolate is trying to get a easy ML on me, I like where he's going with this - and I don't think it's a VE pocket, although I've seen him play like that either way.
From how Milo defended himself I believe he is town. I still like Kickstart although the thread consensus seems to be the opposite.
I'll reread a few pages of the thread I was pretty blitzed last night when I did so.
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On June 04 2015 04:16 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 04:11 scott31337 wrote:I'm back now - On June 03 2015 17:49 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey guys I'm back online.
I have to admit, I'm a little blown away by how much back and forth there was. I guess there's no other way to do forum mafia, but still, it's tough. I sort of feel like I should print out all of your names on a big A3 page and then draw lines between each of you representing defences and accusations. In fact, if anyone has the time to do that, I think it would be helpful (especially later in the game, when nobody can be bothered to go through a bazillion pages of text).
My only reads, and I admit they are very weak, are on Kickstarter and Viscera. I thought that both have taken a somewhat 'holier-than-thou' tone in their posts. Kickstarter started off with a very lecture-y post which felt to me like an attempt to stake out his town credentials before the mud began to fly. Then again, maybe that's just how he is as town, I dunno. Viscera has similarly been very confident in his/her posts, which is suspicious to me because I'm just not sure about anything at this point. I do not like this post. It really does not say much and have any conclusions - although he shares the same ideas with VE as I do - On June 04 2015 01:42 Fidei86 wrote:
VE - in particular, I agree with his read on scott and GG, and also on KS. I also think he has a point about the way you entered the thread (and this is something I've said before as well). None of that is to say that I have a strong read on him either way, I just don't agree that anything he has said or done obviously makes him mafia. I'm going to keep an eye on him for now. Damdred never did reply to my meta question and has magic meta townreads, but we wait until Day 2 unless something comes up. VE is noting Chocolate is trying to get a easy ML on me, I like where he's going with this - and I don't think it's a VE pocket, although I've seen him play like that either way. From how Milo defended himself I believe he is town. I still like Kickstart although the thread consensus seems to be the opposite. I'll reread a few pages of the thread I was pretty blitzed last night when I did so. do you have any scum reads? all i got from this was you think milo is town and kickstart is town. i will take more of any kind of reads, but more interested in your scum reads.
GGTemplar and Chocolate would be at the top of my scum list. I could sheep Kickstart's case on GG, It brings up fairly good points. I was awaiting a response before I voted, and we got another whole day as well.
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On June 04 2015 04:24 Damdred wrote:
Also I kinda don't want to lynch Scott I was setting a trap for him by not answering his question and sre if he was going tonbring it up.
A most cunning plan foiled by someone who cares if he's answered.
Battraps(tm) 
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On June 03 2015 09:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 06:05 sicklucker wrote:
##Vote Tictock I feel morally ok policy voting in non newbie games untill he proves hes town My gut tells me the specific diction you chose with regards to being 'morally' okay with it inclines me to believe you are townie. Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 06:17 Tictock wrote:
In regards to kicks question.
I am pretty new to TL forums. Have played in 2 of the newbie games (the 2 most recent ones, including the ongoing one).
I see a few familiar names, but most of you I don't know... and am HIGHLY suspicious of...
And of course I know SL, who I may have to ignore. I apologize in advance if I start tunneling him, I have a tendency to do that. I think your intentional emphasis on the fact that you are 'HIGHLY' suspicious of people is scum-indicative. You are making sure we all know you are 'suspicious' of people, aka have imperfect information aka are town. A very roundabout and subtle way to go about telling people you are town. I think this is an excellent policy vote. ##Vote Tictock
He never actually voted in the voting thread, but this looks like a Chezinu rule vote to me - A misguided understanding of a fairly new guy - when town would be afraid to vote so early but scum wants to start a easy ML.
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On June 04 2015 04:34 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 04:27 scott31337 wrote:On June 04 2015 04:16 ritoky wrote:On June 04 2015 04:11 scott31337 wrote:I'm back now - On June 03 2015 17:49 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey guys I'm back online.
I have to admit, I'm a little blown away by how much back and forth there was. I guess there's no other way to do forum mafia, but still, it's tough. I sort of feel like I should print out all of your names on a big A3 page and then draw lines between each of you representing defences and accusations. In fact, if anyone has the time to do that, I think it would be helpful (especially later in the game, when nobody can be bothered to go through a bazillion pages of text).
My only reads, and I admit they are very weak, are on Kickstarter and Viscera. I thought that both have taken a somewhat 'holier-than-thou' tone in their posts. Kickstarter started off with a very lecture-y post which felt to me like an attempt to stake out his town credentials before the mud began to fly. Then again, maybe that's just how he is as town, I dunno. Viscera has similarly been very confident in his/her posts, which is suspicious to me because I'm just not sure about anything at this point. I do not like this post. It really does not say much and have any conclusions - although he shares the same ideas with VE as I do - On June 04 2015 01:42 Fidei86 wrote:
VE - in particular, I agree with his read on scott and GG, and also on KS. I also think he has a point about the way you entered the thread (and this is something I've said before as well). None of that is to say that I have a strong read on him either way, I just don't agree that anything he has said or done obviously makes him mafia. I'm going to keep an eye on him for now. Damdred never did reply to my meta question and has magic meta townreads, but we wait until Day 2 unless something comes up. VE is noting Chocolate is trying to get a easy ML on me, I like where he's going with this - and I don't think it's a VE pocket, although I've seen him play like that either way. From how Milo defended himself I believe he is town. I still like Kickstart although the thread consensus seems to be the opposite. I'll reread a few pages of the thread I was pretty blitzed last night when I did so. do you have any scum reads? all i got from this was you think milo is town and kickstart is town. i will take more of any kind of reads, but more interested in your scum reads. GGTemplar and Chocolate would be at the top of my scum list. I could sheep Kickstart's case on GG, It brings up fairly good points. I was awaiting a response before I voted, and we got another whole day as well. When I played with you in that student thing I remember you asking a whole lot more questions as town. Why are you much less inquisitive this game?
I have friends from out of state with me right now and they leave later today so I'm not spending a whole lot of time on the game at the moment. I'll pick it up later today/tomorrow,
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On June 04 2015 09:39 Tictock wrote:Ok, took me longer to get back to this game than I thought thanks to a rough day at work, bit disappointing that there has only been ~4 new pages in the thread though, activity seemed better right at the start. Couple of things that I wanted to respond to right away, before I reread the thread and start putting together more solid reads for EoD. Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 00:35 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 03 2015 16:19 Tictock wrote:
Was just checking in before bed, game has been somewhat dead past few hours, so I'll just leave a few of my thoughts.
GG is my top scum right now. No questions. Was expecting him to at least react to my response or something...
I'm unsure of Damdred, though he's earning town points in my book for reacting the same way I did to GG.
I'd really like to hear from Onegu and def need to see more out of Scott. I hate to say it but scott could be scum atm. I've seen him lynched D1 twice now, when he was town he was active until he got tunneled and when he was scum he posted very much like he's doing this game. Quick little reads and short response posts. Also half his posts atm are just stating facts, nothing game relevant.
Milo does look kinda scummy but I'm not sure yet, I'd like to see more out of him. Right now I cant tell if he is actually scum or if he just looks out of place because he isn't used to this style of mafia. His frustration over being insta-scummed by several people is understandable, especially being new here. Could you restate your response please? GG, dude, it's D1 and your already asking me to repost/restate stuff I've said? It's not a long thread to read yet, and my filter is def not that long... Besides, shouldn't you be paying attn to my posts more than anyone's if your scum reading me? Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 04:45 scott31337 wrote:On June 03 2015 09:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 03 2015 06:05 sicklucker wrote:
##Vote Tictock I feel morally ok policy voting in non newbie games untill he proves hes town My gut tells me the specific diction you chose with regards to being 'morally' okay with it inclines me to believe you are townie. On June 03 2015 06:17 Tictock wrote:
In regards to kicks question.
I am pretty new to TL forums. Have played in 2 of the newbie games (the 2 most recent ones, including the ongoing one).
I see a few familiar names, but most of you I don't know... and am HIGHLY suspicious of...
And of course I know SL, who I may have to ignore. I apologize in advance if I start tunneling him, I have a tendency to do that. I think your intentional emphasis on the fact that you are 'HIGHLY' suspicious of people is scum-indicative. You are making sure we all know you are 'suspicious' of people, aka have imperfect information aka are town. A very roundabout and subtle way to go about telling people you are town. I think this is an excellent policy vote. ##Vote Tictock He never actually voted in the voting thread, but this looks like a Chezinu rule vote to me - A misguided understanding of a fairly new guy - when town would be afraid to vote so early but scum wants to start a easy ML. @Scott, I'm not familiar with the bolded term, mind elaborating? I agree that this completely looks like a scum play to me. He's mimiking a vote already on me, his reasons for voting me aren't bad per say but they are far from solid. GG dropped into the game and just made that read without trying to interact with me and ignored my response to him + Show Spoiler +and I have to assume any of my other posts, I'm active enough that you should be able to expand on that read on me by now . I know I've been guilty of doing the former, but I've always been on the lookout for responses from people I'm putting pressure one. GG is not even bothering to look for my responses to him, and acting like I still need prove something to him. I def feel like I'm being slow pushed here for no reason, total scum move. ##Vote: GGTeMpLaR
The Chezinu Rule has always been true in teamliquid. I've used this rule many times and it has never failed me. Of course, this is my first time playing forum mafia outside of teamliquid. I'm quite renowned there and I expected to be taken strange here with my unique play style. If you are town, please read up on the Chezinu Rule on teamliquid.
What is the rule?
The rule is that the first person who doesn't know Chezinu to vote Chezinu is mafia.
Why the rule works?
I have a very unique playing style that I can't help. I tried many times over the years to play like everyone else, but it just fails. So what happens is in the beginning of each game with new players, they find me strange. Since they can't read me, they accuse me. But MAFIA has always been the first to accuse as a townie wouldn't have as much confidence. To mafia, I am an easy target.
It was not exactly the Chezinu rule, but on the same idea. A confusing/cryptic town Chezinu is voted as an easy target. I see GG's vote on a easy target and the first one.
On June 04 2015 10:57 Kickstart wrote:
Took a nap cause I was feeling like shit and moody, probably came through in my posting. Lots of people have taken issue with my Nydus town read. I just want to say again that it was hastily done and I just said it off the top of my head because people were pressuring me to give more town reads (which again I don't find fair since I gave them, but people are greedy and wanted more and I reacted badly). It can be ignored and I have tried to explain why it happened, I will have to reevaluate him later but like I said I would probably not lynch him at the moment.
I saw you as a slight town read when most of the people are reading you scummy, but I did not need to defend myself for it. I was seeing you in a different point of view then others (you've brought up some good points, do not seem to be afraid to post, etc.) This post seems pressured to me though.
On June 04 2015 11:23 Kickstart wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 11:17 Chocolate wrote:On June 04 2015 10:57 Kickstart wrote:
Took a nap cause I was feeling like shit and moody, probably came through in my posting. Lots of people have taken issue with my Nydus town read. I just want to say again that it was hastily done and I just said it off the top of my head because people were pressuring me to give more town reads (which again I don't find fair since I gave them, but people are greedy and wanted more and I reacted badly). It can be ignored and I have tried to explain why it happened, I will have to reevaluate him later but like I said I would probably not lynch him at the moment. this post is scummy as hell and just screams to me that you're just trying to survive If that is what you think then fine, I messed up and admitted it and can't change it now. I did retract it almost immediately though. You sure you not just looking for something to jump on? I'm far from just trying to survive. Can't help but feel you and others have this convenient manufactured surprise and outrage at me.
Well you already got called out on it.
How do you feel about Chocolate? I wasn't liking him too much until he also saw how bad this post was.
On June 04 2015 11:58 Chocolate wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 11:32 Tictock wrote:Ok last thing I was wanting to reread and look at for now. This whole VE, Chocolate, and Milo thing. VE struck me as town pretty easily, prob something I need to recheck but I'm prob going to go with it today. Not sure I like how tunneled he seems to be. He made one post which looked like he was willing to drop it, but now he seems to be right back on Chocolate like he's peanut butter or something... + Show Spoiler +Sorry, that was weak. I'll stop trying to be funny... As for choclate himself, he''s kinda just OMGUS right back at VE. Milo isn't going this route, but he is clearly frustrated by the whole thing... My personal opinion is that that all 3 are probably town here and are just over reacting to a rather stupid "he's afk" comment. I don't expect anything fruitful to come from this interaction. This post in Chocolate's filter caught my eye though... On June 03 2015 10:41 Chocolate wrote:
I don't play forum mafia very much but I don't like the idea of having town reads. To me that seems somewhat counter-productive since at this point any player could be town. It's easy for a scum player to post in a "town-friendly" way (which is I think a reiteration of the "tryhard" vibe). I believe it would be much more productive for people to look for scum reads than to try to identify people as town
@ VE do you have any opinions about people other than me and milo At first that sounds reasonable, but then I have to stop and think. Isn't it just as easy, or beneficial, for Mafia to be putting a lot of scum onto people? Also for someone who is putting alot of emphasis on scum reads being important I can't help but look at his list of people he'd like to lynch. On June 03 2015 23:30 Chocolate wrote:
Scott
VE
Onegu
GG
I would pick Scott as my #1 2 people who were not very present in the game, VE, and GG. I can't find a read on GG from Choco in his filter at all, so really VE is his only real read here. That doesn't seem like very decent scum reads to me from a guy who is stressing their importance. @ Choco I see your more active atm. Care to update us on your scum reads? VE for previously stated reasons, it isn't purely an OMGUS though of course that is probably it to a large extent KS I'm beginning to think is a bit fishier but it's a small hunch I have a very hard time reading damdred , you, and ritoky. Admittedly I kinda have a hard time reading the newer players too (because I subconsciously associate posts with icons lol) but tomorrow I'm going to go through them all again Onegu has pretty much been a shitposter so far which I don't like and don't think is good for town As for not liking town reads, for me it's because anyone I don't think is scum I am leaning towards null or town on (in which case I wouldn't want to lynch them). It can also restrict thinking - we need to, and do, change who we think may be scum somewhat frequently. With town, since calling a given poster town is usually held to less scrutiny, we can let that label linger and it can affect our reads [to everyone] Don't be offended if I call you or something you did scummy especially on the first day. There's very little to work on and since I don't think calling people town is productive I don't make a lot of friends
I see this as Onegu's town game. He tries much harder as mafia and likes rolling mafia - but we can agree to disagree for now. He'll show some more when he feels the need.
GG still has not impressed me.
SL may sincerely be unmotivated due to the other game, but he really needs to kick it up.
Chocolate had the same idea as me while I was reading the thread, which I like. He moves up a little now.
I like Damdred, Ritoky, VE
Onegu is a meta read slight town
Would lynch
GG
Fidei86
##Vote: GGTemplar
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What do you like about GG I may have missed Ritoky?
I'll re-read his filter.
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On June 04 2015 00:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Town:
Nydus
sicklucker
Milo89
Fideu86
Mafia:
Kickstark
Tictock
I can understand a Nydus town read, but SL? Do you see SL as townie? I see a null at the moment and unsure how to pull a townie read from SL's filter.
He cannot even get Milo's or Fidei86's name spelled right. Fail on one maybe, but two? You have townreads and haven't read enough to get their name right? I can understand a "Palmar/Palmer" thing, you know what I mean? Just seems weird to me.
I've explained how I feel on Kickstart (another misname) already
Does any of this strike you as suspicious or am I over-reading things? Like he's throwing a shit list out and going poof?
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Who would you be willing to lynch beyond GG, Kickstart?
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On June 03 2015 08:35 Chocolate wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 08:33 ritoky wrote:On June 03 2015 08:32 Chocolate wrote:On June 03 2015 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 03 2015 08:04 Chocolate wrote:On June 03 2015 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:Hi guys! I've read most of the game so far and I don't like most of the reasons people are tossing around for calling others mafia. I don't think it makes the people giving them mafia though, so I'm not gonna name any names. Suffice to say: before you post that something makes someone else mafia, consider if they'd do it as town before you get your tunnel on. This has been a public service announcement by VisceraEyes. So far the person that sticks out the most to me is Chocolate. On June 03 2015 06:08 Chocolate wrote:
I just wanted to vote you because your opening post was weirdly cheery
I don't know who you are either lol
As for kickstart's post, I also played some games in 2012/2013 I believe. I'll go back and see if I played with any of you people Aside from a vote, this is his only post in the game. Does "weirdly cheery" make ticktock mafia? Without context, this post just looks like he's trying to be seen in the thread, which is consistent with mafia trying to hide in plain sight. Why does a townie Chocolate even make this post? Further, in his vote post he wants tick to "1v1 me mate"....which if the lynch is boiled down to Chocolate/ticktock then I'm lynching Chocolate 100 times out of 100 based on what's in the thread right now....if he's town and wants ticktock to interact with him, then why does he disappear? m8 I had to go eat dinner and wanted to stir up some discussion with what little was present in the thread Reading the rest of the thread now This is fine, and I'm in no position to dispute it's validity - but I will say that you SAID you were going to check something out, not that you were grabbing dinner. DID you go check to see if you'd played with anyone else? Yeah I just checked, didn't find anything. I have one mafia and one town game from the very early newbie mini mafia days Also if you're going to get on me for not being on all the time, you're going to have a bad time. I'm going to try to post as much as possible when I'm able but it's unreasonable to expect me to drop other things I'm doing (I'm on vacation atm) for a forum mafia game On June 03 2015 08:06 ritoky wrote:On June 03 2015 08:04 Chocolate wrote:On June 03 2015 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:Hi guys! I've read most of the game so far and I don't like most of the reasons people are tossing around for calling others mafia. I don't think it makes the people giving them mafia though, so I'm not gonna name any names. Suffice to say: before you post that something makes someone else mafia, consider if they'd do it as town before you get your tunnel on. This has been a public service announcement by VisceraEyes. So far the person that sticks out the most to me is Chocolate. On June 03 2015 06:08 Chocolate wrote:
I just wanted to vote you because your opening post was weirdly cheery
I don't know who you are either lol
As for kickstart's post, I also played some games in 2012/2013 I believe. I'll go back and see if I played with any of you people Aside from a vote, this is his only post in the game. Does "weirdly cheery" make ticktock mafia? Without context, this post just looks like he's trying to be seen in the thread, which is consistent with mafia trying to hide in plain sight. Why does a townie Chocolate even make this post? Further, in his vote post he wants tick to "1v1 me mate"....which if the lynch is boiled down to Chocolate/ticktock then I'm lynching Chocolate 100 times out of 100 based on what's in the thread right now....if he's town and wants ticktock to interact with him, then why does he disappear? m8 I had to go eat dinner and wanted to stir up some discussion with what little was present in the thread Reading the rest of the thread now what discussion were you hoping to stir with that comment? anything really, I stand by my initial gut feeling that trying to seem overly "town-friendly" without adding content is scummy. Obviously I had very little to work with though. I don't really have a strong read either way on him either way atm Right now I'd say Kickstart stands out to me as suspicious. Same with scott though obviously with much less to base it on. I don't like how VE is tunneling me but I don't think it's an inherently scum thing to do What specifically about scott's play thus far has made him suspicious to you? Just him siding with kickstarter. his posts don't reveal much at all so far. however, I think due to the low content and neutrality of his posts that he may be playing the lurker role which tends to be one that scum takes
Just re-reading filters and caught on to this post.
Where the hell did I side with Sicklucker? I haven't even mentioned his name before this post.
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On June 03 2015 06:18 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 06:08 Kickstart wrote:
It seems some of you already know each other well, at least I gather that from the Tictock banter. Anyone care to give me some background? Who has played with each other before, who is good, why are there 2 votes immediatly on TT? Dandred is a good town. Ritoky might be a good mafia thats about it. onegu me and ve are regulars. Scott and tictock are two new players in there first non newbie game. Was in two games with each second is ongoing so I cant really talk about it. In the first one tictock tunneled the hell out of me when I had solved the game and it was hella annoying. A bunch of video mafia players I believe. I know milo/templar are maybe you?
SL mentions me but I never spoke of him.
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Oops kickstarter, not SL. my bad forget all that.
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