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On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote: I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. Is this a dumbtell and didn't read the OP? Did he read boxerfred's last game and took all his ideas (Ie I'll act like I'm so newb everybody will just read me over for a few days) On June 13 2015 00:58 MoosyDoosy wrote: What I want to do is find out why geript stopped posting after WaveofShadow had a scumread on him. @batsnacks, I mean, I'm pretty sure I made it clear I was a town but sure, go ahead and waste your vote. I sure am not seeing this "I made it clear". "Go ahead and waste your vote" is a very interesting way to word a vote on you if you are town. On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote: I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose. ##unvote ##vote moosygoosy Making sense? He quoted one post and said talk about this. I like Oat's post about "N00bking" looking townie since didn't stop his advice posting even when people stopped him - that makes a lot of sense. Bats and Geript bussing Moose? looks like the most logical conclusion I see at this time. ## Batsnacks / Geript / MoosyDoosy but that would be too ez. But not liking Batsnacks. Anyone have any questions or want to point out things I may have missed? | ||
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On June 12 2015 10:47 geript wrote: Kinda busy dog sitting. Was really sruprised when people didn't jump on that post at all. Like that's a post that mafia would usually be all over if that guy's town. It's so... indecisive... passive... unopinionated... blah. I've only skimmed but that was one of two posts that stuck out to me. Batsnacks weird post stuck out to me too. IDK what he's doing, pulling a chezinu? IDK. I couldn't figure out wtf he was trying to say. I'll look at it again later when I get a full read in, but his post was at least interesting even if it is probably NAI Just putting my thoughts out - I think I'll re-read rexxar next. | ||
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On June 13 2015 00:10 ruXxar wrote: Wow moosy. I have to give you 5 stars for this read. It's like you're inside my head or something. I had goosebumps reading this since it was so spot on. You are absolutely right that my only exposure to mafia has been through watching the TI qualifiers hub, and later watching all stars mafia on youtube. I really wanted to emulate the dynamic of a live environment, and went in trying to actively counter some of the things i picked up that a mafia would do. From watching those live mafia games I learned that the number 1 trait of a mafia is to be silent. They would bide their time and look for arguments to bandwagon onto, often avoid getting into heated arguments if possible, and when attacked they would try to deflect onto another person. I admit I am very excited to go out playing my first mafia game, and overracted by claiming my role before day 1 post(I did not know that this was frowned upon). Another thing that I learned is that it doesn't matter if you are mafia or not, as long as you contribute to try solving the case, then it's good to keep people around just in case they are town, because then in the largest portion of games they would be a boon to you as a town. This is Rexxar's best post. The goosebumps part sounds so legitimate and would be extremely creative to fake from the posts he made earlier. Slight town read | ||
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On June 13 2015 02:19 MoosyDoosy wrote: Ok, let's get this straight. As I said multiple times before, I'm new to TL and online Mafia. Either way, I'll address your points. 1. You say geript is a good Mafia from previous games and he's too obvious here leading to the conclusion he's not Mafia. If that's the case, how would you expect me to know that? I've never played TL Mafia before and never played with geript so I wouldn't know. 2. All I know about boxerfred is from his post here where he said he couldn't play and from his lack of posts. I don't even know what games he was previously in. The only person I know is Trfel who goes on Bnet forums from time to time which is where I commonly post. 3. I don't see how "Go ahead and waste your vote" is weird. I'm clearly a town so I don't see why batsnacks would vote for me. 4. I already explained why I worded my first post in my first Mafia game in the way I did. I've obviously seen why that's a bad thing to do (Mafia will find a way to point it out and lynch me) so I'm obviously not going to do that in the future. Is there anything else? 1. I was not saying either way - but Geript is a good mafia player.Is he AFK or uninterested or mafia or both? That's what we're trying to figure out. If you have free time and would like, the TL Mafia Database has a listing of peoples games here and links. 2. I'll rephrase - Boxerfred posted a lot of newbie/dumb questions and skated on this for a few days until people got suspicious of him. It was a ruse. You have read the whole OP (first post) now right? You know what roles CAN be in the game? 3. You just said it again. "I'm clearly a town" - if you say it enough I'll start to believe it? People who keep saying lines like this irk me. "The Most Basic Form of Mind Control is Repetition" 4. Fair enough point, thank you. | ||
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On June 13 2015 03:12 WaveofShadow wrote: You wish you could get me lynched bbygrl. I like your 'everyone is town' list. Especially the part where you exclude me from it. And how he obviously hasn't read the whole thread. | ||
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On June 13 2015 05:37 Kickstart wrote: Damn I went back to sleep and slept forever. 2 replacements already whata game. Still think ruXxar is slightly scummy but several people think he isn't so that's that. + Show Spoiler + Sulfuris did come in and logic up his posts but that still leaves me baffled about his initial vote. If he is so concerned with the logic of his arguments and reads then how the hell did he make that post with that mindset. Seems like he did something scummy then tried to logic his way out. Seems the idea of a bats lynch is gathering steam. I actually thought his posting was weird but I have only played with him in 1 other game to go off of. I'll reread his filter at some point before EoD and see if I still get that impression. What makes you think he's slightly scummy? And if others think he's slight town (like myself, I pointed out his interesting goosebump post) what's it matter? Every one could say X is town and if I don't agree, I'm going to say it. "If you’re right and you know it, speak your mind. Speak your mind. Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is still the truth."-Ghandi | ||
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On June 13 2015 06:44 Trfel wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 12 2015 10:44 Oatsmaster wrote: I had a town lean on batsnacks due to the balance between his jokes and serious reads. Since then, batsnacks has been much more serious, and his jokes are few and far between, so this read isn't valid any more.Anyway Trfel, what makes bats town? On June 12 2015 10:51 Oatsmaster wrote: (bold added)NAI is a new thing lol. I kinda like ruxxar. It was really funny that he answered a question not directed at him asking why people shouldnt answer questions not directed at them. He doesnt do it intentionally to just create content IMO. So if he doesn't do it intentionally, then why is it towny? On June 12 2015 15:03 n00bKing wrote: This point about ruXxar continuing to press the lying issue is good. I guess I judged ruXxar too early.It's also worth noting that RuXx purposely furthered the conversation about Town players lying, AFTER he saw that some other players were reacting negatively to what he had said. If a Newbie scum player saw that what he had said was causing some raised eyebrows, he might clam up or change the subject, to get beyond the comment that had raised suspicion, and bury it. Instead, he challenges the people who expressed a contradictory viewpoint, which ensures that no readers who come along later will gloss over what he's said. You could try to say that he didn't realize it was a controversial statement when he first made it. But even after it was clear to him (based on the posts of other players) that it was a controversial statement, he stuck to it, and called more attention to it. Again, I feel like this is boldness you would seldom see from an inexperienced scum player. ##unvote On June 12 2015 16:35 Rels wrote: I really don't like this post at all. Posting without having read the thread is useless, the only thing it helps with is making it look like you're doing more work that you actually are, and it detracts from scumhunting. But making a useless post after the investigation has already started is pathetic.Hello everybody, GL HF! I'll read the thread now and comment on things. See you soon. On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote: Rels, what about ruXxar's post made you say this?Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent. On June 13 2015 01:10 WaveofShadow wrote: I have no idea why someone as experienced as WaveofShadow would share a potential association case while in the same post acknowledging that association cases are bad. Please explain.I can't decide now if I think geript and bats could be scum together for this horribleness. Association cases = bad but I can't help it and I THINK it's probably not the case. One of them at least for sure though. Why does calling out the player with only one post, who needs to get replaced, make someone town? Especially because, if you are town, he called out the easiest player to pick on who happens to be confirmed town. I really don't like batsnacks' response to the pressure on him. Batsnacks doesn't normally react like this, he's fine under pressure. In my first game playing with him, I tunneled him for basically all of Day 1 and Night 1, and he made a post telling people to stop arguing about useless things and read the case I had posted on him. I need to read some filters, but batsnacks seems very active, concerned about his safety, but not providing actual content. Third party. Let me rephrase this since I see what you are saying but I didn't type that properly. Rels made a case on my replacement slot that he believed in, and caught Plants in a "lie" - I saw him a slight town read for believing in his case. I meant more of (even if he is calling out my replacement slot). | ||
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On June 13 2015 07:19 Rels wrote: Oh hey good timing. I really disagree on the easy target. I have no idea who is mafia between geript bat and moosy, if any. On the other hand the entrance post of plants was and still is super bad. And I don't care for IRL wifom, a lie is a lie. So it sounds like you have been thru the thread. Any other thoughts? | ||
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Wave Trfel n00bKing Damdred Oats Probably wouldn't lynch today - Rels Kickstart Could Lynch - Batsnacks Geript MoosyDoosy Sulfurus RuXxar | ||
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On June 13 2015 08:40 Rels wrote: Alright scott I don't see your posts as scummy. Could you comment on this list post of yours: Could you please add justifications for the "could lynch" nominees ? Batsnacks - Been on the wagon most of the day and play is different then his normal town. His last few posts have been slightly better though so that's why I haven't voted him yet. Geript - Hasn't taken much of a stance - his list post wasn't that great - He's a good mafia player but really has a IDGAF mode this game so far. MoosyDoosy - pretty down the line middle - the "Sulfurus is the easiest to make a case" post, "wishy-washy" Sulfurus - has like four posts - unsure if he's legit AFK/IRL or just shitting the bed - and none of them were that great, and quick start vote. Probably leaning the most ATM RuXxar-3/4's of his thread is about liars and and the rest is pretty blah - Hopefully he'll show up tonight. | ||
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On June 13 2015 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote: K stuff I remember while reading earlier: Geript might not be scum. At the very least I give him more time. Especially since nobody seems to want to comment on what I've brought and those who have have been completely noncomittal. Givin' me the jibblies. ##unvote: Geript Trfel's posting looked pretty good at first glance. Liked the stuff he picked up on Rels. I want to do a once-over just to see any surface similarities between here and the last game I played with him (I think I was scum in that one) and see if anything jumps out at me either meta- or otherwise. Sulf still looks like ass balls. Probably primary lynch for me right now. ##Vote: Sulfurus Like what IS this? Reiteration of stuff I already said, townreading me for no explained reason, opportunistic bats vote after being completely noncomittal about it earlier, and also while possibly attempting to pocket noob? I dunno somebody mentioned that Sulfurus' meta is to post kinda shitty but I can honestly say I don't care about that here. Scummy posting is scummy. Hated this post because it reads as though batsnacks was simply aiming for this the entire time. Wouldn't vote him because of it but ugh city. Yuuuppppp Loving Moosy for this really. For the record I believe 'wishy-washy' on its own is a horrible scumtell. It's completely circumstantial and Moosy's play is pretty consistent although his continued attempts to purposefully draw attention to how inexperienced he is is starting to annoy me. We get it Moose, you're new. Just play the game now. The pressure batsnacks is under brought Rels to the surface. I don't know if anything more needs to be said on him consider how opportunistic his vote was even after pressure seemed to be dying down a little, but now he looks like scum who got caught with his pants slightly down and is being forced to stick to his guns while at the same time looking for a way to get off a possible town wagon. That is a godawful post ladies and gents. Keep an eye on this one. Finally, Scott I want to know who your top lynch is. I had it about a page back when Rels ask that Sulf is my top lynch at this time, and I think it's time to vote. | ||
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On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote: To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't). Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels. Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx). So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game. ##Vote: Batsnacks So you have a couple townreads and read bats scum, is that correct? Bats is showing himself a little more townie lately, would you agree or no? Who would you like to lynch besides Bats? | ||
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On June 13 2015 14:12 Trfel wrote: What about batsnacks' posting is towny? Self-meta? A lot of his posting recently- for an example On June 13 2015 07:37 batsnacks wrote: Yes he did Trfel makes awesome cases. Also I made that list before I started reading filters. If you follow the thread you can verify that. Do you think this is just a pocket or he is mafia? | ||
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